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What makes you say Epona/I is not town/town? From my perspective, I don't see Epona not being town. The logic is solid and there's plenty of actual contributing, so unless it's a repeat Shawo (okay that's maybe likely, but not sure how well it would go 2 games in a row) I'd say Epona seems pretty townie.
Sorry I was actually writing this at work and halfway thru I had to leave for home. Iftar is in now so if this looks rushed, it is. Please feel free to poke at it and I will answer when I’m back after the night prayers.
Trundle - at first I kind of understand him being sus of Dino over her enthusiasm, but after hundreds of pages in (and many many explanation posts from her later) it starts to feel opportunistic to me especially because he didn't acknowledge nor address her replies to him. I also fail to see how post lengths are indicative of alignment without actually discussing the contents of said posts. Null because he hasn't really done anything outright sus, but definitely keeping a close eye on him.
Epona- probably my strongest town lean at the moment. Basically I like her posts and how she didn't leave no stone unturned and questioned everything that I probably would had I been here.
Dinotown- I could tell that you were genuinely trying to explain your enthusiasm but I guess the way it was said rubbed people off the wrong way. Your tone reads as genuine, but so far I haven't seen you contributing much to the discussions aside from answering questions directed at you. I agree with Antonio about you being too much on the defense, and would like to see more thoughts from you. Not enough for a town lean yet. Null.
Bell Account - Slight town-lean because their posts are very straightforward and to the point (it helps that I also agree with them). I especially like your comparison on Arstotskan and Epona because they don't read as calculative or manufactured. (Not commenting on the accuracy of the reads though)
Mayor Leaf - another town lean. More or less on the same reasoning as Epona.
Bianca- a wild card as always. Iirc being the first person to place a vote is usually a towntell but I'm not comfortable reading her based on this alone. And I didn't like how she was here but only replied to casual posts from Dino without commenting on any of the issues discussed at the time. I don't like writing it of as 'ohh it's the usual Bianca playstyle' either. Still need more posts from her. Also hi Bianca!!!
voltairenism - did they seem like they tried hard to come up with points to discuss? Yes they did. But I could see them doing this as either town or mafia so null for now.
Geoni - You’re the last in my iso so I’m not done yet but I’m posting this now to get the rest out. Allow me to post my read on you in a separate post. But basically getting town vibes from your posts so far.
Antonio - Null leaning town because Antonio's post are almost transparent to me. He seemed to post whatever was on his mind at the given time (which isn't necessarily a good thing because it could come as either parroting or sheeping others) I also think that as mafia he wouldn't try to stop the tunnelling on Dino (unless he is scumbuddy with her, which I highly doubt), and ask for the discussion to be on other players too. However, it would've been better if he had come up with points of discussion himself instead of asking others to do it.
Teddy345 - his cryptic posts confused me, and I agreed with Epona’s points about his playstyle not being protown, but at the same time I don’t see why he would post that way as mafia. It would be a bit too out there and I believe mafia always wants to appear as protown and as lowkey as possible. The reason why we encourage engagement and discussions is so that we will have content to look at when a player dies (also you might notice something that nobody else has). If you’re really town, even if you’re willing to die, don’t let your death be in vain.
Arstotzkhan - I don’t have a concrete read on Kat yet because she was here but also felt a bit distant from the discussions. I remember that even as a third party (who was arguably protown) she usually had something interesting to say. That seems to be missing in this game. When I saw the scumleans on her I entertained the thought of a Kat/Teddy team. What if she was coaching him but instead of doing it in the scumchat, she did that here? Anyway, null on her.
No scumleans yet because honestly nobody stood out as scum so far. I don’t like scumleaning peeps without suspicions .
What makes you say Epona/I is not town/town? From my perspective, I don't see Epona not being town. The logic is solid and there's plenty of actual contributing, so unless it's a repeat Shawo (okay that's maybe likely, but not sure how well it would go 2 games in a row) I'd say Epona seems pretty townie.
What makes you say Epona/I is not town/town? From my perspective, I don't see Epona not being town. The logic is solid and there's plenty of actual contributing, so unless it's a repeat Shawo (okay that's maybe likely, but not sure how well it would go 2 games in a row) I'd say Epona seems pretty townie.
