Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

[Chris]

As in someone was really pushing for a person to get lynched who ended up being town. Would you have suspicions on that person now, completely disregard them, reveal who had that suspicion to the entire thread, or what?

I'd reveal it because it would be beneficial to town to know this information.

 

[Superpenguin]

However you responded you are not and then changed your response when presenting to it to the public.

I hinted at my role in a post. Even then, it was really subtle and I would be surprised if anyone actually managed to pick up on it. My response to you and the response I quoted in the thread have the same message, though worded differently because I do not save the messages that I send so I do not know the exact wording I used.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Wanting us to feel like a community and work together as a town? More discussion? Not always going along with the mayoral decision? Sounds a little familiar.

I don't really see why you even bothered posting this. Obviously two people with a town mentality are going to want similar things for the town. Just because you both have similar views and used them in your campaign post doesn't mean she is stealing or trying to take your spotlight in any way.

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Even though my vote is leaning towards Tina right now, my biggest problem is that she's too good with words. That is something consistent in her play as both Mafia & Town ... she is able to post in a Town mindset very easily without causing slip ups. She is very cautious with her words. In my opinion, so far she's the candidate that is telling us what we want to hear as opposed to the others .. who have already been called out on stuff people didn't really agree or approve of. This isn't necessarily a bad thing.

That's what I forgot to post earlier. When I was posting what I liked about Tina's post, I was going to add about how good she is with words. She had me convinced in Mafia III that she was a town player at first and even after she was accused, it was hard for me to actually go through and lynch her. There are, as you said, pros and cons of her well-worded posts. It's hard to tell whether or not she really is mafia, but if she were put in a leader position, I think it may be a bit easier because the spotlight would often be on her (as it always tends to be with mayors in Mafia games) and people will definitely analyze her posts. Also, she's bound to get checked by detectives, so unless she is the godfather, it'd be hard to hide her true colors. (Sorry, I'm rambling a bit.)

As for how the game is going so far, I feel like not just the candidates, but everyone should be preparing to share their suspicions for the first lynch. As I said last game, everyone should be gathering evidence and reading through posts. Try to find flaws or things that seem suspicious in everybody's posts. It shouldn't be the mayor's duty to find and lynch a scum by themselves.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Also, I just wanted to point out that Lauren has not yet posted this game except before it started. It'd be nice to hear from her.

 

[Laurina]

After what happened in the elections during Mafia III, it's a bit discouraging to want to run for Mayor again. I do have interest in the role of Mayor. Hopefully you all won't be too set on a Mayor so early in the game and give me a chance when and if I decide to make it official.

I'd like to put my name in for the consideration of being elected Mayor.
Many of you may remember, I tried to run for the election in Mafia III, but only to see my speech get swept under the rug. I did eventually, somewhat step down due to the lack of acknowledgement and the safety net of my role (Veteran). It was also very true, at the time, that me being elected would have been a huge gamble on the town since I had no background experience (I took no part in Mafia I, and I was killed night one in Mafia II with a townie/miller role. I'd also like to make it clear that I took no part in Mini Mafia, so you probably won't see me digging for any evidence there).

