Mafia PokéMafia : a small game of mafia - Town Wins

Pick anything but cop tbh. 2/6ish* chance it can actually do something N1 (*depends on lynch) and from that only like...15% chance it won't be the godfather. And a 15% chance it will and is used to falsely clear somebody. Take into account what I said about the playerlist and add in a pinch of my paranoia about what Dolby could do with predetermining the setup if he is mafia then you've got a recipe for a bad game.

I'm voting Watcher/Roleblocker and suggest others vote this as well.

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ZeldaJune why are you just sheeping the suggestion of the person who posted the most this game so far and not justifying your vote in here?

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Toads: Modkill people who don't make at least three posts per day.

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There are a number of brand new (for all I know) people in this game and a level of expected activity should be established imo.
 
I didn't say anything about what I voted for because I agreed with their reasons but didn't really have anything to add. This would also be my first game of Mafia but I've seen it played before and knows how it works but I haven't seen these roles before so I'm learning from reading everyone else's posts. Dolby seems to be really experienced and confident in his strategies, and I agree with his strategies.
 
Dolby why would mafia choose ninja with cop/watcher? Cop/Tracker, yes, but cop/watcher, no. Mafia just...straight up chooses GF with a cop in play, period. Also don't forget that Cop/RB and Cop/Doc are going to produce the same likelihood of there being either a GF or strongarm (with GF still having the edge imo).

I'm not going to go to deep into this because I consider it counterproductive for town if I do, but I just want to say that there are some situations where scum doesn't go for GF with cop in play at this moment that I didn't account for when writing my analysis posts (though they don't change the results of my calculus). But besides that, I see ninja giving a freedom to kill for mafia when they have watcher(example, cop finds mafia and claims), while with tracker their freedom to kill just straight up doesn't matter since they just pass between. Same thing happens with cop/RBer. I'm not gonna see whether I agree with you but that's what I was thinking at the time.

This is kinda mindboggling me because I've never really had the ability to vote on what PRs will be in a game that I myself will be playing and I'm thinking about all the possibilities the way you are here but honestly in what world are you seeing ninja being chosen over the other two? The other two choices, strongman and godfather, evade the most town powers. I feel like cop/watcher is the safest option now that I've read your breakdown of our options but reading it reminded me that roleblocker is super useful in a situation where we can actually lynch strongarm first if that's chosen instead of GF (which is also a likelihood if the mafia pair analyze things through...basically this very breakdown you just provided them). And GF won't be chosen if Cop isn't chosen. Therefore upon further thought I think Watcher/Roleblocker is better than Tracker/Doctor if I also consider the Ninja possibility if I somehow convinced everyone to go with Tracker/Doctor.

Well let's go down this

If we select watcher/rber that's a choice for mafia that they don't want to get into. In my previous posts I said that rber isn't going to give town an extra ml unless they block two scum in a row (unlikely as it probably requires back to back scum blocks). And with two scum to start off that's even less likely, since scum will pass the kill between who's less likely to be blocked if they don't choose strongarm. Rber acts like a cop in the scenario that goon is lynched first here, and it's only slightly more powerful. Now that I'm thinking more about it, that extra RB just plain isn't useful in general EXCEPT in the same manner as a cop, since getting the extra ML shouldn't matter, since once we get the extra ML we know the scum team anyway.

The problem with watcher/rber though is that cop/watcher has a higher chance of finding an mafia when there are two members, rber has essentially no chance of catching mafia, even if they do select ninja. And the perk of getting an extra ML if they successfully block twice is literally useless since we would have one by that point anyway. You pretty much said it yourself, GF is the perk for mafia that gives them an edge in cop/watcher because it's better, they have to think more in watcher/rber.

Also, if both mafia and psuedo-TI are on a person, one of the players is just bad in general, or trying to go for an out-play

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tbh, I'm slightly sus of rhino and jt (though I think that jt was bandwagoning on his buddy, which I considering non-AI (non alignment indicative)) for voting for tracker when I pretty much proved that in no circumstances is it a top-two role off that list

@DAD why not cop? why roleblocker?

