Mafia Resident Evil Mafia - Game Thread [Endgame- Mafia Wins]

[voltairenism]

also now we are playing a mountainous thats nice im sure thats how you envisioned this ness

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lol well if you're susing us to be mafia together, i think that's a bit stupid and obvious

honestly idk if antonio can replicate this as mafia but antonio's tinfoil is something I always see him do as town

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honestly im having a hard time reading betsy bc at the game we were [supposed to be] partners she was very clean and calculating iirc

 

[Antonio]

i didn't think you bussing him is stupid and obvious, it's just a weird move if it's the case. immediately after you stating you would buss your partner.
as for posting the same thoughts at the same time - it's beginning of when the thread opened, idk about betsy, but i had my long post typed out the night before as i went along what i missed. it's mere coincidence. like, who would plan to post these things at the same time?

I'm not saying that you think me bussing ghost was stupid and obvious, but that the same reasoning you used for betsy/you mafia team can be applied to that.

Regarding the coincidence, usually mafia are the informed minority with a separate chat so they would discuss their opinions during the night phase. Y'all both mentioned the idea of me bussing wolf being suspicious. I have previously stated the idea of that is stupid and obvious. Plus, I also implied the idea was flawed here:

Plus, if I wanted to buss them I wouldn't actively encourage them to do something with the actual thread, seems a bit too obvious.

I don't actually believe it was an attempted push, but a slip of having similar ideas. Since I have stated the idea doesn't make sense, it would be weird for two townies to bring the idea up, which doesn't make sense, especially as closely as possible. It makes more plausible sense for two mafia, who has discussed their opinions during the night, to come up with a similar flawed idea together and express those opinions so closely to one another.

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honestly im having a hard time reading betsy bc at the game we were [supposed to be] partners she was very clean and calculating iirc

Were you and Betsy in the last game? If so, how was Betsy town behavior (if they were in the last game?

 

[BetsySundrop]

Just because you deem somebody not worthy to pressure doesn't mean the person shouldn't be pressured. Their behavior was anti-town, I simply attempted to pressure them in hopes on figuring them out. Of course, nothing that they did really changed my mind on the matter. Plus, if I wanted to buss them I wouldn't actively encourage them to do something with the actual thread, seems a bit too obvious.

And no, I haven't been as aggressive as I usually am but it usually shows later on past day 1. Currently two things do stick out for me, I'll elaborate in a few seconds.

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I also find it extremely odd that both you and shellbell both came up with a suspicion on me based on the idea that I would openly attempt to buss ghost even though I choose no vote instead of ghost. I also find it extremely odd that both of you shared these similar perspectives less than a minute apart from one another, almost like it was planned between the both of you. If it was a merely coincidence, it's would be an extremely odd one.

My suspicion of you has absolutely nothing to do with ghost or shellbell sussing you. It is a combination of process of elimination and your own posts.

I've already addressed my reasons for previous susses and most of my townreads, but I will exapnd on them now and end with why you've earned my vote.

B100ming- town. Role was not in question for me, as there was no counterclaim, but in case anyone else has doubts, role confirmed at 9:18pm tonight with friendly neighbor message.

Misty/dan- town. See previous post where I expanded on this.

Shellbell- I have had as townleaning from the beginning, and volts pocketing comment boosts my confidence in a townread on shell. Shell gives detailed reads, goes through all of the posts carefully, and questions everyone, giving posts for reference. If maf and town pocketed, there would be no reason for her to work this hard. Also- shellbell has never been afraid to "go against the flow" with a different opinion, and when doing so, always gives logical reasoning for it.

Volt- at eod d1 I really had volt on my sus list (explained in previous post, the light sus/unanswered questions, then sudden long absence, then back in game for last part of d1). I thought geoni/volt could be a possible team (see previous on why geoni was sus), and voted geoni. However- after I saw geoni had claimed jailkeeper (and I switched my vote off of him)...I noticed volts CAPITAL LETTERS of GET YOUR VOTE OFF GEONI to either b100ming or myself. That has cleared volt for me. It appeared to be town completely frustrated with people voting a claimed pr. I think it was genuine frustration, in a situation where mafia would just keep quiet and let it happen, so volt is town.

