The last one who said that was Godfather. :/ I believe you're townie, but you are pushing it very hard.
Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]
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The last one who said that was Godfather. :/ I believe you're townie, but you are pushing it very hard.
oath2order
#Porygon2024
I dunno if she's mafia or not. I'd put her in the top 3 of my suspicion list though, and I'd definitely consider her for lynch.
You better be joking, Pally. This is not a legitimate reason for users to vote for you. Unless you can make strong reasons why everyone should vote for you, I am certainly not voting for you as Mayor.
Anyways, every candidate so far has made me unable to decide to vote for just one person.I do find Superpenquin to be a bit aggressive, but honestly, that is just my opinion.
I happen to notice Mary's extremely annoying, strange and distracting behaviour.
Message to Mary:
Why are you acting this way? Are you trying to hide the fact that you're possibly Mafia? Are you desperately trying to get yourself lynched to help Mafia win? Why are you role claiming so early into the game? I hope you answer this honestly and convince me that you're innocent.
FireNinja1
inactive: please read "about" tab on profile
In Game I, we all found out she was a mafia. Her current playstyle seems to hint Mafia, as she didn't do anything but uselessly roleclaim Townie. Does she also know that rolechecks = alignment? Which may also mean she is the Godfather? Her tone seems to be unchanged from I, at least that's how I look at it.
Mary seems screw the game early and her action is seems weird well some people thinking about Mary on how she post, act and etc. And it seems that she role claim early even we didn't ask her nor a member ask to us to role claim. It is better not to role claim unless they said it so and its risky if your role is blue. No offense dude but you're kinda distract the town members try to claim down and don't worry the mafia mofos will kill smart ass peeps not like you.
Voting Jubs (temporary) maybe I wont have a chance to vote tomorrow and also he is a good player and a leader. His post is good and not suspicious though.
Oh which reminds me I have school tomorrow so don't expect chattiness from me.
Well this coming January 15-17 its my exam so expect that I won't be very active starting now til Jan 16. The reason why I post this early so you guys won't complain about me and stuff yeah yeah I'm a dumb player so shush. December 16-20 I was absent because I got sick when I come back to school I have a lot of things to and yeah projects and have to study for make up quizzes (Thank you teachers for giving me a chance). I have a lot of things to catch up and study for exam/quizzes. And I will try my best to contribute and vote early.
FireNinja1
inactive: please read "about" tab on profile
I'm really looking at the boldfaced here, because this seems familiar:
This may be disregarded, that is fine. You may not believe me. That is also fine.
I'm going to say this anyway.
I am not, in any way, whatsoever, plotting anything with Justin.
Believe me if you wish!
Just another piece of evidence.
Huh? Why are people voting for Justin? Here is a compilation of his posts from Day 1:
None of his posts are serious enough to be considered a mayoral campaign (though I'm inclined to believe that he was just trying to be funny ) -- and there are already two votes for him? What? I really think we should consider the *safer* candidates out there: SuperPenguin, oath2order & Tina. I'm not really suspecting him yet, but he's someone I'd keep an eye on.
Vote for me as Mayor:
Hello I would like to run for Mayor. Here is my carefully thought out original plan for the game:In this photo from the future, you can see myself hard at work as Mayor of the town:
With the setup, coordinating the uninformed majority is not going to be easy. Multiple subversive roles. Unknown numbers of each role. With a starting KP of 4, we need to focus on getting one Mafia to the lynch. There is no real advantage to finding the entire scum team on Day 1 if we can't get them killed. In fact, it's more likely to be forgotten, and you tend to be wrong anyway when you try to do too much (unless Mafia really slip up hard). There is also value in withholding information. Figuring out the guilt of someone, not immediately announcing it but continuing to play the thread can help you discern the alignment of other players under scrutiny.
I would like to present THE PLAN.
Medics should protect the players that are making sense, the ones who are truly adding to the discussion. I am certain that there are no skilled bluesnipers amongst the Mafia, which means barring any foolish blues blurting out their role to the wrong person, the Mafia will want to target the players that are steering the town in the right direction. When such a player takes a hit, the medic should immediately roleclaim to that person. That person should open claim they took a hit (this is information the Mafia already know, and it can only help town to know as well).
