Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[Geoni]

I know right! but I totally agree with this point. Don't vote yourself which is what I did in my early games. It is not helpful to town.

and if you look at previous posts, you should know that our thinking on Kat is alike - there is a question on why she didn't care about the lynch?

@Damniel-so that's what happened with me ..I see volt as scummy but you came in and made justifications and made townies posts- am I just supposed to separate what happened with volt and you?

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that was random

If a replacement comes in and is a lot more towny than the person they replaced that tends to make me reread and consider that what the first person in the slot did may have been coming from a town perspective.

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I am not saying that he is mafia because he was left alive so long, but it's commonplace in mafia to raise an eye of suspicion at good players who make it a long time. I'm currently town reading him, but I just wanted to write that so I don't end up sheeping him the whole game, as I did last game with shawo.

Also WRT Geoni/Janitor, Antonio was not implying Geoni knew the role beforehand. You just misinterpreted Antonio's post. Just mentioning this now so it doesn't become another useless discussion in a sea of useless discussions.

Of course I'm going to be aggrevated by that line of thought on regards to me staying alive. It's not unhealthy to have that mindset but it prevents town working together if you're town.

You're not sheeping anyone unless you take a players word for something and base your voting entirely on that. We're coming to an eerie amount of mindmelding in that I sort almost everyone in your readslist the same but have to explore and feel confident that epona Bianca and Dino are all teamed given some posts made towards one another.

 

[Geoni]

Did you miss the part of the post where I said I didn't think Antonio was scum because I didn't think they'd be silly enough to do that intentionally?

You said he had TMI in that post which is what epona's thought is based on.

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Voting for Volt, in the grand scheme of things, likely wouldn't do much. I don't see many people coming to Volt's defense, actually, more likely my vote being the start of a wagon (assuming I'd be the first vote, given there currently are no votes for Volt.) considering what people have said about being okay to vote Volt. Maybe not a wagon big enough to cause a lynch with the Kat wagon to play, but still. Who voted Volt would be useful if a lynch did happen and Volt flipped town - especially if anyone chose to vote Volt because they didn't want to vote Kat (maf buddies trying to protect?). If Volt was lynched and flipped red, however, I'm not sure if I'd be able to pinpoint any notable interactions between other players as to who might be teamed up, since, like I said, no-one really seems to be particularly sided with Volt for much. If there was no lynch on Volt, I think who voted the same as me wouldn't be useful information until later into the game.

On the other hand, placing a vote for Kat is more likely to actually have a lynch at the end of it, considering that wagon has already started. If Kat flipped town, I think I would certainly need to give Teddy a good look. Some have mentioned that Teddy+Kat looks town/town but I am more convinced that it's two different sides there, at least currently. Teddy's reaction to a Kat lynch would, of course, be helpful in making this judgement. Similar with Geoni. If Kat flipped red, I think it would be much easier to pick out or rule out potential partners since Kat has been interacting with the rest of the player base significantly more than Volt has.

#341 checks out btw. I definitely disagree that volt woulda given no info and you only mention myself and Teddy as being worth the information that could be gained from a Kat lynch. Guess with you it's more a disagreement on Volt because one of the good aspects of matching up wagons is to see how consistent people are with their priorities.

 

[epona]

ok catching up and only on page 40 so sorry if this has been forgotten about by page 46 but can y'all not use the search function

seroja actually did townlean me fairly conclusively

Sorry I was actually writing this at work and halfway thru I had to leave for home. Iftar is in now so if this looks rushed, it is. Please feel free to poke at it and I will answer when I’m back after the night prayers.

Trundle - at first I kind of understand him being sus of Dino over her enthusiasm, but after hundreds of pages in (and many many explanation posts from her later) it starts to feel opportunistic to me especially because he didn't acknowledge nor address her replies to him. I also fail to see how post lengths are indicative of alignment without actually discussing the contents of said posts. Null because he hasn't really done anything outright sus, but definitely keeping a close eye on him.

Epona- probably my strongest town lean at the moment. Basically I like her posts and how she didn't leave no stone unturned and questioned everything that I probably would had I been here.

