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[oath2order]

Will post an ISO later on why.

Oath. Thoughts on Kit vs Daniel.

How about you post your ISO before demanding other people post their thoughts?

 

[EnderWiggin]

You mean that post that everyone laughed at and made you stand out 10/10 as scum?
Yeah wowowwo.

10/10 post. You completely missed the obvious point.

Seriously if this isn't scum!Kit I will be surprised.

I'll be back in an hour or two with the ISO.

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How about you post your ISO before demanding other people post their thoughts?

I'm not going to ISO on a phone thanks. But I can ask people their thoughts on a phone.

 

[oath2order]

I mean, Kit has had some poor statements that look like scum acting

 

[ZetaFunction]

I mean, Kit has had some poor statements that look like scum acting

True. Kit hasn't really taken any side either; anytime someone brings up evidence of someone else being scum, she takes their side and blindly agree to what they said, even if it was illogical.

Daniel thought I was scum, and for a little while, Kit thought I was scum too. Then someone pointed out Starry's scummyness, and she quickly changed her thoughts on me and went over to thinking Starry was scum. She's flip-flopping as much as Daniel.

 

[Monkeyd99]

True. Kit hasn't really taken any side either; anytime someone brings up evidence of someone else being scum, she takes their side and blindly agree to what they said, even if it was illogical.

Daniel thought I was scum, and for a little while, Kit thought I was scum too. Then someone pointed out Starry's scummyness, and she quickly changed her thoughts on me and went over to thinking Starry was scum. She's flip-flopping as much as Daniel.

Very true, but also I don't know if I should bring this up but I'm flip flopping a bit too.

Really a few of you give off scumish behavior, so being exact isn't easy, that's why I flip flop, Kit might do it because she wants to be part of the majority so she stays undetected which could be new mafia behavior.

 

[Damniel]

I like how basically anything I say is questioned and thought to be scummy. Yet I've started ideas like pointing out starry's fake claim, the first to point out her claim pushing, and was the first to say I was somewhat susipious of kit. But the good ideas are given credit to other people(like someone gave credit to ender for that fake claim from starry and endless and trundle being the first one to question starry) and people make up things about me like claiming I said I was veteran, and then everyone bandwagons of them.

 

[Monkeyd99]

I like how basically anything I say is questioned and thought to be scummy. Yet I've started ideas like pointing out starry's fake claim, the first to point out her claim pushing, and was the first to say I was somewhat susipious of kit. But the good ideas are given credit to other people(like someone gave credit to ender for that fake claim from starry and endless and trundle being the first one to question starry) and people make up things about me like claiming I said I was veteran, and then everyone bandwagons of them.

Wait I'm confused, aren't veterans and bulletproof 2 different things?
The wiki says Veterans kill whoever use a night action on them, but bulletproof are just immune to night kills(at least with guns) for a certain amount of time?

I don't know where you guys are getting me claiming I'm veteran, I've only said that I'm bulletproof. But to be honestI'm a bit hung over from last night so I'm not in the right condition to read through and defend myself properly.[\B]

you kind of just went back on your word...

 

[Damniel]

Being flustered with being hungover isn't a good combination, I honestly don't even care if I'm lymched or not at this point.

 

[Monkeyd99]

Okay not to flip flop right now but everyone who agreed with EnderWiggen's suspicions are you actually changing your votes or was that all talk and no do?

 

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: Kit ISO

Is it possible for your stomach to digest itself

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Well that was the weridest thing I could have possibly said D1
Don't quote any of that I didn't see ness's post
I can see it now
"Kit here.. Asks an odd, off topic question about how stomach acid works when she could have just looked it up for herself. She is scum for that reason alone."

Random daystart post. Inconsequential.

Good Morning!
I roughly skimmed through the last couple pages and it seems I didn't miss all that much
What's your avatar?A fall tree, soon to be a pokemon when I collect enough bells
What's your time zone?CST
How often do you expect to post?It varies. When I have something to say I guess.
Which player in the game do you know best?Uh.. I don't know any of you that well. I guess Starrywolf.
Yellow button, green button or red button?Green button! ^_^

RQS response and nothing much.

Forgive me if I'm not reading this correctly, but if you view her typical forum behavior as personal and irrelevant, then why bother mentioning it in the first place?

Good post.