(Brief aside - you should ALWAYS announce that you took a hit during the night (including as Veteran). This is 99% of the time information Mafia already have (because they're the ones who did it). This is very useful information when analysing the Day post, because it can help piece together where all of the hits went that night.)
That person will then be checked. I know there are framers and millers in the game, but I'm honestly not worried about that. The medic will then get checked as well. If both check out, they will come out and serve as figureheads for the town. They will be able to coordinate blue abilities, AND act intermediates between those blues and the elected officials, keeping the blues safe if the officials are corrupt.
Bodyguards should NOT reveal themselves to the elected roles, not until one or both of them have been confirmed. The principal reason is that if one of the two officials turns out to be Mafia, they can remove the bodyguards and kill the other official.
Detectives - I'm sorry to say it but the odds are stacked against you this game. Framers, Millers, Godfather and an errant Bus Driver are going to screw you up. Fortunately, the hosts haven't plagued you with additional problems like sanities and limits on your checks. Despite that, even with behavioural analysis, you will always have doubt behind whether or not the officials are Mafia. Thus, any plans revolving around forming a circle with the two elected roles are out of the window. You will literally be working alone until you get a working circle up on your own. No elected official is to be given any critical information, until they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be innocent. And for the love of god, watch who PM and do not open claim.
Medics - I've already set out what medics should be aiming to do above. You are one of the key players in finding trusted town as both you and your protectee are informed of a hit. You shouldn't have to worry about accidentally saving someone from a Vigilante hit because you should be protecting strong players that the vigilantes have no reason to hit. Only a bus driver can cause potential problems, but I will get onto that later.
Vigilantes - Mafia have no way of protecting amongst themselves. Because of this, I believe a Vigilante can safely publicly announce their hit before they carry it out. You only get one hit so after using it, it won't be such a blow to town if you proceed to die. BUT, fear not, for I have another plan. Some of you may have noticed me debating with Kayla the importance of knowing if Mafia have to send in hits individually (the case for TBT Mafia I and II), or if one person can send in all the hits. Now that I know I am town aligned, I want to explain this - if one of the scum team can be online right up until the Night deadline, they can make last minute changes to their hitlist before sending it in. Remember that actions cannot be changed or withdrawn once they are sent in. If individual Mafiosi have to send in their hits, they will likely have to send them long before the deadline due to sleep/school or whatever schedule. Why is this important? Because if Vigilantes announce who they will shoot just before the night ends, and sends in their action, it is more likely that Mafia will not be able to respond in time. When Day comes and we see that the person they claimed to have killed is dead, and all other KP have been accounted for, we can say it is reasonably certain that they are a real Vigilante. Sheriff can then protect him for two phases, while the town circle builds around him.
Additionally, by publicly announcing a hit, this will also reduce the risk of medics saving that hit by accident. Mafia could claim Vigilante and say they are going to hit X to try and gain cred or keep a medic off X, but this will be seen as suspicious as a real Vig shouldn't be targetting that person unless he is a prime suspect. And with all these roleclaims, we will soon realise that there are more claims than realistically possible, and all those vigi-claimers will be put under suspicion. If the Mafia kill the Vigs after they hit their targets, it also makes it riskier and more difficult for them to roleclaim Vig themselves. We also do not want intended incarcerations of suspected Mafia to fail because of a Vig hit, and vice versa. Thus once we have a confirmed innocent, all Vigs should also tell that innocent person who they will hit, who will then relay it to the Sheriff, whilst protecting the identity of the Vigs.
Bus Driver - You will be a headache to someone this game, and I intend for it to be the scum team. I urge you to stay your hand until the analysis and information really starts paint a clear picture and there is a channel for you to coordinate with town. Ambitious as it may be, I am confident that we will be able to use you to turn a Mafia kill around on itself. That would be the ultimate form of humiliation for the scum.
Mad Hatter - There's not much I can really say to you. Like all blues, post as if you're a green. Bomb those #3 or #4 suspected players. I will have to trust your judgement on this - you are essentially playing on your own.
Assassins - Hello. Quite frankly I don't care about your little game. However, it is in your best interests to cooperate and work together with us. You are far more likely to be killed by Mafia, so you should assist us in neutralising them. I am also sure we can come to an information exchange agreement.
Thank you.