I think that he presented his argument pretty well tbh in #59, though I disagree with it because the chance of an early game scum catch is pretty much 0 with rber, and as he said, probably 17% with cop. And the extra ML gained from two scum blocks is literally useless
 
If we select watcher/rber that's a choice for mafia that they don't want to get into.

Hello.

Also I never said that just because cop is in play means scum will automatically go for GF but they'd have to have a lot of balls not to because hiding and crossing your fingers that the low probability cop will actually work is a pretty safe play and why I bring up the playerlist: they'll go with what's safe and enables minimal effort in terms of scumhunting while blending in with the environment that I worry this playerlist will provide. I feel like you're ignoring the fact that a cop has a 50% chance of clearing a mafia and how that will relate to the inevitable volume of this game.

Anyways I want to prioritize watcher over cop anyways even though I think it'll end up being both of them, but eh I'm just staunchly in the camp of not wanting to deal with godfather in this game. Roleblocker is indeed better than both doctor and tracker as the alternative to cop. That's why I'm at. If I have to deal with GF then I have to deal with GF.

One last thought though: in a tracker/roleblocker scenario does roleblocking the ninja and then tracking them mean you nullify their power? I'm tired so I can't remember the order of priority there.

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where I'm at*

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I didn't say anything about what I voted for because I agreed with their reasons but didn't really have anything to add. This would also be my first game of Mafia but I've seen it played before and knows how it works but I haven't seen these roles before so I'm learning from reading everyone else's posts. Dolby seems to be really experienced and confident in his strategies, and I agree with his strategies.

If you read him as experienced then why aren't you also paranoid that he could be putting the effort in here to orchestrate the setup he wants as mafia? But if it's an agreement with the cop/watcher strategy, why do you agree?

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@DAD why not cop? why roleblocker?

See: me not wanting to deal with GF.

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Also my pokemon is probably cooler than all of yours.
 
Hello.

Also I never said that just because cop is in play means scum will automatically go for GF but they'd have to have a lot of balls not to because hiding and crossing your fingers that the low probability cop will actually work is a pretty safe play

Mafia just...straight up chooses GF with a cop in play, period.
#yourwordsnotmine

I feel like you're ignoring the fact that a cop has a 50% chance of clearing a mafia and how that will relate to the inevitable volume of this game.

I literally just took in the playerlist with this and mind, and it's you, me, Bianca, and Antonio. This could've been a noob game

I think that "Clear" is a strong word to use here. I think that we can beat it into their heads that once goon is dead, cop inspects mean nothing since maf goes for GF most of the time with cop/watcher. They should literally just go in with the mindset that inno reports mean nothing unless the mafia PR is dead, but they aren't obviously. Still think that it's more effective in catching mafia, but besides, RBer has the same risk to it to.

One last thought though: in a tracker/roleblocker scenario does roleblocking the ninja and then tracking them mean you nullify their power? I'm tired so I can't remember the order of priority there.

Roleblocking the ninja should see them going nowhere (ninja visited no one last night) but they'd still be caught because of roleblocker, and that's easy win, even in a 2v1 LYLO
 
#yourwordsnotmine



I literally just took in the playerlist with this and mind, and it's you, me, Bianca, and Antonio. This could've been a noob game

I think that "Clear" is a strong word to use here. I think that we can beat it into their heads that once goon is dead, cop inspects mean nothing since maf goes for GF most of the time with cop/watcher. They should literally just go in with the mindset that inno reports mean nothing unless the mafia PR is dead, but they aren't obviously. Still think that it's more effective in catching mafia, but besides, RBer has the same risk to it to.