Ghost/potter- one of these I suspect will be your partner. Potter is mia, so no way to tell. Ghost, has gotten good advice, from several people, and while I think he is different from last game, posting more, etc...he still hasn't seemed to expand on his thoughts during the game or the reasoning behind them. I understand the inexperience, age, busy irl, I get it. But the problem is, it isn't really helping us solve the puzzle, and when it's difficult to tell whether or not a person is suspicious, that person gets voted off. And when process of elimination leaves that person in a small pool of suspects, then it seems that person could be a wolf.

I'll post my antonio vote reasons in next post. This one is a wall, and the next will probably be a wall as well...

 

[Antonio]

My suspicion of you has absolutely nothing to do with ghost or shellbell sussing you. It is a combination of process of elimination and your own posts.

Have you lost the ability to read or are you just trying to muddle my words? I'm saying you both shared similar ideas of me bussing ghost which doesn't make sense.

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I swear this happened exactly last time we were in a game together and you were mafia.

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I'm heading to bed, please reread my posts Atleast twice because I feel like my words are coming out correctly and people are obviously missing what I'm trying to say.

 

[BetsySundrop]

honestly im having a hard time reading betsy bc at the game we were [supposed to be] partners she was very clean and calculating iirc

Because I had all of the information! It's really difficult not having it.

 

[shellbell]

also now we are playing a mountainous thats nice im sure thats how you envisioned this ness

i hate this. i specifically avoided the mountainous.

I don't actually believe it was an attempted push, but a slip of having similar ideas. Since I have stated the idea doesn't make sense, it would be weird for two townies to bring the idea up, which doesn't make sense, especially as closely as possible. It makes more plausible sense for two mafia, who has discussed their opinions during the night, to come up with a similar flawed idea together and express those opinions so closely to one another.

oh that's clearer to me than what i thought you meant, and makes more sense. but there's not really much more i can say about this
and for what it's worth, i don't really find you all that sus anymore after hearing about how you behave as town from other players who have played with you
also this is a weird situation because i'm also sus of betsy but obviously can't get behind this line of reasoning cause i know it's wrong LOL

 

[BetsySundrop]

Have you lost the ability to read or are you just trying to muddle my words? I'm saying you both shared similar ideas of me bussing ghost which doesn't make sense.

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I swear this happened exactly last time we were in a game together and you were mafia.

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I'm heading to bed, please reread my posts Atleast twice because I feel like my words are coming out correctly and people are obviously missing what I'm trying to say.

Nice try with the sus brush there. But you have failed on my end . I am not on a team with shell, and I have her town. And no, this is not "exactly like when you were mafia". If anyone is interested, they can go read the game (Mountainous Mafia) and will see for themselves. But nice try.

And yes I can read. And I plan to list every time you misquote/misrepresent my reads/posts. Well, maybe not every time, only so much room on the wall...

And a side note, if you succeed in a wagon on me, (or shell, it frankly feels like you are just lookimg for a target sometimes) and I (or shell) flip town, you will be exposed.

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And btw, @Antonio you yourself were the one who talked about bussing before I ever mentioned it, when you said in d1 that you had no problem bussing. It wasn't something "cooked up", and it was not my reason for sussing you.

 

[Antonio]

Nice try with the sus brush there. But you have failed on my end . I am not on a team with shell, and I have her town. And no, this is not "exactly like when you were mafia". If anyone is interested, they can go read the game (Mountainous Mafia) and will see for themselves. But nice try.

And yes I can read. And I plan to list every time you misquote/misrepresent my reads/posts. Well, maybe not every time, only so much room on the wall...

Literally last game we where in together you misread my posts and started this long back and forth because you assumed one thing that wasn't what I was saying. Also, I'm not "sus brushing" anything (whatever tat means), I don't even know why you sus read me in the first place so.

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And a side note, if you succeed in a wagon on me, (or shell, it frankly feels like you are just lookimg for a target sometimes) and I (or shell) flip town, you will be exposed.

God I feel so petty that I just want to copy and paste my role dm just to prove your smug ass wrong.

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And btw, @Antonio you yourself were the one who talked about bussing before I ever mentioned it, when you said in d1 that you had no problem bussing. It wasn't something "cooked up", and it was not my reason for sussing you.

I was referred to my meta as a mafia player which I haven't been in years?

