Mafia Super Smash Brothers: Mafia! - Volume 2 - Mafia Win

[KermitTea]

no he asked both me and kirby

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whoops post merge but yeah

 

[Heyden]

@Dolby: fair. I don't think we're getting anywhere with this spat.
I resussed you when you got defensive about people pushing on you. If it isn't clear, my read on you is weak. (Even weaker now)

Where was Amazon opportunistic? He voted Heyden, quoting my non-scumread reasoning as to why. When my reasoning was explained to be non-scumread, he crafted an even worse reason for the vote. (Note: Heyden was the only voted player at the time)

ok rn i feel like theres a quite a bit starting to go on and i'll have to go back and read up to refresh myself on everything thats been said so far. also iirc a few people have yet to speak or they need to speak more so ill be waiting on them too.

i saw jacob's reasoning which makes sense. he responded to the heat quite well and although i disagree with him bringing up the zendal lynch i can see why he did it after he explained. but f11 seems a tad too defensive to my post, all i said was seems eager which i believe is a fair assumption given the context in which i was looking at. also heyden seems to be pushing kirby awfully hard on something really small, there was also a lot of sus on him earlier which to this point i'm still confused about so i'll go back and read when i get time...i did not get to read why amazon voted heyden so i will do so. i'm not sure what to think of endless vs. dolby, both of them had really bad cases against each other and i would expect more from both of them. i'm beginning to wonder if the entire thing was staged (but then why would endless mention dolby likes staging fake interactions?) but i really can't imagine why two top players would have d1 beef like that, and so poorly too. it just seems a little sudden and out of place.

tldr; i need to read more (which i will hopefully later tonight) because currently my reads suck but those are my current thoughts

a) he's being extremely contradictory so ofc I'm gonna pick him out for it, sussing people for thing's he's doing, it's small but it's evident. while he's someone who's usually anti-town regardless of alignment, his reasons are extremely weak and sketchy.

b) same for the evan thing, i'm being voted because i'm suspicious, why am i suspicious? because i'm suspicious, his posts offer little content to dissect so i'm just ignoring it at this point until i hear more from him

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ignore endless' quote srry

 

[glow]

I just feel like you been lurking a lot and avoiding the thread. Guess I didn't see your post about your SAT score. But my point on Bowie's quick reads still stands.

tfw ur main sr pushes ur other sr

 

[Endless]

@KermitTea I guess the moral of the story is to post when you have time to post and actually check things.

@Dolby I guess I can see from your point of view on that one. What's your opinion on Amazonevan?

 

[Kirbystarship]

You might not have seen this because it merged, but I asked you for scumleans

I don't have any scumleans, on Jacob I feel like he did explain himself so I'm back at null for him.

 

[glow]

It is a weak town lean. I have bad reads on day 1.

beep boop bop i am town

 

[Dolby]

@KermitTea I guess the moral of the story is to post when you have time to post and actually check things.

@Dolby I guess I can see from your point of view on that one. What's your opinion on Amazonevan?

Here's the thing, the plays that he's making seem more noobie than anything. He did say that he played on EpicMafia (and gave a brief rundown on the level of activity(low)), but I still have no idea the expectations of mafia on pretty much any other site. If I hear it's more ToS like, I'd be null on him, but if it's active, or like TBT in terms of post quality, I'd be fairly sus of him. So scumlean pending someone giving me a description of the skill level of epic mafia players

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More noobie as in he bandwagons and provides almost no reasoning (see most of TBT three years ago)

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beep boop bop i am town

Will you provide reasoning for the list of four you posted earlier (since this has likely changed, any scumleans then)

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ftr, I know that MS is generally regarded as good and MU as a spamfest, but besides that, nothing

 

[amazonevan19]

The reason I'm sussing people for little reason is because that's what a lot of people seem to be doing right now. This style of mafia is different than what I'm used to on both EpicMafia and the other forum I play on. In particular, on the other mafia forum I play, we conduct a LOT of communication via PMs, so I'm not as well-versed in reading people. I tend to be better at negotiating over PMs and finding out information by reconnaissance, not by reads.