Roleblocking the ninja should see them going nowhere (ninja visited no one last night) but they'd still be caught because of roleblocker, and that's easy win, even in a 2v1 LYLO

Okay maybe you would choose strongman over GF with a cop in play but is anyone else in this playerlist confident enough in their abilities to snipe cop and power through the game rather than go the safe route of GFing and trying to coast through on good acting?

It's true, they're not exactly cleared if scumhunting works on a GF but a lot of people might be hesitant to vote a towncleared GF on D2 so that's good leverage in and of itself given no huge tells were spilled.

Anyways see ya'll on D1, going to bed.

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Also I see you browsing Rhino, any thoughts?

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I've seen you twice, actually*

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Also Rhino/JT not m/m based on post #5 in the voting thread.
 
Okay maybe you would choose strongman over GF with a cop in play but is anyone else in this playerlist confident enough in their abilities to snipe cop and power through the game rather than go the safe route of GFing and trying to coast through on good acting?

You

Let's be real, D1 mislynch means that I'm the go-to inspect for most of these players given you've been kinda underwhelming thus far. But besides that, there's no world in which mafia chooses strongarm over GF because we don't ever choose cop/doc since doc is weaker than watcher, and cop/rber leaves us with no TPs. I consider ninja to be really weak actually, and would much prefer to pick GF and hope it lands on me.

It's true, they're not exactly cleared if scumhunting works on a GF but a lot of people might be hesitant to vote a towncleared GF on D2 so that's good leverage in and of itself given no huge tells were spilled.

Anyways see ya'll on D1, going to bed.

This is the exact fallacy tht Panda used in SU2 that still rages me to this day because she was somehow town that game. Towncleared isn't an applicable term here, and tbh, I would be hesitant to vote up a town inspected player D2, but no cop should be claiming to protect an inno unless maf PR is dead or it's LYLO

Rhino, post with anything. Why do you want a tracker? Who do you prefer me or Dad? Who's ideas do you prefer?
 
Because I voted before ya'll said that after I voted. After what you said, I kinda changed my mind. I thought that I was unable to change vote.
 
Because I voted before ya'll said that after I voted. After what you said, I kinda changed my mind. I thought that I was unable to change vote.

Just ##unvote for tracker if you think it's a bad idea

But I did post about b4 though

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Because I voted before ya'll said that after I voted. After what you said, I kinda changed my mind. I thought that I was unable to change vote.

Just ##unvote for tracker if you think it's a bad idea

But I did post about b4 though
 
Basically what I'm saying here is I'd rather play against a Strongarm than play against a Godfather because if a Godfather gets cop'd this game is easier to win than if one of town's PRs isn't useful for one night because the Strongarm got lucky/is a smart person in general. Also I hate the idea of a Godfather in a playerlist with a lot of people who can hide behind newbie excuses because a lot are new here.

We don't know who the mafia is picking as their roles so we can't 100% guarantee there is a godfather or not. Even so, this may be me without my glasses but who says the town picked roles will apply to mafia? Are you sure that the godfather will be a cop aswell or did i just miss read that?

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no wait, we do know the roles. I can't see, ****
 
We don't know who the mafia is picking as their roles so we can't 100% guarantee there is a godfather or not. Even so, this may be me without my glasses but who says the town picked roles will apply to mafia? Are you sure that the godfather will be a cop aswell or did i just miss read that?

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no wait, we do know the roles. I can't see, ****

Maf's gonna pick based off of what we pick

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Don't really see Antonio/Dad, this is his second post, both of which have been putting pressure on Dad
 
Honostly I still think doc healer would be interesting, but. That’s just my opinion.

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Doc / Cop*
 
okay..it i am correct....

Tracker at the end of the night will target a player and find out if that player used a night action without knowing what that action is?

and

Watcher is will target a player and find out who used a night action on that player and again not knowing what action was used.

Am I correct?

so how is tracker not like a cop or something or is it like a cop? i can see why there should be no cop/tracker because it is redundant and i can see cop/watcher logic

however,

I think roleblocker is still a powerful role that with proper application is beneficial to town.
 
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