Mafia Resident Evil Mafia - Game Thread [Endgame- Mafia Wins]
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Yep, i got it! At 9:18 lol....thought yall were nuts!!
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No idea. I will go thru all your questions, but type sliw and always behind, so gimme a minute (or several) if you dont mind?
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Just because you deem somebody not worthy to pressure doesn't mean the person shouldn't be pressured. Their behavior was anti-town, I simply attempted to pressure them in hopes on figuring them out. Of course, nothing that they did really changed my mind on the matter. Plus, if I wanted to buss them I wouldn't actively encourage them to do something with the actual thread, seems a bit too obvious.
And no, I haven't been as aggressive as I usually am but it usually shows later on past day 1. Currently two things do stick out for me, I'll elaborate in a few seconds.
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I'm sorry but if you have read the thread a "couple times" through the night, why didn't you have any time to explain your reads? It sounds like you had more than enough time to provide even the smallest bit of explanation for your reads but didn't.
I also find it extremely odd that both you and shellbell both came up with a suspicion on me based on the idea that I would openly attempt to buss ghost even though I choose no vote instead of ghost. I also find it extremely odd that both of you shared these similar perspectives less than a minute apart from one another, almost like it was planned between the both of you. If it was a merely coincidence, it's would be an extremely odd one.
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I'll start with these.
- Me repeating my record of bad susses- is because after 1 good vote last game (on ghost who flipped wolf), I was nk d1. I then FIRMLY believed I knew who other maf was- then they flipped town. Same for next 4 people. I was convinced they were wolf, and as they died they flipped town and joined me in graveyard chat. Killed my confidence in my ability to spot a wolf. That was my first game as town. This is my second, so I have a lot of self doubt.
- I mentioned the antonio/volt thing in earlier post. Recap- volt active, volt under light sus and questioning, then antonio stepped in with a "pointless discussion" comment and the rqs, which then led to the spotlight being off volt, and volt did not come back for quite a while. I thought that was suspicious at the time. I think geoni said it was a noodle/foil thing. Since then, volt has cleared himself completely in my mind (right at eod but I'd already voted him instead of geoni by the time I realized he had to be clear), but antonio is only more sus.
- ghost outed himself (for me) in the last game by claiming to be a "newly mafia child". He immediately said it was an autocorrect and seemed verrry flustered with the mistake of saying he was mafia.
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I am explaining my reads right now. Gave my town/sus list, answering questions, then detailed reads after that. And btw, the thread was locked during the night, so I could not explain them until right now.
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yeah i was able to catch up today. a little busy tonight but I did want to get my initial thoughts out
From the EoD, Antonio came off as pretty towny. They didn't come off as opportunistic even when Ghost was being considered for vote and they had been sussing them. the confusion on Ghost's alignment and attempt to solve them seems genuine so I'm feeling good on that
Betsy's EoD was just all over the place and a little bit paranoid imo. I think the jumpiness dialed up even more when she started getting some suspicions on her
Reading back, Volt's early game looked fine. I didn't find anything particularly sus and found the posts decent enough. However, I found it really odd when Volt said this:
when they've been present since the start of the game. I'm not really sure how they didn't realize that it was EoD and kinda rubs me the wrong way. So overall null for now. Need to engage with them more for get a stronger read
I've liked your game so far. It seems to me that you've been making a strong effort to contribute, solve, and ask questions so I'll give you some town points for now. I'll need to engage with you more also
Blooming is basically just confirmed town at this point
Ghost is honestly hard to read. Most of his posts are either one liners or stating how much he sucks. Im not going to give this a pass just because he's young because I don't think its fair to underestimate people because of their age. I started playing maf when I was like 15 and I know other strong young players, so I want to give them the respect they deserve.
That said though, I don't think Ghost has read the OP because he asked for the cop to investigate him when a cop isn't a possible combination with the friendly neighbor.
Nothing moves me to see them as town, so they need to step it up and make a stronger effort
Everything potter has said so far has been really sus
So overall, blooming, antonio, and shellbell are my strongest town reads so far
lol well if you're susing us to be mafia together, i think that's a bit stupid and obvious
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But you had your reads ready to go near the beginning of day 2 but you couldn't have your explanation ready? My point being, is that you had your opinions on who was sus and who was town ready to go but you didn't have your reasons why for these reasons ready to go.
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they still go through usually if its a role block or protect. blooming is an unCCd PR claim, protecting her would make the most sense. but Betsy claimed that she received the message from blooming (meaning Blooming wasn't targeted), so I'm not really sure who geoni would've protected
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it could also be possible that Blooming indeed was targeted by Geoni in which case Betsy is just lying. Not sure on the benefit of that though
I'm guessing PRs dont get messages that they've been blocked?
And Blooming, can I ask why you sent your message to betsy in particular?
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Literally the same reasoning can be applied for even suggesting the idea of me openly bussing ghost since it's "too stupid and obvious". I did find you actually town-lean so it's weird that you would suggest I would do something so "stupid and obvious" right about the same time as Betsy.
Here's the posts where they both convey the similar ideas about me, both less than a minute apart.
to be more concise, I wasn't saying you were lying about feeling worried your suspicious were wrong, just that you found a way to sneak it in everywhere looks sus. i'm sorry you are doubting yourself though
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i think shell was trying to say that (if betsy and shell were teamed) it would be stupid and obvious for them to post their planned posts at the same time. i dont think they were calling you stupid
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I actually didn't see that Betsy confirmed it, I must have missed that. The jailkeeper does protect somebody from a night kill but I recall a previous game where somebody use the skill on themselves to protect from a night kill. Couldn't have Geoni protected themselves.
