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Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

'original' and 'game started with' implies some sort of cult mechanism
Original because Volt is no longer a player.
Game started with because the... game... started... with mafia members? and now they may have less if Kat was maf?
What are you getting at here
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It's more like I sus you, so I sus you back
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you sus me back sorry
Alright, if I only sus you because you sus me, do you mind explaining all of the things I pointed out about you that have nothing to do with your being sus on me?
 
Original because Volt is no longer a player.
Game started with because the... game... started... with mafia members? and now they may have less if Kat was maf?
What are you getting at here

your choice of wording is weird but fair enough

just pressing bc the conversation is slow rn
 
dinotown- her behavior continues to be a bit too defensive for me liking. i still don’t think her flips from possibly lynching different players was really explained all that well and she seems to be too conscious of her appearance. ill give her credit that she didnt know the significance of using a green name to claim, but her having continued to give importance to the idea of a role name pattern doesn’t sit right with me. her more note worthy susses are on teddy and volt but she never really pushes those two and just stays on the kat wagon. really unconfrontational if you ask me tbh
I think it's a little bit annoying where you ask me why I didn't vote for Teddy or Volt. I answer. You don't say anything about it, then later bring up me not voting Teddy/Volt as a reason for me looking scummy. If you didn't address me answer, you didn't have a problem with it, right? So why does that still make it a reason for me to be scummy?

above has been my latest read on you. from not having a big problem with your answer i find it more meh and like okay but not too strong. from what i understand you voted Kat over volt and teddy because you thought you'd get more info from kat than the others, okay fine. but just because you prioritize a vote for the others, doesn't mean you can't continue to push them. i noticed in the day that after your vote for Kat over the role name and all you trail off talking about teddy and volt. it seems you decided to not push them further to avoid confrontation with them

I need to do some more reading, preferably after a Bianca flip so I don't spend ages digging through everything if there is no mafia team with Bianca on it to find, but I think it's possible that if the game started with 3 mafia members, it could have been Volt/Bianca/Kat.

that would mean that scum Kat's two other partners never voted for her despite knowing she wouldn't flip. why? it would just be easier to dog pile on kat so id expect at least one of them to have done this. but both not doing this doesn't make much sense
 
Original because Volt is no longer a player.
Game started with because the... game... started... with mafia members? and now they may have less if Kat was maf?
What are you getting at here
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Alright, if I only sus you because you sus me, do you mind explaining all of the things I pointed out about you that have nothing to do with your being sus on me?

I could but its okay...if im meant to be lynched why bother? explain something and then accuse of being scummy again? I explained it over and over already in my posts with volt. but no one really reads apparently. I am just wasting my time when I will be voted anyways. And you seem set on voting me so I am not gonna come up with a bunch of explanation so you could just say okay i am lynching her.
 
your choice of wording is weird but fair enough

just pressing bc the conversation is slow rn
that's fair
from what i understand you voted Kat over volt and teddy because you thought you'd get more info from kat than the others, okay fine. but just because you prioritize a vote for the others, doesn't mean you can't continue to push them. i noticed in the day that after your vote for Kat over the role name and all you trail off talking about teddy and volt. it seems you decided to not push them further to avoid confrontation with them
I voted Kat over Teddy and didn't push Teddy because I decided I townleaned Teddy. I have said this several times. This is what I was meaning when I said you have been ignoring my answers to you.
 
i really hate making reads list so if you want to lynch me for it go for it ...i cannot do reads now as I am working and working and just trying to read and try...
 
i really hate making reads list so if you want to lynch me for it go for it ...i cannot do reads now as I am working and working and just trying to read and try...

making reads list is literally part of the game

why would you agree to your lynch if you're town? we lynched kat for less
 
no i meant i am working as in work in real life, multitasking and then this so i read snippets here and there..but I cannot concentrate fully on everything . I just say what stands out for me
 
I could but its okay...if im meant to be lynched why bother? explain something and then accuse of being scummy again? I explained it over and over already in my posts with volt. but no one really reads apparently. I am just wasting my time when I will be voted anyways
no its okay you can lynch me

if you flip town your reads posts will still be helpful cause we know you're writing from a town perspective

I voted Kat over Teddy and didn't push Teddy because I decided I townleaned Teddy

okay tbh i don't remember this so my bad if i overlooked it. and what happened with you pushing volt during the day again? i get not doing so during N1 cause they replaced but what was going on D1
 
no i meant i am working as in work in real life, multitasking and then this so i read snippets here and there..but I cannot concentrate fully on everything . I just say what stands out for me
you don't need to make a giant post, just what are your current thoughts on everyone
 
no i meant i am working as in work in real life, multitasking and then this so i read snippets here and there..but I cannot concentrate fully on everything . I just say what stands out for me

ok so make a readslist later when you have time
 
okay tbh i don't remember this so my bad if i overlooked it. and what happened with you pushing volt during the day again? i get not doing so during N1 cause they replaced but what was going on D1
D1 I didn't push for Volt because I had decided to go for Kat. Honestly, it was probably my bad that I didn't continue to push especially since a couple of people took this as me suddenly defending Volt out of nowhere. I guess I don't really have a justification for it, I just chose Kat and stuck with it. My bad, I'll know next time.
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@Biancasbotique

You could at least make a post like
Town - (insert players)
Null - (insert players)
Scum - (insert players)

