Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[Geoni]

Gonna be reading up, had a nasty work situation because we had to fire somebody and that means overtime for me.

But things are at least slowing down.

 

[Seroja]

oh dear, forgive me everyone I forgot to check tbt!! I'll read up first

 

[EpicGamer12]

I stated my suspicions on someone then said we should be talking about other people so I must be a hypocrite?

No, I stick by my suspisions but we should be talking about other people as well. Also, if you don't think we should be talking about other people and keep the discussion on DinoTown, just say it. Don't put out there that I am some hypocrite when I said we should be talking about other people, not that we should not be talking about DinoTown.

I wish I was here earlier because people have already called Antonio out on this but can we not meta-discuss who is being discussed and just bring up other players if we find something to say about them? Nobody is just gonna be like "Okay, time to talk about Geoni now". All discussion is currently stemmed from my original post at the beginning of day so it makes sense that the discussion is following topics that stemmed from that.

yikes. i dont really wanna say "poor dino" but i also dont, not wanna say it. "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

it seems a bit crazy to me that this all started off of one seemingly average (at least from my pov) introductory post, but i admire the attention to detail and inability to let anything fly under the radar.

i'm not leaning town on trundle at all, while i get that it'd be risky for mafia to do that right off the bat, it makes perfect sense. stir up some suspicions, don't really back them up too much and then fade into the background and leave everyone to lynch the wrong person.

though, kinda funny how trundle said this:



yet some have managed to run quite far with it.

This isn't really anything imo, but I do think it's funny that you are gut voting me for my gut suspicion I posted at the beginning of day to simply start discussion lol

i understand the “get the ball rolling” aspect of the comment but at this moment i’m just not ~that~ suspicious of dino and way more suspicious of trundle and those who followed suit with no question.

though as i’m writing this dino did throw some suspicion on me so who knows maybe i should be more wary of her.

Bolded line is just weird. I do know from a town perspective being sussed at all is either a bad town read or mafia malarkey but is that really the only thing that makes you suspicious of Dino? If you base your suspicions based on people who sus you you're going to be wrong most of the time.

Regarding Teddy:
When I was reading I thought that their posts were quite unsubstantial and looked like they were intentionally lacking of any content (which is, of course, a common mafia "tactic"/blunder). However many people already called Teddy out for that and I have a hard time forcing myself to scum lean a new player who is already under a lot of pressure. Basically, Teddy is either noob town or mafia, although that isn't saying much so I apologize for this paragraph.

Regarding DinoTown:
I am still suspicious of DinoTown as her posts this game are very different from her posts last game when she was town. I think she has a case of Mafia-Verbosity Fever because the post length difference between the two games is very peculiar. Once again, this raises a red flag for me. Last game as town, DinoTown was quite reserved and short-winded in her posted style and to see the progression of one little sus to such a blow up makes me think DinoTown is mafia. This is still a mafia lean (I apologize for saying read > lean in my first post) but I think based on this D1 pressure it will be relatively easy to solve Dino by D2.

Other misc thoughts:
Relatively strong town lean on bell accont
Slight sus on voltairenism
I can't read Antonio like usual. I think his gameplay is anti-town but I thought the same last game and still was able to peg him as town.
Mayor Leaf... strong null but I would like to be able to mafia lean them so that I can explain their weird behaviour.
No idea about epona, but definitely not a town lean.

Regarding myself:
If you think I'm mafia for throwing an early day sus out that is great for you. You are thinking with your big thinking cap on. I am almost certain there is a mafia who threw a town lean on me after I made that post. Please don't sheep me because I am hyper aware of it this game after the shawo incident. There is also likely at least one mafia who is criticizing Teddy for their lack of contribution to the game so far.

 

[Arstotzkan]

Reading up on thread, gonna get these two out rn though rq whee

Arstotzkhan has been asking several questions that i dont really see a purpose to, especially wrt teddy. it isnt that i disagree with the kinds of questions theyre asking its that i dont see how the questions theyre asking is helping them solve the slot. i dont detect the towny mindset behind their solving, yet.

