reverse oppression

[LambdaDelta]

If your a typical 6th grade girl, then yes, sexism can be opposite. I think that reverse racism definitely exists.

I mean when you're a middle schooler, kind of everyone in your age range is just a jerk any which way.

that isn't "oppression", it's just "children transitioning into early teen years being rather ****ty"

 

[issitohbi]

So people from BLM torturing a disabled white man because of his skin colour and calling him slurs isn't racist then

Reports I saw said 4 suspects attack a disabled man, as in, hate crime against someone disabled. Just because they were black doesn't mean they were black lives matter supporters and even if they were BLM as a whole shouldn't be blamed for it. Which is what you're doing by saying "BLM" instead of "4 black people"

 

[Red Cat]

Also, appropriation is participating in racism. Miss me with the idea that fashion patterns and hair styles belong to everyone. That's like saying the art of one artist belongs to everyone & I can copy it for credit. Bye.

That's kind of a poor analogy though. The idea of a person or group of people owning something makes sense. The idea of a race or ethnicity owning something is a bit of a stretch. If someone wants to use something from another culture and actually understands the context and culture and shows an appreciation for it, then that should be celebrated. If someone uses a feature of a culture and doesn't use it in context of the culture, it looks really stupid, but it's not really racist or discriminatory because the idea of a race or ethnicity having sole ownership of something is kind of discriminatory in itself.

 

[idiotdoomspiral]

Reports I saw said 4 suspects attack a disabled man, as in, hate crime against someone disabled. Just because they were black doesn't mean they were black lives matter supporters and even if they were BLM as a whole shouldn't be blamed for it. Which is what you're doing by saying "BLM" instead of "4 black people"

Pretty sure they were from BLM, I might have been wrong on this one.

 

[issitohbi]

Pretty sure they were from BLM, I might have been wrong on this one.

I might be wrong too about if they were or weren't, because all the reports I saw reported about disability only.

 

[Mink777]

I mean when you're a middle schooler, kind of everyone is just a jerk any which way.

that isn't "oppression", it's just "children transitioning into early teen years being rather ****ty"

Back when I was in sixth grade, I sat between two bratty girls, they had a whiteboard that they wrote down terrible things about me and a few other classmates, and they constantly made fun of me in particular all the time. So I guess it is more of just being a jerk that being opposite sexist. I had no self-esteem back then and was a huge nerd so I guess that's why they did it.

 

[idiotdoomspiral]

I might be wrong too about if they were or weren't, because all the reports I saw reported about disability only.

I saw reports online. However I can't 100% be sure since it's online. Looking it up now I'm getting mixed articles with some saying "it was because he was disabled" or another saying "it was because he was white"
I'm also not against BLM as a whole group.

 

[issitohbi]

That's kind of a poor analogy though. The idea of a person or group of people owning something makes sense. The idea of a race or ethnicity owning something is a bit of a stretch. If someone wants to use something from another culture and actually understands the context and culture and shows an appreciation for it, then that should be celebrated. If someone uses a feature of a culture and doesn't use it in context of the culture, it looks really stupid, but it's not really racist or discriminatory because the idea of a race or ethnicity having sole ownership of something is kind of discriminatory in itself.

Not true. Tribal patterns, which many individuals AND large companies have appropriated under the guise of understanding and celebration, are. for. the. tribe. Our cultures are closed. Meaning, outsiders aren't welcome and when they are, it isn't a free for all. That is OUR decisions as whatever tribe. Just like it is the decision of other ethnicities and cultures.

- - - Post Merge - - -

I saw reports online. However I can't 100% be sure since it's online. Looking it up now I'm getting mixed articles with some saying "it was because he was disabled" or another saying "it was because he was white"
I'm also not against BLM as a whole group.

Same here now, that's odd. Not sure which are considered reputable news sources either but yeah. & I don't think you are, but the automatic conflation of "black people" with "BLM" can be dangerous to the cause and to black people is all I'm saying.

 

[tumut]

Reverse racism? What? People can be racist against whites. I've seen plenty of examples. One video this black girl was bullying this white kid because he chose to wear dreadlocks for fashion. Since when does fashion belong to one race?

Yes you can be racist to a white person but that doesn't make white people oppressed lol.

 

[Red Cat]

Not true. Tribal patterns, which many individuals AND large companies have appropriated under the guise of understanding and celebration, are. for. the. tribe. Our cultures are closed. Meaning, outsiders aren't welcome and when they are, it isn't a free for all. That is OUR decisions as whatever tribe. Just like it is the decision of other ethnicities and cultures.