Dinotown- I could tell that you were genuinely trying to explain your enthusiasm but I guess the way it was said rubbed people off the wrong way. Your tone reads as genuine, but so far I haven't seen you contributing much to the discussions aside from answering questions directed at you. I agree with Antonio about you being too much on the defense, and would like to see more thoughts from you. Not enough for a town lean yet. Null.

Bell Account - Slight town-lean because their posts are very straightforward and to the point (it helps that I also agree with them). I especially like your comparison on Arstotskan and Epona because they don't read as calculative or manufactured. (Not commenting on the accuracy of the reads though)

Mayor Leaf - another town lean. More or less on the same reasoning as Epona.

Bianca- a wild card as always. Iirc being the first person to place a vote is usually a towntell but I'm not comfortable reading her based on this alone. And I didn't like how she was here but only replied to casual posts from Dino without commenting on any of the issues discussed at the time. I don't like writing it of as 'ohh it's the usual Bianca playstyle' either. Still need more posts from her. Also hi Bianca!!!

voltairenism - did they seem like they tried hard to come up with points to discuss? Yes they did. But I could see them doing this as either town or mafia so null for now.

Geoni - You’re the last in my iso so I’m not done yet but I’m posting this now to get the rest out. Allow me to post my read on you in a separate post. But basically getting town vibes from your posts so far.

Antonio - Null leaning town because Antonio's post are almost transparent to me. He seemed to post whatever was on his mind at the given time (which isn't necessarily a good thing because it could come as either parroting or sheeping others) I also think that as mafia he wouldn't try to stop the tunnelling on Dino (unless he is scumbuddy with her, which I highly doubt), and ask for the discussion to be on other players too. However, it would've been better if he had come up with points of discussion himself instead of asking others to do it.

Teddy345 - his cryptic posts confused me, and I agreed with Epona’s points about his playstyle not being protown, but at the same time I don’t see why he would post that way as mafia. It would be a bit too out there and I believe mafia always wants to appear as protown and as lowkey as possible. The reason why we encourage engagement and discussions is so that we will have content to look at when a player dies (also you might notice something that nobody else has). If you’re really town, even if you’re willing to die, don’t let your death be in vain.

Arstotzkhan - I don’t have a concrete read on Kat yet because she was here but also felt a bit distant from the discussions. I remember that even as a third party (who was arguably protown) she usually had something interesting to say. That seems to be missing in this game. When I saw the scumleans on her I entertained the thought of a Kat/Teddy team. What if she was coaching him but instead of doing it in the scumchat, she did that here? Anyway, null on her.

No scumleans yet because honestly nobody stood out as scum so far. I don’t like scumleaning peeps without suspicions .

honestly i'm only pointing it out at this point because it's annoying that you're all talkimg about it and nobody bothered to actually look for it. not really a good look for you teddy that you are so determined to townread me now but then couldn't actually go back to provide evidence for seroja's read when it's literally right there

 

[DinoTown]

You said he had TMI in that post which is what epona's thought is based on.

I said it is almost like TMI, it does kinda look like a case where Antonio looks like they knew something that a townie shouldn't. Epona believes that it was a case of TMI, while I think that Antonio as mafia would be smarter than to drop that on us, and it's just a very poor coincidence that Antonio is talking about what info we can get, where we end up with no info. It seems like a massive screw-up for a mafia member to go out of their way to put themselves in direct connection to a role like that - because Antonio asking for what we think about informative lynches as mafia would literally be asking who we wouldn't want wiped - and I want to give Antonio more credit as a player than that. I only pointed out that I could be entirely wrong, Epona was right and Antonio really did make that mess, but I find it hard to believe that they would.

