Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[Geoni]

I wish I was here earlier because people have already called Antonio out on this but can we not meta-discuss who is being discussed and just bring up other players if we find something to say about them? Nobody is just gonna be like "Okay, time to talk about Geoni now". All discussion is currently stemmed from my original post at the beginning of day so it makes sense that the discussion is following topics that stemmed from that.



This isn't really anything imo, but I do think it's funny that you are gut voting me for my gut suspicion I posted at the beginning of day to simply start discussion lol



Bolded line is just weird. I do know from a town perspective being sussed at all is either a bad town read or mafia malarkey but is that really the only thing that makes you suspicious of Dino? If you base your suspicions based on people who sus you you're going to be wrong most of the time.

Regarding Teddy:
When I was reading I thought that their posts were quite unsubstantial and looked like they were intentionally lacking of any content (which is, of course, a common mafia "tactic"/blunder). However many people already called Teddy out for that and I have a hard time forcing myself to scum lean a new player who is already under a lot of pressure. Basically, Teddy is either noob town or mafia, although that isn't saying much so I apologize for this paragraph.

Regarding DinoTown:
I am still suspicious of DinoTown as her posts this game are very different from her posts last game when she was town. I think she has a case of Mafia-Verbosity Fever because the post length difference between the two games is very peculiar. Once again, this raises a red flag for me. Last game as town, DinoTown was quite reserved and short-winded in her posted style and to see the progression of one little sus to such a blow up makes me think DinoTown is mafia. This is still a mafia lean (I apologize for saying read > lean in my first post) but I think based on this D1 pressure it will be relatively easy to solve Dino by D2.

Other misc thoughts:
Relatively strong town lean on bell accont
Slight sus on voltairenism
I can't read Antonio like usual. I think his gameplay is anti-town but I thought the same last game and still was able to peg him as town.
Mayor Leaf... strong null but I would like to be able to mafia lean them so that I can explain their weird behaviour.
No idea about epona, but definitely not a town lean.

Regarding myself:
If you think I'm mafia for throwing an early day sus out that is great for you. You are thinking with your big thinking cap on. I am almost certain there is a mafia who threw a town lean on me after I made that post. Please don't sheep me because I am hyper aware of it this game after the shawo incident. There is also likely at least one mafia who is criticizing Teddy for their lack of contribution to the game so far.

Time to increase your paranoia Trundle, I think you are town you here. I think you are right to be paranoid about being pocketed by people but at the same time I think you just have to keep yourself open to change and not let it prevent you from working with others because the whole 'too many people are townreading Trundle' is not helpful at all. If you find someone towny you find someone towny.

I'm kinda confident about Mayor Town being newb town because I don't think they are operating on a specific agenda when nobody else is really pushing that take on you and as I mentioned, having a bunch of scumreads is either a) mafia leaving many options open for wagons or b) they just have trouble trusting others and with what she had to say I lean on it being b.

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@Geoni what does veer on the edge of a tonal means? I'm not familiar with the expression.

I say a lot of it is based on your tone and that feels weird to be a major justification for someone being at the very top but I have to put a deep gut feeling out there because I feel like it should be obvious.

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Oh I see. At the moment the topic was trying to move on from dino and turning to trundle made the scumread at the first place and you werent opposed to it. Maybe it doesn't seem that way reading it after but it felt to me like we hit at wall and we were bring up information from past posts.

That doesn't come across as a reason just to withhold on reading the other discussions at hand though? That's where the hovering sus comes from for me. I'll reread the context but it was a mindmeld with epona as I was reading.

 

[g u a v a]

mafia until proven towny i say.

 

[Geoni]

Volt, on that page I see Antonio talking about me and Trundle being discussed due to Mayor's vote so I guess I'll give that the benefit of the doubt, the mentions are small ones in the context of everything in the game which is why I think in my full read-through it did give me the feeling of you hovering.

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Volt is throwing me though because piggybacking isn't automatically scummy for a new player. The omission of Kat and myself in the readslist is glaring though especially considering that I was previously brought up as a hot topic to them.

