Mafia Super Smash Brothers: Mafia! - Volume 2 - Mafia Win

[KermitTea]

so...one post = eagerness? I think you should pull out a dictionary. Also with context my post was a response to Zendel's joke post so it wasn't exactly 100% serious.

>seems eager

and meh whatever you say it's not like I can somehow magically detect whether you're joking or not if you don't explicitly say it; in context, I read it as being serious

 

[Heyden]

Amazon, I feel like he is town. He seems helpful.

so it's okay for you to have a town lean with 1 piece of reasoning huh

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>seems eager

and meh whatever you say it's not like I can somehow magically detect whether you're joking or not if you don't explicitly say it; in context, I read it as being serious

it was obviously like at least 50% a joke bc it was replying to another joke, but yes even if she denies it, she was def somewhat eager

 

[Endless]

Time to address Dolby's pretty horrific case on me.

This statement is awkward, as he calls the post from Heyden "genuine" and suggests a light townlean, then proceeds to hypothesize at his possible teammates if he's mafia.

Genuine as in I don't think the post was forced. (Meaning if he is mafia, which I don't think is the case, then his teammates would include either you or Cleb)
Others have misinterpreted this so perhaps I should've been a little clearer in the way I wrote this.

Somehow forgets that the last 15 player game that he played on the site was 11v4, and suggests that I'm scum for suggesting it. Admittadly, I'm calling him out on the same logic that he did me in this post, which is that an experienced player wouldn't make a mistake in hypothesizing the balance of the game, and I honestly consider iffy. But the point still stands that he really shouldn't be sussing me for my opinions on game balance.

Which game are you talking about here? I haven't played in over half a year aside from SU 2, which I stated was absurdly unbalanced in favour of mafia.
This feels super like mudslinging to me, especially since I later rescinded this point when shown the poor balance of recent setups.

I do fake interactions with teammates quite a bit as scum but
1. I am not extremely fond of it, and don't really go out of my way to create situation in which it happens
2. When have I ever won off of that?
3. I drop my teammates like rocks because I am far better solo mafia (MM4, Reindeer, etc)

1. Weird then that it happens almost every time you're mafia.
2. Second to last pm game on the site, you and a teammate faked an entire chat log between yourselves and when one of you died town townread the other because of this, causing you to win.
3. Yes, but you fake interaction before dropping them like rocks.

Honestly I don't even see what you're aiming for here considering Kat literally backed me up on this point.

Ftr, don't agree with the reasoning here

Thanks for defending me in your call out post, I guess.

As for Endless wanting a juxtaposition from last game, only post that pings me is this one, rest seem to be in line with noob town and his past behavior

I literally stated "his last post". So yes, that's the post that pinged me. Bravo.


So all in all, I'm shifting Dolby from sus to scumlean. While the complete lack of research in this post could be left to Dolby's current time constraints rather than his alignment, I'd be severely disappointed if Dolby, as town, were to make a case without checking any of his facts.
It's just a sloppy case, and that's just super off-putting since I'm used to quite solid play from Dolby.

@glow don't scumread you even remotely, I was making a point that the interaction between you and Dolby didn't make you any less likely to be mafia with him.

Scum on Amazonevan, he's coming off as wildly opportunistic rather than anything remotely close to logic or sensibility.
Going to place my vote there for now.

 

[KermitTea]

ok lowkey both of you have mostly bad points against each other lol sorry

and also endless wdym opportunistic seems sort of quick to judge a newbie like that (psst also link me the game please)

 

[Kirbystarship]

so it's okay for you to have a town lean with 1 piece of reasoning huh

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it was obviously like at least 50% a joke bc it was replying to another joke, but yes even if she denies it, she was def somewhat eager

It is a weak town lean. I have bad reads on day 1.

 

[Heyden]

It is a weak town lean. I have bad reads on day 1.