With that being said, I'm going to read over what I missed here quickly and make any addendums as needed. I still have a bad feeling about Heyden (yeah, "because I do," not good reasoning, but I'm going to switch my vote anyway like I said I would a few hours ago). RN I'm not sure who it'll go to, and I don't want to just vote Dolby because that's what we seem to be moving towards, but if we have good reasoning against him I just might.

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I will note that f11 definitely seems to be teaming with Bowie and Dolby

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What made Abe townread me, then a few hours later scumread me and call me "wildly opportunistic" and illogical? Hm. If Abe could elaborate that'd be great.

 

[Dolby]

@Evan, look at 293. Doesn't have quotes, but it's a good TLDR of why Endless Susses you

 

[Heyden]

Endless' post did clear up some things. Turns out he wasn't really sussing you anyway, only stating if you were mafia, it'd make sense how you acted. I still sus you somewhat, and I'm not changing my vote again until I feel I have the right suspect. I don't like vote changing a lot and we still have time. But you, Dolby, and Jacob are for sure on my watch list. Makes sense?

With that being said, I'm going to read over what I missed here quickly and make any addendums as needed. I still have a bad feeling about Heyden (yeah, "because I do," not good reasoning, but I'm going to switch my vote anyway like I said I would a few hours ago). RN I'm not sure who it'll go to, and I don't want to just vote Dolby because that's what we seem to be moving towards, but if we have good reasoning against him I just might.

miley what's good

 

[amazonevan19]

All right, I get why Abe now doesn't like me. I can't and won't hide behind noobishness for my actions as I think that's a pretty lame thing to do. What I'll say is that Heyden seemed like a suspect to me because of Abe's initial analysis, then when Abe clarified I had to give a different reason to keep my vote, and it was pretty bad. Hence why I've stated multiple times I'm switching from Heyden. But between Dolby and Kirby (who seems helpful to town but I agree with Heyden that he seems quick to 180 for little reason) I'm not sure who to vote for. IK that no lynching is a terrible idea and that someone should go to collect info, but who?

 

[Dolby]

All right, I get why Abe now doesn't like me. I can't and won't hide behind noobishness for my actions as I think that's a pretty lame thing to do. What I'll say is that Heyden seemed like a suspect to me because of Abe's initial analysis, then when Abe clarified I had to give a different reason to keep my vote, and it was pretty bad. Hence why I've stated multiple times I'm switching from Heyden. But between Dolby and Kirby (who seems helpful to town but I agree with Heyden that he seems quick to 180 for little reason) I'm not sure who to vote for. IK that no lynching is a terrible idea and that someone should go to collect info, but who?

Why am I so high on this and what happened to Jacob being on your list?

 

[amazonevan19]

Why am I so high on this and what happened to Jacob being on your list?

I put you there because town seems to be voting between Heyden, you, and Kirby. Jacob has inexplicably seemingly been cleared for his rather boorish behavior earlier, but I still might vote for him. Idk.

inb4 sussed for indecisiveness when everyone has been incredibly indecisive

 

[Heyden]

All right, I get why Abe now doesn't like me. I can't and won't hide behind noobishness for my actions as I think that's a pretty lame thing to do. What I'll say is that Heyden seemed like a suspect to me because of Abe's initial analysis, then when Abe clarified I had to give a different reason to keep my vote, and it was pretty bad. Hence why I've stated multiple times I'm switching from Heyden. But between Dolby and Kirby (who seems helpful to town but I agree with Heyden that he seems quick to 180 for little reason) I'm not sure who to vote for. IK that no lynching is a terrible idea and that someone should go to collect info, but who?

you stated it once like 10 mins ago and even then u lied?? wtf are you on about

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whatever, i'll be back later on tonight

 

[Dolby]

I put you there because town seems to be voting between Heyden, you, and Kirby. Jacob has inexplicably seemingly been cleared for his rather boorish behavior earlier, but I still might vote for him. Idk.