 

[voltairenism]

I see. I asked because I thought you were quoting the post I said I was scared of confronting dino, thus the confusion.
And for your overall reading, I am just feeling a little lost and I can't really see throught people's intentions, so I agree that I am piggybacking. I don't want to stay on reading so much, but I don't have original opinions either, so Idk....

Volt is throwing me though because piggybacking isn't automatically scummy for a new player. The omission of Kat and myself in the readslist is glaring though especially considering that I was previously brought up as a hot topic to them.

Well I was waiting for you to appear to form an opinion, and you didn't by the time I made my reads. I omitted Kat because she seems very null to me, I don't agree with bell, but she doesn't seem town. What would this add to the conversation yk

 

[Seroja]

It's been awhile since I played mafia (2 years?) and I forgot how time consuming this is :/
as of writing this, I'm on my second time rereading the thread and forming reads in my head but I need to address these posts-

And I will answer that, being straightforward can change the perception all the player have of you, my unholy trinity comment was meant to be a pop culture reference, and now I'm being suspected of being scum. So I'm being calculated, but every time I try to explain myself, I'm being more suspected of being Mafia. So now I have to prove harder , that my goal is saving the town.

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But I will keep fighting to make the town win.

This post is confusion. The first sentence, and especially the bolded phrase doesn't make sense to me. Can you please paraphrase it to clarify what you meant?

Like I said, the town has to win and if that means being killed, I will do it. It's not distant is honestly want I feel needs to happen. The truth is that some of us will die, no matter who wins.
Guess you'll discover during the night cycle if I'm also awake.

Again please help explain what you meant by the bolded sentence. Also I think it goes without saying that some players will die in a game of mafia.

Since I do this every game, if I had to pick a mafia team right now it would be DinoTown, Arstotzkhan, voltairenism, and (Seroja or Bianca). The (Seroja or Bianca) could honestly just be a wildcard since it's super flimsy and anyone could go there and make sense right now.

Out of everyone listed, I didn't see you saying anything about Arstotzkhan (Kat) in your reads post. So I find it interesting to see her name here. (Bianca and I being in the list makes sense for being away). What are your reasons for Kat being part of the scum team.

 

[Geoni]

I'm voting Kat because they've shown much less town qualities compared to the rest except Bianca and Seroja who are practically brand atm

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Rand

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Ninjas strike once again

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Seroja how many people have you ISOd?

 

[Seroja]

By the way, I should let y'all know that my timezone is GMT+8

 

[Geoni]

I like your avatar btw it provides a very comfortable air to your presence despite how disagreeable you just came in.

 

[Seroja]

Seroja how many people have you ISOd?

currently I just finished my second reading of the thread and was saving the links to each post according to the players (basically doing it manually) I guess we can no longer do the name clicky thing to isolate posts by posters?

 

[Geoni]

For what it's worth I appreciate that you were looking for associatives in Trundle/Kat but the takes above it are really disagreeable regarding Teddy. Like...that being the first thing you want to talk about.

You can ISO someone by using the search function for a member name and choose posts in this thread

 

[DinoTown]

Okie dokie just woke up to a vote from Geoni, that's fun. Time to catch up

 

[Seroja]

For what it's worth I appreciate that you were looking for associatives in Trundle/Kat but the takes above it are really disagreeable regarding Teddy. Like...that being the first thing you want to talk about.

You can ISO someone by using the search function for a member name and choose posts in this thread

ohh because they genuinely confuse me lol. I want to avoid making conclusions to something that I don't understand very well.

Okie dokie just woke up to a vote from Geoni, that's fun. Time to catch up

whelp thought he's voting Kat?

 

[DinoTown]

whelp thought he's voting Kat?

he is indeed - only read one page yet so I don't quite know why yet

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Guess you'll discover during the night cycle if I'm also awake.

Am I the only one who thinks this comment is... off? 'Cause it makes me feel off. I'm not sure what being awake has to do with anything (but I could just be being stupid), more importantly, the whole "wait and see" thing has just... basically given mafia a good reason to leave Teddy alive to cast more suspicion over 'em.

