What is the vote count? Things are a little eerily quiet before this goes down. Dedenne either has a Wolf buddy not defending them or is jester, in which case nobody cares if she goes. If we’re tied though we need to figure this out before deadline
there's only two votes on shawo, dedenne and ronishy, europeans who thought shawo was the wagon
everyone is is on dedenne
maf cares if jester dies
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if dedenne is jester, maf def know she is jester and would probably try to steer the vote away from her as a jester chop is better for maf on D2 than D1
or dedenne is just maf
either way this works. either flip can give a tell for who mafia is
Also I’m just going to get my thoughts out on shawo rn before EoD since it’s looking like a silent night will happen.
Shawo painted an interesting story but it was all self pres in the end. Miller claim was to cover for when they showed up as guilty upon scan. Cop wasn’t outed yet
Obviously RB can only realistically claim cop. GF has no reason to claim Miller either. So shawo has to be the RB
The mason claim was a rather brazen risk but makes sense given Daniel went along with it. Assuming real masons stayed quiet it’d have bought Shawo more time, made him look omega town in the process, and now he can spin this story to make it seem like he’s exhibited optimal town play. If not, he could always just get his teammate to play along and claim mason as well.
there's only two votes on shawo, dedenne and ronishy, europeans who thought shawo was the wagon
everyone is is on dedenne
maf cares if jester dies
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if dedenne is jester, maf def know she is jester and would probably try to steer the vote away from her as a jester chop is better for maf on D2 than D1
or dedenne is just maf
either way this works. either flip can give a tell for who mafia is
I lowkey think dedenne is jester like 60/40 chance jester vs. mafia. If dedenne is jester then I think tae is way more likely to be shawo’s scummate as she went into hyper defend shawo overdrive the moment shawo was getting voted on
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I think shawo’s reason for mason claiming was disingenuous. Yours seems genuine and nothing from your play would really suggest to me you aren’t who you claim you are
I lowkey think dedenne is jester like 60/40 chance jester vs. mafia. If dedenne is jester then I think tae is way more likely to be shawo’s scummate as she went into hyper defend shawo overdrive the moment shawo was getting voted on
i know with absolute certainty that dedenne will not flip bullet proof
regardless of dedenne's flip you guys should realize I am the real bulletproof in all of this
volt, if you believe dedenne flips jester, you should know maf is tae and that partner is probs evan
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also remember that keeping the jester alive today is better for maf so they can blitz vote jester if we chop town today! so maf would try to steer away from dedenne flip in either scenario
note that i tried to optimize my role by trying to protect the mason (i was wrong i admit) and note that Im calling for the most sensible chop within my group. had i been mafia, i wouldve realized dedenne is jester and wouldve tried to push for tae to die who would flip town and give no info on my role. tae has just accepted how things are
but this will all be easier if dedenne flips maf and you can ignore both of us
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@dedenne subtly slipped she was fake claiming and won just off that alone, very clever! much respect
anyway, the jester is no longer a late game threat, we can focus our reads on just town/wolf behavior, and we didn't chop any town, im still good with this
i hope its obvious to everyone now that tae is the wolf in this CC. i dont really think i need to explain this for the next 48 hrs. several players already predicted dedenne would flip jester, and townread me the most of the BP claims. so that shouldn't change now
everything i've done has been in the interest of town by trying to solve the game, or to optimize my play as a BP. I've engaged with everyone to get reactions and move the game forward. up until EoD, tae has avoided questioning mostly anyone, not shown any interest in solving basically anything (anyone remember any reads from tae except "I dont trust shawo or any of the claims"?) and has been one of the most passive voices here besides dedenne. note that while I've tried to sort through everyone in this game and figure out the outcomes of chopping jester/wolf dedenne, tae just agreed on a dedenne chop (even with me, who should be one of the people they distrust the most) and had never stated which one of me or dedenne was the wolf in the CC. none of what tae has done points to town motived behavior, except maybe the pissed reaction when I randomly called them maf
the biggest take tae has done in this game is not wanting to chop shawo and evan, but the reason not being they're more sure on me/dedenne, but because "cop claims should get a chance to out their results". which is flawed reasoning since its guaranteed that the real cop got role blocked, and both claims will claim they got blocked. so tae's biggest take is based on faulty reasoning. I wanted dedenne dead since i knew they weren't town and everyone else admitting to this
the biggest criticism i will probably get here is that I faked claimed mason with shawo; to which i ask, "what's the mafia motivation to claiming mason?". if youre going to say I claimed mason as wolf to cause confusion, that's poor reasoning, I wouldve done so much more if I wanted to confuse people. if I was a wolf, I would obviously know masons would CC me and Id get alot of attention, so where is the wolf benefit here?
I claimed mason as I thought shawo was a mason and wanted to protect his partner by swapping roles. if shawo flipped mason, i would be cleared as mason and maf would try to kill me next, which wouldn't work. or if I was attacked first, I wouldn't die and still clear shawo and his partner. i saw the chance to claim mason and to utilize my role to its fullest. tae did not try to optimize their BP claim
i was wrong with my read on shawo being mason and calling volt/ronishy maf at certain points, but town doesnt have perfect reads from the start
tae will probably defend themself by saying something along the lines of "dan is maf. vote me if you want to lose because im town". in which, i give the same arguement. tae, you'll have to explain how everything you've down this game was to solve/utilize the BP role
i'm not going to clog the thread and have a narrow argument with tae, since we'll never convince each other that the other is mafia. im not going to fight with tae, ive made my case and i should be the easiest town of the CCs to find. im more interested in using this time to solve the cop claims, which i have an idea who it is. more coming soon
we should definitely end this day with a tae chop, since I know with absolute certainty that tae will flip wolf and it seems most people townread me the most of the CCs and would agree, but we should focus most of this day solving evan/shawo
Makes sense to try to work out the cop situation and then decide who to start with for the vote after that. I do townread Damniel which kinda by default makes tae a mafialean out of the BPs, though I'd mentioned before why else I feel that way last phase.