Well, as you know I think you are mafia so I think epona is the town and you are the mafia from my current point of view. However if you were to flip town I would have some heavy suspicions on epona.
I like epona's posts because they are a bit straight forward and aggressive but at the same time she seems to be avoiding making any concrete positions. In post #276 epona kinda drilled DinoTown but also said "again, not definitively scumreading her at the moment but i don't feel confident that she's town at all at this stage". Maybe I just like a player who isn't afraid to make a concrete, pressuring read. Some of y'all are playing like a flimsy fishing rod when y'all should be golden fishing rods.
Well, as you know I think you are mafia so I think epona is the town and you are the mafia from my current point of view. However if you were to flip town I would have some heavy suspicions on epona.
That's fair. Can you explain a bit better why you think Epona would be looking funky after I flip?
I personally don't think a mafia would be pushing for me as hard for this exact reason - those who did push for me hard take the spotlight when I flip. I think the mafia is more likely to be amongst the group who were giving me attention at first but have let the topic drop for now.
That's fair. Can you explain a bit better why you think Epona would be looking funky after I flip?
I personally don't think a mafia would be pushing for me as hard for this exact reason - those who did push for me hard take the spotlight when I flip. I think the mafia is more likely to be amongst the group who were giving me attention at first but have let the topic drop for now.
As of right now? I wouldn't. Your vote wouldn't have any basis, so there's nothing for me to defend. I'd definitely question why you were convinced to vote me in first place, and I might try to lead a counterwagon onto you (try to get people to vote you, in other words) since you'd be throwing around way stronger accusations than any townie would have any right to be making right now.
I'm looking for something more concrete. I know how making arguments and cases work, but if I vote you right now, what pathos, logos, and ethos do you use?
See this is my problem; I feel like you're 'preparing to play' rather than actually playing.
You're not really actively trying to 'figure anything out' right now. Rather than attempting to glean intent from your posts, it's felt like you're playing passive and only responding to what's asked. That's why I was asking about how you generally handle things; you clearly think there most be a logical backing behind a vote, yet rather than weigh in on the scumminess/lack thereof of individuals, you've just been floating along or responding to me specifically. I get there hasn't been a lot in thread yet, but even still, there has definitely been things to comment on that you haven't (such as Trundle and Dino).
you good lul. That said, still disagree. It feels more enthusiastic and verbose to me than self obsessed. If I just did something new and ended up being really good at it (or even just being told I did really well), I would definitely feel a lot stronger and confident going into the next time following. I think they were trying to explain their enthusiasm rather than simply laying it out on their table, and they definitely seem to tend to like to be verbose.
What if everyone adopted this mindset of 'waiting to give input until there is a clearer picture'? Nothing would get done.
Also re: 'I will create a spotlight on me that I won't be able to sustain': Can you elaborate on this?
I don't understand why Kat (Arstotzkan) is/was tunneling Teddy so hard. I am pretty sure 2-3 interactions would be enough to get at least a mafia or town lean on Teddy so it's just annoying me. In my opinion, Kat doing this accomplished nothing except making a new town player feel super self conscious about their posts and distracted town.
Woah, okay... that's a lot of posts Kat directed at Teddy. I wasn't heavily invested in that convo when it was occurring, that's actually way more than I remember there being. Time to go look into that again and make sure I'm looking at it properly. I said earlier that Kat taking an interest in Teddy wasn't really AI but there's taking an interest and then there's that.
not making any concrete positions because i genuinely don't have any concrete ideas of alignments. it's difficult to get a complete picture of things when there seems to be two clearly defined windows of activity and i'm trying to bridge my ideas across two groups of players.
i sometimes fall a bit victim to discarding very obviously scummy behaviour simply cause i would think mafia would make a better effort at appearing pro-town, which is how i'm feeling about teddy at the moment
i think seroja's comments about arstozkhan effectively coaching teddy in the thread are interesting. as above, i don't think she'd be that blatant because tunnelling in on teddy was pretty noticeable, but at the same time there are a lot of newer players in this game and she wasn't honing in on anybody else's prior experience so it does seem a bit random. i'm still very doubtful that it's a teddy/arstozkhan team tho lol
currently, i think the only person i'm actually comfortable with lynching is voltairenism. their contribution has been lacklustre at best and it still comes off as coasting to me. i know i'm flitting back and forth on this one a bit, but i think it's a fairly big possibility they're a less confident portion of a scumteam doing the bare minimum to come across as active and pro-town
i also think we're letting mayor leaf fly under the radar a bit? not really sure why she's getting a free-pass townlean in a lot of reads atm. she flipped her perspective of me pretty quickly (somewhere between #209 and #220)
epona - mafia lean, mostly because of this post and how quickly she wrote off trundle and antonio, both people who i think are mafia as of this moment. hard to know for sure because she continually gives me town mentality but wolf in sheeps clothing and all that, right?