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I'm aware, I'm referring that the same reasoning can be applied to the sus idea that I would openly buss ghost.
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whats even the thought process behind this lul
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his edge is back lets go
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thats not rly AI for me. i'm always lost abt timeyeah i was able to catch up today. a little busy tonight but I did want to get my initial thoughts out
From the EoD, Antonio came off as pretty towny. They didn't come off as opportunistic even when Ghost was being considered for vote and they had been sussing them. the confusion on Ghost's alignment and attempt to solve them seems genuine so I'm feeling good on that
Betsy's EoD was just all over the place and a little bit paranoid imo. I think the jumpiness dialed up even more when she started getting some suspicions on her
Reading back, Volt's early game looked fine. I didn't find anything particularly sus and found the posts decent enough. However, I found it really odd when Volt said this:
when they've been present since the start of the game. I'm not really sure how they didn't realize that it was EoD and kinda rubs me the wrong way. So overall null for now. Need to engage with them more for get a stronger read
I've liked your game so far. It seems to me that you've been making a strong effort to contribute, solve, and ask questions so I'll give you some town points for now. I'll need to engage with you more also
Blooming is basically just confirmed town at this point
Ghost is honestly hard to read. Most of his posts are either one liners or stating how much he sucks. Im not going to give this a pass just because he's young because I don't think its fair to underestimate people because of their age. I started playing maf when I was like 15 and I know other strong young players, so I want to give them the respect they deserve.
That said though, I don't think Ghost has read the OP because he asked for the cop to investigate him when a cop isn't a possible combination with the friendly neighbor.
Nothing moves me to see them as town, so they need to step it up and make a stronger effort
Everything potter has said so far has been really sus
So overall, blooming, antonio, and shellbell are my strongest town reads so far
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i think she's confirming it here. im not sure what she's saying here if that isn't the case
jail keepers both protect and roleblock, so they usually can't target themselves because they'd just role block themselves which is paradoxical. ive actually never heard of jail keepers being able to protect themselves, that game sounds like a special case. was that here or somewhere else?
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it was probably the doctor role, I'm being stupidi think she's confirming it here. im not sure what she's saying here if that isn't the case
jail keepers both protect and roleblock, so they usually can't target themselves because they'd just role block themselves which is paradoxical. ive actually never heard of jail keepers being able to protect themselves, that game sounds like a special case. was that here or somewhere else?
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i didn't think you bussing him is stupid and obvious, it's just a weird move if it's the case. immediately after you stating you would buss your partner.
as for posting the same thoughts at the same time - it's beginning of when the thread opened, idk about betsy, but i had my long post typed out the night before as i went along what i missed. it's mere coincidence. like, who would plan to post these things at the same time?
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My reason for geoni was the illogical death tunnel he had on misty. An illogical geoni was a wolf geoni last game- and if he reads this from the graveyard- remember thunderdome!!! Thunderdome was a completely illogical move that ended up winning him the game as wolf. So to me, an illogical geoni had to be wolf. When there is a lot happening in short time, I get behind, but right when I saw geoni's jailkeeper claim, I switched my vote to volt.
What I found illogical ties in with why I have misty/dan as town read.
Geoni gave these main reasons for the death tunnel on misty/dan-(my opinion/responses to these reasons in parentheses).
- Misty's entry into the game/tone
(Did not seem much different to me than last game when misty was town)
- Misty spontaneously sussing b100ming/geoni early in the game
(Geoni said this felt off to him because it was like misty was really reaching for susses with not very good reasoning. What geoni did not include was that there was very little activity at that point in the game, and that Misty's susses were not spontaneous AT ALL. Volt had directly asked misty - gth (gun to head), who would you vote right now. Her susses were a RESPONSE to volts direct question, at a time of really low activity, very early in the game. Why did geoni say it was misty spontaneously sussing and leave out the volt question? I don't know but it made geoni more sus to me.)
- Misty's response to b100mings roleclaim.
(I had the same response, of noooo, don't expose a town pr! I believe i said keep it secret, keep it safe. Misty seemed very frustrated and pointed out that claiming a specific role gave info that mafia did not have before, and she did not seem too happy with it. Geoni stated the emotion/reaction could be faked. My opinion, that wasn't fake, and if misty were maf, why even interfere in what could be a big mistake for town. Because b100mings role was friendly neighbor, and your post saying not to be too hard on b100, I realized and posted that it actually could give us an advantage. When Antonio asked for specifics of b100mings role, and she answered, I posted something like noo, cmon yall. This is because there is a rule about role pms that if broken can result in modkill, and I wanted them to stop before that rule was broken. I also posted this in the thread. Around this point misty became inactive. With a replacement, I think the inactivity was a consequence of whatever caused her to need a replacement, and was not just her "ducking out" to escape "the heat".)
-Dan's entry/takeover for misty, coming in without a plan
(I gave a read on that for how it did not change my townread on misty, because the reasoning behind how dan came in could be either town OR sus. My #3 reason specifically stated that. Because there was no way to tell his motivations for coming in with no plan, I kept my townread based on all of the other town leaning activity from misty. Also regarding the numbered post of mine- I included BOTH town and sus possibilities. When geoni AND antonio quoted/questioned me on it, they BOTH left out the part where I said it could be suspicious. I even mentioned this in a response to antonio- the telephone game of people misquoting my reads is extremely frustrating.)
I believe that addresses the illogical death tunnel and my reasons for misty town read.
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