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reverse oppression

is reverse oppression real? (choose 1 option that is the closest to your opinion)

  • yes

    Votes: 10 22.7%
  • no

    Votes: 20 45.5%
  • yes but it is not as bad as other oppression

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • maybe in some cases

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • not sure

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • other (comment in the thread)

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Total voters
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Dude =/= me calling you a male, but I sure am not calling you miss/ma'am when you still think you have a right to intervene between a dispute of culture of which you are not a part of. You want people to use your culture however *you* want? Fine. But don't try and police the feelings of others because we hold value to our roots.

Edit: wanted to also note how this whole argument was about how it does hurt people, but I guess that doesn't matter unless it is physical ?\_(ツ)_/?

You could just not use a modifier. And I don't want people to use my culture, but I understand I don't have the right to tell people what to do.

I'm not trying to police your feelings. I'm just disagreeing with you.
 
Yeah, to reiterate what I said before, now that the thread's sort of exploded on its own.

People can commit hate crimes against white people for being white, straight people for being straight, and men for being men. But that's not oppression. It's generally the oppressed getting angry and wanted revenge in some way. It's not oppression. It's anger, it's hate, it's prejudice.

Because as many people are killed or beaten or even just taunted for their skin colour, cops won't kill a white man for being white, and bar thugs won't kill a straight man for being straight.
 
You could just not use a modifier. And I don't want people to use my culture, but I understand I don't have the right to tell people what to do.

I'm not trying to police your feelings. I'm just disagreeing with you.

quick question do you think it's okay to ask black people if you can touch their hair
 
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And culture, like language, is something that diffuses and is NOT "closed" in my opinion. I agree with the notion that, if you take something from a culture then as long as you appreciate it, are knowledgeable about where it comes from and from what culture (not trying to pass it off as your own) then it's okay imo.

You don't get to tell people that their culture can or can't be closed. My tribe's culture is not for grabs. That is up to us. You don't get an opinion on that - whether you're a person of color or white idc, it's simply not up to you.

And don't come back on this about appreciation and sharing because if white people cared they wouldn't have burned my people's village down, forced us off our land, forced us to learn English and abandon our cultures just to turn around and claim elements of them for money and attention.


exactly what reports did you read because everything I read lead with "4 black people". The person you're responding to is wrong, I agree with what you say about being black =/= BLM.

But you're dodging the point. They said various lines like "**** white people". They targeted him because he was white and disabled. Which is racist.

I don't know what they said. I don't care. You can have a prejudiced attack against whites, but it's not a system against white people. White people aren't oppressed just because of a few acts of prejudice.

But you want receipts on what I read/watched?
- FOX NEWS: "Four people accused of tying up and torturing a mentally disabled man and then live streaming the beating on Facebook are scheduled to appear in court on Friday." (link)
- ABC NEWS: "Four black people were charged with hate crimes Thursday in connection with a video broadcast live on Facebook that showed a mentally..." [ill man] (link) Article since removed, titled "Hate-Crime Charges Filed in Attack on Mentally Disabled Man"

There's multiple others as well.


On mobile so double quote isn't a thing but - my God you just assumed I'm Irish, which I'm not.

I didn't assume YOU were Irish. I meant in relevance to the fact that Irish people have red hair and people say "You're copying Irish people by wanting red hair." Don't be daft.

Gyro is right, you're talking over people about their culture using hair as a device.
 
You don't get to tell people that their culture can or can't be closed. My tribe's culture is not for grabs. That is up to us. You don't get an opinion on that - whether you're a person of color or white idc, it's simply not up to you.

And don't come back on this about appreciation and sharing because if white people cared they wouldn't have burned my people's village down, forced us off our land, forced us to learn English and abandon our cultures just to turn around and claim elements of them for money and attention.

I'm not saying I have the choice to do that, I'm saying that, with a knowledge of language and how things in general work, it's basically impossible for ANYONE to call something "closed" or "open" because of the way knowledge of other cultures can expand. I never said it was "right" to take from other cultures but I feel like there is a way for culture to be appreciated in a tasteful way.

And it's unfair to say something like "if white people cared." Not every white person went out and did the things you are saying. Not every white person even agrees with what happened to your people or other oppressed peoples.

There's no need to get snippy. This is why I usually just try and stay out of Brewster's.
 
On topic: Racism is racism no matter who's doing it. So no, 'reverse racism' is not real.

Rest of the thread:
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I'm not saying I have the choice to do that, I'm saying that, with a knowledge of language and how things in general work, it's basically impossible for ANYONE to call something "closed" or "open" because of the way knowledge of other cultures can expand. I never said it was "right" to take from other cultures but I feel like there is a way for culture to be appreciated in a tasteful way.

And it's unfair to say something like "if white people cared." Not every white person went out and did the things you are saying. Not every white person even agrees with what happened to your people or other oppressed peoples.

There's no need to get snippy. This is why I usually just try and stay out of Brewster's.