VOTE: Justin
None of his posts are serious enough to be considered a mayoral campaign (though I'm inclined to believe that he was just trying to be funny ) -- and there are already two votes for him? What? I really think we should consider the *safer* candidates out there: SuperPenguin, oath2order & Tina. I'm not really suspecting him yet, but he's someone I'd keep an eye on.
Prof Gallows
Retired Staff
After getting caught up, my warning flags are raised for SuperPenguin and Oath.
SP is attempting to make huge cases for himself and that automatically comes off to me as desperate. Making huge wall of text posts and making himself look good aren't good ways to try and get yourself in that position. No single role in this game is so important that you need to scrape and claw your way into the mayor position.
Oath, I just don't think needs it. Anyone that was planning to get mayor before they even got their roles is going to be a no for me. So where are we with anyone else that would make good candidates?
SP is attempting to make huge cases for himself and that automatically comes off to me as desperate. Making huge wall of text posts and making himself look good aren't good ways to try and get yourself in that position. No single role in this game is so important that you need to scrape and claw your way into the mayor position.
Oath, I just don't think needs it. Anyone that was planning to get mayor before they even got their roles is going to be a no for me. So where are we with anyone else that would make good candidates?
Jubs: Best Mayor ever! Original campaign post, everything!
Mary's behavior is just strange. Saying that you don't have to believe her, a useless Townie claim, and a forced lynch. It's like she's TRYING to die. FireNinja has good evidence as well.
Aside from Mary's distracting behavior, Tina is my future vote for now. I don't exactly feel convinced that oath would make a good mayor, and SP's aggressiveness is unique to this game, which is unsettling.
Mary's behavior is just strange. Saying that you don't have to believe her, a useless Townie claim, and a forced lynch. It's like she's TRYING to die. FireNinja has good evidence as well.
Aside from Mary's distracting behavior, Tina is my future vote for now. I don't exactly feel convinced that oath would make a good mayor, and SP's aggressiveness is unique to this game, which is unsettling.
I would say that Jubs is the person that we should NOT vote for. His plan is almost a exact copy of Karla's game 3 plan down to what the bus driver and mad hatters should do. He appears to not be taking the game seriously and has low quality post. Definently not a ideal mayor canidate
It was just a joke by Jubs. Obviously, he wouldn't be an ideal mayor. I'm just wondering why people are voting for him.
Superpenguin
Penguins! <3
My posts probably are coming across aggressive, I know. Keep in mind that we have a lynch coming up. The more discussion we get going, the more posts we have to go off of for that lynch. I am not trying to be aggressive to just get into the mayor seat, I was also trying to see if anybody would slip up or post anything that gives a good reason to lynch them.
It's because I don't want you all to outright trust me! I'm not a mason, so there is no possible way ANY of you can fully trust me at this point.
No one has come across too suspicious to me yet. Mary would be a good choice right now, but I think she's just completely unused to being Town, which is why she is behaving this way. Plus, a lot of people are still inactive, and that's really bothersome.
I think Mary is just struggling to play as Town for her first time. She probably figured roleclaiming early would be the best way to get people to believe her. I'd like to get her to shape up and start contributing more. However, I don't like lynching/vig shooting distractions. Ignore distractions! Besides, if anyone is really distracting here, it's Justin.
I'd like to address those two votes for Justin. Why did you vote for Justin? He was a terrible mayor in Mafia II, not because he was mafia, but because he didn't contribute at all.
Prof Gallows
Retired Staff
I didn't vote, but he probably didn't contribute much because the mayor role is boring. You're pretty much invincible and there isn't much incentive to play at that point. Which is why I'm always at a loss when I see people jumping for the role at the start.
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
I agree. As mayor of last game I did find it quite boring. Also, Karla pretty much took over the game so whatever I thought, I would PM him and discuss it, then he would make a giant post about it and we won. No one PMed me because the all trusted Karla more, etc.
Justin was rather poking fun at how some are pretty much taking Karla's Mafia III plan and copy pasted the whole thing (edited the banner). Voted for him as a joke (highlight the post, you'll see that
), I will probably end up voting for Tina. She does seem like the strongest candidate so far.- - - Post Merge - - -
rip youtube embed thing for failing
http://youtu.be/eAuHcCTWpoE?t=6m59s
Pass.
More seriously, I want to see more people speak before voicing an opinion. I don't like it when people just hide in the shadows. For all I know everyone who has posted so far is innocent. That's not what I necessarily think, but statistically it's possible.