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I'm on page 4 of 11, I was out all day as it is Victoria Day here in Canada (GOD SAVE THE QUEEN). Will be a little while before I can read up.

I did not know Canada has such a holiday, but as a Brit, I highly approve. God Save The Queen

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Also meta isn't a terrible thing to use but it depends on the person when it comes to how valid your confidence should be in it.

I think it's okay to set meta expectations for Dino if she's going to tout her performance last game. Let her feel pressured to match the amount of work she put into that game lol.

I agree with this sentiment that putting meta pressure on someone even if there is no meta could work, however

If she was quiet in her first game and she was town, I think it would be more scumtelling if she's even quieter this game. It makes sense for her to be more talkative considering she had gained confidence after being able to play well in the previous game. I'm not townleaning her yet, but I feel that Trundle's read on her is weak and makes no sense.

this is very true. If you think I'm supposed to be quiet, wouldn't mafia me want to keep quiet to fly under the radar and be quite comfy doing so - because while you might turn on others and go "don't you think it's odd they're a bit quiet" you might not do the same for me because "oh dino's always quiet, it's probably fine". When, as Volt has clocked onto, I'm actually not quiet, when I'm feeling comfortable with the topic at hand (which I clearly am more confident this game than last) I can and will talk your ears off.

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I'm not entirely sure I agree with Geoni's stance on Arstotska. Kat was taking an interest in other people and trying to gather more information, which is what lead to the behaviours you deemed scummy enough to vote for. I'm not sure the mafia would do that, since the conversations were developing and fingers being pointed already without the need for that happening. I'm not sure a mafia would go out of the way to chance the focus of the conversation if there's the possibility it puts them in the limelight instead.

Of course, Kat could have been plenty confident that there was no chance the limelight would shift to them and thought they could keep the focus on Teddy, so I could be wrong entirely. But I'm not sure I see it.

 

[Biancasbotique]

One thing is for sure..at least one scum is in these people..
Trundle
Seroja
Geoni
Antonio
Dinotown
Arstotzkan (Kat)

Because what is a possibility of an all newbie scum team?

 

[Geoni]

One thing is for sure..at least one scum is in these people..
Trundle
Seroja
Geoni
Antonio
Dinotown
Arstotzkan (Kat)

Because what is a possibility of an all newbie scum team?

How about making an actual read instead of suggesting the host made a rand that wasn't pure rand? Not off to a great start here.

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Bianca if you had to vote someone who has posted on this current page who would you choose and why?

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Also Dino in re: Kat - what I am having issues with is that after Teddy clarifies himself, what more is there to cling to when you could be interacting with others more and trying to determine your townies? The first few posts showed wider reads but they got super narrow on what I feel is low hanging fruit. Only throwing down a readslist after getting some heat. If we disagree, then we disagree, but as it stands I'm not a fan. Volt is giving me conflicting feelings recently. I want to interact with epona more, and I guess Bianca is close to that voteable territory.

Need -something- to pick up here this morning, votes-wise.

 

[epona]

Epona - the reads that they came in with regarding Trundle and Antonio are a good sign because that does suggest they are reading things at the same sort of wavelength as me but I am not sold on that reasoning for the Antonio townread? It feels quickly concluded and I am more reading him on a meta level thus far. In response to your question in these reads, yes, that was my intention to a limited extent. I don't expect that pop quiz to truly catch you on anything but moreso I wanted to get some behavior out of you and it felt a bit indirect which is why it pinged me. Also kinda feels like you are ganging up on Dino there with Volt. I don't see the newbie card being played at this point the way you suggest it is in your scumlean justification. Does 'overegging' the winning hammer last game suggest it's coming from a scum approach? How? Also why back off a Trundle townread because people are airing unease about too many townreads. If you townread someone, you townread someone. It's called solving. Also in regards to 141 Antonio seems to be saying what he thinks? I feel like with you it's a lot of the little moments. I feel like I'm getting too long winded with you but it's also for a reason. Regardless I don't see you partnered with Volt here, I don't see them back and forth a y'all had being theater.

