Mafia TBT Mafia: Attack on Titan - [Game Over/Town Wins]

[Curry]

Entropy you're back to null for me for the time being due to recent developments, not saying I'm not sus of you still, but not nearly as much. Case on Chrys coming/

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I'll post my will after as well since I wrote one now.

 

[wild blue yonder]

My important posts were #464, #1735, #1831 and #1833, #1845 and #1854, though if my Sataric read is interesting to you, check my early posts in iso. I think my reasoning matters more than the colors, so please think critically about whether what I say resonates with what you know about these people. I do think my tae/curry not aligned read may be important but see if you agree with my logic; it's outlined in the second of my important posts and she def still wants the dude super dead.

My top townread is now shiida. It's harder to pinpoint who is scummy due to a Cad flip than who is town imo (possibly tae/Aya2order for being surprisingly high in her reads), but the people who made me lose confidence in my Cad suspicion were Alexi and entropy (deflects Ashtot's scumread on her). Doesn't necessarily make them scum but if they're town I'm a little frustrated with their incorrect early meta lmao, tbh it made me feel like i had **** inapplicable reads. I think Cad pushing entropy so much D1 and then randomly D3 is notable. I found the D1 push indicative of Cad scum and entropy town. The D3 stuff is what feels awkward/counterintuitive to me, because entropy relatively protected Cad D2, and entropy's response was meh. Then again, Cad townreading her D2 makes sense as a tactic to keep entropy off her back. I still think entropy is town all in all but you may have a different, valid conclusion based on all of that.

As for my Alexi read, I think her early push on Trundle was kinda slimy (calling out a bunch of no posters who are literally all town and throwing shade on him simultaneously) and her early posts made me go, wow, I'm not sure I buy that you're coming to your reads legitimately, or we just approach this game very differently. I think she could easily be a Cad buddy that tried to pass her off as a townread until the big mod q incident, and she pushes Ashtot and Sataric by focusing on their reads of Cad. I think Crys's death kinda implicates her and she's self conscious enough to point it out herself. Food for thought is her calling Curry "bad town" early. Alexi and tae have been the hardest for me to integrate other people's meta with out of everyone and so I don't feel confident but my gut dislikes her rn. Alexi if scum is prob with tae due to the clever read on me/tae/Tom's votes that she uses to defend tae when Tom dies; they seem to relatively ignore each other as well. And her read on him goes awkwardly from defending him for being aggressive, ignoring him, to "I think we all suspect tae now." She talks about Kevin and Curry somewhat negatively quite a bit. Distanxing not impossible but ya idk

Honestly I feel good about most of my townreads still. Cad's really reluctant to townread Miharu and specifically calls her out as not wanting to make enemies, and she tried to kill Heyden and then still puts him as null after d1 Tom stuff. She's negative toward Cory and Tardis. Entropy is one of her two initial scumreads along with Jacob. She's ragey at Kevin in a similar way to her being ragey at Shiida.

Plz pressure oath tia. I'm super curious if I'm right about that slot being mafia! I literally had a dream last night in which i got nightkilled in a game with Aya /Cad scum and i was so excited in it that my reads were right that I was fist pumping lmao I'm tunneled so hard plz read my case!

Because both Crys and Ashtot died without wills, I wanted to summarize their reads:
- Crys had a mixed opinion on tae vs Tardis but felt both weren't town postclaims, and consistently scumread both. She was really anti-Alexi (and thinks that's why Katz died) and p anti-Hayden. Started getting paranoid of Sataric before death. Strong townreads on entropy and Cory.
- Ashtot was confident in Trundle, Cory, entropy, shiida and Tardis town. Spat with Sataric. Didn't like Alexi and tae; mildly not Miharu.

/2

 

[glow]

Entropy you're back to null for me for the time being due to recent developments, not saying I'm not sus of you still, but not nearly as much. Case on Chrys coming/

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I'll post my will after as well since I wrote one now.

but why

 

[Kirbystarship]

i didn't make any tbh

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both of her wills sound kinda fake

How so?