Teddy's questions were because I noticed their posts at the start, saw nothing, and wanted to get a clue for where they're standing, and I wasn't vibing with the 'let's focus on Dino' mindset the thread was having so I was trying to poke at something.

geoni not feeling it as safe game makes me think you are a townie, especially being a seasoned player. You could’ve taken advantage of the newbies, yet you have been helping, so I think you really want the town to win.

How's Geoni been helping noobies when he coulda been taking advantage?

 

[Ace Marvel]

Reading up on thread, gonna get these two out rn though rq whee
Teddy's questions were because I noticed their posts at the start, saw nothing, and wanted to get a clue for where they're standing, and I wasn't vibing with the 'let's focus on Dino' mindset the thread was having so I was trying to poke at something.
How's Geoni been helping noobies when he coulda been taking advantage?

I don't get that vibe.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Since I do this every game, if I had to pick a mafia team right now it would be DinoTown, Arstotzkhan, voltairenism, and (Seroja or Bianca). The (Seroja or Bianca) could honestly just be a wildcard since it's super flimsy and anyone could go there and make sense right now.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I don't get that vibe.

Wym by that read then?

 

[Ace Marvel]

Wym by that read then?

I didn't feel that by helping others, he was taking advantage.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I didn't feel that by helping others, he was taking advantage.

ok bad wording on my part. What made you get the sense that there was an opportunity to 'take advantage' that he had but didn't take?

 

[Antonio]

I wish I was here earlier because people have already called Antonio out on this but can we not meta-discuss who is being discussed and just bring up other players if we find something to say about them? Nobody is just gonna be like "Okay, time to talk about Geoni now". All discussion is currently stemmed from my original post at the beginning of day so it makes sense that the discussion is following topics that stemmed from that.

Yes, that's fine. I wasn't too sure about the dad thing but I just thought he would call it out or something. He's a null for a reason.

Could you provide some examples on how DinoTown differs? Possibly a quote to quote comparison since you are using meta from the last game? I'm not sure a change of meta is not enough to sus a person, especially since they were lacking in posts last game. However, I would like to know the differences...

 

[Arstotzkan]

Also totally random but Trundle your tone with Uncle Iroh smiling in the background is throwing me for such a loop

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Can we please not do meta arguments, Dino's had literally 1 game and they're kinda annoying ngl

 

[g u a v a]

Mayor Leaf... strong null but I would like to be able to mafia lean them so that I can explain their weird behaviour.

thas jos the mento iwness luv x

Bolded line is just weird. I do know from a town perspective being sussed at all is either a bad town read or mafia malarkey but is that really the only thing that makes you suspicious of Dino? If you base your suspicions based on people who sus you you're going to be wrong most of the time.

mostly that was just to get a rise out of dino ;-)

your arguments are fair, nice to see your side of it.

 

[Ace Marvel]

ok bad wording on my part. What made you get the sense that there was an opportunity to 'take advantage' that he had but didn't take?

Since there are a lot of new players here, it could be easier to set the game in his favor, yet I didn't get that.
What about you? Any thoughts on someone?

 

[Arstotzkan]

Since there are a lot of new players here, it could be easier to set the game in his favor, yet I didn't get that.
What about you? Any thoughts on someone?

He would have been immediately set on fire by literally everyone here who's played a decent amount though.

Still slight town on Trundle, and I'm gonna echo him in saying that you're noob town or trying to play off of your inexperience as scum. I feel like I like Bell's thought processes but I feel like I should also be wary of em. Epona I am painfully null on, as well as volt. Bell's gonna set me on a stake for this one but something about Mayor Leaf rubs me the wrong way, I haven't looked into them enough to give any concrete reason why though. Antonio feels slight town? I feel like? They feel pretty brash for a mafian.

I realize these are woefully scrappy reads rn but today really do be one of those days where exerting a good deal of effort into things feels difficult

 

[Seroja]

finally caught up! there are a lot of new players and I have to do an iso on each player to get out a proper reads list, but I want to say this real quick.

