Okay, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be taken too personally... The one key element you mentioned there is that you want the town's trust... It's a fifty-fifty gamble, but as of the moment, I think it is more 60-40, with Mafia in the lead. I am not extremely sure, but I just wanted to point this out. I point out I am new because I am: I am not trying to steal your position in office, I am just sharing my thoughts. Again, I am sorry if I am horribly wrong, but I was just pointing this out...
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Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]
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Okay, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be taken too personally... The one key element you mentioned there is that you want the town's trust... It's a fifty-fifty gamble, but as of the moment, I think it is more 60-40, with Mafia in the lead. I am not extremely sure, but I just wanted to point this out. I point out I am new because I am: I am not trying to steal your position in office, I am just sharing my thoughts. Again, I am sorry if I am horribly wrong, but I was just pointing this out...
I understand the cautiousness, but like you said no one has proof of their roles. People should always question those running, but in the end we are just going to have to trust that they are the role they say they are. Also with the last game, do you suggest that we ignore convincing arguments and promises just because it ended up badly last game?
kittenrobotarmy
JOLLY COOPERATION
No, but I think we should be extra careful. Put yourself in the Mayor's shoes and think "Would I keep all these promises if I was a Mafia Mayor? What would I do to convince the Town I'm a part of them while killing them off?" After you've come up with these answers, you might find it easier to pick out Mafia members because you'd already answered yourself on how you'd carry out these things while trying to stay in your Mayor/Sheriff position.
Have you come up with these answers then? It would benefit Town to know what to look for.
kittenrobotarmy
JOLLY COOPERATION
Personally, for the promises, I would try to hold them up. Karla, as you have promises for both Mayor and Sheriff, it would be harder for you to hold these up if you were mafiaso. I would attempt to piece the Town together, like making points and trying to turn attention away from some people into fellow mafiaso, to have people believe I was Town.
For convincing the town, I would mostly do the above. I wouldn't make sure Town people were always killed, and let the Town decide. This was their downfall last game, because Kayla and Justin did not really make the decision go some other way. It was our fault we lynched so many Town members, which is why we should watch. Do the Mayor and Sheriff try to have us answer questions that make us believe people are Mafia? Do they use good evidence and strive to lynch Mafia? This type of Mayor is probably Town. One that lets us make our own decisions? Either a really bad Town Mayor or a Mafia Mayor.
Does this help?
For convincing the town, I would mostly do the above. I wouldn't make sure Town people were always killed, and let the Town decide. This was their downfall last game, because Kayla and Justin did not really make the decision go some other way. It was our fault we lynched so many Town members, which is why we should watch. Do the Mayor and Sheriff try to have us answer questions that make us believe people are Mafia? Do they use good evidence and strive to lynch Mafia? This type of Mayor is probably Town. One that lets us make our own decisions? Either a really bad Town Mayor or a Mafia Mayor.
Does this help?
I may be missing your point completely, but you believe a mayor that allows everyone to make their own decisions...a bad mayor? I mean I understand that a good mayor strives to use evidence and lynch mafia,but what happens if they didn't get evidence and they were wrong. They accidentally get an innocent killed, are you automatically going to bandwagon and say the mayor is mafia due to killing the innocent, and going back to what happened last game?
kittenrobotarmy
JOLLY COOPERATION
If everyone makes their own decisions and the Mayor and Sheriff don't step in to give a clear lead on lynching, it spells for disaster. I'm not trying to say a Mayor that kills an innocent is automatically Mafia. But if they are repeatedly killing Town members and the officials aren't doing much about that, I don't think they're Town. Mafia did die, yes, but that was Kayla and Jub's plan to make sure they were considered to be Town last game. Only 2 mafiaso died of lynching, one was modkill. If you were a Mafia Mayor, I'd think you'd sacrifice 1 or 2 mafiaso to stay out of the spotlight.
Everyone thought they were trustworthy anyways, there were only, like, 2 people that suspected either of them.
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I know I shouldn't base everything off of last game, but that was a big example that all of us fell into. Those Mafia tactics might be used again without us knowing it, and it's better to stop the Mafia before they get to use them.