 

[Curry]

but why

The quickest reason that I can mention is on your joke oath was super quick to ask if it's a slip, another thing he did with Daniel where he said he didn't think it would be a slip but then justified his vote with one of the reasons being it was a slip. Daniel flipped town. There's a few other reasons you're back to null but I'm working on this right now and that's the fastest one to explain.

 

[Kirbystarship]

I'm still sus of entropy.

 

[glow]

How so?

i'll say later

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I'm still sus of entropy.

let me guess: for being alive

 

[Kirbystarship]

i'll say later

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let me guess: for being alive

I'll explain more of it later.

 

[Curry]

Curry ? He?s starting to actually put in effort but with how he?s posting like, but then the other posts such as ?Called Cad being the goon? that?s just admitting to bussing her really.

Yeah lol, because if I was busing my teammate I'd be sure to let everyone know before they get lynched the exact role they are, because that makes sense. You've been trying to find a reason to call me scum this entire game and at this point you're basically just grabbing onto anything you possibly can. Ever since Day 1 you've been inconsistent but trying to call me scum saying that I'm following my meta but that I'm scum, then the next day saying I'm not following my meta and I'm scum, and now you're back to saying I'm showing effort. You also claimed entirely wrong information about me in your will even if Day 2 deaths weren't up, the point was still invalid because I commented on the Day 1 deaths. Now you're thinking I would share the role of one of my teammates before they get lynched? If you really think I'm scum, make a case against me that isn't shouting "you're not following meta!" because that's the best argument you've had against me this entire game.

I find it hilarious that you'll sit here and blame meta for me being scum but yet when I've already addressed you in two different posts with valid points you choose to ignore them. Yeah, I'm the scummy one for scum hunting and theorizing on what roles could be in play and who might have them. Let's not forget that I've been right both times people have flipped scum since that post. Oath's role I was wrong on, but he's part of scum like I thought. There's 12 people left in this game still. I voted for Tom, Cadbberry and was sus of oath. Do you REALLY think I'd be ballsy enough to bus THREE of my teammates and try and win a majority based game either alone or with one other partner, with no third party, when I'm on people's scum lists? What sense does that make at all?

Don't forget your other scum leans past Day 2 on Sataric:

Sataric ? I really thought sataric was town based on going through his previous games but I think I?m missing something here. Meta aside, he has given some pretty good thoughts, but it could just be a really good defense. with Daniel flipping blue and he had Sataric as a scumread, I'm thinking Daniel might've been onto something - don?t let him slide by this game.

You know who else Daniel scum read? You. So this can be directly pointed back to you as well. I'm starting to notice a pattern where everyone who you find scum in this game doesn't seem to follow their meta at some point this game, but then when someone brings up yours, you get defensive or flat out ignore it.

Hence one of your favorite your defenses is "if people would look into my meta they would see that I'm following it and I'm always scum read each game!" Meta isn't the entirety of mafia and this game matters more than what people did in the past. Look at Cad, Jacob, entropy, and probably more who all said they wanted to change meta. Meta can be helpful at times, but when it's your strongest reason for sus'ing someone and your best defense, it doesn't hold weight. Let's look at how many times you used meta alone as a defense for yourself:

Against Cad

Unusual tone choice... uh, okay. Maybe because every game I'm always in, I'm on at least a few players scum lists, even in xeno I was and I was the doctor. and if people actually took the time to look into meta, mine is no different from then.

Against Tardis

Explain what's off about my meta

In fairness to this one, Tardis literally said "and alexi something is off about her meta." as his only explanation, which is also part of the problem (for him, not you).

Against shiida

Yes I was scum in Trump. Although I don't remember sheeping you in that game.. ?? I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to get at though, but if I'm acting scummy and changing my play style then I can name a couple of others who are also doing that as well.

Also http://tbtmafia.wikia.com/wiki/Alexi if anyone would like to look into me more.

So here you're saying you'll name people who are scummy for changing their play style but when someone calls you out for off meta you say, "oh well I can say other people who are doing it too!" and don't think it's scummy of you. Someone blames you for meta and so you try to pawn it off on other people because of another meta argument.

