Mafia PokéMafia : a small game of mafia - Town Wins

[Heyden]

I don't even have my role yet lol.

I voted Dragon over Zelda because at least Zelda's somewhat participating, and I don't think there's anything that necessarily stuck out to me when I skimmed this morning, so it was just a matter of picking between one of the useless people. Looking at Zelda's post filter I highly doubt she'll flip scum, her posts seems too genuine imo.

 

[Geoni]

Dad, why'd you end up revoting Zelda btw?

Regardless, still approaching him with caution, I think of it as Town indicative of him if Zelda ends up flipping town because the situation was either 1. a reaction test or 2. If Zelda was town, he only needed to actually convince one person to switch in order for Zelda to fall behind NL

If Zelda is scum, I think my PoE goes Heyden, Dragon, Dad. I don't think I really see scum Dad doing this, purely because of how weird the strat seems (backing off his primary lynch target in favor of NL), but it's a possibility because he actually has more to gain than what would appear at first evaluation if he actually were to cause an NL. He'd have got a good impression from me with respect to Zelda, reduced our number of MLs to one without letting information out from the lynch, and saved his teammate

Honestly I could still have argued for no lynch because circumstance can override mechanics. To be more clear, if I was confident enough I could say I would be willing to play a game with a risk of having one less lynch for the chances of that one lynch being more accurate because I gave everyone more time to post and unravel but I have to be real: I don't have faith in these newbies to finally start playing the game seriously and so that sacrifice of a Lynch isn't likely to be worth it. That and yeah, roleblocker would have been able to have a chance at making a game with mylo work with the 50% chance that a correct Lynch kills what would have been a strongman if we'd gone with watcher/roleblocker. But no, we didn't go with watcher/roleblocker because nobody wanted to consider that I might have been right that this playerlist would churn out ****ty wagonomics and that this kind of situation makes godfather legitimately dangerous should an inspect townresult them. I mean yeah you can argue on stats that I'm wrong in saying this but behavioral probability > statistical probability for me.

So basically I am forced to resolve myself to a world of ****ty wagonomics because I failed to be more convincing to the newbs than Dolby and so a Zelda lynch it is.

 

[Heyden]

I don't see how cop/watcher is useful considering the ninja will be carrying out all the kills, rendering the godfather untraceable by either the watcher or cop until the ninja dies. The ninja is also immune to watches, so only the cop can detect him.

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Can't do anything about it now though

 

[Dolby]

I don't see how cop/watcher is useful considering the ninja will be carrying out all the kills, rendering the godfather untraceable by either the watcher or cop until the ninja dies. The ninja is also immune to watches, so only the cop can detect him.

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Can't do anything about it now though

Do you even understand the setup

Maf get one pr, not two

 

[Geoni]

I don't even have my role yet lol.

I voted Dragon over Zelda because at least Zelda's somewhat participating, and I don't think there's anything that necessarily stuck out to me when I skimmed this morning, so it was just a matter of picking between one of the useless people. Looking at Zelda's post filter I highly doubt she'll flip scum, her posts seems too genuine imo.

Bookmark for future reference that because Heyden didn't have his role yet, Heyden voting Dragonboy should not be considered when it comes to m/m non-alignment reads with Heyden/Dragonboy.

 

[Dolby]

I really hope to god that Zelda flips maf but the timing with everything this game is so scoffed

Role distribution happened in such a way that we had no chance of doing a cfd

Apparently Heyden doesn't have his role so he's stuck doing things delibrately non-AI

 

[toadsworthy]

sorry for the lateness

ZeldaJune has been lynched! Here is her rolepm

You have until 7 pm EST to send night 1 actions

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ZeldaJune you get one courtesy post to talk, but don't game break. Thank you so much for playing

 

[Geoni]

Do you even understand the setup

Maf get one pr, not two

See if Heyden had gotten his PM on time I could have called this a townslip but I can't. Thanks host.