That's definitely how it came off. Whether I use the word "closed" or not, bottom line is my culture is not for outsiders. If you're not born or married in, you're out. Language can be learned, yeah, there's linguists and the fact that we appreciate continuing the language since it was bred out BUT that doesn't mean access to the culture. The culture can be observed and participated in to an extent when learning the language, but this is not what appropriators and racists are doing.

I didn't say "all" white people. But it's definitely a majority of white people continuing genocide of my people. In the past and even now. I'm glad we have white allies, but that's few and far between so it's still white people that are harming us. I'm sorry if what I say sounds "snippy" but it's the truth I deal with daily and I hate explaining over and over why things are the way they are.
 
That's definitely how it came off. Whether I use the word "closed" or not, bottom line is my culture is not for outsiders. If you're not born or married in, you're out. Language can be learned, yeah, there's linguists and the fact that we appreciate continuing the language since it was bred out BUT that doesn't mean access to the culture. The culture can be observed and participated in to an extent when learning the language, but this is not what appropriators and racists are doing.

I didn't say "all" white people. But it's definitely a majority of white people continuing genocide of my people. In the past and even now. I'm glad we have white allies, but that's few and far between so it's still white people that are harming us. I'm sorry if what I say sounds "snippy" but it's the truth I deal with daily and I hate explaining over and over why things are the way they are.

just a question, what is your culture?
 
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I agree with MorningStar, but I'd like to add something of my own. A sociological truth, in fact.

Oppression is the dominant group in a society unjustly controlling and/or mistreating a subordinate group. In America, the dominant group is white, specifically white males, but anyone who is white has a privilege that people of other races and ethnicities do not. In America, subordinate groups are, to name a few, women, LGBT+, blacks, and Latinos. The easiest form of oppression to recall is black history in America and their present. Blacks are disproportionately arrested and imprisoned, forming the highest prison population in comparison with any other group. Proportionately, the percentage of black people vs white people in American prisons far outnumbers the actual population in America:

In the 2010 census, 64% of America was white, while 13% was black. In prisons, 39% was white and 40% was black. Today, as of December 26, 2016, looking at only these statistics, things seem to be improving on that front, at least: 37.9% are black and 58.6% are white.

But then, look at what Trump and his supporters are doing to Muslim and Sikh people, many of them Americans. Recently, airports were jammed by hundreds of people of middle eastern descent who had come to America by plane. Because customs corralled these people up and told them, "We know you spent hard earned money to come to the home of the free, where everyone can start a new life in a diverse country where they'll have rights. But you wasted that money. Now go back where you came from."

The ban on immigrants from 17 countries in the middle east is an executive order. That means Trump decided, on his own, to do this, and no one could say no. The only way anyone could stop him is by proving in federal court that this is unconstitutional. And despite evidence to the contrary, Trump and his PR group still claim that those with green cards--people who have already earned a legal right to stay in the US, and even citizens--are still allowed to travel. (They rolled it back after protests.)

The Muslim and Sikh community definitely couldn't enact an executive order against, say, Germans entering the United States. Or anything else on that magnitude. Subordinate groups don't have the power. That's why we call them subordinate.

That is why subordinate groups can't oppress dominant groups. Individuals can definitely hate their oppressors, and while that's understandable, it's bias. Prejudice. Members of the dominant group can definitely feel that prejudice, and it doesn't feel good.

But we have to remember, the dominant group is not being oppressed. The subordinate groups are the ones who need protection.
 
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Yes , sadly oppression exists for everyone , no matter what you are :(

Discrimination and oppression aren't the same thing. Even if your opinion is that heterophobia or racism against white people are real, that does not make straight people or white people oppressed.
 
Discrimination and oppression aren't the same thing. Even if your opinion is that heterophobia or racism against white people are real, that does not make straight people or white people oppressed.

Hm...That's true. Probably im confusing Discrimination with Oppression. Thank you for correcting me


And excuse my comment please
 
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reverse racism is a bunch of idiots trying to become special snowflakes as if they don't have enough. stop trying to take everything away and make it all about you as if there isn't enough
stop trying to silence poc speaking of their difficulties

cry all u want i dont care honestly im an asian living in the south and people think being called a cracker is going to take away their opportunity and dreams shut the **** up honestly
 
I'm Native American. Chahta. That was mentioned previously. What does it matter?

You might be Native American, but your culture can't be that different from us crackers if you're on this same Animal Crossing site as we are. If we're not allowed to use your culture, then why can you use our video games? (and yes, video games are a part of culture)
 
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You might be Native American, but your culture can't be that different from us crackers if you're on this same Animal Crossing site as we are. If we're not allowed to use your culture, then why can you use our video games? (and yes, video games are a part of culture)

I don't think it has to be said, but AC was created by Japanese people. And don't use cracker both of you thx.
 
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Hm...That's true. Probably im confusing Discrimination with Oppression. Thank you for correcting me


And excuse my comment please

No problem, people confuse the word all the time it's nbd

You might be Native American, but your culture can't be that different from us crackers if you're on this same Animal Crossing site as we are. If we're not allowed to use your culture, then why can you use our video games? (and yes, video games are a part of culture)

ZOO WEE MAMA
 
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