Thank you for the clarification, however I must point out that the majority of people talk much differently here than they would in other places in the forums. However, I understand your suspicions, acknowledging the fact that she is a new player.

Another decent post. Tbh Kit's start is pretty good here.

And why exactly is that?




I'm sorry if you see something that I don't here, but what about this seems forced to you?
BluePikachu has posted twice since this thing started and nothing about him/her seems "forced" to me in the slightest. Is it because her answers are brief?
You seem like someone who would normally analyze things much deeper than this, and considering the contents of Blue's post, I find it really odd that you would give your vote to them, even if it's just a placeholder.

Oddly critical of a stated placeholder vote on very little.

Thanks for the insight, Ender
I'd still like to here from Endless themselves on this though, I don't think he's online at the moment...

Response to my clarification of Endless' comments.

Ah, I understand now ^_^.
It seems that our biggest priority is constructing some reads? Endless suggests Daniel and luc and I think that would be a good place to start for anyone who's good at that sort of thing.

Pushing for what Endless already asked without contributing.

Another goodish morning to you all & I didn't realize Trundle was going to be playing either.
Everything interesting happened after I decided to go upstairs and watch Netflix
I don't necessarily agree with Dolby's insight on Lus. She plays exactly like I did when I was newish & in my second game.
With no Mafia team to keep me from saying something suspicious I ended up getting lynched on the first day, even though I was a townie.
This is by no means a defense to her and I don't think how she is playing should be completely excused by the fact that she is a new player, but it may be more beneficial for us to read into someone who's more.. seasoned so to speak.
Like sure, you've got a chance at catching a small rabbit but you could also go for bigger game.
If that makes any sense . I haven't had my breakfast yet.

Odd post in and of itself. Not scummy, just odd.

I was about to post this quote from you to back up my point, but YOU had to post and now it doesn't look as nice as I wanted

Pretty much sums up my thoughts

Again just echoing what others say.

You missed me ness I haven't voted yet either

Poking narrator, inconsequential.

I cannot help but feel very indifferent on this issue.
On one hand, how you're defending yourself isn't exactly 10/10 scholar worthy, but on the other hand if you were really scum I'd like to think that the Mafia team would keep better reins on you to stop you from being suspected.

Despite quoting and agreeing with Trundle's 100% opposition to lynching Lus, still makes comments about being on the fence.

Starry's defensive behavior in this game sticks out like a sore thumb
I'll wait for Daniel to post his reads before I give my vote to anyone.
Better hurry with those reads though as D1 is winding down.
And.. This post was pointless and contributes nothing sadly. Sorry about that, everything I would have said has already been spoken for/about.. Not good with sentence structure whoops.

Everyone is turning on Starry now, so finally Kit also comments that her defensive behaviour is sticking out like a sore thumb, and yet doesn't do anything more about it, instead staying on the fence.

Also, bolded line is scummy.

Daniel I feel like that shouldn't have been inside of a spoiler for some reason as the block itself isn't that long and then you have spoilers inside of spoilers. Spoiler-inception. It's too much for my brain to handle XD
Very good reads so far and I think it's a good summary of what's happened up until this point.
Unless Starry can come up with a good defense in the span of the time we have left I think they'll be getting my vote. Either them or Lus. I want to lean towards Lus because lynching Starry just feels so ironic, although I have to agree that the points against Starry are stronger.
I really wish we had more to go off of and with so many quiet people I feel like the mafia could just be slipping under the radar.
As for my own opinion, I find that for whatever reason Endless just strikes me as.. odd. What often happens is that there's a one or two very vocal players that gain the trust of everyone and then end up being scum (Though with that logic, you would fall into the same group), so knowing that I'm very cautious of who I read as town.

NOTE: Comments that the points on Starry are good, and yet STILL suggests they'd be more willing to vote for Lus, which I remind you they were in firm support of the people saying it was just newbie behaviour. Funny ain't that? Also suggests mafia could be elsewhere.

That's what I did last game & Sars didn't lynch me
I would hold back until it's your last leg to stand on

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I would love it if you could compile some of those quotes for us Trundle <3

Telling Starry to hold back on claiming, AND asking Trundle to post stuff on Daniel. I would like to note that up until this point, Kit has been pretty buddy with Daniel. Kit has ALSO been pretty hard-buddy with Trundle. While the former will break into the spiral it is now, Kit's buddying of Trundle will only increase.