Everyone thought they were trustworthy anyways, there were only, like, 2 people that suspected either of them.
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I know I shouldn't base everything off of last game, but that was a big example that all of us fell into. Those Mafia tactics might be used again without us knowing it, and it's better to stop the Mafia before they get to use them.
MyLifeIsCake
~Impossomble~
Exactly this. Last game our mayor was corrupt and barley lead the town because he has more improratnt stuff to discuss with the mafia. Did the last mayor really care innocents were lynched? Not really, it was one closer twords his goal. But you also can not assume that just because a mafia member was successfully lynched by the Mayor that they are innocent either. Sometimes mafia has to make sacrifices to make them look pro town. What was scary about the town leaders in last game, was that they were both being spoon fed information by blue roles. The entire blue roles trusted what they said, and in the end the town played the price for it (Although it also had to do with a combo of mod-killings and spam) I am a bit skeptical if the mayor/sheriff is fishing for information via PMs because, like what was said before, they may be trying to help the town, or be playing for the other team (by this, I mean mafia, not that other thing)
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Ops this was my first post I have no idea why that was quoted twice *^*
Kippla, I thought the main reason we (town) lost last game was due to four people getting killed through inactivity... But that is just me.
Anyways, Karla, I think I am unfortunately with Kippla here... Sorry, Karla, it is just one of those too good to be true scenarios. You promise all these good things. BowserFanGurl1999, I think you are just inactive, but voting for Karla straight off the dot (I don't remember the saying) makes Karla and you suspicious. PikaSweet, I would convict you, just you unvoted. But, I am still suspicious. Go ahead, people. Lynch me, on Day 2. I don't care. I could be making a good point, I could be screwing around.
Anyways, Karla, I think I am unfortunately with Kippla here... Sorry, Karla, it is just one of those too good to be true scenarios. You promise all these good things. BowserFanGurl1999, I think you are just inactive, but voting for Karla straight off the dot (I don't remember the saying) makes Karla and you suspicious. PikaSweet, I would convict you, just you unvoted. But, I am still suspicious. Go ahead, people. Lynch me, on Day 2. I don't care. I could be making a good point, I could be screwing around.
kittenrobotarmy
JOLLY COOPERATION
Isn't that the exact reason we should be careful? The blue roles were too trusting and all completely gave in to the officials. That's why they attacked us so well.
Also, I noticed something last game. Justin and Kayla both promised to try and hold the Town together. But, as you said, they were barely posting (at least, Justin wasn't). They never held up their promises. I know this sounds obvious, but think about it! In all the confusion of dead Town members, no one paid attention to what our two officials said they would do. Therefore, that would've been a good piece of evidence for lynching. I'm pretty sure it was brought up but no one paid attention to it.
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This is all just my thinking, guys. I can't say any of it for absolutely certain.
I agree with Kippla... I realize now I said I wasnt't going to be that active... *Looks at post history* Whoa.
Anyways, please, people, I am begging you, someone disprove all of my posts! That would make life much easier. This could be taken as a challenge, but it is waaaaaayyyyy too early in the game to be nailing down Mafia. As for now, I sit against the wall, and watch the pandemonium commence, along with lynn105, WHO I HIGHLY SUGGEST BE ACTIVE THIS GAME, as we watch everybody bicker, only to speak up if we notice something...
Anyways, please, people, I am begging you, someone disprove all of my posts! That would make life much easier. This could be taken as a challenge, but it is waaaaaayyyyy too early in the game to be nailing down Mafia. As for now, I sit against the wall, and watch the pandemonium commence, along with lynn105, WHO I HIGHLY SUGGEST BE ACTIVE THIS GAME, as we watch everybody bicker, only to speak up if we notice something...
Mayor Speech
If you vote for me as Mayor, I will try my best to help the town, such as pardoning bad bandwagon. (If I'm sheffif.) Also, I'm not gonna make promises I don't have control over, unlike Karla. For example, I can't keep the town from losing people, because the Mafia's going to strike, but I will try my best to look back at previous post and see why they were killed and then decide on who might of done it.- - - Post Merge - - -
So, basically, I'll try to the best of my ability to find out who the mafia is and lynch them.