with respect this is kind of a lot of nothing. my comments on antonio (a whole 10 pages ago) were a very preliminary townlean (i.e. nothing about them struck me as sus at that point and it was more in response to arstotzkhan singling him out for FoSing you and trundle than anything else) and weren't presented as a concrete townread at all. this lean was pretty flexible and i've since changed my mind on it

i don't think i was ganging up on dinotown, i just find her incessant focus on talking about herself and her mannerisms tiresome and counter-productive. at first i found it suspicious and i pressed on that; i'm still not townleaning on her at all but as the discussion has moved on and we've explored other avenues it's taken a backseat for me. not against re-visiting it though. i disagree with you saying the newbie card isn't being played

I personally think it's a little weird to place a vote on someone in a quiet period without saying at least something in the main thread just before. Is that commonplace and it's just me thinking it's odd to do? Or am I right to think that's a little odd?

it's comments like this that are putting me off. if you think something is weird then come out and say it with your chest instead of copping out with an 'is that commonplace? am i right?' at the end, effectively hiding behind 'inexperience' and looking for some sort of reassurance or validation of your thoughts. ok fine she's only played one forum mafia game but it was a pretty long and meaty game, and apart from volt i don't see anybody else using being new to forum mafia as an excuse to put out half-baked contributions and then retreat behind 'but i could be wrong because i'm just new!' but correct me if i'm wrong about that

to be honest i think dinotown has contributed very little to the discussion so far apart from talking about herself and how she talks too much and her sleeping pattern, and she's getting away with it because there was heat on her in the beginning so people are willing to let her take more of a backseat now

again, not definitively scumreading her at the moment but i don't feel confident that she's town at all at this stage

finally, i didn't back off a trundle townread, i've maintained pretty consistently that i personally have no reason to believe he's not town, all i said was that i wasn't townlocking him that early in the game.



i'd like to see more evidence on why people are scumreading Arsotzkhan beyond her interaction with teddy. ideally i'd like for us to be as unified as possible when it comes to lynching today but i'm not comfortable with an arsotzkhan wagon at the moment

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honestly that's kind of it. It was late here and I thought me and dino were the only ones online and I was a little scared of discussing in a mano-a-mano, so I tried to be subtle (I don't think it worked out lol)

i'm getting the feeling you think this sort of honesty about how little you're contributing is refreshing and makes you seem more transparent and pro-town but it's pretty annoying

 

[DinoTown]

it's comments like this that are putting me off. if you think something is weird then come out and say it with your chest instead of copping out with an 'is that commonplace? am i right?' at the end, effectively hiding behind 'inexperience' and looking for some sort of reassurance or validation of your thoughts. ok fine she's only played one forum mafia game but it was a pretty long and meaty game, and apart from volt i don't see anybody else using being new to forum mafia as an excuse to put out half-baked contributions and then retreat behind 'but i could be wrong because i'm just new!' but correct me if i'm wrong about that

Okay, that's actually a little ridiculous. I've been putting my thoughts out there are a couple of times I've felt weird about something - asking for clarification if that's a normal thing to do or not is not weird. I don't want to see something, think 'huh, that's not good, that could be scummy' and it's totally normal to do in the end. Yes, I am inexperienced. I don't know the nuances of the game perfectly. I'm not scum for not wanting to call people scum over something if I don't actually know if that something indicates scumminess?

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Yes, I thought not announcing the vote was weird.
I wanted to know if it was weird because I wouldn't do it that way or if no-one would do it that way. If it was just me, I can brush it aside and focus on something else. If no-one would do it that way, then I'd consider that person worth digging a little deeper into.
However, Mayor Leaf replied to me on that explaining why the vote was not announced and the reasons behind it were just fine, and I decided it was a me-problem rather than anything else, so I've dropped it.
How does that make me look bad, exactly?

