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I won't post all the details, since it's never useful and my answers are never good enough.
But if anyone has a an interest, I will be more than happy to answer all your questions, to the best of my ability.
these new reads aren't consistent with your previous reads, please explain the changes. don't be afraid to post your thoughts. if you're town, you have nothing to hide and you need to try your best to solve the game
1 person dying last night does not mean that KP was at 2 and then fell to one with Kat’s death
Seroja was most likely killed because she was one of the most productive players. don’t necessarily think it was to frame you
again, i can’t say why volt acted the way they did. but it seems that you said you hoped Mr Clean was in the game and the player replied so. do you not think volt and I are Mr Clean? no ones counter claimed, so that means it can’t be anyone else. that would mean he took the risk of being counter claimed, and for what benefit? and if you do think i’m mr clean, do you think my role name is maf aligned?
what about my read on you was unoriginal. please show me posts that state you are scum because of reasons i stated that were posted before me. i agree with epona seroja mayor and geo that we shouldn’t be claiming names because it’s pointless, not because i’m copying them. not all of them even scum read you (or at least didn’t say it). what points have i been sheeping
what’s your reads on epona teddy and geo? why them?
If the are 2 mafia members, that means there are 10 people against them at the start of the game. That seems unbalanced compared to 9-3.
You could be right about Seroja but there are obviously more productive players, why not go for you, Dad, Trundle, or even Epona for the matter. Why do you think Seroja voted off? Give me your best guess, not an idk.
Of course, Volt did actually claim he was Mister Clean right after I mentioned it as a joke which was either the truth or a convenient lie. So, are you Mister Clean or was Volt lying? You seem alittle vague with that paragraph so it makes me assume you haven't even look back. While you can not speak for Volt, you do share the same role so you atleast provide an assumption regarding their actions since you know them better then we do.
You just said it, the claiming role names. If that is enough to sus me due to unhelpfulness towards town, I should have been killed off last game for what i did to Trundle/Punchy.
Epona for them quoting me and misinterpreting what I am conveying. I believe what I have been saying is quite clear but them misquoting me and susing me on the misquote isn't helpful. Please attempt to understand what I am conveying.
Teddy for assuming I am confident which I don't understand. I'm autistic so there is no tone coming through my posts unless I have emojis/caps in the post.
Geoni is barely scum, as stated before. He more close to null then scum, along with Trundle. I would like to hear what he said.
i swear i'm not wilfully trying to not understand you i literally just don't
but either way, can you explain the contradiction? summarising the bolded points below
> assume kat is mafia
> the janitor role is most-likely mafia-aligned
> there would've been no benefit for mafia to block kat from flipping if she were mafia
If the are 2 mafia members, that means there are 10 people against them at the start of the game. That seems unbalanced compared to 9-3.
You could be right about Seroja but there are obviously more productive players, why not go for you, Dad, Trundle, or even Epona for the matter. Why do you think Seroja voted off? Give me your best guess, not an idk.
Of course, Volt did actually claim he was Mister Clean right after I mentioned it as a joke which was either the truth or a convenient lie. So, are you Mister Clean or was Volt lying? You seem alittle vague with that paragraph so it makes me assume you haven't even look back. While you can not speak for Volt, you do share the same role so you atleast provide an assumption regarding their actions since you know them better then we do.
You just said it, the claiming role names. If that is enough to sus me due to unhelpfulness towards town, I should have been killed off last game for what i did to Trundle/Punchy.
mafia could have a different wincon or there is 2 scum that can kill and a TP infector that slowly kills (or the other way around). Toads outside said people are getting infected. seroja couldn't have died from infection so she had to have been killed. a killer and an infector on the same team is possible but i don't think that's the case. so in this case Kat could have been mafia and there is a killer and infector left. she could also be town but she probably isn't third party
i don't think there was a single person that stated their sus on seroja. seroja being the most townread and productive player makes a logical kill. I'm being sussed for my past slots actions and geo, trundle, and epona are suspected by at least a few people. they couldve also been blue sniping (with a shortened list thanks to all the role claims)
what reason would volt have for lying about being Mr Clean. I didn't think I would need to confirm it again (i even posted a Mr Clean meme) but yes I am Mr Clean. You think Donald Trump and Mr Clean are on the same team then? What theme is that? (There is no pattern it doesn't matter) Ive commented on this whole game so of course ive read everything
you weren't lynched last game because though you were one of the most harmful town with your heated arguments and early mason claim, mog cleared you. note that maf chose to kill mog first over you, just saying
these new reads aren't consistent with your previous reads, please explain the changes. don't be afraid to post your thoughts. if you're town, you have nothing to hide and you need to try your best to solve the game
Epona: After analyzing all possible kills, Seroja was the only one that would make Epona a townie, it doesn't make sense that she would like her gone, and with that change, basically all my theories were dismissed, that's why I wanted to wait, until now to make an accurate prediction. I saw Antonio and Epona as a team, but now that change, I still believe Antonio to be scum, and as we posted more and more, their opinions started to distance, so more points to Epona.