It's funny cause these defenses are Day 2 and later. Day 1, I can see maybe. Not much has happened in the thread and people are shouting "Meta! Meta! Meta!" but when you're using these as defenses passed Day 1 is when it starts to get scummy. One of the biggest reasons I don't participate early game is BECAUSE it's so much meta talk. I've been in one game prior to this and didn't know **** about meta then, and tbh meta talk just flat out bores me so I don't comment on it much now. Sometimes, but not always and I never use meta as my only defense unless someone just says "your meta is off Curry." with no other reasoning. If meta is determined off of one game and a micro and I have to play identical to that each time I play so I don't look like scum, then that's stupid af.

I also love how you say this when you are pushed to defend yourself

Lol.
Why did you put that in quotes
I could say the same about a few others and I fail to see how I'm acting scummy but whatever really, I stopped defending myself a while ago cause it's just adding more useless banter to this game.

Clearly cases and defenses are useless banter to the game. It's funny because you're saying you don't see a need to defend yourself more when that was one of the reasons you criticized Daniel, one of the only people you made a valid case on, even if he did flip town.

Daniel I love how you're ignoring all suspicion of you.

Kevin Id love to know why/how I'm suspicious at all. seeing as how I ended up voting for Tom yet you didn't ?

I'm looking into cadbberry more. At first I thought her play style was just she was trying to improve but that "townslip" seems way off too me. Also looking more into tardis since apparently I'm writing his posts for him l m a o. I think if tardis was mafia he would've n1d me but will have a better read on everyone once I fully wake up.

So it's okay for you to not defend yourself, but yet when someone avoids defending themselves, it's scummy.

Again like I mentioned with tae, you're one of the people who call people out for filler posts, which is hypocritical when you post things like:

lol

what the hell.

One of the best goodbye posts I've seen in a while.

these 48 hr days and 24 hr nights are killing me

what will today's dinner give us?

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that was horrible sorry

I'll be honest, you''re actually one of the least guilty of this, but if you're going to call me scum solely for filler and meta, take a look at your own posts. And before you say it, this point is a bit hypocritical to me too. I have a **** ton of filler this game, but like I said, up until I made my massive post I really just didn't give a **** about this game. Now I do, and now I'm seeing just how hypocritical people who blame filler posts as a scum read for someone are.

It's really convenient in your Day 2 will you townread (dark greened) tae but then Day 3 goes on and people start to sus tae and now all of a sudden he's a scum read for you? You admitted to flipping, but again one of your biggest reasons is that he has no scum meta. Notice in my case against tae I didn't once mention tae's meta. It shouldn't be a big point in why someone is scum read imo, especially when like me, you say he's following his aggressive meta flat out, but he has no scum meta so therefore he's scummy. Plus the Vig claim like other people have mentioned.

This whole game you've made cases on people who got mislynched, voted for a person who then flipped Doc on D3 when he showed up dead, blamed meta and poor reasoning or sometimes wrong reasoning in your wills for some of your sus reads. If you get lynched and flip green/blue I will **** a brick and happily accept any punishment given to me.

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My will:

I think I was on the right track on my theory of who is playing us as the mafia. Remember to not town lock everyone and never look back because I definitely think someone is playing us and I don't want this to turn out like Xeno where it becomes too little too late when people start to recognize it. As such, here is my final color coded list:

Alexi/Chrystina
Cory
Entropy
Tardis2016/KirbyStarship
Dolby
Heyden
taesaek
Bingo/Trundle
Sataric
Oath2Order
Kevinnn
Wild Blue Yonder
Shiida
Miharu

Miharu was a town lean until her posts around Cad's death which made me rethink.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I shot Oath just for clarification. Was reading through Ayaya's posts and then saw yonder's case and her read on Cad made it blatantly obvious

 

[Cory]

wow hayden...
and i was right about oath

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im not sus of entropys "slip" because oath said it

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oath says to wotc me bc i was right

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Could we make days a day now?

 

[Minties]

Could we make days a day now?

It's currently exam period, so no. Days will become shorter after this cycle.