 

[epona]

as promised, my reads:

town

epona - i am town. scumpona lmfao don't do me dirty like that

bell accont - feel pretty strong that bell accont is town. he hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise and this post at the end of n1 kind of affirmed it for me

you can also put seroja into town leans
we still dont have any flips so i havent had much need to reevaluate anything yet but ill definitely post another read list when its time

i can't think of any reason why he would pointedly put seroja into his town leans an hour before night ended if he was killing her. she was being townread by basically everybody anyway so he could have slipped under the radar by just not commenting on her at all so i don't think he knew she was going to die

he also seems to be contributing more as the game goes on so i'm holding out hope that he'll be quite helpful to us today

teddy - i'm townreading teddy, i would have to suspend my disbelief a LOT to see him as anything other than a vanilla, albeit eccentric, townie. the sudden flip from scumreading to townlocking me is a bit weird but i also don't really see how that rapid 180 would help him as mafia either, even if you buy into the suggestion that we're teamed

if teddy is mafia PLEASE share scumchat at endgame lmfao

null, ordered from most to least townleaning

trundle - i'm sticking to my logic at the beginning of the game that i don't think he'd do something as likely to spotlight attention onto himself immediately as scumreading dinotown for the enthusiastic tone of her first post. i do find him pretty hard to read so i'm not conclusively putting him in my town pile yet, but i just can't really construct a hypothetical scum team that has him on it. anyway i think his train of thought has been fairly consistent throughout the game so far

geoni - again, finding him difficult to read. i've actually played with him before (i think he's the only person in this game that i've been in a game with) but it was literally 6 years ago and it was also a very distinct setup so that's giving me absolutely zilch to go off one way or another. one thing i will say is that he and trundle are definitely steering town at the moment (i don't think it's intentional, but with kat gone they are the two most measured and experienced players) and there's too much acknowledged mindmelding going on for both of them to be scum. statistically i want to say it's likely that one of them is mafia, but i don't really want to overestimate the rand's ability to create a balanced scumteam with diverse capability level, lol. if one of them is scum it's geoni, not trundle, as far as i'm concerned

damniel - eh, i was scumreading volt but you've made valid points since coming in and replacing them. i don't think you'd have come in with such a strong and concrete post if they were scum. it doesn't read like damage control to me, more genuinely trying to show how volt's behaviour could have come from a town POV. that said, i can't just ignore everything volt did and the whole mr clean thing. either way i won't be voting you today cause i'm just not sure. i also agree with your reads on antonio so

mayor leaf - it's annoying how she's flitting back on forth on her reads on me with fmpov not enough concrete reasons to be so wishy washy about it. that said, that uncertainty seems townie to me. interesting how you made those manipulation comments about me (while townreading me btw), then went on to agree with me and basically just repeat what i said on a number of occasions:

- bianca and volt seem off to me. im on my phone so when i hop on my laptop i’ll submit my MLA format receipts. i agree with whoever made the comment (epona iirc) about how volt was the only person on biancas reads without any real push for town or mafia. makes sense to want distance.

i don't think the names really have anything to do with alignment. besides as epona mentioned, if the role names really had to do with alignment i highly doubt anyone would incriminate themselves like that.

ok but that's like saying "oh yea i'll do that tomorrow" and then you just keeping pushing it indefinitely. imo it's still a plea to not lynch them instead of offering new info on why to lynch someone? i just dont see many reasons not to lynch anyone at this stage, and it felt like a confident stance in not lynching him tonight.

^^ this was in reference to dinotown advocating for not lynching volt and wanting to wait til d2 to do it. i said that this was effectively defending volt from being lynched d1 and mayor leaf posted this after that

i agree with this, you're both pushing pretty hard against her and i think she could be town. i don't want to vote her but i like the way epona is framing her mislynch as a clue.