 

[Hyrule_Crossing]

sorry for the lateness

ZeldaJune has been lynched! Here is her rolepm

You have until 7 pm EST to send night 1 actions

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ZeldaJune you get one courtesy post to talk, but don't game break. Thank you so much for playing

I honestly saw that coming. It was fun, Zelda! Seya next time!

 

[Dolby]

I honestly saw that coming. It was fun, Zelda! Seya next time!

I mean

She was your top scum read

 

[Geoni]

Hshhdjd it turns out that my EoD gut was right about Zelda town feels and that this would be a dadv lynch.

I was, however, wrong in saying I had the coolest Pokemon cause Hydreigon is a beast.

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Toads please replace JT with Punchy D:

 

[PunchyTheCat]

@Toads can I replace JT

 

[Dolby]

Still though, why no lycnh over Jt or Dragon

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@Dad

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Heyden do you have your role yet

 

[Heyden]

Do you even understand the setup

Maf get one pr, not two

Oh. Well mafia obviously picked ninja then so I guess cop is quite useful. My bad. I think roleblocker or doctor in the game would've been a lot more useful though.

Heyden do you have your role yet

Yep.

 

[Geoni]

Still though, why no lycnh over Jt or Dragon

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@Dad

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Heyden do you have your role yet

Did I give the impression that I felt stronger about either of those two? Cause I didn't. I was banking on what I read as Zelda self monitoring, JT and Rhino and Dragon (to a limited extent) were showing a lack of it, and that this made her scummier than those three, particularly when I originally voted her.

Anyways thanks for asking me that right after the person I voted flipped town. Which of those two is your partner?

Gonna read back on why you didn't push JT more since you are asking me this.

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Oh. Well mafia obviously picked ninja then so I guess cop is quite useful. My bad. I think roleblocker or doctor in the game would've been a lot more useful though.

Yep.

Mafia wouldn't pick Ninja when there is no tracker. Ninja only bypasses tracker and is this a pointless mafia pr choice when cop and watcher won the votes.

 

[Heyden]

Mafia wouldn't pick Ninja when there is no tracker. Ninja only bypasses tracker and is this a pointless mafia pr choice when cop and watcher won the votes.

Ninja evades being watched/tracked, no?

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ninja

 

[Dolby]

Did I give the impression that I felt stronger about either of those two? Cause I didn't. I was banking on what I read as Zelda self monitoring, JT and Rhino and Dragon (to a limited extent) were showing a lack of it, and that this made her scummier than those three, particularly when I originally voted her.

AFTER you began to read Zelda as town. Why was no lynch a better option than either of them from your perspective? No lynch had practically no chance of passing, and being unwilling to compromise on a lynch is not a towntell. Why were the three of them worse than no lynching when lynching is better in general. I don't care that you found her scummy than the other three, I care about why you NL when those three are scummy in your mind than her since you began to view her as town. You yourself admitted that you felt that no lynch is not something you go for normally, and I'd rather have one of the three more murky nulls out if I was in your position

Yes, you argued that they would have more time to post, but are any of them going to post more? Honestly I doubt it, and it would have been easier to get the lynch off of Zelda anyway. Did you consider them more sus than Zelda anyway at the point in which you were trying to get the lynch off of her?

Ninja evades watcher

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Also, I stopped pushing Jt for pretty much the reasons that you yourself stated, he's been gone for to long

 

[Geoni]

AFTER you began to read Zelda as town. Why was no lynch a better option than either of them from your perspective? No lynch had practically no chance of passing, and being unwilling to compromise on a lynch is not a towntell. Why were the three of them worse than no lynching when lynching is better in general. I don't care that you found her scummy than the other three, I care about why you NL when those three are scummy in your mind than her since you began to view her as town. You yourself admitted that you felt that no lynch is not something you go for normally, and I'd rather have one of the three more murky nulls out if I was in your position

Yes, you argued that they would have more time to post, but are any of them going to post more? Honestly I doubt it, and it would have been easier to get the lynch off of Zelda anyway. Did you consider them more sus than Zelda anyway at the point in which you were trying to get the lynch off of her?