So you're not confident in your town leans but are in your scum leans, being just Dolby or other people too? idk you're being extremely hypocritical with your reads right now, would you have voted even if Bowie didn't or did you need a backing first, afaik when you scumleaned Qwerty you were very somewhat confident in it (you had the wrong reasons too, it was just lucky let's be honest) and here you're rather, unsure but willing to pursue if other's do?

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tsk tsk endless' 180

 

[Dolby]

Genuine as in I don't think the post was forced. (Meaning if he is mafia, which I don't think is the case, then his teammates would include either you or Cleb)
Others have misinterpreted this so perhaps I should've been a little clearer in the way I wrote this.

This actually makes more sense than I was originally thinking.

Which game are you talking about here? I haven't played in over half a year aside from SU 2, which I stated was absurdly unbalanced in favour of mafia.
This feels super like mudslinging to me, especially since I later rescinded this point when shown the poor balance of recent setups.

Overwatch mafia, which to be fair, was four months ago. However, approximately half of all 15-16 player games on TBT (discounting third parties and meme factories) have had a. either four mafia or b. added a buff to or on top of the KP system in said game. As for said point being mudslinging, a believe it is a valid assertion to make even if you aren't a regular TBT player, as **** like that is common here.

1. Weird then that it happens almost every time you're mafia.
2. Second to last pm game on the site, you and a teammate faked an entire chat log between yourselves and when one of you died town townread the other because of this, causing you to win.
3. Yes, but you fake interaction before dropping them like rocks.

1. You seriously have to read back on how I play
2. Said Quicktopic was started by Ness, who pretty much forced me into the chat(https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/aYsqgatbZq9TF,message 15), started it (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/trr6ysjDkHZyv), and then I think leaked it to all of the discord. So to say that I was the proponent of that is highly inaccurate.

I literally stated "his last post". So yes, that's the post that pinged me. Bravo.

Literally everything else seemed ok to me, which I felt was worth pointing out

So all in all, I'm shifting Dolby from sus to scumlean. While the complete lack of research in this post could be left to Dolby's current time constraints rather than his alignment, I'd be severely disappointed if Dolby, as town, were to make a case without checking any of his facts.

This really miffs me as you clearly didn't do any, shown in two of the sections that I touched on in this

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Actually no, I leaked it to all of discord because Ness referenced it. But the point there still stands that said example is 100% invalid

 

[Kirbystarship]

So you're not confident in your town leans but are in your scum leans, being just Dolby or other people too? idk you're being extremely hypocritical with your reads right now, would you have voted even if Bowie didn't or did you need a backing first, afaik when you scumleaned Qwerty you were very somewhat confident in it (you had the wrong reasons too, it was just lucky let's be honest) and here you're rather, unsure but willing to pursue if other's do?

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tsk tsk endless' 180

I didn't need bowie backing for me to vote for Dolby I was just rereading some posts before voting for him then he voted.

 

[Dolby]

Also gonna ask when I got resussed by Endless since he nulled me after the balance stuff was pointed out to him

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@Karen and @Kirby, who are your biggest susses at present

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Also just realized that NEITHER OF US DIED THAT GAME

 

[Heyden]

I didn't need bowie backing for me to vote for Dolby I was just rereading some posts before voting for him then he voted.

And what posts triggered you to vote him? I'm having a hard time understanding where your sources are bc as far as I know you're just pulling things out of a hat and piling onto the most suspected person in town, something you never do as town bc you're usually ignorant about things and you work alone, and you didn't even stop to think for a second if Dolby was even town, you just had your eyes pierced right at him. It's like you're trying to justify your reasons based on others' so you don't look distanced from others if that makes sense.

 

[Dolby]

And what posts triggered you to vote him? I'm having a hard time understanding where your sources are bc as far as I know you're just pulling things out of a hat and piling onto the most suspected person in town, something you never do as town bc you're usually ignorant about things and you work alone, and you didn't even stop to think for a second if Dolby was even town, you just had your eyes pierced right at him. It's like you're trying to justify your reasons based on others' so you don't look distanced from others if that makes sense.