(oh my god can we shut up about roles though!!!!!!!!!!)

does anyone else get the feeling that bianca doesn’t really answer questions/contribute to sussing out mafia? could she be third party? shes given the weakest analysis of people by far and she’s more just not helpful than fishy like mafia. i mean that behavior def helps mafia but it’s just kinda all over the place and i cant seem to find any motivation.

bell and epona have both pointed out weird behavior with her that i agree with.

literally every second post in your ISO is agreeing with me / repeating something i've said / saying you like a point i made, but then as SOON as geoni put me high up on his tier list and trundle said he'd like to lynch me today, you suddenly decided i was scum. it seems really opportunistic to me. do you consider yourself a victim of my manipulation?? lol

scumleaning

bianca - agree with dan (i think?) that her frustration does seem authentic but it could also just be the result of digging herself into a hole and not actually being able to pull herself out of it so resorting to AtE. i HATE AtE playstyle bc i am a very logical / direct person and i think it's a cop out, so i'm not very sympathetic of it. hard to ignore the PR sniping in the exchange with teddy and just how scummy she's seemed all game. that said, i also still semi-stand by my theory that she and volt are on the same scumteam because of the inconsistency/discrepancy in her readslist where she said that basically everyone was potentially town/mafia except for volt who she just didn't comment on at all really. i'm now thinking volt's slot is townie since daniel came in so this weakens my scumlean on bianca, but not enough for her to be null. i would be good with her being lynched today

dinotown - i've been sus of dinotown since the beginning. like i said before, full transparency, but her playstyle is just kind of annoying to me so i could be biased that way. the over-reliance on her play in the last game really put me off at the beginning because i didn't see the relevance and it felt like it was contradicting itself to me bc she kept going on and on about how she played in the last game but then still kept hiding behind inexperience and i don't think you get to do both. didn't push for a counterwagon for volt, but neither did i so can't say too much about this. trying to ISO her as i write this but there's sooo many posts and a lot of them are pretty wishy-washy so idk where that will get me. she seems pretty defensive and replies to pretty much every post that mentions her but that could just be a personality thing. she entertained the idea of role names being relevant along with antonio and y'all know where i stand on that. what i said about antonio putting forward that question about what info could be gleaned from lynches kind of also applies to dinotown; she sort of latched onto that and used it as a justification for lynching kat:

I get that people have worries about the whole role name idea, but if we are being honest, now this idea has been brought up, it's going to linger until it's resolved. The best way, at least in my opinion, of handling this now that it's started is to let it play out and be proven incorrect. I certainly won't bother with it again if it's shown to be weak or incorrect. I doubt Antonio will either.

if you consider the above and assume that she's maf and knew that kat wouldn't flip, lynching kat (while maintaining that she's defo gonna lynch volt d2, just thinks kat will provide more info) just seems like a time-buying move to confuse and frustrate town in hindsight

because at the time, I was in the middle of making the point that role name claims tell us nothing, because it's not like we had a list of roles that said "The role called Boris Johnson is a role cop working for town". I claimed because Kat's initial claim at Trump seemed - and I still believe this could have been the case - as an attempt for us to back off voting that way because of the chance that a role called Trump would be a power role.

A couple more people did it around that, including Epona, who claimed while saying claiming was a bad idea, basically, that was weird...
But anyway, more people claimed and Antonio brought up the potential pattern. Toad's mention of role names not being helpful had gone from my mind until Epona brought it up again, and at that point, the idea of a theme was a thing. I did say multiple times that now that it was a thing, the best way to handle it was to let a lynch occur and once we see the first roles, that idea would sort itself out on its own.

It's quite possible mafia had the exact same sentiment, wiping Kat to avoid the whole idea being stamped out, since we still don't know if the Trump role (which is still a weird stand-out name amongst the other things, be honest) was actually a non-town role for certain. I think I'd be leaning towards third party or mafia but no-one knows for sure.

this is just more of the point that i made above and also seems to contradict itself. how were u making a point that role claims tell us nothing but then also believing that they tell us something. idk but at the same time she seems very wordy and when you have long verbose and inconcise posts you're bound to end up contradicting yourself without necessarily being scummy, so that's my main reason for not definitively scumreading

I'm saying that I find it very odd that Antonio talks specifically about voting for who gets us the most information and encourages us to discuss what info can be gotten from what vote, and then at the end of it, we get a no flip and no information.

