Mafia PokéMafia : a small game of mafia - Town Wins

[Dolby]

Tracker will see who a person visits, watcher sees who visits a person, it should be fairly easy to find what happened to them

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Watcher is not like cop, that?s what I said earlier. Tracker is like cop, br scum can just past the kill between them early stages which makes it impossible for tracker to catch scum until one of them is dead

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Same applies for rber, and blocking a single kill is net useless

 

[toadsworthy]

I'll make a post in a bit, I'm feeling sick

 

[Hyrule_Crossing]

Docs just hand down worse than watcher here

Well to a noob too mafia like me, it sounds interesting

 

[Dolby]

Well to a noob too mafia like me, it sounds interesting

If I had a dollar for everytime somebody did something because it sounded interesting or made things interesting and it backfired on them I'd be a wealthy man

Of the posts so far, I'm honestly drawing a blank. I can feel that Dad is floundering to put out content to but that's non-AI and I want to avoid tunneling each other for once for the sake of making reads. When the host has more content than most players it's really disheartening

I'd say that jtheburger/rhino and Dad/Antonio aren't likely teams at this point. Antonio and Bianca have both been underwhelming though and I would be far from surprised if one of them is scum. Heck, I wouldn't even be remarkably surprised if they were teammed honestly

Before I go into this, I think people are rusty and the lack of content isn't helping them, but many people have done something to draw my ire

I actually do have grievences with Antonio's behavior though and that's because literally all of his content has come from questioning Dad on things that he shouldn't have to explain. First of all, the "content" is bad, but it also looks like he's coming in with the mindset that he's gonna scumread Dad, which honestly, I don't like

Literally every single one of Bianca's posts is about her lack of understanding of Tracker/Watcher, which she SHOULD understand

I still kinda like Hyrule even though they're supporting a doc in our PRs because I really don't think that any mafia, even a noob, is going to make PR selection their hill to die on, on day zero no less

I also want to put Dad at slightest TL level for that reason as well, he could have just gone with my analysis but he's fighting it (even though he's wrong)

Come on people, where are the spicy reads

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The fact that I wracked my brain for a solid 10 minutes just because I felt that I should come up with something is bad enough

 

[Geoni]

Alright, work slowing down and I am catching up. Looks like it shouldn't be too much.

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I'm assuming D1 hasn't started since Toads is sick or are we to assume that because votes are locked at 7 Day 1 started then? I'd green question if I weren't on mobile.

Looks like setup will be Cop/Watcher.

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You

Let's be real, D1 mislynch means that I'm the go-to inspect for most of these players given you've been kinda underwhelming thus far. But besides that, there's no world in which mafia chooses strongarm over GF because we don't ever choose cop/doc since doc is weaker than watcher, and cop/rber leaves us with no TPs. I consider ninja to be really weak actually, and would much prefer to pick GF and hope it lands on me.



This is the exact fallacy tht Panda used in SU2 that still rages me to this day because she was somehow town that game. Towncleared isn't an applicable term here, and tbh, I would be hesitant to vote up a town inspected player D2, but no cop should be claiming to protect an inno unless maf PR is dead or it's LYLO

Rhino, post with anything. Why do you want a tracker? Who do you prefer me or Dad? Who's ideas do you prefer?

Why would a day 1 mislynch mean you would be the go-to inspect because I have been 'underwhelming'. If my content wasn't up to par with what is expected of me by then (and it isn't N1 yet anyways) why are you talking about yourself being the inspection here?

As for being underwhelming thus far, I am not only working a double shift but my father has been in the hospital because his kidneys were failing (got the stints in successfully though) so that alone could have been enough reason to back out ijs.

And when I say town clear I'm mostly just saying it as a means of forming a personal PoE, mostly a confidence term and I call true clarity a lock. Pointless to argue it further really, don't know what the Panda game was but it could have been the case there too. Not going to entertain a full discussion or argument about this point and continuing it anyways would be an attempt to establish yourself as leader because you're 'smarter about mafia'.

All in all I wasn't arguing that your point that the cop/watcher combo didn't have the most inspection potential I just made a valid argument about the dangers of GF in this player list and what so far is a concerning threadstate.

But I've resolved to playing a game with a GF in it so w/e, Watcher will be the true mvp here.

 

[Geoni]

We don't know who the mafia is picking as their roles so we can't 100% guarantee there is a godfather or not. Even so, this may be me without my glasses but who says the town picked roles will apply to mafia? Are you sure that the godfather will be a cop aswell or did i just miss read that?