epona - most likely town, just seems extremely aware of intentions and strategy so unsure if it's being used to enlighten or manipulate, tho so far seems harmless.
probably due to a low post count, especially in comparison to some others. Same way Bianca and such are getting a lot of nulls atm. (Not saying it's okay, just making the comment.)
After having looked over the Teddy+Kat convo again, it certainly seems weird to me and I'd be fairly confident in saying either one is mafia, but I'm a little wary on which way it actually would go. Kat seems bad for going on for way too long and asking so many questions, but Teddy's answers aren't looking the best either. I think it might be better to just keep an eye out for now.
This is what I was missing from you. That being said why be null on epona and Volt if it's painful? Something (I assume) is pinging you to call it painful and I'm not a fan of it being left unexplored.
It's not. When I say painful, I mean I wish I had an opinion. I feel like I should. But I don't. Also, yall aren't getting the full picture behind my Teddy pressure. It wasn't just trying to get info from the slot; hell, I don't know where I stand with him right now even. I was trying to get him involved in the game. He was active in other parts of the forum, and he seemed very receptionist cheery at the start of thread, so I wanted to break him in.
I realize this isn't my usual form. Yall are right in that I should focus on other people more, but I just don't know what to ask right now, or how to pressure it. And if I end up being the lynch for that, honestly? Fair. There isn't much better to go off of and I can see how that'd be seen as sus, esp when I'm not really bringing anything else to the table right now. I'll see if I can think of something but rn I'm still coming blank
It's not. When I say painful, I mean I wish I had an opinion. I feel like I should. But I don't. Also, yall aren't getting the full picture behind my Teddy pressure. It wasn't just trying to get info from the slot; hell, I don't know where I stand with him right now even. I was trying to get him involved in the game. He was active in other parts of the forum, and he seemed very receptionist cheery at the start of thread, so I wanted to break him in.
I realize this isn't my usual form. Yall are right in that I should focus on other people more, but I just don't know what to ask right now, or how to pressure it. And if I end up being the lynch for that, honestly? Fair. There isn't much better to go off of and I can see how that'd be seen as sus, esp when I'm not really bringing anything else to the table right now. I'll see if I can think of something but rn I'm still coming blank
why would you acquiesce your own lynch? it's statistically likely to have a mislynch on d1 (from a pure numbers perspective) but if you're town, why would you accept a move for you as a likely lynch candidate when there's still over 9 hours left in the day?
this is either really disappointing apathy or a poorly masked tactic
why would you acquiesce your own lynch? it's statistically likely to have a mislynch on d1 (from a pure numbers perspective) but if you're town, why would you accept a move for you as a likely lynch candidate when there's still over 9 hours left in the day?
this is either really disappointing apathy or a poorly masked tactic
I'm just saying I see the logic in it as it stands. I'm not offering a defense because the criticism is valid, and I'm not just gonna sit here and be like "yall should lynch not me" because that's stupid and unhelpful, and if I'm gonna say that, I better have someone in mind. And... I don't.
I would vote for any within (DinoTown, epona, Arstotzkan, voltairenism) today, which is a big range I will likely narrow down. I think there could potentially be 2 mafia in that list.
I'm at the same pool if you replace DinoTown with Bianca. I'm just not sold on Dinotown being scum yet because she's more or less elaborating on the points brought up against her now that some of the overdefending has blown over but I would like to know where they stand in terms of their suspect pool since my time for the phase is about over. The other three I've explained. I've looked ahead and epona posted so I'm dedicating some energy to that.