you basically voted kat for this reason by your own admission

she flips back and forth on challenging antonio but then also being reluctant to point out his actions as scummy and providing reasons why they could actually be town-oriented. i would be willing to believe that both dinotown and antonio are on the scumteam at this point

scum

antonio - blatant disregard for toads' OP post because it doesn't fit into their solving strategy (has happened on 2 occasions and i've pointed it out before). again, AtE really puts me off and i'm finding it difficult to look past that. they're also scumreading me because i'm apparently deliberately refusing to understand their logic but i don't actually see any logic so that is pretty weak

i've been sussing antonio since the beginning and at this point i actually just cba dealing with another replacement (i don't actually think they will end up replacing, i think they'll come back after calming down and hop back into the game)

but anyway my vote is going on antonio for now because i think they're scum



sorry for how long this post is

 

[EpicGamer12]

At some point today I will ISO epona and try to make some kind of semblance of a case. She is one of my mafia leans but I don't really have a conclusive answer as to why (other than all I have already mentioned).

@Trundle why did role names and frustration about the discussion prevent you from leading town down a different path than resolving yourself on Kat after she gave up? I know from your readslist that you were considering others.

I'm still on the side of Kat probably having been town here and my major issue with how the rest of that day went down is how a lot of the people on that lynch really just gave reasons others had given more or less after she claimed Trump as green and then gave up for the day saying they'd play later on. I expected someone to take a step back about it and consider another wagon.

Too bad Kat got policy lynched because her name was Donald Trump though RIP

I believe you saw my reply to this and quoted it earlier, my opinions have not changed on the result of that lynch.

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if teddy is mafia PLEASE share scumchat at endgame lmfao

Don't you already have access to the scum chat?

 

[DinoTown]

Don't you already have access to the scum chat?

Does scumchat not get shared at the end of the game anyway? Is that not the norm? It was shared last game and gets shared in Champs/Madness so I assumed it would be the norm

 

[EpicGamer12]

Does scumchat not get shared at the end of the game anyway? Is that not the norm? It was shared last game and gets shared in Champs/Madness so I assumed it would be the norm

It is the norm lol, although epona has not played in awhile so she gets a pass for that

 

[epona]

At some point today I will ISO epona and try to make some kind of semblance of a case. She is one of my mafia leans but I don't really have a conclusive answer as to why (other than all I have already mentioned).


I believe you saw my reply to this and quoted it earlier, my opinions have not changed on the result of that lynch.

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Don't you already have access to the scum chat?

i do not have access to the scum chat but thank you for that being the only observation from my entire post

 

[Damniel]

I'm still on the side of Kat probably having been town here and my major issue with how the rest of that day went down is how a lot of the people on that lynch really just gave reasons others had given more or less after she claimed Trump as green and then gave up for the day saying they'd play later on. I expected someone to take a step back about it and consider another wagon.

i fully believe that mafia had knowledge that kat wouldn’t flip, whether it be they targeted her or she was maf with the passive role/able to target herself. however i’m also not sure she could be TP anymore given the fact that there are hostile roles that can both directly kill and infect. tbh i don’t think the infector and killer are on the same team, so i believe scum has one ability to kill and a TP can infect (with maybe the wincon of infecting everyone) or vice versa. given that, if Kat was TP that means there were at least 2 TP and i don’t think this is the case unless there’s 2 scum teams. (that would like be exciting tho Sataric’s BoI game is one of my favorites)

since i don’t think it’s likely that she was TP, that means she was either town or maf. it still doesn’t sit right with me that she would just give up so easily since she said she was excited for the game, but i think that’s more for personal reasons now. i’d have to rethink what it would mean for her to be scum so i don’t find it impossible she’s town. something about the nature of the whole day though just doesn’t sit right with me

I hope this is followed up with a readslist or tier because you are asking a lot of the questions I have asked or would ask if I took notice of them had I read with a different perspective, because I feel like there's a lot is sus and not much of a townread outside myself and Seroja.

i made a read post right before EoN. wasn’t tiered or color coded but i was pretty clear on my alignment read of everyone. need to rethink bell and mayor tbh

Uhh... can you explain where I said that? I only asked Teddy to assume for a second that he was right about all of his reads. Me saying "pretend you're right about Mayor being mafia" is NOT the same thing as saying "I am absolutely certain Mayor is mafia"

