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Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

2 scum teams would be interesting but i’m guessing that the scum team can kill and that there’s an infector TP with their own agenda
 
if there is an alone TP infector then i don’t know how likely that kat would also be TP. but this setup is probably such a mess that i won’t be thinking to much of the setup for now and just keep my suspicions on antonio dino and bianca
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Geoni said:
Tier list is where I left off and like... looking at this page.

Antonio why are you pushing the angle that I am scum because I said that was a janitor it's usually night but it's the only role I know that makes things flipless unless for some reason Kat's role was meant not to flip when dying

Least to most scummy

Teddy
MayorLeaf
bellaccount
Seroja
Trundle
Dino
Antonio
epona
Dan
Bianca
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can you go back and explain these reads. unclear of your thoughts on mayorleaf bell and antonio
 
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Just to make a statement, this game has 12 players. We can assume that there is a total of 3 mafia in total while there being 8-9 town players with a possibility of 1 third party player. If there was 2 mafia, the game would be unbalanced, with Town having the upper hand. So, we can assume there are three mafia members.

However, there was only one person killed last night. If there are three mafia member, that means they have 2KP. However, if Kat was mafia then her being killed off would mean they lose a KP, which would make sense due to only one person being voted off. We can also come to the conclusion that mafia only having 1KP would be unbalanced for them as well with at least 9-10 people against them. Therefore, we can assume Kat was mafia.

So, why am I mentioning all of this? Well, if there is a Janitor in the game then they're most likely mafia aligned. It would be useless for a Town/3rd party to be Janitor and block such useful information Day 1, especially since early information can help them in the long run. That means most likely, the Janitor or whoever blocked the such information is aligned with Mafia.

Now then, If I was mafia then why would I block such vital information that could give me town credit. If Kat was Mafia, I would have prefer her to flip Mafia and receive town reads from the Town rather than keep the role a secret. Let's not forget what I posted above.
Let's also not forget Mafia Roles are usually mentioned by the Host in the beginning of a quick topic so if I was mafia, i would be aware of a Janitor and usually all Mafia-powers are discussed in the chat so there is a mutual decision regarding using these powers. There would've been no benefit for me or mafia to block such information.

So, why mention this now? I believe there is a push from Mafia to get me voted off for the day and I would not allow it. As stated previously, I am against being voted off but would vote myself off to prove a point and I stick by that statement. However, I do believe mafia is out for me. One reason that supports my belief is the vote off @Seroja. They were one of the few vocal people who believed I was Town. Lynching them would limit the voices who back me up, making it easier to push me for lynch. I refuse to let this happen without a fight.

So, who do I think is scum?
Damniel/Epona with a possibility the third person being Dad/Teddy/Trundle, mainly Teddy with Dad/Trundle being a very very light lean towards scum. I would prefer we vote of Damniel for the day. Just because Damniel appears more Townie doesn't excuse who he replaced (I forgot the name) behavior. Why would he claim "Mr. Clean" when it was somehow relevant? There were other reasons that person was sus, but I don't remember them. I also believe Damniel coming in and repeat what others have said regarding me isn't helpful to the overall game, it only maintains sus suspicion from the town about me which can only Mafia motivated. However, I would like to hear other people opinion about others before we make such a push. We still have 48 hours.

Sadly, I have other matters to attend to on the forum/other sites/IRL at the moment so I can't promise to be as active as I have been for the rest of the day. However, I'll still be on the forums doing trades and such so I may come by and reply. If not though, y'all have a nice day!
BTW for the newbies, if you are concern about my math calculations, here are my calculations:

Every 7 people = 2 Mafia
Every 2 Mafia = 1KP

Please be aware that remainders still count towards it.

14 players game = 4 mafia. 12 player game most likely means 3 Mafia.
3 Mafia member is 2KP while 2 mafia Member = 1KP.

This applies to a lot of games in the past, btw.
 
Antonio said:
Just to make a statement, this game has 12 players. We can assume that there is a total of 3 mafia in total while there being 8-9 town players with a possibility of 1 third party player. If there was 2 mafia, the game would be unbalanced, with Town having the upper hand. So, we can assume there are three mafia members.

However, there was only one person killed last night. If there are three mafia member, that means they have 2KP. However, if Kat was mafia then her being killed off would mean they lose a KP, which would make sense due to only one person being voted off. We can also come to the conclusion that mafia only having 1KP would be unbalanced for them as well with at least 9-10 people against them. Therefore, we can assume Kat was mafia.

So, why am I mentioning all of this? Well, if there is a Janitor in the game then they're most likely mafia aligned. It would be useless for a Town/3rd party to be Janitor and block such useful information Day 1, especially since early information can help them in the long run. That means most likely, the Janitor or whoever blocked the such information is aligned with Mafia.