I'm at the same pool if you replace DinoTown with Bianca. I'm just not sold on Dinotown being scum yet because she's more or less elaborating on the points brought up against her now that some of the overdefending has blown over but I would like to know where they stand in terms of their suspect pool since my time for the phase is about over. The other three I've explained. I've looked ahead and epona posted so I'm dedicating some energy to that.
with respect this is kind of a lot of nothing. my comments on antonio (a whole 10 pages ago) were a very preliminary townlean (i.e. nothing about them struck me as sus at that point and it was more in response to arstotzkhan singling him out for FoSing you and trundle than anything else) and weren't presented as a concrete townread at all. this lean was pretty flexible and i've since changed my mind on it
i don't think i was ganging up on dinotown, i just find her incessant focus on talking about herself and her mannerisms tiresome and counter-productive. at first i found it suspicious and i pressed on that; i'm still not townleaning on her at all but as the discussion has moved on and we've explored other avenues it's taken a backseat for me. not against re-visiting it though. i disagree with you saying the newbie card isn't being played
it's comments like this that are putting me off. if you think something is weird then come out and say it with your chest instead of copping out with an 'is that commonplace? am i right?' at the end, effectively hiding behind 'inexperience' and looking for some sort of reassurance or validation of your thoughts. ok fine she's only played one forum mafia game but it was a pretty long and meaty game, and apart from volt i don't see anybody else using being new to forum mafia as an excuse to put out half-baked contributions and then retreat behind 'but i could be wrong because i'm just new!' but correct me if i'm wrong about that
to be honest i think dinotown has contributed very little to the discussion so far apart from talking about herself and how she talks too much and her sleeping pattern, and she's getting away with it because there was heat on her in the beginning so people are willing to let her take more of a backseat now
again, not definitively scumreading her at the moment but i don't feel confident that she's town at all at this stage
finally, i didn't back off a trundle townread, i've maintained pretty consistently that i personally have no reason to believe he's not town, all i said was that i wasn't townlocking him that early in the game.
i'd like to see more evidence on why people are scumreading Arsotzkhan beyond her interaction with teddy. ideally i'd like for us to be as unified as possible when it comes to lynching today but i'm not comfortable with an arsotzkhan wagon at the moment
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i'm getting the feeling you think this sort of honesty about how little you're contributing is refreshing and makes you seem more transparent and pro-town but it's pretty annoying
Literally every game someone says I say a whole lot of nothing but forgive me if I'm tilted by it because a lot of scum in the last game here used it against me to get me lynched. Obviously it's of substance if you had this much to respond to. My suspicion that you were ganging up on DinoTown just...stands because you jumped onto that sus when everyone else was doing and it tends to make me consider, if I do not think that person was being overly scummy, that someone was testing if the person can become a wagon or not.
You've voiced your opinion on Kat but I look forward to seeing who it is you do want to wagon.
It's been awhile since I played mafia (2 years?) and I forgot how time consuming this is :/
as of writing this, I'm on my second time rereading the thread and forming reads in my head but I need to address these posts-
This post is confusion. The first sentence, and especially the bolded phrase doesn't make sense to me. Can you please paraphrase it to clarify what you meant?
Again please help explain what you meant by the bolded sentence. Also I think it goes without saying that some players will die in a game of mafia.
This post is confusion. The first sentence, and especially the bolded phrase doesn't make sense to me. Can you please paraphrase it to clarify what you meant? After peon said I was not helping I posted my report on what I think of everyone, and some start believing I was mafia, that's what I was trying to say.
Am I the only one who thinks this comment is... off? 'Cause it makes me feel off. I'm not sure what being awake has to do with anything (but I could just be being stupid), more importantly, the whole "wait and see" thing has just... basically given mafia a good reason to leave Teddy alive to cast more suspicion over 'em. At that point Antonio said I was scum, and I believe he is, what I meant by that is that mafia do actions during the night cycle, so they are awake and get to know how is on their team. So I think Antonio is mafia, so that's why I say that, when they decided on their night action, if I am mafia as they think I am, they will find out during this cycle. In werewolves you awake at night when you are one, that's where my phrase comes from.
Seroja's readslist is a towny one and I don't have the energy to explain why, a lack of confidence in a way that doesn't feel driven towards any one particular wagon. I'm not with them when it comes to reading Kat/Teddy as w/w because I don't think that is theatrics because if it is that's elaborate. I might go into more detail when Seroja goes into more detail (ISOs?). Not for the rest of this day phase unfortunately.
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