If anyone's curious there's always these to look at

http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5108668&pp=&page=1 Mafia
http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5108690&pp= Town
http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5108688 Town

And this game,
http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5108695&pp=&page=1 Unknown

I've been reading through them and I'm struggling to find a difference between Mafia Starry and Town Starry.

Suddenly obfuscation on Starry. Odd that they were all "The points against starry were good" and then suddenly obviously nothing Starry does is alignment indicative.

What I'm hearing is,
"Check me, I'll return as Mafia but I am not mafia. Totally."

As soon as I point out what Daniel was saying about the claims, Kit jumps on hardcore. Of course.

Oh Daniel how you make me laugh

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Especially with this post from Trundle. Really, Trundle was the one who suspected Starry originally. That pretty much clears him & all you did was jump ship when you realized Starry was toast.
And now you're trying to shift the blame from yourself onto me. Of course starry is frustrated, who wouldn't be with such a bad teammate?

Trundle wasn't the first to suspect Starry, first of all. He was simply the first to have a very solid case on her AFTER Endless. To be honest, ENDLESS was the one whose post was very notable for me on the push for Starry.

Note that Kit is buddying Trundle pretty hard, giving him a clear pass while suspecting Endless until his death.

Also the dismissal of the case from Daniel on Kit is bad. Very bad. Addresses none of the points and laughs it off. Needless to say, laughing it off is a very traditional way of trying to make a case look pathetic when you're worried about it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
For those curious (and apparently Daniel) I was very hesitant on voting for Starry because of how their playstyle reminded me of how I used to play as a careless townie, and wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt and hoped that mafia wouldn't be that careless to back her in a corner like that (or let herself say what she said)
But.. Seeing as she really was Mafia clearly the mafia is not as clever and organized as I had originally suspected, and oh boy Daniel if you weren't reading red before, with that post & Trundle's insight I think we're going to have the whole game wrapped up in the next couple days.

Pushing hard on the Daniel suspicion now.

I said that you were basically cleared because it seems like a really, really dumb idea for you to lead suspicion out of the blue on a mafia member (on the first day too) and thus forcibly narrowing down your team. If Daniel also flips Mafia then you're either a genius mafia member who's despised by their teammates or a townie. And you being town seems much more likely to me. If Daniel is telling the truth about this role (which I really doubt) then perhaps I'll see you as more suspicious.

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It wasn't a sacrifice either. Early game he just straight up said Starry was suspicious. If anything Daniel was the one who made the sacrifice, which Trundle then called out.
They cannot be on the same team. That's my best deduction.

Re: Buddying Trundle.

I agree with you. Gonna have to be careful then.
Yeah someone shoot Daniel. If he dies he was lying ^_^
Just like the witch trials right?

Trying to waste the vig shot. This post isn't so much scummy tho.

Endless stands out as scummy to me as well,at least in this post, if I may share my opinions...
Why not test him? No risk of shooting an innocent that way and he has nothing to worry about if his claim wasn't false.
I wonder why you would be against proving Daniel as town?.. Unless you knew he was lying..
And you also did seem quick to clear him as not lying about his role, either.... Huh..

Endless was quick to analyse a claim and dismiss the likelihood of a scum fake-claim for multiple reasons, but note that Endless was one of the big names in pushing Starry, and yet unlike Trundle Kit isn't giving him a free pass.

I suspect all the inactives. No seriously. Come here and say something, being quiet shouldn't give you a free pass.

Pushing things back on the inactives. Fair point all told.

Hiding in the background is a bad, bad idea. Especially for a townie. They make easy targets for the Mafia since there's no one to say "Well they suspected so and so and this happened" since they've been completely silent.
I doubt it's a strategic or even an intentional play for most of the inactives/barely actives this game, but we need more voices and even if they think they don't have anything to say, I encourage them to come forward with ideas.
Either that or get modkilled I guess..
As far as the "barely actives" who posted a couple one/two-liners, now that is most likely intentional and trying to avoid detection.

Nothing important here.

I was so sure he was Mafia.. Goodness, I'm quite shocked...

Fakest reaction in the world. Scum 10/10 would lynch again.

It wasn't though
It was like 10 PM and I had been watching Black Butler so I'm not surprised XD
Mornin' everyone

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Wasn't cheese going to be replaced though?