Now then, If I was mafia then why would I block such vital information that could give me town credit. If Kat was Mafia, I would have prefer her to flip Mafia and receive town reads from the Town rather than keep the role a secret. Let's not forget what I posted above.
Let's also not forget Mafia Roles are usually mentioned by the Host in the beginning of a quick topic so if I was mafia, i would be aware of a Janitor and usually all Mafia-powers are discussed in the chat so there is a mutual decision regarding using these powers. There would've been no benefit for me or mafia to block such information.

So, why mention this now? I believe there is a push from Mafia to get me voted off for the day and I would not allow it. As stated previously, I am against being voted off but would vote myself off to prove a point and I stick by that statement. However, I do believe mafia is out for me. One reason that supports my belief is the vote off @Seroja. They were one of the few vocal people who believed I was Town. Lynching them would limit the voices who back me up, making it easier to push me for lynch. I refuse to let this happen without a fight.

So, who do I think is scum?
Damniel/Epona with a possibility the third person being Dad/Teddy/Trundle, mainly Teddy with Dad/Trundle being a very very light lean towards scum. I would prefer we vote of Damniel for the day. Just because Damniel appears more Townie doesn't excuse who he replaced (I forgot the name) behavior. Why would he claim "Mr. Clean" when it was somehow relevant? There were other reasons that person was sus, but I don't remember them. I also believe Damniel coming in and repeat what others have said regarding me isn't helpful to the overall game, it only maintains sus suspicion from the town about me which can only Mafia motivated. However, I would like to hear other people opinion about others before we make such a push. We still have 48 hours.

Sadly, I have other matters to attend to on the forum/other sites/IRL at the moment so I can't promise to be as active as I have been for the rest of the day. However, I'll still be on the forums doing trades and such so I may come by and reply. If not though, y'all have a nice day!
BTW for the newbies, if you are concern about my math calculations, here are my calculations:

Every 7 people = 2 Mafia
Every 2 Mafia = 1KP

Please be aware that remainders still count towards it.

14 players game = 4 mafia. 12 player game most likely means 3 Mafia.
3 Mafia member is 2KP while 2 mafia Member = 1KP.

This applies to a lot of games in the past, btw.
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the bulk of this post rests on your calculations of a KP to mafia ratio and then a subsequent assumption following on from that that kat was mafia

toadsworthy said:
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- Mafia KP is determined by the roles left in the game and NOT by the general rule of remaining players / 2 = yada yada
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this is the second instance of you just choosing to ignore what has been stated by toads in his OP because it doesn't fit your personal solving agenda


also (i might be wrong here it's 2am and i'm tired and the way your post is written is confusing me) but are you not contradicting yourself? you're saying kat was mafia, but then saying that if you were mafia you wouldn't block her from flipping when she was lynched and there would be no benefit for mafia to block that information, but then you also say that the janitor role is mafia aligned

that makes literally no sense


anyway i'm going to bed i'll post a readslist in the morning
 
I also recommended you read the entire thing, word for word because I feel like you didn't read it due to not looking at the calculations part.
 
epona said:
the bulk of this post rests on your calculations of a KP to mafia ratio and then a subsequent assumption following on from that that kat was mafia



this is the second instance of you just choosing to ignore what has been stated by toads in his OP because it doesn't fit your personal solving agenda


also (i might be wrong here it's 2am and i'm tired and the way your post is written is confusing me) but are you not contradicting yourself? you're saying kat was mafia, but then saying that if you were mafia you wouldn't block her from flipping when she was lynched and there would be no benefit for mafia to block that information, but then you also say that the janitor role is mafia aligned

that makes literally no sense


anyway i'm going to bed i'll post a readslist in the morning
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Yes, but if the game started with 3 mafia and one died during day, that leaves them with only 2 people and 1KP hence why only one person died.
 
toadsworthy said:
Mafia KP is determined by the roles left in the game and NOT by the general rule of remaining players / 2 = yada yada
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1 person dying last night does not mean that KP was at 2 and then fell to one with Kat’s death

Seroja was most likely killed because she was one of the most productive players. don’t necessarily think it was to frame you

again, i can’t say why volt acted the way they did. but it seems that you said you hoped Mr Clean was in the game and the player replied so. do you not think volt and I are Mr Clean? no ones counter claimed, so that means it can’t be anyone else. that would mean he took the risk of being counter claimed, and for what benefit? and if you do think i’m mr clean, do you think my role name is maf aligned?

what about my read on you was unoriginal. please show me posts that state you are scum because of reasons i stated that were posted before me. i agree with epona seroja mayor and geo that we shouldn’t be claiming names because it’s pointless, not because i’m copying them. not all of them even scum read you (or at least didn’t say it). what points have i been sheeping

what’s your reads on epona teddy and geo? why them?
 
i expect this will be the norm but epona beats me to the punch

only thing i think you missed is that if mafia lose a second kp from kat rip then they shouldnt want kat to rip just for town cred, the whole thing doesnt fit together at all
 
bell account said:
ive only ever seen something like that in the smas setup is it really whats done here
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I have been playing this game for years here now, it's the standard. Unless Toad made this game extremely unbalanced for mafia, my calculations should be right.
 