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no wait, we do know the roles. I can't see, ****

Basically how Dolby answered it just after your post here Antonio. That and it's a confidence thing.

@Dolby: you seem to call this pressure, what was it supposed to be pressuring out of me? I'd say questioning more than pressure but wording arguments are boring, I'm moreso looking into this as it being used to justify a 'Antonio/Dad aren't m/m' read.

 

[Hyrule_Crossing]

If someone could tell me what godfather does maybe, just maybe I’ll change mine from Cop doc to Fodfather Cop or something else

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Godfather* ignore my typos

 

[Geoni]

Hyrule, votes are already locked.

This was a towny post in that it lacked attention to a voting deadline in a genuine manner.

 

[Dolby]

Basically how Dolby answered it just after your post here Antonio. That and it's a confidence thing.

@Dolby: you seem to call this pressure, what was it supposed to be pressuring out of me? I'd say questioning more than pressure but wording arguments are boring, I'm moreso looking into this as it being used to justify a 'Antonio/Dad aren't m/m' read.

Never said he was pressuring you, but the fact that he’s fixated on looking into you only isn’t something that I think he’s do as mafia. Antonio would probably look to latch onto a town to pocket or widen his ML pool as much as possible (like he tried to do in Korean War). Latching onto a teammate doesn’t do anything for him but distancing at best and I don’t think that’s his top priority. My biggest grievance is that it’s only been towards you and I kinda feel that it reflects the mindset that I said earlier, he came in expecting to read you a certain way and is trying to find a way to justify it

 

[Geoni]

Oh and to answer that, when Cop inspects Godfather they always come back as town even though they are mafia, meaning it can be used to be seen as likely being town if they haven't been overall that sus, also wastes a cop action.

 

[Dolby]

Hyrule, votes are already locked.

This was a towny post in that it lacked attention to a voting deadline in a genuine manner.

I agree and I’m just gonna add my thoughts to this

They don’t even know GF is a mafia role

And it feels genuine

 

[Geoni]

Just got one big Dolby post to look into so @Dolby give me half an hour and you'll be able to full respond.

 

[Antonio]

@Dolby I'm not really fixated on a particular person. I can barely see without my glasses so it's hard to read some things so me asking questions about what Dad said isn't scum reading (I don't have any reads at the moment since it's to early) but is me asking him some questions for clarification because it's hard to process (and easy to miss) **** without my glasses. I can barely read the posts without squinting.

I didn't even realize Toad stated the roles for mafia until after I made that post so I feel stupid about that.

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I need to go find my glasses....

 

[Geoni]

If I had a dollar for everytime somebody did something because it sounded interesting or made things interesting and it backfired on them I'd be a wealthy man

Of the posts so far, I'm honestly drawing a blank. I can feel that Dad is floundering to put out content to but that's non-AI and I want to avoid tunneling each other for once for the sake of making reads. When the host has more content than most players it's really disheartening

I'd say that jtheburger/rhino and Dad/Antonio aren't likely teams at this point. Antonio and Bianca have both been underwhelming though and I would be far from surprised if one of them is scum. Heck, I wouldn't even be remarkably surprised if they were teammed honestly

Before I go into this, I think people are rusty and the lack of content isn't helping them, but many people have done something to draw my ire

I actually do have grievences with Antonio's behavior though and that's because literally all of his content has come from questioning Dad on things that he shouldn't have to explain. First of all, the "content" is bad, but it also looks like he's coming in with the mindset that he's gonna scumread Dad, which honestly, I don't like

Literally every single one of Bianca's posts is about her lack of understanding of Tracker/Watcher, which she SHOULD understand

I still kinda like Hyrule even though they're supporting a doc in our PRs because I really don't think that any mafia, even a noob, is going to make PR selection their hill to die on, on day zero no less

I also want to put Dad at slightest TL level for that reason as well, he could have just gone with my analysis but he's fighting it (even though he's wrong)

Come on people, where are the spicy reads

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The fact that I wracked my brain for a solid 10 minutes just because I felt that I should come up with something is bad enough

I'm going to have to ask you why you're calling my content thus far 'floundering' and saying it's NAI in the same exact sentence. In saying that you're saying I'm struggling to produce content. Given you're as keen on meta as you are why doesn't that say something about me in one direction it the other? You yourself are saying you are drawing a blank based on posts so far but if anything I've had better focus on the players and what each is specifically doing whereas you've already put a lot of objective content out there about role choices and how what kind of games they'll set up. I think this is typical of townDolby though, it's similar to the the Dethy I won as mafia a little while back. I'm still not completely sane about you though, which is smart caution.