 

[Damniel]

this discussion is getting too heated at this point. i suggest you both step away for the night

 

[Antonio]

Also, I haven't said that was my reason for you sussing me? But the fact that you want to group me with ghost based on the bussing is absolutely stupid. Even attempting to group me with Potter who hasn't even been active is suspicious too.

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oh that's clearer to me than what i thought you meant, and makes more sense. but there's not really much more i can say about this
and for what it's worth, i don't really find you all that sus anymore after hearing about how you behave as town from other players who have played with you
also this is a weird situation because i'm also sus of betsy but obviously can't get behind this line of reasoning cause i know it's wrong LOL

why do you sus read Betsy then?

 

[BetsySundrop]

this discussion is getting too heated at this point. i suggest you both step away for the night

Well I thought I was being reasonable, but you are correct. Tomorrow I will post all of the reasons. I'm not trying to be rude in my posts, but I get what you're saying.

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Literally last game we where in together you misread my posts and started this long back and forth because you assumed one thing that wasn't what I was saying. Also, I'm not "sus brushing" anything (whatever tat means), I don't even know why you sus read me in the first place so.

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God I feel so petty that I just want to copy and paste my role dm just to prove your smug ass wrong.

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I was referred to my meta as a mafia player which I haven't been in years?

No need to swear, and I would also love to post my role pm. It would not be worth the mod kill, though.

 

[Antonio]

this discussion is getting too heated at this point. i suggest you both step away for the night

You're right, I need to take a step back. I'm just so pissed at them for being so obviously hypocritical (and arrogant about it), implying that I'm pushing a wagon when all I have been doing is stating my thoughts regarding the bussing statement and they have been the one who has actually voted for me and keep mentioning that they think I'm sus while delaying their explanation for it. I'm starting to believe they are just trying to find a proper reason for the vote.

@BetsySundrop comeback and explain why you think I'm sus.

 

[shellbell]

why do you sus read Betsy then?

because of contradicting behaviour. she seems very confident in her susses and townreads (like too confident if you know what i mean) yet will always bring up her susses are wrong. kinda feels like shes using doubt as a cover to mask knowledge
all in all, it's just kinda process of elimination, as i haven't seen others doing stuff that is incriminating

 

[Antonio]

Well I thought I was being reasonable, but you are correct. Tomorrow I will post all of the reasons. I'm not trying to be rude in my posts, but I get what you're saying.

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No need to swear, and I would also love to post my role pm. It would not be worth the mod kill, though.

No, I disagree. There was obviously hostility in that statement and it ruins the game ngl.

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because of contradicting behaviour. she seems very confident in her susses and townreads (like too confident if you know what i mean) yet will always bring up her susses are wrong. kinda feels like shes using doubt as a cover to mask knowledge
all in all, it's just kinda process of elimination, as i haven't seen others doing stuff that is incriminating

Could you provide some examples because I'm not seeing the contradicting behavior.

 

[shellbell]

No, I disagree. There was obviously hostility in that statement and it ruins the game ngl.

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Could you provide some examples because I'm not seeing the contradicting behavior.

I'm not gonna quote everything she says, but general air i get is she says stuff with a lot of conviction (towning me, mafia-ing you for example) without entertaining the idea for other possibilities (like when she basically stans for sure misty's reaction is town even after geoni's explanation), but then... she ends with

and I don't have the best track record with my sus.

Really dont want to be wrong about misty and miss hitting maf

I'm probably completely wrong.

Because of my track record

like, a lot. too much if you ask me. seems like these misdirections are added like an afterthought, kinda seems like she's trying to push us to believe she's less knowledgeable than she is
it's not that strong but it's more than i have on anyone else

also i did bring this up in my long post, and she's stopped inserting the "doubt" since then.

one thing i noticed is betsy keeps repeatedly mentioning she doesn’t have a good record with her susses. i know liars tend to repeat lies to try to convince others - it could very well be that she’s just really anxious but maybe she’s trying to hide the fact that if she were apart of a wagon that voted off a town, she’ll look less sus.