Bianca is constantly appearing in the list of others, so I can ignore that.
Damniel, you have skeletons in your closet, that were here before you appeared, and it makes the most sense to me for you to be mafia.
Dino still doesn't fit here or there, so that's null for me.
Trundle made it clear I'm the most townie noob ever in existence, which gives me a handicap because, I won't be targeted by mafia so early, I'm too easy of a kill. So the way I see it, that is pro-town.
Mayor Leaf: just a hunch, but a strong one.
Antonio: Still doubting that he is town. Something that they said about their role not having actions during the night, made me realize that it doesn't mean that besides voting, they don't have an additional action during the day. Visiting others to infect them, or maybe erasing evidence.
Also, before your comment right now, I didn't know you we're autistic, but some words you used made me feel that way, If I offended you or made you feel uncomfortable, I'm deeply sorry, it was never my intention.
Epona for them quoting me and misinterpreting what I am conveying. I believe what I have been saying is quite clear but them misquoting me and susing me on the misquote isn't helpful. Please attempt to understand what I am conveying.
Teddy for assuming I am confident which I don't understand. I'm autistic so there is no tone coming through my posts unless I have emojis/caps in the post.
i don't think epona is misinterpreting you at all. your logic is beyond flawed and just because she read the OP and doesn't agree with you doesn't mean she's scum for that
same for teddy. just because he scum read you doesn't mean he's scum himself. this is such a weak read
> assume kat is mafia
> the janitor role is most-likely mafia-aligned
> there would've been no benefit for mafia to block kat from flipping if she were mafia
You also need to factor in that I am mafia in this particular scenario. There are 3 mafias, with one of them being Kat, me, and a Third person. One of us is a Janitor. If Kat, who is mafia, was going to be lynched, why would I withheld such information if I was mafia? I could've used her scum flip to gather town sympathy for me. If Kat was Mafia, their could be no way we are connected.
You also need to factor in that I am mafia in this particular scenario. There are 3 mafias, with one of them being Kat, me, and a Third person. One of us is a Janitor. If Kat, who is mafia, was going to be lynched, why would I withheld such information if I was mafia? I could've used her scum flip to gather town sympathy for me. If Kat was Mafia, their could be no way we are connected.
You also need to factor in that I am mafia in this particular scenario. There are 3 mafias, with one of them being Kat, me, and a Third person. One of us is a Janitor. If Kat, who is mafia, was going to be lynched, why would I withheld such information if I was mafia? I could've used her scum flip to gather town sympathy for me. If Kat was Mafia, their could be no way we are connected.
not knowing what kat flipped is overall helpful to maf since we don't know if she's actually maf so her interactions can't be traced back. and what about the third mafia in this case? you say that you could try to benefit from kat's red flip (even though geo and trundle were the first ones to start it so i really don't think you could clear yourself for it), yet choosing not to use the janitor power would mean the third mafia would have to find away to also benefit from a red flip. for 3 people it creates too many ties so that's why its just easier to leave no flip
Epona: After analyzing all possible kills, Seroja was the only one that would make Epona a townie, it doesn't make sense that she would like her gone, and with that change, basically all my theories were dismissed, that's why I wanted to wait, until now to make an accurate prediction. I saw Antonio and Epona as a team, but now that change, I still believe Antonio to be scum, and as we posted more and more, their opinions started to distance, so more points to Epona.
idk how to defend myself here what exactly have I done (not just volt) that makes me scum. also with your logic that epona is town because seroja townread her and epona would kill her, seroja has also defended me and my logic. wouldn't that mean both epona and I are town because seroja town read us?