Onto that note on Bianca and Antonio, I see why you're drawing suspicious conclusions about them, and I have my own tonereads there that I'm considering, but what between their content is making you feel like you wouldn't be surprised if they are paired?

In regards to the bolded point you shouldn't be drawing a blank if so many things have drawn your ire.

I agree that Antonio has mostly been focused on me and as much as I see it as coming from a place of agreeing with your cop/watcher I would like to know what he thought of people who didn't quickly jump on your cop watcher wagon since it objectively had the most inspection potential.

IDK if Bianca has played a game with those roles yet so that's worth sanity checking, if I have the time I will call her out on it if I look back and see if she showed an understanding of the roles in a previous game. But what do you think about Bianca's progression on day 0, that aside?

Hyrule I think we agree on so I'll skip that point?

Aaaand you're calling me wrong. I just look beyond the stats and better consider how things play out based on who is playing and what content each person in the player list has provided so far. I wasn't wrong in wanting to avoid Godfather in exchange for losing a slight bit of inspection equity. That's just...what I wanted and why I fought you on it. *shrug*

I think that's about it for this post

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@Dolby I'm not really fixated on a particular person. I can barely see without my glasses so it's hard to read some things so me asking questions about what Dad said isn't scum reading (I don't have any reads at the moment since it's to early) but is me asking him some questions for clarification because it's hard to process (and easy to miss) **** without my glasses. I can barely read the posts without squinting.

I didn't even realize Toad stated the roles for mafia until after I made that post so I feel stupid about that.

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I need to go find my glasses....

You can see that we are suspecting you are fixated on a specific person without glasses but my preference on roleblocker > cop wasn't clear?

I'll double check the post for awareness though to be fair to you.

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We don't know who the mafia is picking as their roles so we can't 100% guarantee there is a godfather or not. Even so, this may be me without my glasses but who says the town picked roles will apply to mafia? Are you sure that the godfather will be a cop aswell or did i just miss read that?

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no wait, we do know the roles. I can't see, ****

Your first post after Toads made his D0 post was wanting to know what the difference is between tracker and watcher but you are later saying you didn't know mafia also chooses their role, did you just not fully read Toad's post? Just wanting to understand the approach here

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I wish I could notification prod on TBT in regards to dragon boy because he was active as of 7 this morning but apparently it's also his birthday. So despite visiting after the game kicked off I am null for now but a post requirement pressure would be appreciated.

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Hmm not seeing a Dolby/Rhino m/m because I think Rhino would be asking questions like 'what is d1' in the quicktopic and Dolby would be fully educating his partner in there if he is in a quicktopic.

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@Rhino - what are your thoughts on JT? You pointed out that odd ##mafia post in the voting thread, you voted cop/tracker, and he followed up by saying jk and voting cop-tracker as well. No posts in main thread on d0. What do you think about this?

 

[Geoni]

I still dont get what Watcher or Tracker does. Those two roles are so confusing to me, and I dont even try to understand it sorry.

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why is rune so positive that he will die?

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Is Evan scummy at all. He keeps saying his scummy self as a joke, but what if he is really serious about it...

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For some reason, because of Vanessa's death, I kinda want to clear toads of being sus because how could he as scum. I'd be surprised if toads is scum and he allowed Vanessa to die early.

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and yes btw @ Vanessa and Rune

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Let's lynch Farobi next?

From the Oregon game. I mean... nobody explained it to her here and she demonstrated no interest in figuring out the difference in a game where she flipped town but hey this is why you probably wanted to figure it out six months ago Bianca.

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This did nothing for my sanity smh.

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Out of all the new and low-content players JT and Zelda concern me the most. JT sheeped the person who questioned a weird post of his and hasn't said anything and Zelda sheeped Dolby's cop/watch and gave me what read like a deliberately typed answer about going along with Dolby's suggestion because he seemed experienced and having agreeable conclusions and that's only after I called her out to explain.

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Checking times and JT was last on at 8am and Zelda only two hours ago at 9pm.

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Also Zelda shows up in thread just after I call her out while Dolby has been kinda in and out so tinfoil partnership right there.

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Aaaand she's gone again.