 

[BetsySundrop]

You're right, I need to take a step back. I'm just so pissed at them for being so obviously hypocritical (and arrogant about it), implying that I'm pushing a wagon when all I have been doing is stating my thoughts regarding the bussing statement and they have been the one who has actually voted for me and keep mentioning that they think I'm sus while delaying their explanation for it. I'm starting to believe they are just trying to find a proper reason for the vote.

@BetsySundrop comeback and explain why you think I'm sus.

Here are just a few things to think on, will post more tomorrow. And I'm not trying to be rude, but you, potter, and ghost are the only ones I have left after everyone else is town (to me). And as I know I'm town, it's either a potter/ghost team, or a you and one of them team. And you have some sus behavior. Here's a few, then I'm off to bed, and back tomorrow.

-First off, very low activity early in the game (at a time when I was poking everyone, which is the opposite of what I did in my maf game, and exactly what I did in my town game).

Then when you did come in (other than the just woke up post), you labeled all of the previous activity (Misty's susses, volt posting team rocket thing and then not answering questions, few other things) as pointless discussion, had nothing to say about any of it (I even asked), and asked about rqs, as if the game had just started and nothing up to that point mattered. At the time, it appeared to be turning the spotlight away from volt.

-in the rqs, you specifically used "role" instead of "alignment", knowing there were new or inexperienced players. Why not just ask alignment? And when b100ming asked about claiming her role, you didn't protest at all. You posted just before and just after, but did not post against the role claim. Why not? It turned out to be a good thing because of her specific role, but she very well could have had a role like doctor or cop, and that would not habe been good, and yet you didn't protest, only asked her AFTER she claimed why she did it.

- much much later (#258) you were trying to explain geoni's misty thing and said (quoted whole post in italics)-

he's not voting misty because misty was faking behavior, he's voting misty for being against a role claim when there's no reason to be against it.

No reason to be against it? Geoni never said that. And there were plenty of reasons to prevent the role claim.

- and the post above that #257- is one of many examples of you misrep what I say. I corrected you on it and mentioned the telephone game.

- More on roleclaim, you have apparently been playing for a while, and know the rules. Why did you ask b100ming to expand on the specifics of her role, knowing if she used her role pm in the answer she would be modkilled? And when I tried to stop it with, nooo... yall...cmon now, your reply was Hmmm? (Post 61/62). Why on earth would town do that?

Another major issue I have, when I voted geoni yesterday (based on everything explained in previous post), and finished typing my explanation post about volt/geoni (which volt labeled dumb, which in context yes it was, because I hadnt caught up yet and hadn't seen the roleclaim yet), then caught up with newer posts, realized geoni claimed jailkeeper, and changed my vote, I realized something going back in the thread, you were the only one there to NOT protest the geoni votes. Volt protested, ghost protested, b100 and I changed our votes, geoni did the roleclaim, everyone had a strong reaction, but you didn't protest at all. And you were there, you posted before, then posted right after. So why not speak up?

- and speaking of your post right after, it was at 9pm and was yet another misrep of me. You said in response to me sussing volt/geoni

I disagree with this, didn't you tr volt before?

no, i had volt as sus, then said his return to activity helped but did not clear him.


-as mentioned before, and this i will have to detail tomorrow, there are a lot of other things, more minor.

I'm really off for the night now. Back tomorrow to list more, see your respinse. If its not you, the above is plenty sus, and its not meta, its actions. And I really dont see a ghost/potter team. Sorry.

 

[Antonio]

Here are just a few things to think on, will post more tomorrow. And I'm not trying to be rude, but you, potter, and ghost are the only ones I have left after everyone else is town (to me). And as I know I'm town, it's either a potter/ghost team, or a you and one of them team. And you have some sus behavior. Here's a few, then I'm off to bed, and back tomorrow.

-First off, very low activity early in the game (at a time when I was poking everyone, which is the opposite of what I did in my maf game, and exactly what I did in my town game).

Then when you did come in (other than the just woke up post), you labeled all of the previous activity (Misty's susses, volt posting team rocket thing and then not answering questions, few other things) as pointless discussion, had nothing to say about any of it (I even asked), and asked about rqs, as if the game had just started and nothing up to that point mattered. At the time, it appeared to be turning the spotlight away from volt.