Spoiler: Election in Mafia III

If there is a chance that Karla gets elected and turns out to be scum... that's where I come in. To be honest, I'd prefer the role of Sheriff over Mayor. As many of you may know I was killed night one of the previous game. Not because the Mafia was trying to frame someone for a reason behind my death, and not because I was the most important role out there (I was Miller, if they left me in the game the town would have probably lynched me anyways), but because they saw me as a strong player for the town. I will analyze posts, I will study voting patterns, I will check on differences of activity. I do listen to what other people have to say through their opinions, but keep my final decisions my own. Just because I have an opinion on someone, doesn't mean it's set in stone. Last game, I never got the chance to show the town my full potential and this is my second chance if you all just hear me out. There are many promises I'd love to make, but I won't because I don't want to lie or disappoint all of you. It would look pretty bad on my part if I made all these promises to you now, and never fulfill them all with all the bumps along the way since the town will eventually turn their backs on me and have that reason to lynch me down the road. As a sheriff, I do plan on gaining the trust of my fellow town members. I don't mean I'm going to pester you to tell me your roles, tell you who to find suspicious, or make wild accusations without solid evidence. I plan on using private messaging to my advantage to talk with the town. I'll be watching how you word things, how you're changing your opinions, how you're doing things that people are finding suspicious. That way I can confront you, personally, on why you're doing what you're doing, and if it's just a misunderstanding I'll be there to guide you. I need to gain every bit of trust all of you have to offer, and that way, later on in the game, I'll be able to use any necessary pardons and incarcerations wisely. I want to help prevent the whole "well, this is going to be a huge hit or miss lynch" from happening. The Mafia can see everything we do. They will kill off the strong players, and leave the weak to bury themselves in their own graves. If necessary, I'm willing to dedicate my time to "train" those who need to cut the spam level down. Come to me if you need to voice your thoughts, opinions, and evidence but nobody will listen to you because they find you "suspicious" or "dumb". If you give me something I firmly believe, I'll make sure the town hears it out and post on behalf of you and help back you up or defend you. This will help us cut down on wasteful lynches. There are a few new players out there and some players other might consider "bad" due to their strategies or involvement with their game. We need to be alert and focus on the difference between a bad player and a scummy player. I truly believe I'm a strong asset to the town, and I'll do anything to make you all believe in me as well.

Overall, my plans and strategy has not changed from the previous game. I was a Mafia target during the night one attack, but survived until night four. I was very fortunate to be apart of Karla's PM circle along with Kuma and Trundle. Even being in a PM circle should not make you automatically trust who you're talking to. Late in the game, I drew out suspicions on Kuma, and had to move past it with bigger concerns after realizing and being convinced she was indeed the Detective. I did hold back quite a bit during the PM circle because at the time (up to after my death, actually) I did not have trust in Mayor Trundle. So I kept my suspicions to Karla to a minimum while building cases outside of the PM circle. This is one of the reasons why I encourage PM circles. At least to get your basic concerns out on the table. "This player has been posting, but nothing worth contributing. I think they're just being a distraction. Do you think it's worth me building a case over?" "What do you think about this post, this person, what did they mean by this? etc." It's a way to validate your opinions that may hold up a strong case. And if it does backfire I'll be there to back you up saying I shared similar opinions and my thoughts on whatever the situation, and eventually try to get things back on track. I'd prefer it if people watched out for those you think you can trust, and if it feels right start a PM circle later in the game when you start figuring out where people may stand and how they utilize information on patterns/behavior, strategies, suspicions and evidence.

As for the first lynch, huge hit or miss. I do not want a repeat of the FoxWolf lynch. It was assumed that he would be a gamble to the town whatever role he may have held and wouldn't contribute or be of asset. How sudden the decision came down is what I'd like to avoid. I probably wouldn't be PMing players early in the game, but I'll most likely be on IRC to talk things out or on Mumble. Aside fro that, I also want those in the thread to know what is going on. I'll try my best to make sure everybody has a clear understanding of why this person is up for the lynch, and for the majority of the people to agree on it. Lurkers and those inactive seems to be a good place to start. To be a strong town, we need you all to be heard and for all of you to contribute. If you feel like your name is being called out and it's unfair I want to see you defend yourself.

"His vote will also allow for an instant majority lynch when the person he votes for receives 50% of the votes."
If you take a look at my voting patterns in the past games, I tend to vote closer to the deadline. I purposely do that to take every opinion into consideration. Whether it is new evidence, odd behavior, or someone defending another player with good reasoning. I will most likely stick to my usual voting behavior no. Unless I, along with the rest of the town, has absolutely no doubt that this person is scum.

If you have any other questions concerning me or my campaign, please speak up. I probably won't get to it later tonight since I'll probably take a nap. But I'll read through the thread when I get back. Thank you!