Well, to answer Kayla's question, this is exactly what I propose we don't do for the first day/night. At the moment I wouldn't want to use the first lynch on her nor would I want the detectives to waste their time checking her night 1. I feel that would be a waste of (a) the lynch and (b) their ability. If a vig wants to use a shot on her I won't protest, but I think an alignment check/lynch is giving her case too much priority.
Instead, I'd like to propose that we move away from Mary for the time being. She is already distracting us: she's even actively trying to encourage us focusing on her. If she's mafia then this is on purpose. If not, then she's indirectly playing to the mafia's wishes with her desire for us to confirm her a innocent. Regardless of her alignment: it's a waste of time!
If she becomes even more suspicious as today progresses then I may change my mind. But for now I don't think she's harmful.
Superpenguin
Penguins! <3
We already covered that BBG was not instructing me to tell the entire thread his suspicions for him. It was more of an attempt for him to form a PM circle than anything else.
Tina said:
If Townies are scared of dying early, that's just really annoying. 'Cause guess what, you're a townie, so you are expendable. Put yourself out there, gather information, get discussion going. Become a target, hey, there are Doctors out there that can protect you if you are seriously in danger. As a townie, you cna't do anything but talk and vote. That's your role, that's your ability, so actually use it!
Tina said:
Then they must think they'll die before gathering any more evidence if they have to PM you their current thoughts. Otherwise, they can really keep that information to themselves and post it once they did get all the needed evidence.
Tina said:
You know how many times reds are able to abuse systems? They can roleclaim vig for a shot they fired, fake detective since they already know everyone's alignment. Last game, they could've roleclaimed MadHatter to Karla when the real one never stepped up. They can fake Veteran by withholding KP. Mafia NEVER abuses these systems. They are too scared to, it draws attention to them. I know this because that's exactly why I chose not to roleclaim MadHatter to Karla even though it was a clear gateway.
Tina said:
Here's the thing about you, you hold yourself back. Regardless you had good reason to in Mini Mafia being the Detective and all, but you KNEW Kayla and others in the PM Circle were innocent. You trusted us, we all trusted you. There was no reason why you couldn't ask to keep these suspicions from reaching VD.
Now before you all get the wrong idea, I do think telling others to post suspicions for you/discussing suspicions in PMs is a really smart move. However, that shouldn't be the first time you contact them, and you definitely need to have trust in them before doing so.
Superpenguin said:
My point was simple: that a PM like that is not automatically a blue flag. Those were examples, not facts, and didn't really need to be dissected like that.
It's an idea I'm throwing out there as an offer; I'm not telling people they have to use it. I'd prefer it if they didn't, but the fact is that it is there. It's just for the people who are afraid to put ideas forward. Naturally, they're not the people who should even be in this game - but they join in despite their fears and then they don't contribute. If I were mayor I would rather they PM me and ask me to forward their ideas to the thread rather than to just hold back altogether. Lack of discussion is frustrating.
You do know that's the only game I've played as a town member prior to this one, right? You yourself just said I had good reason to hold myself back. I knew you three were innocent but I also knew Kayla was in contact with VD because I found out from him. She didn't trust me. You even told me that you didn't fully trust me. With the way people were trusting him but suspicious of me I couldn't put that information out there straightaway. As I said: I had no solid evidence against him yet.
Superpenguin
Penguins! <3
No, posts should be dissected. You really shouldn't care if your post is getting dissected here, Tina. If you're town, you have nothing to hide in your posts anyway. I wish people would start tearing apart my posts and questioning me.
And seriously, you want people to talk and stay out of the shadows, but when they talk about you and tear through your posts, questioning you, you get annoyed and think of it as unnecessary. This is discussion happening.
Tina said:
This I like, though.
Tina said:
I didn't fully trust anyone except Karla and Kerryelizabeth until BlueLeaf was lynched. However, I trusted you enough to not tell the person you are suspicious of that you are suspicious of them. Like, what even, why would I do that? You didn't need any solid evidence. Literally all you had to say was:
"Why do we even talk to VD? I've never rolechecked him yet, so he isn't even confirmed. Isn't it kind of odd how we are just randomly trusting him. Do you guys think it would be better if I used a rolecheck on him tonight isntead of someone else?"