... what? How on earth can you be awfully sure? The only players who know anything at this stage of the game are the Mafia, who know their teammates. Without a single night phase yet, you cannot be sure of anyone's status, as a town player. I'm surprised nobody else has pointed this bit out.
You're either way too trusting (we're a couple hours into the game right now and you are awfully sure someone is town?), mafia, or cheating.
MyLifeIsCake
~Impossomble~
So... um you basically summarized what every mayor should do for the town and that's what you're running on?
Well, If it's what a good mayor should do, why shouldn't I do it? And I can't really promise anything else, because they're only some much I can do. But, I'll try my best to protect the innocent!
kittenrobotarmy
JOLLY COOPERATION
Technically, Hikari's saying he won't make promises to do something, but will try to do what he should. Example, he won't promise to hold the Town together because he can't keep that promise. The game is crazy and everyone has an opinion.
ok hi guys sorry ive been lurking for like 2 hours ive been rereading everything // (i dont wanna spam the thread ahh//)
how is it too good to be true?
because hes talking sense?
hes a pro ?? is it not possible to have a good player who wants to be mayor and is townie?
people promised the good things last game but they never did it. they promised they won't let us bandwagon, that they would come up with theories, and that they would guide the town to the right place. but they never did. they were all empty promises y'know. but i feel like karla goes deeper than promising us.
its okay to be suspicious, yeah. but karla isnt asking for blues to pm him if he does become mayor ??
i havent made up my mind yet (we have 2 days after all) but i think karla seems good
how is it too good to be true?
because hes talking sense?
hes a pro ?? is it not possible to have a good player who wants to be mayor and is townie?
people promised the good things last game but they never did it. they promised they won't let us bandwagon, that they would come up with theories, and that they would guide the town to the right place. but they never did. they were all empty promises y'know. but i feel like karla goes deeper than promising us.
its okay to be suspicious, yeah. but karla isnt asking for blues to pm him if he does become mayor ??
i havent made up my mind yet (we have 2 days after all) but i think karla seems good
Well, awfully as in a bad adjective; skeptical. S/he pointed out good points, and, I somewhat believed, but then got suspicious after he/she directed me to a different person for mayor almost instantly after trying to point out Karla as Mafia. All I am saying is that I am an awful player, and think that this is kind of like the Hunger Games in a respect: You have to have allies to win. At least in the beginning. It just makes it that much harder if you don't. Of course, you will have to turn tail and run eventually... Or face it head on. Whichever you choose.
This is my humble, honest opinion. I'm pretty mixed about who to vote for, but out of the triangle of the candids, Karla is in the lead.
My thoughts on Karla: Honestly, I can't see much suspicion aside from his campaign. His plan could end up being a vital piece of info to town, which is most likely. I'm not saying he is confirmed Town or anything, but whether he is on either of the three (or two if you're not counting Assassin) sides, he contributed something important. No Mafia in their right mind would contribute a long piece of info to Town, unless it's a plan of some sort (Like Kayla's plan last game), so, Karla is someone we shouldn't keep on attacking, but someone we should watch. I'm not trying to defend anyone here, but those are my thoughts. I can't change anyone's opinions.
My thoughts on Karla: Honestly, I can't see much suspicion aside from his campaign. His plan could end up being a vital piece of info to town, which is most likely. I'm not saying he is confirmed Town or anything, but whether he is on either of the three (or two if you're not counting Assassin) sides, he contributed something important. No Mafia in their right mind would contribute a long piece of info to Town, unless it's a plan of some sort (Like Kayla's plan last game), so, Karla is someone we shouldn't keep on attacking, but someone we should watch. I'm not trying to defend anyone here, but those are my thoughts. I can't change anyone's opinions.
Okay, my apologies for lashing out at you then. To me, it reads as very sure. Whoever that was though, I'd agree that does sound a little suspicious.