 

[Superpenguin]

Also, she's bound to get checked by detectives, so unless she is the godfather, it'd be hard to hide her true colors. (Sorry, I'm rambling a bit.)

The Godfather can put their role on any mafia player at the end of the day. If any mafia member gets elected, chances are they will get the Godfather role.

 

[EpicGamer12]

The Godfather can put their role on any mafia player at the end of the day. If any mafia member gets elected, chances are they will get the Godfather role.

That is a good point. Thanks for reminded me, as that is a new role, if I remember correctly.
So, really, any mafia who gets elected will probably end up being able to hide from the detectives. I'd say, either way, it wouldn't be too difficult to find the mafia anyway. I really don't think any of the candidates are scum anyways, especially not you, Superpenguin. I understand that people think you're being too aggressive and "trying too hard" but that's your play-style. You are always quite aggressive, and as you are running for Leader, you would definitely want to drill into people's minds that you mean business.

 

[Superpenguin]

That is a good point. Thanks for reminded me, as that is a new role, if I remember correctly.
So, really, any mafia who gets elected will probably end up being able to hide from the detectives. I'd say, either way, it wouldn't be too difficult to find the mafia anyway. I really don't think any of the candidates are scum anyways, especially not you, Superpenguin. I understand that people think you're being too aggressive and "trying too hard" but that's your play-style. You are always quite aggressive, and as you are running for Leader, you would definitely want to drill into people's minds that you mean business.

The only reason the mafia would not give the godfather role to an elected is if the elected is a really poor player and is likely to attract suspicion. As the Godfather accounts for 2KP, so once they are dead, mafia KP decreases by 1 instantly.

 

[unravel]

Haven't seen Lauren and Pally post. I would like to hear from them about opinions and stuff. *I have no time to post gtg2skool*

 

[Superpenguin]

I tried to run for the election in Mafia III, but only to see my speech get swept under the rug. I did eventually, somewhat step down due to the lack of acknowledgement and the safety net of my role (Veteran). It was also very true, at the time, that me being elected would have been a huge gamble on the town since I had no background experience.

So basically, you held back. You didn't decide to fight for the position even though you were actually well suited for it. You didn't even make an attempt to be heard during the election phase. Once your post was ignored, you just stopped caring for the elected role.

As many of you may know I was killed night one of the previous game. Not because the Mafia was trying to frame someone for a reason behind my death, and not because I was the most important role out there (I was Miller, if they left me in the game the town would have probably lynched me anyways), but because they saw me as a strong player for the town.

Reasoning for your death from Game II taken from the Mafia Chat:

"Laurina would probably be a good Night 1 kill, considering she's one of Gallow's followers."

"Gallows, Gandalf & Laurina are influential and strong. The difference is only Gallows accused me. It would be obvious to take him down. The other two seem safe to target."

You weren't targeted necessarily for being a strong player. You were targeted for being a part of the opposing circle. The mafia wanted to weaken Gallows' circle and since you were a part of it, you had to go.

I will analyze posts, I will study voting patterns, I will check on differences of activity. I do listen to what other people have to say through their opinions, but keep my final decisions my own.

Keeping in mind this quote is from your campaign post from last game, you didn't even fulfill your promises. You literally were seeking guidance in the Day One lynch, not contributing any names or suspicions at all.

Spoiler

Congrats to Trundle and Karla. We have 5 hours until the first decided lynch. I'd personally like to hear who Karla and Trundle shared similar suspicions with when they were PMing each other. It seems more to go off of than the whole taking out lurkers and bandwagoners. Last game we made the mistake when our mayor leaf the town to speak and go after the innocent By the time he came back to voice an opinion, he didn't need much to pursue an innocent lynch because the town did it for him. All he needed to do was agree. Sure I think most of us should share some sort of agreement on who to lynch, but I'd like to hear some possible direction.

However, I have to admit, you did end up proving and put forth your own suspicions later in the game:
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-OVER-HURRAY&p=2067953&viewfull=1#post2067953

But you keeping your final decision to your own can be very harmful. Why do you choose to keep that final decision to yourself and not tell anyone. Is that how you'll handle the Day One lynch, hearing people's opinions, but keep your final decision to yourself until it's time to lynch?