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Oh and then there's that person on invisible. If you're in this game, any thoughts?

 

[Geoni]

I have looked at literally everything and now I'm resorting to just reacting to when people were last on and who is viewing the thread smh.

 

[Dolby]

I'm going to have to ask you why you're calling my content thus far 'floundering' and saying it's NAI in the same exact sentence. In saying that you're saying I'm struggling to produce content. Given you're as keen on meta as you are why doesn't that say something about me in one direction it the other? You yourself are saying you are drawing a blank based on posts so far but if anything I've had better focus on the players and what each is specifically doing whereas you've already put a lot of objective content out there about role choices and how what kind of games they'll set up.

I was saying that you were floundering in the same way I feel I am. We both want to produce accurate reads and no one is putting forward the content to do so (except Hyrule, kinda, but I'm comfortable TLing that). I've said before that I feel you struggle and are weaker as mafia, and really, I feel this is a situation where you struggle to put forward stuff as town due to the sheer lack of anything from other people. This wasn't intended to be a burn or diss or cause for suspicion, but a comment that I felt that it was impossible for us to play the game outside the PR discussion at that point

Onto that note on Bianca and Antonio, I see why you're drawing suspicious conclusions about them, and I have my own tonereads there that I'm considering, but what between their content is making you feel like you wouldn't be surprised if they are paired?

Eh, it's not so much that I think they're paired, but that they both could be mafia trying to blend in with the noobs

IDK if Bianca has played a game with those roles yet so that's worth sanity checking, if I have the time I will call her out on it if I look back and see if she showed an understanding of the roles in a previous game. But what do you think about Bianca's progression on day 0, that aside?

First of all, that effort into digging up Bianca's posts screams so town to me. (Though if you are scum you are definitetely sadistically enjoying seeing me sink into madness considering I'd be the only thread contributor)
Second of all, I don't really think that Bianca progresses outside of the PR roles debate, all she does is piggy back of me at one point and I don't like that

Aaaand you're calling me wrong. I just look beyond the stats and better consider how things play out based on who is playing and what content each person in the player list has provided so far. I wasn't wrong in wanting to avoid Godfather in exchange for losing a slight bit of inspection equity. That's just...what I wanted and why I fought you on it. *shrug*

I'd take that +17% chance of catching scum everyday of the weak

I really want to think that Dad is town here, one on a kinda emotional because that means I'm not alone here, but the amount of work he's doing to dig things up really feels like town him

 

[Biancasbotique]

I never really played meticulously looking at tracker or watcher (as I said, those roles are confusing to me) and I never really payed attention before on who had this trait before so I don't know the mechanics. But I have a feeling that toads might not allow both newbies to be scum (that would be painful) but then again, i dont know if toads is randomizing because I do randomize.

I don't think I have seen posts from other players. The one that participates of course is Dolby, Dad, Hyrule, Antonio. That would be something if this is a Dad/Dolby team up. This is the first time that i have not seen them clash in the beginning so I am sus of that. This is not typical of their interaction.

 

[Dolby]

I don't think I have seen posts from other players. The one that participates of course is Dolby, Dad, Hyrule, Antonio. That would be something if this is a Dad/Dolby team up. This is the first time that i have not seen them clash in the beginning so I am sus of that. This is not typical of their interaction.

First line is just weird

Bold, I think that I've demonstrated in the past that I can "clash" with a stronger teammate while similitaniously turning it into a referendum on our respective towniness through a proxy town v town lynch

And we honestly kinda have clashed tbh, he tried to lead a counter to my cop/watcher proposal

"The one that participates is Antonio"-Dad do you doubt me now lol

If you haven't seen posts from other players you should look for them

How are Antonio and Hyrule participating because I think both me and Dad have word counts this game greater than everyone else (exempting each other) combined?

Why has Antonio, who only recently put forward a substantial post, been contributing

 

[Biancasbotique]

Well I've seen a post from Antonio and from Hyrule and Dad and you so it might not be contributing but I see some posts. Maybe its because there are lots of newbies but I see posts from Hyrule and I think that was good. I haven't seen post from rhino i think that is longer than a line and so are the others.

But you guys know what i mean when you clash before.it was bordering on fighting but this is tame compared to what I've seen from you guys..

I do have a feeling that one of the scum has to be a veteran. I like to believe that toads is randomizing so I can accept the idea of both newbies as scum. But until then, I am sus of all the older players (Dad, Dolby and Antonio)..