I agree with Kat that it's annoying to see meta comparison on Dino especially since it makes no sense at all. If she was quiet in her first game and she was town, I think it would be more scumtelling if she's even quieter this game. It makes sense for her to be more talkative considering she had gained confidence after being able to play well in the previous game. I'm not townleaning her yet, but I feel that Trundle's read on her is weak and makes no sense.

 

[Geoni]

Townleans

Teddy - does a lot of this veer on the edge of a tonal read? Yeah, but that's more or less a starting point for me. A lot of his posts don't really talk about other players as much as his thoughts on the game of mafia but once I hit post 192 I really felt that it was him playing his own game and getting a feel for playing forum mafia and the readslist has some agreeable takes in it, though I feel like it's in line with some of my thinking aside from the volt townread and Antonio scumread. Wacky-town read basically.

Antonio - He is going to definitely be in disagreement with my reads so far because they are different from mine but he's just got his things he likes and dislikes from people I think. He has expectations of me that, while I find them a little frustrating, I think having expectations from other players demonstrates he is looking at consistency across play. This is town behavior most of the time as long as it is not overdone and formed off the reads of someone else. Also the readslist is a good summary of his thoughts in an organized way that gives me the impression he's solving rather than pushing a wagon which is what I observe him focus on as scum. Also he's much less interactive right from the start when he's scum. A lot of this is meta, yeah, but the dude is towny even not knowing his meta because he's progressing on his reads in a way that feels like he actually wants to PoE scum.


Mayor Leaf - kinda posted and ghosted and popped back in to make a Trundle vote which, understandable as it is, just feels counter to a townread a lot of people are having. It's a unique justification in the least but I'll watch your development on it. I feel like scum wouldn't want anyone to be a consensus townread and to keep town from working together. That being said #209 has so many mafia leans that it gives me town paranoia vibes. That doesn't sell a townlean but the perspective is there and matches up with the Trundle take. Weakest of my leans but I'm going to try and find confidence in that take for today.


Null leaning Town

Bellaccount - I think his re-entry to the thread is satisfying so far, he's addressing the Dino topic at hand and I feel like him not knowing Antonio and calling him scum seems like something that would happen. I'm wanting to get some expansion on the reads in #174. I mindmelded with the Arstozkan take which, along with his focus on how the thread is flowing, makes me want to leave him alone today. Not lynching.


DinoTown - I still feel like it's a bit extra to just put it out there that she is wildly adjusting her sleep just for the sake of being present for EoD but she overexplained it to the point I wasn't expecting and the defense seems a bit towny but I need more nuance in thought than overdefense to feel confident, she's getting there.

Trundle - I think him coming in and sinking his teeth into Dino when he did is not unjustified and shows an aggression I like at the beginning of a game: you see saw something and reacted. He's probably ninja'd me a bit as I work on this so I might ebwop this read after I take a look but last I saw him, I didn't dislike the approach he was taking because look at the discussion it produced.

Pure Null

Seroja - seems like they have to catch up

Null leaning Scum

Bianca - has come in, made a placeholder vote, and done nothing substantial, for her this is the norm but she is close to being bumped down to null leaning Scum. I need to see her try because she actually does eventually.


Scumlean

(If we have 3 scum and not 2 I do not think epona and volt are teamed)

Epona - the reads that they came in with regarding Trundle and Antonio are a good sign because that does suggest they are reading things at the same sort of wavelength as me but I am not sold on that reasoning for the Antonio townread? It feels quickly concluded and I am more reading him on a meta level thus far. In response to your question in these reads, yes, that was my intention to a limited extent. I don't expect that pop quiz to truly catch you on anything but moreso I wanted to get some behavior out of you and it felt a bit indirect which is why it pinged me. Also kinda feels like you are ganging up on Dino there with Volt. I don't see the newbie card being played at this point the way you suggest it is in your scumlean justification. Does 'overegging' the winning hammer last game suggest it's coming from a scum approach? How? Also why back off a Trundle townread because people are airing unease about too many townreads. If you townread someone, you townread someone. It's called solving. Also in regards to 141 Antonio seems to be saying what he thinks? I feel like with you it's a lot of the little moments. I feel like I'm getting too long winded with you but it's also for a reason. Regardless I don't see you partnered with Volt here, I don't see them back and forth a y'all had being theater.