That way I can confront you, personally, on why you're doing what you're doing, and if it's just a misunderstanding I'll be there to guide you.

You seem very persistent in having a large portion of this game being played through PMs, but seriously, confronting people through PMs? That's just a big N-O. It's much easier for a person to persuade a single person than an entire group. By confronting a person personally through a PM instead of in the thread for everyone to see, you could potentially alienate the entire town from helping with making decisions.

Game III:

I want to prevent a whole "well, this is going to be a huge hit or miss lynch" from happening.

Current Game:

As for the first lynch, huge hit or miss.

You literally just contradicted yourself here. You want to avoid a hit or miss lynch, yet you're surrendering yourself to the fact that the first day will have to end up being hit or miss. So which opinion is actually your true one?

The Mafia can see everything we do. They will kill off the strong players, and leave the weak to bury themselves in their own graves. If necessary, I'm willing to dedicate my time to "train" those who need to cut the spam level down. Come to me if you need to voice your thoughts, opinions, and evidence but nobody will listen to you because they find you "suspicious" or "dumb". If you give me something I firmly believe, I'll make sure the town hears it out and post on behalf of you and help back you up or defend you.

How will you have enough time to train members while managing your time as mayor while still contributing to discussion both in the thread and through PMs? Though, this actually seems like a better version of Tina's PM policy. Keep in mind guys, this quote is from Game III.

I was very fortunate to be apart of Karla's PM circle along with Kuma and Trundle. Even being in a PM circle should not make you automatically trust who you're talking to. Late in the game, I drew out suspicions on Kuma, and had to move past it with bigger concerns after realizing and being convinced she was indeed the Detective. I did hold back quite a bit during the PM circle because at the time (up to after my death, actually) I did not have trust in Mayor Trundle. So I kept my suspicions to Karla to a minimum while building cases outside of the PM circle.

Why were you fortunate to be a part of this PM circle? Was it because you struggled to make decisions on your own?

How were you ultimately convinced Kuma was the Detective and why did you believe who told you? You say you didn't have trust in Trundle, so apparently you seem to have had more trust in Karla. Why is that? Neither really did anything notable during the game to really gain your trust. If anything you should've trusted Trundle MORE THAN Karla. Trundle was actually rolechecked by a detective(Kuma) whereas Karla wasn't.

I do not want a repeat of the FoxWolf lynch. It was assumed that he would be a gamble to the town whatever role he may have held and wouldn't contribute or be of asset. How sudden the decision came down is what I'd like to avoid.

Okay, so why don't you actually tell us how you plan on avoiding a scenario like this?

Aside fro that, I also want those in the thread to know what is going on. I'll try my best to make sure everybody has a clear understanding of why this person is up for the lynch, and for the majority of the people to agree on it.

Here you seem to be implying you'll be determining lynches through PMs and then coming to inform the Town why that lynch will be taking place. A big question I want answered by you and basically everyone else is with the majority lynch in place this game, will you give the victim enough time to defend themself by not letting the votes rack up too quickly?

 

[Beary]

Omagosh de long posts

I am honestly leaning towards Tina now. She puts herself out there and doesn't want everyone to trust her. She also puts forward valid points, and makes sense.

Since I may be a bit inactive in the next day, my vote is goung for Tina.

 

[BlueLeaf]

Omagosh de long posts

I am honestly leaning towards Tina now. She puts herself out there and doesn't want everyone to trust her. She also puts forward valid points, and makes sense.

Since I may be a bit inactive in the next day, my vote is goung for Tina.

As for the second paragraph, third sentence: Can't you just say that for the other running? They all made valid points and make sense, so there wouldn't be any use of putting that statement there.

I'm enjoying reading the thorough discussions so far. I'll most likely be joining in the discussions in a while.