If someone straight-up copies someone else's pattern, then yes that's wrong and should be illegal. If someone outside of a tribe makes their own unique pattern that looks "tribal", then I don't see what's really wrong with it. Like with any artwork, tribes can own the designs they create and anything which looks obviously ripped off of them, but they can't own entire themes and color schemes and things like that. A tribe can stop other cultures from entering their community if they want, but they can't stop people from leaving and taking the culture with them. It's a human right to spread culture around to people who are willing recipients of that culture.

 

[Soda Fox]

Not true. Tribal patterns, which many individuals AND large companies have appropriated under the guise of understanding and celebration, are. for. the. tribe. Our cultures are closed. Meaning, outsiders aren't welcome and when they are, it isn't a free for all. That is OUR decisions as whatever tribe. Just like it is the decision of other ethnicities and cultures..

Wow, ok. So can I tell people not to dye their hair red? As a natural red head I find it highly offensive that someone would fake such a unique thing about me and my culture.

Obviously that's a ridiculous thing to say. Same with anything else imo.

 

[issitohbi]

As a natural red head I find it highly offensive that someone would fake such a unique thing about me and my culture.

White people aren't the only people to have naturally red hair, it's a recessive trait. Try again.

 

[Soda Fox]

White people aren't the only people to have naturally red hair, it's a recessive trait. Try again.

When did I bring in race? I said natural red hair vs people who dye their hair. How about you try again?

 

[issitohbi]

When did I bring in race? I said natural red hair vs people who dye their hair. How about you try again?

Literally the only time people ever use that as an argument is Irish people with red hair. Since hair is something that grows all colors for all people, it doesn't matter who dyes and who doesn't. That's the most absurd thing to say.

But when a culture designs a print that has meaning to them solely, it shouldn't be up for grabs for those it wasn't designed by/for.

 

[f11]

I mean oppression is systematic and institutionalize so reverse oppression doesn't exist, but extreme bias' and prejudice does.

 

[UglyMonsterFace]

No such thing as reverse oppression. There's only racism, prejudice, bigotry, etc. This can be against white people or straight people. I hate when people say you can't be racist to white people, or sexist against men. These things can affect everyone. Let's not pretend otherwise.

 

[seliph]

Wow, ok. So can I tell people not to dye their hair red? As a natural red head I find it highly offensive that someone would fake such a unique thing about me and my culture.

Obviously that's a ridiculous thing to say. Same with anything else imo.

Hair colour isn't a ****ing culture oh my god are you serious

 

[Stepheroo]

I don't agree with the term "reverse racism" because, like has been stated before, racism is racism.

And culture, like language, is something that diffuses and is NOT "closed" in my opinion. I agree with the notion that, if you take something from a culture then as long as you appreciate it, are knowledgeable about where it comes from and from what culture (not trying to pass it off as your own) then it's okay imo.

As for white people with dreadlocks, I just think it looks ughhhhhhh because I KNOW that dreadlocks in any type of hair other than the type it was meant for have gone through a lot of crappy stuff to become that way, in some cases just literally being dirty af too. But some people think otherwise. Cool. Differing opinions. Not going to attack them for that.

All in all though I'm just sick of the idea that by bringing up other groups of people and trying to make right the stuff that has happened to them, a vengeful sort of mindset has to be created and others need to be brought down. It's like our minds about respect towards people work on a seesaw (enfranchise women? disenfranchise men, etc) and we've become so absorbed in maintaining the LABELS. LABELS EVERYWHERE!!!

sorry I'm on mobile rn

 

[oath2order]

Reports I saw said 4 suspects attack a disabled man, as in, hate crime against someone disabled. Just because they were black doesn't mean they were black lives matter supporters and even if they were BLM as a whole shouldn't be blamed for it. Which is what you're doing by saying "BLM" instead of "4 black people"

exactly what reports did you read because everything I read lead with "4 black people". The person you're responding to is wrong, I agree with what you say about being black =/= BLM.

But you're dodging the point. They said various lines like "**** white people". They targeted him because he was white and disabled. Which is racist.

 

[Soda Fox]

Hair colour isn't a ****ing culture oh my god are you serious

Actually it is. That's why we have our own jokes, days, marches, etc.

On mobile so double quote isn't a thing but - my God you just assumed I'm Irish, which I'm not.

Way to go you two. You just proved why your whole argument is absurd.