-in the rqs, you specifically used "role" instead of "alignment", knowing there were new or inexperienced players. Why not just ask alignment? And when b100ming asked about claiming her role, you didn't protest at all. You posted just before and just after, but did not post against the role claim. Why not? It turned out to be a good thing because of her specific role, but she very well could have had a role like doctor or cop, and that would not habe been good, and yet you didn't protest, only asked her AFTER she claimed why she did it.

- much much later (#258) you were trying to explain geoni's misty thing and said (quoted whole post in italics)-

he's not voting misty because misty was faking behavior, he's voting misty for being against a role claim when there's no reason to be against it.

No reason to be against it? Geoni never said that. And there were plenty of reasons to prevent the role claim.

- and the post above that #257- is one of many examples of you misrep what I say. I corrected you on it and mentioned the telephone game.

- More on roleclaim, you have apparently been playing for a while, and know the rules. Why did you ask b100ming to expand on the specifics of her role, knowing if she used her role pm in the answer she would be modkilled? And when I tried to stop it with, nooo... yall...cmon now, your reply was Hmmm? (Post 61/62). Why on earth would town do that?

Another major issue I have, when I voted geoni yesterday (based on everything explained in previous post), and finished typing my explanation post about volt/geoni (which volt labeled dumb, which in context yes it was, because I hadnt caught up yet and hadn't seen the roleclaim yet), then caught up with newer posts, realized geoni claimed jailkeeper, and changed my vote, I realized something going back in the thread, you were the only one there to NOT protest the geoni votes. Volt protested, ghost protested, b100 and I changed our votes, geoni did the roleclaim, everyone had a strong reaction, but you didn't protest at all. And you were there, you posted before, then posted right after. So why not speak up?

- and speaking of your post right after, it was at 9pm and was yet another misrep of me. You said in response to me sussing volt/geoni

I disagree with this, didn't you tr volt before?

no, i had volt as sus, then said his return to activity helped but did not clear him.


-as mentioned before, and this i will have to detail tomorrow, there are a lot of other things, more minor.

I'm really off for the night now. Back tomorrow to list more, see your respinse. If its not you, the above is plenty sus, and its not meta, its actions. And I really dont see a ghost/potter team. Sorry.

I'll be posting my response tomorrow as I have classes tomorrow morning and It's currently midnight but I do wish to say that I do appreciate the fact that you were willing to share this before going to bed.

 

[BetsySundrop]

I'm not gonna quote everything she says, but general air i get is she says stuff with a lot of conviction (towning me, mafia-ing you for example) without entertaining the idea for other possibilities (like when she basically stans for sure misty's reaction is town even after geoni's explanation), but then... she ends with




like, a lot. too much if you ask me. seems like these misdirections are added like an afterthought, kinda seems like she's trying to push us to believe she's less knowledgeable than she is
it's not that strong but it's more than i have on anyone else

also i did bring this up in my long post, and she's stopped inserting the "doubt" since then.

I explained all of this in a response to you. In my town game, I was wrong on Every. SINGLE. Sus. 5 in all.(got my one vote right though) One after another. It was embarrassing. That was my first game as town. This is my second. After being wrong nearly every time last time, I sincerely doubt my ability to get it right.

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I'll be posting my response tomorrow as I have classes tomorrow morning and It's currently midnight but I do wish to say that I do appreciate the fact that you were willing to share this before going to bed.

Thx. My apologies for coming across hostlie. Not intentional. Just trying to be clear.

 

[Damniel]

just finished a research paper proposal lol off to get 5 hours of sleep for tomorrow

also now we are playing a mountainous thats nice im sure thats how you envisioned this ness

i think it’s funny that roleblocker and 2 masons was a possible combo lol. like what is the roleblocker gonna do

 

[b100ming]

they still go through usually if its a role block or protect. blooming is an unCCd PR claim, protecting her would make the most sense. but Betsy claimed that she received the message from blooming (meaning Blooming wasn't targeted), so I'm not really sure who geoni would've protected

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it could also be possible that Blooming indeed was targeted by Geoni in which case Betsy is just lying. Not sure on the benefit of that though

I'm guessing PRs dont get messages that they've been blocked?

And Blooming, can I ask why you sent your message to betsy in particular?

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@b100ming

Well overall I feel Betsy has the towniest vibe, but I also know she’s a great imposter - I mean mafia (ahem ahem you saw nothing) so she may be fooling me.