Trundle made it clear I'm the most townie noob ever in existence, which gives me a handicap because, I won't be targeted by mafia so early, I'm too easy of a kill. So the way I see it, that is pro-town.
i don't really see it as alignment telling tbh. trundle is probably just noob clearing you (which i don't think is a safe idea) but if anything, calling you very noonish just downplays the reads you've already made and knocks down your confidence in the game
You could be right about Seroja but there are obviously more productive players, why not go for you, Dad, Trundle, or even Epona for the matter. Why do you think Seroja voted off? Give me your best guess, not an idk.
mafia could have a different wincon or there is 2 scum that can kill and a TP infector that slowly kills (or the other way around). Toads outside said people are getting infected. seroja couldn't have died from infection so she had to have been killed. a killer and an infector on the same team is possible but i don't think that's the case. so in this case Kat could have been mafia and there is a killer and infector left. she could also be town but she probably isn't third party
i don't think there was a single person that stated their sus on seroja. seroja being the most townread and productive player makes a logical kill. I'm being sussed for my past slots actions and geo, trundle, and epona are suspected by at least a few people. they couldve also been blue sniping (with a shortened list thanks to all the role claims)
what reason would volt have for lying about being Mr Clean. I didn't think I would need to confirm it again (i even posted a Mr Clean meme) but yes I am Mr Clean. You think Donald Trump and Mr Clean are on the same team then? What theme is that? (There is no pattern it doesn't matter) Ive commented on this whole game so of course ive read everything
you weren't lynched last game because though you were one of the most harmful town with your heated arguments and early mason claim, mog cleared you. note that maf chose to kill mog first over you, just saying
True, there are tons of possibilities but those are not common. Of course, Janitor isn't either. I was making a case that Kat was mafia based on math regarding total user count and current scum KP and how we aren't connected based on previous games and their setups.
Regarding others, I'm not sure. I don't understand the reason behind why they are voted because I don't know. However, Toad said their was no correlation with role names and power so why would they attempt to blue snip?
The reason being is was convenient at the time to just magically claim the role after I mention it would be a waster oppurtinity if it wasn't in the game. The convience mattered, your person didn't have to claim because there was no reason for it. If you are Mr. Clean as you say, then you wouldn't be scum aligned due to the pattern which I agree with. However, there's still the lack of certainty due to the person you replaced behavior.
Mog didn't clear me till day 3. Even then, I was anti-town. How is that different between now?/
not knowing what kat flipped is overall helpful to maf since we don't know if she's actually maf so her interactions can't be traced back. and what about the third mafia in this case? you say that you could try to benefit from kat's red flip (even though geo and trundle were the first ones to start it so i really don't think you could clear yourself for it), yet choosing not to use the janitor power would mean the third mafia would have to find away to also benefit from a red flip. for 3 people it creates too many ties so that's why its just easier to leave no flip
Yes but by keeping the information hidden, it would leave sus on me regarding role claims which could lead to me being voted off, leaving only one mafia member left to defend for themselves. If Kat role was shown, it could lead to people perceive my behavior as town motivated, leaving 2 mafias in the game, with one have town favor.
i don't think epona is misinterpreting you at all. your logic is beyond flawed and just because she read the OP and doesn't agree with you doesn't mean she's scum for that
same for teddy. just because he scum read you doesn't mean he's scum himself. this is such a weak read
My logic isn't flawed, it's backed up by math and the usual standard on the forums. It makes sense.
Teddy isn't scum because he scum reads me (now you are misinterpreting things), he's scum because he assumes there is a confident coming from me which there isn't. Mixed that with his lack to provide insight early in the game and boom, ya got it!
Regarding others, I'm not sure. I don't understand the reason behind why they are voted because I don't know. However, Toad said their was no correlation with role names and power so why would they attempt to blue snip?
The reason being is was convenient at the time to just magically claim the role after I mention it would be a waster oppurtinity if it wasn't in the game. The convience mattered, your person didn't have to claim because there was no reason for it. If you are Mr. Clean as you say, then you wouldn't be scum aligned due to the pattern which I agree with. However, there's still the lack of certainty due to the person you replaced behavior.
Mog didn't clear me till day 3. Even then, I was anti-town. How is that different between now?/
"On top of that, I tend to take liberties with role names. While some people like to deduce a person's alignment by their role claim, I highly dissuade from doing this as I make a weird story in all this."
you keep trying to claim that there's a pattern between role name and alignment but toads literally says don't do this. you can also blue snip without role names by going off of behavior
so if volt and I lied, that means Mr Clean is not in this game at all, do you think that? You seem to really emphasize role names so tell me why Mr Clean is less likely to be in the game than a bird or Trump. if i were to rationalize volt's name claim, they were new and didn't know better. epona, dino, teddy, and bianca have also claimed their names, but you don't find those as oppurunisitic as you do volt's name claim
you claimed mason and to lynch a claimed mason is dumb. players even stated they thought the other mason wasn't claiming yet because they were too embarrassed for you (which was true). you were harmful to town but that mason claim was saving you, its not here
idk how to defend myself here what exactly have I done (not just volt) that makes me scum. also with your logic that epona is town because seroja townread her and epona would kill her, seroja has also defended me and my logic. wouldn't that mean both epona and I are town because seroja town read us?