inb4 sussed for indecisiveness when everyone has been incredibly indecisive

If this is about probable lynches, Heyden has two votes, both of which said they'd move, and I have one. If this was an hour before EOD I'd understand and support this sentiment, but at this point, pretty much any lynch could happen, and it's best to go after the people who you sus the most rather than worry about them not being viable lynch candidates

 

[amazonevan19]

you stated it once like 10 mins ago and even then u lied?? wtf are you on about

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whatever, i'll be back later on tonight

You're deliberately twisting my words. A few hours ago, I said I wouldn't switch until we get a better suspect. Now, a few minutes ago, I'd said I'd change, consistent with what I said prior. I'm sorry I didn't exactly say "OK GUYS I'MMA SWITCH FROM HEYDEN." But I don't appreciate your misleading everyone about my intentions. Perhaps I could have phrased it better, but everyone's paranoia is kind of nervewracking tbh.

 

[Heyden]

You're deliberately twisting my words. A few hours ago, I said I wouldn't switch until we get a better suspect. Now, a few minutes ago, I'd said I'd change, consistent with what I said prior. I'm sorry I didn't exactly say "OK GUYS I'MMA SWITCH FROM HEYDEN." But I don't appreciate your misleading everyone about my intentions. Perhaps I could have phrased it better, but everyone's paranoia is kind of nervewracking tbh.

that's not how i read it, and what if you never found a better suspect? then you wouldn't be switching off me, you wouldn't have switched off of me, therefore you never stated you would change your vote, don't twist mine :3
also why vote in the first place????? don't play the victim when you throw votes around with 0 reasoning

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let me rephrase that, if you never found a better suspect than me, you would've kept your vote on me, correct? therefore you never stated you were going to switch off of me, it was just that you might, depending on ~what changes~

 

[amazonevan19]

If this is about probable lynches, Heyden has two votes, both of which said they'd move, and I have one. If this was an hour before EOD I'd understand and support this sentiment, but at this point, pretty much any lynch could happen, and it's best to go after the people who you sus the most rather than worry about them not being viable lynch candidates

True, viability should be the least of my concerns with the deadline a while off yet. Having said that, I'mma go switch to Jacob since I feel his personal crusade against Zendal is probably the scummiest action thus far, and thus he's the scummiest option between you, Kirby, Heyden, and him.

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that's not how i read it, and what if you never found a better suspect? then you wouldn't be switching off me, you wouldn't have switched off of me, therefore you never stated you would change your vote, don't twist mine :3
also why vote in the first place????? don't play the victim when you throw votes around with 0 reasoning

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let me rephrase that, if you never found a better suspect than me, you would've kept your vote on me, correct? therefore you never stated you were going to switch off of me, it was just that you might, depending on ~what changes~

And I was pretty damn sure we'd find someone better by then. Again, I probably should have said it better, but I definitely intended to switch from you when I originally posted hours ago, and nothing has changed since then. You're painting me as someone who lied earlier, which I don't take very kindly to.

BTW I'm switching now, so all of your anger is now out the window.

 

[Endless]

Amazonevan, curious, would I happen to know you from EpicMafia?

@Dolby EpicMafia is probably my most played site in a way, I don't usually count it in the number of games I've played because I've only played 2 forum mafia games there.
(I've played about 30k chat games there)
The forum has a follow-the-clear style where important roles quickly claim and lead lynches, causing a lot of people to not have direction/expect to be lead. (Instead having a counterclaim to "fight") A lot of reads in it are also heavily chat-based, like speed of reaction. So EM skills convert very poorly to forum mafia.

 

[Heyden]

And I was pretty damn sure we'd find someone better by then. Again, I probably should have said it better, but I definitely intended to switch from you when I originally posted hours ago, and nothing has changed since then. You're painting me as someone who lied earlier, which I don't take very kindly to.

BTW I'm switching now, so all of your anger is now out the window.

well it's hard to know your intentions when you say something different to 'what you meant', also again, any reason for your potential jacob vote besides kat and karen already bringing up that policy lynching was 'scummy' or are you just sheeping on that too