Antonio said:
Just to make a statement, this game has 12 players. We can assume that there is a total of 3 mafia in total while there being 8-9 town players with a possibility of 1 third party player. If there was 2 mafia, the game would be unbalanced, with Town having the upper hand. So, we can assume there are three mafia members.

However, there was only one person killed last night. If there are three mafia member, that means they have 2KP. However, if Kat was mafia then her being killed off would mean they lose a KP, which would make sense due to only one person being voted off. We can also come to the conclusion that mafia only having 1KP would be unbalanced for them as well with at least 9-10 people against them. Therefore, we can assume Kat was mafia.

So, why am I mentioning all of this? Well, if there is a Janitor in the game then they're most likely mafia aligned. It would be useless for a Town/3rd party to be Janitor and block such useful information Day 1, especially since early information can help them in the long run. That means most likely, the Janitor or whoever blocked the such information is aligned with Mafia.

Now then, If I was mafia then why would I block such vital information that could give me town credit. If Kat was Mafia, I would have prefer her to flip Mafia and receive town reads from the Town rather than keep the role a secret. Let's not forget what I posted above.
Let's also not forget Mafia Roles are usually mentioned by the Host in the beginning of a quick topic so if I was mafia, i would be aware of a Janitor and usually all Mafia-powers are discussed in the chat so there is a mutual decision regarding using these powers. There would've been no benefit for me or mafia to block such information.

So, why mention this now? I believe there is a push from Mafia to get me voted off for the day and I would not allow it. As stated previously, I am against being voted off but would vote myself off to prove a point and I stick by that statement. However, I do believe mafia is out for me. One reason that supports my belief is the vote off @Seroja. They were one of the few vocal people who believed I was Town. Lynching them would limit the voices who back me up, making it easier to push me for lynch. I refuse to let this happen without a fight.

So, who do I think is scum?
Damniel/Epona with a possibility the third person being Dad/Teddy/Trundle, mainly Teddy with Dad/Trundle being a very very light lean towards scum. I would prefer we vote of Damniel for the day. Just because Damniel appears more Townie doesn't excuse who he replaced (I forgot the name) behavior. Why would he claim "Mr. Clean" when it was somehow relevant? There were other reasons that person was sus, but I don't remember them. I also believe Damniel coming in and repeat what others have said regarding me isn't helpful to the overall game, it only maintains sus suspicion from the town about me which can only Mafia motivated. However, I would like to hear other people opinion about others before we make such a push. We still have 48 hours.

Sadly, I have other matters to attend to on the forum/other sites/IRL at the moment so I can't promise to be as active as I have been for the rest of the day. However, I'll still be on the forums doing trades and such so I may come by and reply. If not though, y'all have a nice day!
BTW for the newbies, if you are concern about my math calculations, here are my calculations:

Every 7 people = 2 Mafia
Every 2 Mafia = 1KP

Please be aware that remainders still count towards it.

14 players game = 4 mafia. 12 player game most likely means 3 Mafia.
3 Mafia member is 2KP while 2 mafia Member = 1KP.

This applies to a lot of games in the past, btw.
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After tonights killing I'm pretty sure Epona is town. There is no sense in her killing Seroja, doesn't sit write with me, to the point that I'm 99.99% sure of this. I said her true colors would showed and I found them, she is clean.

Damniel and Mayor Leaf are my main suspects now, but since I'm just a noob unhelpful townie, take this with a grain of salt.
 
Antonio said:
Because 3 people usually means 2 KP. They can kill more than 1 player, it has happen before in a game with 11 people. Look at the calculations spoiler to understand the math.
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also it’s clear that theres an arson/infector in this game. how would that calculate into everything with this logic?
 
Antonio said:
Yes, but if the game started with 3 mafia and one died during day, that leaves them with only 2 people and 1KP hence why only one person died.
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that... does not address either of the two things i pointed out that are wrong with your post
 
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This is my list atm.
I won't post all the details, since it's never useful and my answers are never good enough.
But if anyone has a an interest, I will be more than happy to answer all your questions, to the best of my ability.

Bianca has been nothing but good to me since I met her, but this is a game, so I can put that here.
With my suspicions gone from Epona, Antonio moves to the middle, so does Dino.

little side note I'm having fun and I will be playing until I'm allowed to, but I also feel frustrated that I'm of no help to anyone.
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For me there is a mafia member still missing.
 
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