Volt was the opposite end from Epona, now that I change my mind about her, it only makes sense that your are now one of my main concerns. At least for me.
i don't really see it as alignment telling tbh. trundle is probably just noob clearing you (which i don't think is a safe idea) but if anything, calling you very noonish just downplays the reads you've already made and knocks down your confidence in the game
There is one message I posted that will tell you why this is a good thing for the town. won't tell you which one, since it will be too simple. And even though you guys don't liked them, I do love me some riddles and secret messages.
Anyways, I will try to help more, I don't want to feel like I'm on the outside, looking in.
Yes but by keeping the information hidden, it would leave sus on me regarding role claims which could lead to me being voted off, leaving only one mafia member left to defend for themselves. If Kat role was shown, it could lead to people perceive my behavior as town motivated, leaving 2 mafias in the game, with one have town favor.
lack of a maf flip prevents complete world building. that alone is a valid reason why maf would use a janitor action. also its possible that Kat's lack of flip is due to her having a passive role, which she couldn't control
Volt was the opposite end from Epona, now that I change my mind about her, it only makes sense that your are now one of my main concerns. At least for me.
this doesn't answer what i asked. seroja directly supported me and (to you) indirectly supports epona. but epona is town because she wouldn't kill someone who town read her, but I would? and again, what have I done that is scummy, not just volt
"On top of that, I tend to take liberties with role names. While some people like to deduce a person's alignment by their role claim, I highly dissuade from doing this as I make a weird story in all this."
you keep trying to claim that there's a pattern between role name and alignment but toads literally says don't do this. you can also blue snip without role names by going off of behavior
so if volt and I lied, that means Mr Clean is not in this game at all, do you think that? You seem to really emphasize role names so tell me why Mr Clean is less likely to be in the game than a bird or Trump. if i were to rationalize volt's name claim, they were new and didn't know better. epona, dino, teddy, and bianca have also claimed their names, but you don't find those as oppurunisitic as you do volt's name claim
you claimed mason and to lynch a claimed mason is dumb. players even stated they thought the other mason wasn't claiming yet because they were too embarrassed for you (which was true). you were harmful to town but that mason claim was saving you, its not here
You know what, this ****ing pisses me off. The fact that you state people were embrassed for me is extremely disrespectful. No one here trusts me whenever I play and scum always downplays my effort. The fact that you state people feel embarrassed for me literally breaks my heart and I refuse to participate in a game. I thought this was supposed to be a caring community but all we have here are people who are extremely disrespectful. I have been depressed for days now and then you come and state that everyone mocks me when I am trying my best. I can't play this game ever game because I can't handle such things so I'm going to get modkilled and take whatever comes along.
Ya know what, no. I'm not posting my role. Toad worked hard on this game and I am not going to ruin it because you decide to be an *******. @toadsworthy, can you find me a replacement. I'm done.
You know what, this ****ing pisses me off. The fact that you state people were embrassed for me is extremely disrespectful. No one here trusts me whenever I play and scum always downplays my effort. The fact that you state people feel embarrassed for me literally breaks my heart and I refuse to participate in a game. I thought this was supposed to be a caring community but all we have here are people who are extremely disrespectful. I have been depressed for days now and then you come and state that everyone mocks me when I am trying my best. I can't play this game ever game because I can't handle such things so I'm going to get modkilled and take whatever comes along.
Ya know what, no. I'm not posting my role. Toad worked hard on this game and I am not going to ruin it because you decide to be an *******. @toadsworthy, can you find me a replacement. I'm done.
Antonio please don't. don't feel like that, again if I ever said anything to offend you, I'm sorry, it was never my intention. But don't go like that, I honestly think the TBT is an awesome community, and it hurts me that I was part of making you think otherwise.
I feel like I'm not fitting in, but I not letting it affect my experience. Not because most say you are wrong it means you are, if you honestly want to quit I will respect your decision, but please don't go leaving, thinking I have something against you.
Again so sorry for making you feel this way.
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I don't want you to go like this. I honestly don't.
