Mafia PokéMafia : a small game of mafia - Town Wins

[toadsworthy]

I'm looking for ways to improve gameplay especially for the newer players... any thoughts? I'm thinking about just coaching at the same time, so the newbies don't feel alone.

 

[toadsworthy]

lol i just decided on the set-up.... so know that some changes are coming... look for initial post to explain everything

 

[toadsworthy]

Everyone should've gotten their role PM! except zelda june.... your inbox was full

 

[Antonio]

lets start

 

[toadsworthy]

POKEMAFIA ROLES
GOTTA CHOOSE EM ALL

DAY 0​

This set-up starts on a day 0 where everyone votes on what two town roles will be added to the game. The options are

• Cop
• Tracker
• Watcher
• Roleblocker
• Doctor

The two roles with the most votes at the end of Day 0 – the next 24 hours - will be randomly assigned to two townies. Mafia players will also be voting on which role they want to add too.

• Strongman (evades all efforts to stop kills, roleblocker or doctor)
• Godfather
• Ninja (executes kills without being tracked)

Days are just gonna be 24 hours, this is a micro after all.

See the important notice on the OP, any questions please direct to me
Green is the question font color, blue is reserved for the host

 

[Dolby]

I haven't fully evaluated everything yet, on a work call in 10 minutes as I'm writing this, but there we shouldn't do tracker/watcher or rber/doctor

I personally feel that a cop would be kind of weak for us in this setup given mafia can select their own roles

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Ok, I can just listen and not really participate, that's good

Do we know what role the mafia choose?

Will tomorrow be D1 or N0?

I'm gonna assume we start D1 while writing this

I feel that watcher and doc kinda each perform the same function and that with only two mafia tracker is more powerful, so I don't want watcher/doctor as a combo. I substantially prefer watcher as an individual role over doc since doc has to save twice for it to have an effect on the number of mislynches we have this game (D1 7v2, N1 6v2, D2 5v2, N2 4v2, D3 3v2, one doc save just gives us a chance to NL). This would give us an extra chance with our invest roles the next night, but if watcher is successful with their watch it gives us a 1 for 1 trade, and at Lylo a 50/50 at worst where we would have a probably 20-33% chance of winning

Bascially, watcher is a better role than doc, performs the same function in some ways and is better in others, and doc has to save twice to be effective in meaningfully extending the game(which would mean that they'd probably need a greater than 50% heal rate). Unless someone can come up with a good counterargument I really don't see why doc should be included in our team (and watcher/doc I really don't feel is a good idea)


Left doc off this list for the most part given that I think it's objectively worse here than watcher, I really think that it's bad for this situation with 9 players since it won't get us a scum lynch or an extra mislynch like watcher can
cop/watcher
cop/tracker
cop/rber
Tracker/watcher-entirely counteracted by ninja
Tracker/Rber
Watcher/rber
watcher/doc-(I really think this is wasted potential)

Cop and tracker both act the same way, as TI roles. Tracker does have the ability to find the second town PR, but I think that I prefer to have a cop over a tracker, but only marginally, since tracker is really useless until the ninja dies if it's selected except maybe in proving a sus second PR, but that's only really useful to do so at LYLO. Roleblocker is damn powerful, I'll just say that. I'll make another post looking into which of these three is best

 

[Hyrule_Crossing]

I’m new to mafia. But I read the rules on how it’s works. So I know how to play, just sorry if I ask a lot of questions XD

Anyways, I personally think that a cop and a doctor would be nice to have in the game.

Is this a beginner kind of game? Or is it like a PROFESSIONAL game?

am I supposed to make a huge paragraph like Dolby?

 

[Dolby]

am I supposed to make a huge paragraph like Dolby?

(No but I'd recommend it)

 

[toadsworthy]

Do we know what role the mafia choose?

Will tomorrow be D1 or N0?

No
D1

Is this a beginner kind of game? Or is it like a PROFESSIONAL game?

am I supposed to make a huge paragraph like Dolby?

Any game is a beginner game at this point
You don't have to play like others, you just do you. Talk about what you think is going on in the game and what not.