 

[Cory]

It's currently exam period, so no. Days will become shorter after this cycle.

fair enough

 

[piichinu]

i didnt write a will bc my reads havent changed since my last post but uhhh
it seems like the 2 most sus rn r taesaek and alexi? y/n? sorry i might not be online much today i have the ACT tmrw and im studying.

 

[Kevinnn]

Four votes on Chrys, oh man.
I really thought the voting would've started on Tae.

 

[Kirbystarship]

I would like to see Alexi role claim before I vote for her.

 

[glow]

vote alexi or we vote you d5

 

[Kirbystarship]

vote alexi or we vote you d5

Why are you forcing me to vote for Alexi? I would like to know her role before we lynch her.

 

[Chrystina]

Hahahahaa. Wow. and wheres your case on me entropy?


I see none besides Curry's which I'll defend after I actually wake up

 

[Chrystina]

Yeah lol, because if I was busing my teammate I'd be sure to let everyone know before they get lynched the exact role they are, because that makes sense. You've been trying to find a reason to call me scum this entire game and at this point you're basically just grabbing onto anything you possibly can. Ever since Day 1 you've been inconsistent but trying to call me scum saying that I'm following my meta but that I'm scum, then the next day saying I'm not following my meta and I'm scum, and now you're back to saying I'm showing effort. You also claimed entirely wrong information about me in your will even if Day 2 deaths weren't up, the point was still invalid because I commented on the Day 1 deaths. Now you're thinking I would share the role of one of my teammates before they get lynched? If you really think I'm scum, make a case against me that isn't shouting "you're not following meta!" because that's the best argument you've had against me this entire game.

Before we get into meta let's remind everyone here that you've only played 2 games - that isn't much to go off of. I can't even use meta against you since you have no scum meta, I'm going from the fact that you're not following your town meta and I've been sure of that since night 1/day 2. I already answered the part about "putting wrong info in my will" about the deaths, yet this is like the third time you're bringing it up.. ?? Why are you being repetitive and redundant.

I find it hilarious that you'll sit here and blame meta for me being scum but yet when I've already addressed you in two different posts with valid points you choose to ignore them. Yeah, I'm the scummy one for scum hunting and theorizing on what roles could be in play and who might have them. Let's not forget that I've been right both times people have flipped scum since that post. Oath's role I was wrong on, but he's part of scum like I thought. There's 12 people left in this game still. I voted for Tom, Cadbberry and was sus of oath. Do you REALLY think I'd be ballsy enough to bus THREE of my teammates and try and win a majority based game either alone or with one other partner, with no third party, when I'm on people's scum lists? What sense does that make at all?

Okay, and you think I'm scum even though lets look at my votes:

##unvote
##vote Tom

##Vote: Cadbberry

I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm waiting for you to make a decent case and finally when you made one on tae I was just waiting for mine. This is the most town-lean thing you've done, even if you are entirely wrong.

Don't forget your other scum leans past Day 2 on Sataric:

You know who else Daniel scum read? You. So this can be directly pointed back to you as well. I'm starting to notice a pattern where everyone who you find scum in this game doesn't seem to follow their meta at some point this game, but then when someone brings up yours, you get defensive or flat out ignore it.

That quote you provided I literally said "meta aside" so why is it your only focus towards me right now, especially when you say here..

Hence one of your favorite your defenses is "if people would look into my meta they would see that I'm following it and I'm always scum read each game!" Meta isn't the entirety of mafia and this game matters more than what people did in the past.

What I put in bold because it really is. This is such a huge contradiction from the above. Meta should always be a reason for reading people, which is why I keep telling people to look back in Trump and point out how I am following that play style at all.

Look at Cad, Jacob, entropy, and probably more who all said they wanted to change meta. Meta can be helpful at times, but when it's your strongest reason for sus'ing someone and your best defense, it doesn't hold weight. Let's look at how many times you used meta alone as a defense for yourself:

Against Cad


Against Tardis

In fairness to this one, Tardis literally said "and alexi something is off about her meta." as his only explanation, which is also part of the problem (for him, not you).