I feel like this is misrepresenting what Kirby did, since he did townread me pretty early into the game

 

[Heyden]

I feel like this is misrepresenting what Kirby did, since he did townread me pretty early into the game

oh did he? lemme check

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o lol nvm but his reasoning is bs either way, you don't town lean or scum lean someone for town leaning someone else

 

[Endless]

@Dolby: fair. I don't think we're getting anywhere with this spat.
I resussed you when you got defensive about people pushing on you. If it isn't clear, my read on you is weak. (Even weaker now)

Where was Amazon opportunistic? He voted Heyden, quoting my non-scumread reasoning as to why. When my reasoning was explained to be non-scumread, he crafted an even worse reason for the vote. (Note: Heyden was the only voted player at the time)

 

[f11]

so it's okay for you to have a town lean with 1 piece of reasoning huh

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it was obviously like at least 50% a joke bc it was replying to another joke, but yes even if she denies it, she was def somewhat eager

nah for me it was just a quick reaction to a useless post. If I brought up a Zendel lynch I'm more than once it would be eager but with just one 5 word post it's not at all.

I'm gonna stop talking about this because I feel like it's distracting me from more pressing matters.

 

[Kirbystarship]

And what posts triggered you to vote him? I'm having a hard time understanding where your sources are bc as far as I know you're just pulling things out of a hat and piling onto the most suspected person in town, something you never do as town bc you're usually ignorant about things and you work alone, and you didn't even stop to think for a second if Dolby was even town, you just had your eyes pierced right at him. It's like you're trying to justify your reasons based on others' so you don't look distanced from others if that makes sense.

I did think Dolby town at the beginning. Only reason why I scum leaned him was because he was just lurking the thread for a few hours. I do think it was a bad reason. I didn't know he made a post why he was inactive because of SAT score.

 

[Dolby]

@Dolby: fair. I don't think we're getting anywhere with this spat.
I resussed you when you got defensive about people pushing on you. If it isn't clear, my read on you is weak. (Even weaker now)

Yeah, your read may have been weak, but given that last game you had only one scumlean with four people you were rereading on N2, a stated scumlean is pretty significant. Especially considering that this is D1

I do agree that we're getting nowhere with this though

 

[KermitTea]

ok rn i feel like theres a quite a bit starting to go on and i'll have to go back and read up to refresh myself on everything thats been said so far. also iirc a few people have yet to speak or they need to speak more so ill be waiting on them too.

i saw jacob's reasoning which makes sense. he responded to the heat quite well and although i disagree with him bringing up the zendal lynch i can see why he did it after he explained. but f11 seems a tad too defensive to my post, all i said was seems eager which i believe is a fair assumption given the context in which i was looking at. also heyden seems to be pushing kirby awfully hard on something really small, there was also a lot of sus on him earlier which to this point i'm still confused about so i'll go back and read when i get time...i did not get to read why amazon voted heyden so i will do so. i'm not sure what to think of endless vs. dolby, both of them had really bad cases against each other and i would expect more from both of them. i'm beginning to wonder if the entire thing was staged (but then why would endless mention dolby likes staging fake interactions?) but i really can't imagine why two top players would have d1 beef like that, and so poorly too. it just seems a little sudden and out of place.

tldr; i need to read more (which i will hopefully later tonight) because currently my reads suck but those are my current thoughts

 

[Dolby]

I did think Dolby town at the beginning. Only reason why I scum leaned him was because he was just lurking the thread for a few hours. I do think it was a bad reason. I didn't know he made a post why he was inactive because of SAT score.

You might not have seen this because it merged, but I asked you for scumleans

 

[KermitTea]

You might not have seen this because it merged, but I asked you for scumleans

oh right, you asked me too

see my post above and ill get back to you on that asap

 

[Heyden]

oh right, you asked me too

see my post above and ill get back to you on that asap

he was responding to kirby

also kirby's unvote is quite interesting uwu;;

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oh wait nvm both of you