So like i said, I'm on vacation this week... meaning i'll be drunk a lot of the time. If things are a little off, just be mindful

 

[Dolby]

cop/watcher-maf chooses gf or ninja
cop/tracker-see above
cop/rber-maf chooses gf or strongarm
Tracker/Rber-ninja strongarm
Watcher/rber-see above

At the end of the day, I don't see tracker as being especially valuable for us compared to other roles. Scum can just pass the kill to the less sussed member between them if they don't choose ninja, giving them more control over if they get caught when they have two members and decreasing town's chances of getting scum, so at the end of the day I think tracker is slightly weaker than cop and rber(rber can at least block a kill I guess). I also don't see the ability to confirm a sus looking second PR as being powerful in anyway because that'd only be useful in a LYLO situation where mafia are claiming a town PR.

I really like cop/watcher actually. Pretty much everyone of these has a 50% chance of making a role useless depending on which scum dies first. I don't really consider cop/(tracker/rber) as strong since I think picking GF is an easy choice for mafia there. Yeah, the two are powerful roles in the situation where mafia pick GF, but when there's one mafia that's NOT a PR, cop, rber, and tracker are all equally powerful (rber may in fact be more powerful but that doesn't really matter since if they're correct it's 50/50 if scum somehow play the situation correctly(correctly would be luckily here))

Also, rber>Tracker. Blocking a kill doesn't really matter if the long run, but I view the two as essentially the same regardless of the roles that scum picks, and I prefer a maybe 7% chance of getting two successful blocks in the game. Since they both kinda act in the same way, I'm gonna remove tracker/rber from my preferred combo list. If someone doesn't counter me, I'm also removing cop/tracker

With this, I think that cop/watcher is the best combo for us

 

[Hyrule_Crossing]

No
D1


Any game is a beginner game at this point
You don't have to play like others, you just do you. Talk about what you think is going on in the game and what not.


So like i said, I'm on vacation this week... meaning i'll be drunk a lot of the time. If things are a little off, just be mindful

Ok good, cause I usually make shorter sentences like this one lol.

Also, that’s fine lol.

 

[Dolby]

Well, we have such telling content lol

Still think cop/watcher is best unless we want to go double pseudo-TI

Hyrule is the only one who's posted and I guess I'm slight TL on them. Cop/Doc suggestion from a noob looks really good (even though watcher is better) because it's the natural reaction, and I like their tone

 

[Antonio]

What is the difference between tracker or watcher?

 

[Dolby]

What is the difference between tracker or watcher?

Tracker sees who a person visits. Watcher sees who visits a person

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Dolby
Dad
Hyrule_Crossing
Rhino
Antonio
Bianca
jtheburger
dragonboy
ZeldaJune

Petition to make at least D1 48 hours rather than 24. Given that I'm the only one who's made a post longer than 2 lines thus far I feel this is necessary

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gdi I messed these all up with the wrong thread link

Dolby
Dad
Hyrule_Crossing
Rhino
Antonio
Bianca
jtheburger
dragonboy
ZeldaJune

Toads use these ones

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Whoever's lurking on invisible identify yourself

 

[Biancasbotique]

I like cop/roleblocker. I still don't quite get tracker/watcher..although watcher is like a cop so if I have to choose, i would go for a tracker. But then again, I like roleblocker more which can help tremendously.

 

[Dolby]

Bianca, justify cop/rber from your pov pls

I'm starved for content already give me anything

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I like cop/roleblocker. I still don't quite get tracker/watcher..although watcher is like a cop so if I have to choose, i would go for a tracker. But then again, I like roleblocker more which can help tremendously.

In frame of reference to what set of ideas are you talking about

What do you think of my justification for cop/watcher

And how tf does watcher act like a cop or is that a typo

 

[Dolby]

Dad please get in here

This is demoralizing already

At least justify your votes

Or actually vote

 

[Geoni]

Hey, checking in. Can we not be classic and just vote for Cop/Doc?

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Eh, right, they'll go for Godfather anyways.

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With Godfather being the obvious choice I kind of want to go with either Tracker/Doctor or Tracker/Roleblocker and I think in this playerlist I'd rather have a doctor than a roleblocker because I can see either very well placed bluesnipes or very lurky-play enabled by volumekilling the active/questioning types depending on who in this list is mafia.

So right now I want Tracker/Doctor.