Did you miss the part of the post where I said I didn't think Antonio was scum because I didn't think they'd be silly enough to do that intentionally?

most of dino’s defenses come off as aggressively defensive. don’t really like the tone of this but that’s not a strong reason to sus. so meh. i’m gonna relook into her but i still think there’s a good chance she’s come

but anyway my vote is going on antonio for now because i think they're scum

i don’t even think we can vote for antonio since they’ve been removed from the game. and even still i don’t think we should vote for a slot that can’t defend itself and should give time to a replacement to prove themself

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Does scumchat not get shared at the end of the game anyway? Is that not the norm? It was shared last game and gets shared in Champs/Madness so I assumed it would be the norm

i think trundle was joking and just calling epona scum (it seems he thinks epona is actually scum but he’s making a joke on that)

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@toadsworthy is it confirmed that antonio has been removed from the game? if so, are we allowed to vote on that slot?

 

[epona]

i fully believe that mafia had knowledge that kat wouldn’t flip, whether it be they targeted her or she was maf with the passive role/able to target herself. however i’m also not sure she could be TP anymore given the fact that there are hostile roles that can both directly kill and infect. tbh i don’t think the infector and killer are on the same team, so i believe scum has one ability to kill and a TP can infect (with maybe the wincon of infecting everyone) or vice versa. given that, if Kat was TP that means there were at least 2 TP and i don’t think this is the case unless there’s 2 scum teams. (that would like be exciting tho Sataric’s BoI game is one of my favorites)

since i don’t think it’s likely that she was TP, that means she was either town or maf. it still doesn’t sit right with me that she would just give up so easily since she said she was excited for the game, but i think that’s more for personal reasons now. i’d have to rethink what it would mean for her to be scum so i don’t find it impossible she’s town. something about the nature of the whole day though just doesn’t sit right with me




i made a read post right before EoN. wasn’t tiered or color coded but i was pretty clear on my alignment read of everyone. need to rethink bell and mayor tbh




most of dino’s defenses come off as aggressively defensive. don’t really like the tone of this but that’s not a strong reason to sus. so meh. i’m gonna relook into her but i still think there’s a good chance she’s come



i don’t even think we can vote for antonio since they’ve been removed from the game. and even still i don’t think we should vote for a slot that can’t defend itself and should give time to a replacement to prove themself

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i think trundle was joking and just calling epona scum (it seems he thinks epona is actually scum but he’s making a joke on that)

fair point, i'll unvote if antonio has actually removed themselves but as i said i think it was an impulsive emotional reaction and i will be surprised if they don't return later

 

[DinoTown]

most of dino’s defenses come off as aggressively defensive. don’t really like the tone of this but that’s not a strong reason to sus. so meh. i’m gonna relook into her but i still think there’s a good chance she’s come

i don’t even think we can vote for antonio since they’ve been removed from the game. and even still i don’t think we should vote for a slot that can’t defend itself and should give time to a replacement to prove themself

bolded part - was that a typo, or is it slang I don't understand lol

Second section - I fully agree with you that voting for Antonio right now is... a bad idea. Is seems a little opportunistic to me. Epona pointed out that they want to vote Antonio more because of the replacement thing, which doesn't sit right with me. Asking for a replacement isn't helpful, sure, but it was already pointed out over you subbing in that it's not scummy. I get voting N1 for someone that's being unhelpful, even if they're town, that's not someone you want leaving around for the potential for endgaming. But voting two days in a row for someone that's honestly just more unhelpful than straight up scummy is... eeeh. I'm not saying I think it's indicative of Epona in anyway, I just disagree with that move currently.