 

[epona]

One thing is for sure..at least one scum is in these people..
Trundle
Seroja
Geoni
Antonio
Dinotown
Arstotzkan (Kat)

Because what is a possibility of an all newbie scum team?

this is the sort of weak post i'd expect to see on maybe page 2 when there's absolutely nothing to go on. there's no excuse for it when there's now almost 300 posts to form some sort of opinion based off. can we hear what you think about what's actually happening? i was already wary of people townlocking you based on your collective 5 posts so far and this is doing nothing to assuade that

Okay, that's actually a little ridiculous. I've been putting my thoughts out there are a couple of times I've felt weird about something - asking for clarification if that's a normal thing to do or not is not weird. I don't want to see something, think 'huh, that's not good, that could be scummy' and it's totally normal to do in the end. Yes, I am inexperienced. I don't know the nuances of the game perfectly. I'm not scum for not wanting to call people scum over something if I don't actually know if that something indicates scumminess?

i never said you were scum, i explicitly said that i'm not scumreading you right now. there's no conclusive list of what indicates scumminess and what doesn't, and i don't think it's good enough to be asking other players to validate your reads for you before you come out and say them. if you played so well in the last game, be more confident about how you feel / what is striking you as off now

 

[DinoTown]

i never said you were scum, i explicitly said that i'm not scumreading you right now. there's no conclusive list of what indicates scumminess and what doesn't, and i don't think it's good enough to be asking other players to validate your reads for you before you come out and say them. if you played so well in the last game, be more confident about how you feel / what is striking you as off now

alright, in that case I apologise. I am typing up something now, so gimme like 5 minutes

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Can we talk about how Trundle popped in to make 3 posts and then vanished again? Okay, yes, one was a BIG post and one was about a suspected mafia team, which is great, but I feel like someone who was a major point of discussion would want to... be here regularly to actually discuss the game? Going back over the big post, Trundle even points out that there is a lot of waffle

although that isn't saying much so I apologize for this paragraph.

(On discussing on how nooby Teddy is - which we already know is very)

I am very aware I said I townleaned him earlier, but it was loose was very easy to be swayed. I was waiting for him to come back and say some more overnight. Honestly was expecting a decent amount that was going to further convince me of my lean on him, but I find myself underwhelmed by his presence and no longer quite happy to toss him into the town lot.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I’d really hope that there is one mafia between DinoTown and epona because it doesn’t look like Town/Town to me.

Also @ Dino I made those posts before bed and just woke up lol. Unfortunately I can’t play in my sleep.

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Someone asked me why Kat is in my mafia team list. There was a post by (someone) that I really agreed with about how Kat’s questioning of Teddy looked like Kat trying to come off as helpful but in reality just seemed super filler and pseudo-contributing. I will find the post later I’m still on my phone in bed.

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alright, in that case I apologise. I am typing up something now, so gimme like 5 minutes

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Can we talk about how Trundle popped in to make 3 posts and then vanished again? Okay, yes, one was a BIG post and one was about a suspected mafia team, which is great, but I feel like someone who was a major point of discussion would want to... be here regularly to actually discuss the game? Going back over the big post, Trundle even points out that there is a lot of waffle

(On discussing on how nooby Teddy is - which we already know is very)

I am very aware I said I townleaned him earlier, but it was loose was very easy to be swayed. I was waiting for him to come back and say some more overnight. Honestly was expecting a decent amount that was going to further convince me of my lean on him, but I find myself underwhelmed by his presence and no longer quite happy to toss him into the town lot.

I know I already commented on it once but this post is so bad reading it a second time lmao

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Thoughts on Seroja - slight town lean but I find the nitpicking on Teddy lacklustre at best.
Thoughts on Geoni - slight town lean. I don’t think I’m being pocketed but his reads do overlap with mine some. I like his elaboration on voltairenism.

I would vote for any within (DinoTown, epona, Arstotzkan, voltairenism) today, which is a big range I will likely narrow down. I think there could potentially be 2 mafia in that list.