So we at least have something from you if you are lynched before you have time to flesh it out
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Don't think we're trying to push you to do that while trying to work, BTW, you have time to do a quick readslist before EoD tomorrow
 
okay so i was looking at the role list and it seems that the only player that no one has really questionsed/brings much is bell. bell kinda just goes under the radar for whatever reason so i did a ISO to bring for attention to them. for context here was my read of them before EoN. This was a pretty weak null since i never really payed to much attention:

bell accont- null on bell for now. they seem to have a good sense of the game and is very direct and clear in calling things out. not really enough to make me town lean yet but i look toward to how they play going in D2

you shouldnt be trying to control the flow of discussion if people want to talk about dinotown then thats what should be discussed theres no "talk about everyone equally" law or anything and if you try to force that content becomes engineered hence the parallel to engineered wagons
it doesnt help

when i was reading the beginning of the game as an observer, i found this to be a good and reasonable post. however, given that Kat became the main and really only topic of conservation later in D1, i don't really agree with this as it would've been better to talk about other players instead of the Kat tunnel. don't find this to be Bells fault necessarily but i don't agree with this post

you seem self obsessed
like any reasonable mafia player youre slightly more concerned with clout than winning the game, the urge to parade how well you did last game is probably irresistible to you which is understandable because good games tend to stick with you
the "theres something different about you" or "theyre giving me scum vibes" arguments irritate me to no end but ive yet to find that this logic is alignment indicative at all
at best i have a vague town read on you but the more important thing to me is how useful discourse around these aspects have been for reading other slots, like antonio, their suspicion of you feels entirely based on the rest of the threads pressure against you and their inability to put into exact words anything that makes them suspect you doesnt look good to me
you asked me what i thought of you
i shared what i currently think of you
you might think that what i said is more negative than i do but its honestly okay to be proud of ones performance in a game as difficult as mafia you shouldnt feel bad about it, plus all mafia players act like this, its part of the culture

normally i would find this post to be a good response to dino, but im a bit confused as to what they town reads dino for. they thinks that dino is too focused on her own appearance, but doesn't find it to be a sus thing. i know they say that a lot of maf players play up themselves too much but im not sure where this town lean comes from at all. i would except a null if anything

Trundle- town lean
epona- town lean
dinotown- town lean
bell accont- town
mayor leaf- null
seroja- null
biancasbotique- null
voltairenism- town lean
geoni-null
Antonio- scum lean
Teddy345- town lean
Arstotzkhan- scum lean

eponas town lean is the weakest, voltaire and teddy are the strongest and my read of those slots are unlikely to change

noting their only alignment list currently. nothing like really inconsistent now but they don't really go on to update these/state their opinion on nulls except bianca

its a lot of posts and im lazy and have add and if anything important happened itll get brought up again or ill just see it later in isos
we all play and enjoy the game in our own way
i prefer to be in the now talking and sharing ideas with people not reading and then making armchair comments about hmm yes theory and sipping tea

i still don't agree with this as not reading the game just means you have to depend on what others bring up. this means you can't bring up things that have been looked over and affirms a more reactionary play style instead of active scum hunting

so a person that i wolf read ended up being lynched day 1 and had no flip, akin to a janitor effect
someone is suggesting they were a jester lol
probably town honestly im usually wrong

by saying im usually wrong bell seems to downplay their abilities and may quickly blame their incorrect reads on their lack of skill instead of reconsidering the game

i find its best to ignore trying to read into likes/reacts on forums where theyre allowed
its like the same thing as trying to watch online activity to angleshoot whos a wolf

don't agree. tracking activity is a weak way of scum hunting i agree, but i find that knowing what players likes what is more helping in figuring out what the players thoughts are. i would prefer player say "I agree and here's why/no comment" instead of liking a post when its harder to trace that back in an ISO

if youre willing to vote yourself im willing to vote you too on policy

i think this is reasonable. seems like bell is trying to call out the bluff of someone voting for themselves which i think is fine

bianca i have a question for you, which players are you most comfortable in being town

bianca answers but bell doesn't engage with the answer or state what information they got from her saying that. i can see the point to the question but bell doesn't follow up with it

your first mistake was assuming im smart

again, downplaying their ability which i don't like

yes they dont look very good right now, and id like to question them more on it but they dont seem to be here anymore

bell doesn't go on to question bianca more. they did pop in to say they're voting for bianca while she was online, but he doesn't question her/confront her

for the benefit of me lets keep discussion of "last game" on the minimum

reasonable post. our conversation was getting to much about last game so I think it was better we steered away from it

i can see where youre coming from with the manipulation angle ive felt like theres an agenda behind their posts a bit too, and their reads being so full of mafia reads didnt look good either
would you mind quoting some of their posts for me so that i can get a better sense of what you see

bell states they've been sus on mayor (who was null on their last reads list) and instead of bringing to the table why THEY initially thought mayor was off, agreed with what teddy said and asked them to show proof. it comes of as either sheeping or just lazy when you can't go back to confirm your own suspicions and rely on others

TDLR: bell has been one that's been present in the game, but doesn't challenge anyone much or start initiating new discussions. their play style is more reaction based on whatever is going on at the time but not bringing new things to the table. there are a few times where bell doesn't commit to pressing their sus reads and relies to much on the evidence and ideas that other players have said. starting to scum read for this
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i will have to give credit that i still do like the direct and clear call outs, but its still to reactionary and doesn't seem to be really actively scum hunting
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and even though bell has confronted bianca i don’t think that they cant be teamed. i could see bussing bianca since they started the conservation when bianca has been heavily sussed and most likely a main wagon
 
i guess i should clarify that my interaction with teddy there was an attempt to get more out of teddy who seemed to be feeling nobody was listening
by suggesting that leaf felt suspicious to me but i had no reasoning it made them open up more about their suspicion of leaf, if you do more than just the courtesy read you did youll see that i say i dont agree with their logic behind their leaf suspicion really, that whole thing was more about getting info out of teddy than trying to start anything on leaf
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is that all you have to say in response to EVERYTHING that was just said about you?
yes
 
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