Nothing important here.

It's early, that's why ^_^
Dolby?

Says why no one is here. Unimportant.

And the plot thickens..
Where is everyone?

Unimportant post.

You mean that post that everyone laughed at and made you stand out 10/10 as scum?
Yeah wowowwo.

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Monkey actually go back & read that post of his, quotes and all and you tell me if a word he says makes sense.

Terrible defense/10. Again, dismissing Daniel's case out of hand and just saying it's terrible. Trying to forget about the points he brought up.

It's a terrible case.
That's all I've got to say about it.

And re-iterating previous comments unnecessarily.

TL;DR
Sits on fence, buddies Trundle hard, has terrible reactions to the case on them, and is in general p scummy.

Lynch pls.

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Okay not to flip flop right now but everyone who agreed with EnderWiggen's suspicions are you actually changing your votes or was that all talk and no do?

A lot of them are probably waiting for the ISO.

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What about you Monkey? Going to say anything on either side of the fence?

 

[Damniel]

I also want to add that kit tries to get everyone to like them and trust them,but will turn on them the second people goes against said person, without never adding to the suspicions.

Of course I bring up Kits oddly polite and trustable behavior, but Trundle and Kit just say it's stupid and scummy, because questioning someone's behavior during the night(not even during the day for lynching) is scummy.

 

[Kit]

I'm absolutely sick of everyone siding with Daniel when his post on me was full of absolute bs.
Enderwiggin, just so you know, all you did there was point out that I haven't really made any opinions of my own.
And that's bad because?

No use trying to hide it. I'm a Cop. Captain Falcon.
Night one I investigated Endless because that was one of the things Trundle advised Cops to do. I was also considering inspecting Daniel but changed my mind. Endless turned up town, and dead, the next day, leaving me with no new leads and pretty much everyone was inactive. I do not know what further you want me to say here.
I am a useful Ally and I want to be protected now that I've made my claim, so I can assist the rest of Town and narrow down the scum as a powerful blue role.

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Also Enderwiggin is most likely scum if Daniel turns out to be scum. Realizing his buddy is in trouble, he's decided to push the attention off of him and onto me as a last resort.
Ridiculous.

 

[EnderWiggin]

....

Not sure if lying or just that blind.

 

[Monkeyd99]

I realized that after I commented... Sometimes I feel like an idiot

Anywho, I skimmed most of your ISO, I agree with you and I'll join you on your side of the fence. I seemtobe agreeing to quickly... but what brought me completly to your side was how defensive they were when you brought it up a few hours ago.

 

[EnderWiggin]

You realise Trundle said DOCTOR on Endless. That means 90% ENDLESS IS TOWN AND THEREFORE COPS SHOULDN'T BE ON THEM.

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Also revision may be necessary. My reads could easily be ****ty PR player.

 

[Kit]

....

Not sure if lying or just that blind.

I'm not afraid of you. I said the truth and if you choose not to believe it, fine. But if I get lynched and you and all of town realizes what a mistake they made, they'll be swinging their heads over to you with questions about why you pushed a lynch on me.

 

[Damniel]

Kit, when did trundle advise you to investigate endless? He said doctors to save them not detectives.

 

[Kit]

You realise Trundle said DOCTOR on Endless. That means 90% ENDLESS IS TOWN AND THEREFORE COPS SHOULDN'T BE ON THEM.

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Also revision may be necessary. My reads could easily be ****ty PR player.

Trundle didn't say Doctor on Endless.

 

[EnderWiggin]

IF THERE IS ANY OTHER COP CLAIM, BETTER COME FORWARD RIGHT THE **** NOW.

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Trundle didn't say Doctor on Endless.

Alright, Action Roles

Doctors - It's usually best to use your best judgment. Ender Wiggin or I, Endless would be a decent choice too.
Vigs - I'm suggesting you shoot Call Me Daniel. I'm pretty sure it wasn't hard to see his attempt to be neutral but then switching sides when he knew Starry was toast. That or Tom. Tom is always scum when he memes.

Not sure what other roles there would be in this game. DTs? Try to see if we can pick off some of the inactives.

 

[Monkeyd99]

How 'bout we stick with Daniel for now and vote Kit depending on what happens, I honestly don't think they'd(Kit) reveal their role that easily, it is against the rules...