Volt - I thought their answers in the beginning felt pure enough on a tonal level but there's something about the way they piggyback on the accumulating heat put on Dino that bothers me a little and I am not sure why they expect that everyone should be memeing or should be memeing as a reason for suspicion in that response to Dino when not a lot of us have been memeing from the getgo here. Mayor Leaf seemed to immediately point that out. I really dislike the response to epona in your justification for hovering when there is so much more going on in the thread than Trundle and myself at the time of this post. Also following up in #218 readslist I understand Seroja but why have no reads on three of us who have posted? It feels like you posted that readslist because people were posting them and wanted to focus on people who were more in discussion.

Arstozkan - I am not liking the contribution so far and bellaccount hit the nail on the head, the interactions with Teddy comes off as latching onto some insubstantial game talk that on and off shades Teddy when it's little more than Teddy wording things weirdly and the length of time in which she continued this did not feel like someone wanting to solve the game. I expect a player like her to read the thread more widely.

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That probably needs a tldr

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He would have been immediately set on fire by literally everyone here who's played a decent amount though.

Still slight town on Trundle, and I'm gonna echo him in saying that you're noob town or trying to play off of your inexperience as scum. I feel like I like Bell's thought processes but I feel like I should also be wary of em. Epona I am painfully null on, as well as volt. Bell's gonna set me on a stake for this one but something about Mayor Leaf rubs me the wrong way, I haven't looked into them enough to give any concrete reason why though. Antonio feels slight town? I feel like? They feel pretty brash for a mafian.

I realize these are woefully scrappy reads rn but today really do be one of those days where exerting a good deal of effort into things feels difficult

This is what I was missing from you. That being said why be null on epona and Volt if it's painful? Something (I assume) is pinging you to call it painful and I'm not a fan of it being left unexplored.

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Also meta isn't a terrible thing to use but it depends on the person when it comes to how valid your confidence should be in it.

I think it's okay to set meta expectations for Dino if she's going to tout her performance last game. Let her feel pressured to match the amount of work she put into that game lol.

 

[voltairenism]

I really dislike the response to epona in your justification for hovering when there is so much more going on in the thread than Trundle and myself at the time of this post.

What do you mean?

 

[Geoni]

Honestly, you said that I wasn't giving too much of original input and I agree with you. I am just collecting my thoughts and waiting for geonio and trundle input, since they seem to be hot topics right now.
But I was going to comment on Antonio saying about the dinotown bandwagon, since I was one of them, and it's kind of confusing to know they low-key support me on dinotown when I said it was unnecessary rant, but then telling that mafia jumped on the bandwagon of pushing her, and I seemly was one of them. I mean, the original post seems at little more accusatory, then it turned to "hey, shouldnt we talk about more people?" (I am reading the thread pretty closely so I am keep my impressions of the messages as soon as I read them) but I don't want to be guessing tones again since I feel like I was in the wrong track with dinotown.

This post after Epona pointed out you were hovering which just felt like an odd reasoning after you were open about admitting to. We weren't really hot topics at the time?

 

[Ace Marvel]

@Geoni what does veer on the edge of a tonal means? I'm not familiar with the expression.

 

[voltairenism]

This post after Epona pointed out you were hovering which just felt like an odd reasoning after you were open about admitting to. We weren't really hot topics at the time?

Oh I see. At the moment the topic was trying to move on from dino and turning to trundle made the scumread at the first place and you werent opposed to it. Maybe it doesn't seem that way reading it after but it felt to me like we hit at wall and we were bring up information from past posts.