Against shiida

So here you're saying you'll name people who are scummy for changing their play style but when someone calls you out for off meta you say, "oh well I can say other people who are doing it too!" and don't think it's scummy of you. Someone blames you for meta and so you try to pawn it off on other people because of another meta argument.

Once again, I have yet to see at all how I'm following by play from Trump, the only time I was mafia. In Xeno I was also being scumread, which is why I'm either mafia or I have to soft as a PR for suspicion to be off of me because people are failing to give cases of how I'm being scummy. Cad literally just said "your tone" maybe because I'm trying not to soft this time ?? Look at Jacob day 1, his posts were literally robotic and he was being scumread. Not sure why you provided what Tardis said??? You just made him look bad if anything. And notice how he didn't explain that either.

It's funny cause these defenses are Day 2 and later. Day 1, I can see maybe. Not much has happened in the thread and people are shouting "Meta! Meta! Meta!" but when you're using these as defenses passed Day 1 is when it starts to get scummy. One of the biggest reasons I don't participate early game is BECAUSE it's so much meta talk. I've been in one game prior to this and didn't know **** about meta then, and tbh meta talk just flat out bores me so I don't comment on it much now. Sometimes, but not always and I never use meta as my only defense unless someone just says "your meta is off Curry." with no other reasoning. If meta is determined off of one game and a micro and I have to play identical to that each time I play so I don't look like scum, then that's stupid af.

Then why are you still trying to bring meta up against me. Like.... start giving me some reasons that I'm being scummy from this game ?? I honestly don't know what you're trying to do. Are you saying I'm mafia because I'm using meta as a way to read people?

I also love how you say this when you are pushed to defend yourself


Clearly cases and defenses are useless banter to the game. It's funny because you're saying you don't see a need to defend yourself more when that was one of the reasons you criticized Daniel, one of the only people you made a valid case on, even if he did flip town.


So it's okay for you to not defend yourself, but yet when someone avoids defending themselves, it's scummy.

Actually besides I gave up on people who are going to scumread me when they won't deliver with a case. Trundle literally can't read me without a claim, Crys was just saying I'm mafia with no reasoning whatsoever, and entropy has been scumreading me since day 2 with still no case. You finally did, and look what I'm doing; defending myself.

Again like I mentioned with tae, you're one of the people who call people out for filler posts, which is hypocritical when you post things like:



I'll be honest, you''re actually one of the least guilty of this, but if you're going to call me scum solely for filler and meta, take a look at your own posts. And before you say it, this point is a bit hypocritical to me too. I have a **** ton of filler this game, but like I said, up until I made my massive post I really just didn't give a **** about this game. Now I do, and now I'm seeing just how hypocritical people who blame filler posts as a scum read for someone are.

It's really convenient in your Day 2 will you townread (dark greened) tae but then Day 3 goes on and people start to sus tae and now all of a sudden he's a scum read for you? You admitted to flipping, but again one of your biggest reasons is that he has no scum meta. Notice in my case against tae I didn't once mention tae's meta. It shouldn't be a big point in why someone is scum read imo, especially when like me, you say he's following his aggressive meta flat out, but he has no scum meta so therefore he's scummy. Plus the Vig claim like other people have mentioned.

This whole game you've made cases on people who got mislynched, voted for a person who then flipped Doc on D3 when he showed up dead, blamed meta and poor reasoning or sometimes wrong reasoning in your wills for some of your sus reads. If you get lynched and flip green/blue I will **** a brick and happily accept any punishment given to me.

uh.. the "what the hell" was when Daniel claimed and maybe once you guys lynch me and I flip my role you would know why I don't believe all these PR's and why I'm scumreading tae. I explained why I flip flopped from tardis to tae, all I know is one of them isn't the vig. and going back on tae's posts, it's quite apparent. Your case actually brought that to light so I applaud you for that.
I have barely ANY filler posts, you're ISOing my posts and taking whatever you can find but if you actually read through the game, I'm always one with top posts, and they aren't useless banter that actually contribute to the game. I say one horrible joke, and oh man guess I'm scum huh. This entire case makes no sense and I feel like you're grasping at straws here.