 

[Geoni]

cop/watcher-maf chooses gf or ninja
cop/tracker-see above
cop/rber-maf chooses gf or strongarm
Tracker/Rber-ninja strongarm
Watcher/rber-see above

At the end of the day, I don't see tracker as being especially valuable for us compared to other roles. Scum can just pass the kill to the less sussed member between them if they don't choose ninja, giving them more control over if they get caught when they have two members and decreasing town's chances of getting scum, so at the end of the day I think tracker is slightly weaker than cop and rber(rber can at least block a kill I guess). I also don't see the ability to confirm a sus looking second PR as being powerful in anyway because that'd only be useful in a LYLO situation where mafia are claiming a town PR.

I really like cop/watcher actually. Pretty much everyone of these has a 50% chance of making a role useless depending on which scum dies first. I don't really consider cop/(tracker/rber) as strong since I think picking GF is an easy choice for mafia there. Yeah, the two are powerful roles in the situation where mafia pick GF, but when there's one mafia that's NOT a PR, cop, rber, and tracker are all equally powerful (rber may in fact be more powerful but that doesn't really matter since if they're correct it's 50/50 if scum somehow play the situation correctly(correctly would be luckily here))

Also, rber>Tracker. Blocking a kill doesn't really matter if the long run, but I view the two as essentially the same regardless of the roles that scum picks, and I prefer a maybe 7% chance of getting two successful blocks in the game. Since they both kinda act in the same way, I'm gonna remove tracker/rber from my preferred combo list. If someone doesn't counter me, I'm also removing cop/tracker

With this, I think that cop/watcher is the best combo for us

Dolby why would mafia choose ninja with cop/watcher? Cop/Tracker, yes, but cop/watcher, no. Mafia just...straight up chooses GF with a cop in play, period. Also don't forget that Cop/RB and Cop/Doc are going to produce the same likelihood of there being either a GF or strongarm (with GF still having the edge imo).

This is kinda mindboggling me because I've never really had the ability to vote on what PRs will be in a game that I myself will be playing and I'm thinking about all the possibilities the way you are here but honestly in what world are you seeing ninja being chosen over the other two? The other two choices, strongman and godfather, evade the most town powers. I feel like cop/watcher is the safest option now that I've read your breakdown of our options but reading it reminded me that roleblocker is super useful in a situation where we can actually lynch strongarm first if that's chosen instead of GF (which is also a likelihood if the mafia pair analyze things through...basically this very breakdown you just provided them). And GF won't be chosen if Cop isn't chosen. Therefore upon further thought I think Watcher/Roleblocker is better than Tracker/Doctor if I also consider the Ninja possibility if I somehow convinced everyone to go with Tracker/Doctor.

I'll reluctantly just...agree that tracker is least useful as much as I like it as an option instead of Cop, because it has more counters in either strongarm or ninja.

I'm kinda groggy so if there's something in Watcher/Roleblocker that I'm not thinking about let me know.

I wanna counter your safe option with the roleblocker/watcher option. I feel like there's also some safety in this combination in that if you watch somebody and both roleblocker and a strongarm kill were on them it's obvious which is which come claims and that very specific incidence can be downright gamesolving but also...

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JT and Rhino please read what Dolby has posted before voting Cop-Tracker

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JT and Rhino please read what Dolby has posted before voting Cop-Tracker

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Basically what I'm saying here is I'd rather play against a Strongarm than play against a Godfather because if a Godfather gets cop'd this game is easier to win than if one of town's PRs isn't useful for one night because the Strongarm got lucky/is a smart person in general. Also I hate the idea of a Godfather in a playerlist with a lot of people who can hide behind newbie excuses because a lot are new here.

 

[Biancasbotique]

Why would you even have this day 0 set up with new people around and voting on the roles I swear!! Tbh, I don't know what to pick. I read Dolby's justifications about having a cop so great. Now I see why you are confused with me saying watcher is like a cop, tracker is more like a cop (my typo). Tracker can see who the person visited,...so I am rooting for watcher more. However, I also saw in your post that roleblocker is a powerful role and I agree. Roleblocker can stop kills or actions by mafia.

I am fine actually with all the roles presented but tracker/watcher ugh! Those two roles are still confusing to me to this day, and in a sea of new players, why even give them the choice?

Anyhoo, there's my rant. I am still recuperating so if I am not making sense just don't mind me.