But anyway, RE: evan vs shawo, I tried to sort of ISO evan mainly because shawo has SO MANY POSTS and it made it easier to sift through evan's and if tae flips mafia, I could kinda see them as partners?
Rn I lowkey don’t see why not to massclaim. It’ll make sc-mafia’s life harder.
I don’t know what to think about the two miller claims though. If shawo likes causing chaos that’s one thing but I can’t see how it’s helpful. Likeliest jester candidate so far
Epic, unfortunately mafia now know who not to waste a bullet on (provided you’re being truthful)
I guess I’ll claim, I’m the bumbling useless cop. How tf am I supposed to find out anything with a miller, a godfather, and the jester returning as town upon scan??
In most games where there’s few PRs, it benefits either fake or real cop to wait on claiming so you can gather results.
In a game like this where everyone is a PR, and cops have rather limited utility, I figured it would be best for me to get out there. I agreed with Dan so here I am.
Why didn't you claim cop from the get-go if you thought it was useless in this game from the beginning, and you had said that there wasn't a reason to massclaim before that?
If we're thinking tae is mafia, then I could see this being a minor distancing attempt to shade tae a little but not too strongly in case the BP CC situation wasn't getting resolved that phase.
After reconsidering, I’m actually inclined to believe ronishy is jester and volt is the mafia. Don’t think ronishy is being forthright and didn’t answer my objection to her (and seemingly Daniel’s) plan to investigate a cop claim. Though now that’s daniel explained why we would scan each other I guess that makes sense long as we vote for one of dedenne or tae. Breadcrumbing cop also can potentially better sow seeds of chaos - I don’t see jester volt behaving as they did
So that brings me to why I think volt is mafia. Volt had to have their claim beaten out of them and dedenne lowkey bleeds genuine to me even if I think her excuse is kinda lame. Given I think ronishy is most likely to be jester and dedenne the BP, that leaves volt as the jester by PoE
So that means, in the end, I think our mafia team is volt and tae, and volt is only maf leaning tae rn out of pressure to bus given tae coming under withering criticism from shawo
Again, IF tae is mafia, this is interesting because evan specifically mentioned tae acting like their usual town self and didn't mention any particular things from tae that were suspicious, but then put them in the mafia team at the end of the second post... but again without any specific reason in that whole post
Have to go look back through shawo's posts more closely tomorrow to really digest them, but wild as it was, I can see the motivation for cop to have done the miller-to-mason fakeclaims tbh. It's really hard to tell tho without knowing the meta on anyone here
yes i find evan the more viable partner with tae than shawo
shawo's mason claim as cop also looks town motivated as there isn't much to gain as wolf
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tbh we're better off finding the town in each pair since its significantly harder to look town than wolf. town can do weird things but that necessarily make it wolf motivated
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also with shawo, if he was wolf, why would he switch claims from CCing final arcadia to CCing evan? he basically let final arcadia get town cleared and instead push evan. whats the goal there? why not just keep up the miller claim and face off against arcadia? its not like he entered a CC group of 3 to increase the odds of survival. it just seems that shawo was indeed planning on claiming cop
If anyone has any questions about why I did what I did they can ask but I'm fairly certain I made it as clear as possible.
I'm fairly certain as long as you understand why I did what I did I should be townread. Considering the most likely outcome for me claiming mason/forcing nl was NL, you're also going to have to answer the question of
"what would shawo!mafia gain from NLing."
and "what would shawo!cop gain from NLing."
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I don't really townread dan at all they're just high effort I guess.
I'm not actuallly too interested in sorting out BP's right now, and would much prefer thoughts and reads in cop cc's.
The big thing that makes me want to townread Tae is the fact that they asked for a flip off cops (even though it was lowkey super incoherent.) While I was the one who was being lunched. So... that's just a really subtle way of saving me that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense from mafia. But you know, it could happen.
So as a humble request to the prs, to lunch in me/evan. So at least either I die, and we lose. Or evan dies, and we can analyze Dan/Tae more thoroughly under the reads/claims that have been given.
Since I know who mafia in cops is I can team read, but you guys can't do that until after a lunch.
The big thing that makes me want to townread Tae is the fact that they asked for a flip off cops (even though it was lowkey super incoherent.) While I was the one who was being lunched. So... that's just a really subtle way of saving me that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense from mafia. But you know, it could happen.
alternatively, I preferred to kill dedenne over cop claims, i didn't cling onto my vote on you for long. so you could reason me as town the same way in your PoV
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arcadia and ronishy should identify their biggest townread and chop the CC
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shawo, what is my maf motivation for claiming with you?
@Damniel pretty sure i didn’t “agree with your dedenne lunch” i was the one who swung the vote off of the potential cops. if i was actually mafia, why would i hard swing a vote off of potential town and onto jester when the jester would be absolutely vital to help mafia win this game?
just because you wall post doesn’t mean you’re helping town. you and shawo both had insane crazy claim trains all over the place causing a massive amount of chaos D1. and although i don’t completely believe you both can be mafteamates i’m pretty certain at least one of you is. :/
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i know that i’m bulletproof ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
and you can wall post all you want but that doesn’t erase the fact that you contributed to so much confusion D1 for town by playing your cards wrong. you’re a strong player but sometimes ballsy moves don’t work out man.