 

[Damniel]

@toadsworthy is it confirmed that antonio has been removed from the game? if so, are we allowed to vote on that slot?

there it’s in question color now. didn’t know how to do this on mobile

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bolded part - was that a typo, or is it slang I don't understand lol

Second section - I fully agree with you that voting for Antonio right now is... a bad idea. Is seems a little opportunistic to me. Epona pointed out that they want to vote Antonio more because of the replacement thing, which doesn't sit right with me. Asking for a replacement isn't helpful, sure, but it was already pointed out over you subbing in that it's not scummy. I get voting N1 for someone that's being unhelpful, even if they're town, that's not someone you want leaving around for the potential for endgaming. But voting two days in a row for someone that's honestly just more unhelpful than straight up scummy is... eeeh. I'm not saying I think it's indicative of Epona in anyway, I just disagree with that move currently.

i meant scum. i don’t proofread my posts when i’m on mobile

it seems epona is under the impression that antonio will actually come back and that the replacing out is just out of emotional impulse

 

[DinoTown]

so i believe scum has one ability to kill and a TP can infect (with maybe the wincon of infecting everyone)

So I had to go double-check how arsonist work in ToS and I think you've hit the nail on the head about how this works, it seems the most logical considering the theme of the game and from what we've been presented with.

 

[Damniel]

but tbh i think that if a player has asked to be replaced and a host is actively looking for a replacement, the player should be allowed back in. if you ask to leave that’s it, but that’s imo

 

[epona]

bolded part - was that a typo, or is it slang I don't understand lol

Second section - I fully agree with you that voting for Antonio right now is... a bad idea. Is seems a little opportunistic to me. Epona pointed out that they want to vote Antonio more because of the replacement thing, which doesn't sit right with me. Asking for a replacement isn't helpful, sure, but it was already pointed out over you subbing in that it's not scummy. I get voting N1 for someone that's being unhelpful, even if they're town, that's not someone you want leaving around for the potential for endgaming. But voting two days in a row for someone that's honestly just more unhelpful than straight up scummy is... eeeh. I'm not saying I think it's indicative of Epona in anyway, I just disagree with that move currently.

i'm not voting for them for being unhelpful i'm voting for them because i think they're scum. if you actually read my post it literally says 'i am voting for antonio because i think they are scum'
i'm also not voting for them because of the replacement; i'm not convinced they're actually replacing out. if toads confirms this, i will retract my vote

 

[Damniel]

shoudnt*

 

[DinoTown]

I meant scum. i don’t proofread my posts when i’m on mobile

it seems epona is under the impression that antonio will actually come back and that the replacing out is just out of emotional impulse

Thanks, just wanted to know

I'd have to disagree with Epona there, I know Antonio can be emotional at times but I think if it's gotten to the point where they need to turn around and say "yes I need to be replaced" then it's bad.

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Antonio did also mention explicitly that IRL they were having issues, I check and they straight up saying they've lost people. So there's that. I can imagine why this game might be hard for them right now.

 

[epona]

Thanks, just wanted to know

I'd have to disagree with Epona there, I know Antonio can be emotional at times but I think if it's gotten to the point where they need to turn around and say "yes I need to be replaced" then it's bad.

Post automatically merged: May 21, 2020

Antonio did also mention explicitly that IRL they were having issues, I check and they straight up saying they've lost people. So there's that. I can imagine why this game might be hard for them right now.

what i'm gathering from this is that you think i'm suggesting that antonio saying they want to replace out is some sort of calculated AtE tactic on their part. i find that a bit inflammatory, to be honest, and it's not what i'm saying at all. from the way antonio has played so far, i think asking to be replaced was an impulsive reaction to the frustration they were experiencing at the time, and i wouldn't be surprised if, after taking time to gather themselves, they had calmed down and decided to keep playing. i don't doubt at all that they're having a hard time irl right now.

thanks

 

[DinoTown]

what i'm gathering from this is that you think i'm suggesting that antonio saying they want to replace out is some sort of calculated AtE tactic on their part. i find that a bit inflammatory, to be honest, and it's not what i'm saying at all. from the way antonio has played so far, i think asking to be replaced was an impulsive reaction to the frustration they were experiencing at the time, and i wouldn't be surprised if, after taking time to gather themselves, they had calmed down and decided to keep playing. i don't doubt at all that they're having a hard time irl right now.

thanks

No, I'm just straight up saying I don't think Antonio will be coming back, because they have mentioned they are struggling. That's what I said.