 

[BellGreen]

I think the discussions are what will help us tremendously because all the candidates have made a lot of good points and have made very reasonable arguments. I'm looking forward to what our future mayor will work for later in the game.

 

[Superpenguin]

She puts herself out there and doesn't want everyone to trust her. She also puts forward valid points, and makes sense.

You just described every candidate. So what steered you away from the other candidates?

 

[Blu Rose]

Omagosh de long posts

I am honestly leaning towards Tina now. She puts herself out there and doesn't want everyone to trust her. She also puts forward valid points, and makes sense.

Since I may be a bit inactive in the next day, my vote is goung for Tina.

*cough* So does SP *cough*

Anyways, I think I'm going to vote for SuperPenguin. Although I questioned him myself, I think he is the most actively involved person, and he makes strong, valid points and isn't brushing off suspicions of himself.

Yes, I could very well be scum. So could Tina, so could Oath.

 

[oath2order]

Sticking with what I previously said I'd vote for.

 

[Beary]

You just described every candidate. So what steered you away from the other candidates?

You are overly aggressive, which may lead you to make rash decisions, and oath wasn't as clean with his posts.

 

[Superpenguin]

I think the discussions are what will help us tremendously because all the candidates have made a lot of good points and have made very reasonable arguments. I'm looking forward to what our future mayor will work for later in the game.

Well, do you have any follow-up responses to that question you asked? You say you think discussions will help out town, yet you're not even contributing. You have a say in our future mayor too, so what are you ideas as of now?

- - - Post Merge - - -

I'm really looking at the boldfaced here, because this seems familiar:

Just another piece of evidence.

There is actually a big flaw in your logic here. In that post Mary made about plotting with Justin then proceeding to tell people to believe her if they wish, she NEVER actually was plotting with Justin. She was telling the truth. Yes, she was mafia, but that statement was still the truth. So then it's very possible her roleclaim as Townie is also the truth.

Your only two posts have been pushing for the fact that Mary is mafia. Why is that? Why aren't you also contributing to the election phase?

- - - Post Merge - - -

You are overly aggressive, which may lead you to make rash decisions.

Okay, I am aggressive, I know, but come on, overly aggressive? Now that's a stretch.

What rash decisions am I even able to make as the Mayor, though? Literally the only thing that I could make a rash decision on would be the Day One Lynch, which I assure you will NOT happen if I am elected. Other than that, nothing I can do as mayor will suffer from a rash decision I make. As you all have a say in the votes, and you all have a voice in who is viewed as suspicious.

 

[BellGreen]

Well, do you have any follow-up responses to that question you asked? You say you think discussions will help out town, yet you're not even contributing. You have a say in our future mayor too, so what are you ideas as of now?

I don't really have a response, I just wanted to ask and see what the candidates' opinions were to make it easier to vote for one person. I just don't really find anything worth to contribute this early on.
My ideas are to focus on PM Circles with only confirmed players because everyone saw how I screwed up in Mini Mafia. Also, I'm just thinking that Mary is a Townie just distracting us and trying to make us waste a lynch. I wouldn't really let the vigilantes deal with her but they can if they think Mary is a true distraction.
I still wonder why people say you are over aggressive though. Sure, you pick bits and pieces which can really make players nervous of being voted for but honestly players shouldn't really try to post things that get them overly questioned. I'm starting to think the players who say that you are aggressive are just trying to say something to blend in.

 

[Hikari]

Sorry that I've been inactive! I've been busy with my Pokemon Role Play, but I'll catch up, and say who I think would serve as the best mayor.

 

[Elijo]

I still have not received any response from Mary towards my questions. But really, I am honestly think that being a distraction is part of her play-style. (It's strange, I know.) But really, let's just put her onto the side-bench until the election, or at least till she possibly cracks.

Mary needs to be temporarily put out of our minds!

Anyways, I'm going to vote for Tina for now. Why? She, unlike one or two candidates, shows herself to the crowd and voices her opinions and suspicions without hesitation. She shows seriousness in her arguments and reasoning. Are those not good reasons?