Ninja evades watcher

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Also, I stopped pushing Jt for pretty much the reasons that you yourself stated, he's been gone for to long

I didn't have the damn time to re-evaluate her against those murky nulls. I had 40 minutes, the first hour of my shift is one of the busiest, and people finally posting at EoD stirred my reads up and I had minimal time to re-evaluate them, so my thought process was straight up 'if I can't Lynch Dolby or no Lynch all I can do is vote Zelda because the wagonomics with her felt stronger than they were with JT and dragon.

 

[Dolby]

I didn't have the damn time to re-evaluate her against those murky nulls. I had 40 minutes, the first hour of my shift is one of the busiest, and people finally posting at EoD stirred my reads up and I had minimal time to re-evaluate them, so my thought process was straight up 'if I can't Lynch Dolby or no Lynch all I can do is vote Zelda because the wagonomics with her felt stronger than they were with JT and dragon.

Fair enough on not having enough time, but there is no world in which the wagonomics DIDNT support Zelda, you even acknowledged this principle at one point, that she had significant anti-aligns. The only world in which Zelda scum made sense was if she had been abandoned or bussed, and NONE of the players on her, besides you and me, were capable of bussing. JT and Dragon, both barely discussed and each only having one vote, had wagonomics profiles more indicitive of being maf than Zelda with half the game on her, and half the other half discussing her as a suspicion

How the **** did you go from a "cautious townlean" to "I want him dead as my first choice" on me in about 16 hours

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At the end of this, me as a first choice feels extremely off and JT and Dragon having better wagonomics profiles is straight up wrong. I know that I said that Dad voting NL earlier seemed like potentially towny, but if he truly wanted the lynch off of Zelda, he would have compromised on a candidate who already had votes on them. He says that the votes made JT and Dragon look better, I say bull****

And don't say you didn't come to TL her because you did

I hate doing this but the shot in the dark feels likely to miss. Lets NO LYNCH and only lose one townie by day 2 and not 1.

I'd like to lynch Dolby with the information I have but nobody is even reading or responding to the reads I have made about him and just take his volume at face value so I don't think I can Chinese Fire Drill him in 15 minutes.

He prob meant 1 to be 2 there

I hate these ends of days

Dead Air Dead Villager

 

[Geoni]

Fair enough on not having enough time, but there is no world in which the wagonomics DIDNT support Zelda, you even acknowledged this principle at one point, that she had significant anti-aligns. The only world in which Zelda scum made sense was if she had been abandoned or bussed, and NONE of the players on her, besides you and me, were capable of bussing. JT and Dragon, both barely discussed and each only having one vote, had wagonomics profiles more indicitive of being maf than Zelda with half the game on her, and half the other half discussing her as a suspicion

How the **** did you go from a "cautious townlean" to "I want him dead as my first choice" on me in about 16 hours

And did you think about the wagonomics that way at the time? Your vote was on Zelda too. I still need to take the time to actually perform some legit wagonomics but I said that the wagonomics felt ****ty and meant it. In all honesty I was thinking about you the most when it came to Zelda having the most promising wagonomics because that was a strong focus (tunnel...kinda, admittedly) before I went to bed but I will see if I was wrong in a few when I actually get cracking on them but yeah that's where I was under that time crunch.

Also...only 16 hours? It probably has to do with me town leaning you for the objective pr scenario solving that reminded me of the Dethy and vaguely other games because the focus wasn't on players but once day 1 began it was time for you to really start reading players and not the scenarios and I didn't find some of your reads agreeable, thus starting an exchange of walls during which you spiralled all the way down to my #1 slot due to the many points covered in said walls. What about this progression on you makes no sense?

Might as well answer that later because I need to focus on aforementioned wagonomics after my patrol.