iLoveYou vs Mary: Deja vu.
Detectives, check me, citizens, lynch me, I am a Townie.
The last one who said that was Godfather. :/ I believe you're townie, but you are pushing it very hard.
iLoveYou vs Mary: Deja vu.
Detectives, check me, citizens, lynch me, I am a Townie.
To all the Mayor candidates:
What do you guys think of Mary's behaviour so far? Does it scream legit Townie or Mafia? She's obviously starting off as a distraction. I'm sure you guys can see how she'll become a problem for us in the future, if this keeps up that is.
How would you guys handle someone like Mary? :L
I'm curious because I can already see her name floating around for Day One lynch. Personally, I doubt Mafia players would want to attract this much attention on to them this early in the game. There's always a chance she could be Mafia though.
Okay, now just reading that last thing makes me think that you're scum, not posting much, and then saying "Look guys I'm not posting too much like I did in the first game when I was scum, this must mean I'm not scum now!" I'm not convinced of anything but this just looks like a ploy to redirect attention off yourself. Just putting that out there and calling you out on it.
vote 4 me because im cooler than karla
Of course. Basically, he stressed that we don't need to worry about scum mayors. This automatically sets off alarm bells in my head. Why wouldn't we need to worry? If he is scum, he would want us to be confident in the innocence of our leader, right? Like I said, complacency is the way to die. As far as I'm concerned, one cannot worry too much when playing Mafia.
Also, I would like to confirm my role.
I am a Townie. Believe it or not.
Oh which reminds me I have school tomorrow so don't expect chattiness from me.
Of course. Basically, he stressed that we don't need to worry about scum mayors. This automatically sets off alarm bells in my head. Why wouldn't we need to worry? If he is scum, he would want us to be confident in the innocence of our leader, right? Like I said, complacency is the way to die. As far as I'm concerned, one cannot worry too much when playing Mafia.
Also, I would like to confirm my role.
I am a Townie. Believe it or not.
This may be disregarded, that is fine. You may not believe me. That is also fine.
I'm going to say this anyway.
I am not, in any way, whatsoever, plotting anything with Justin.
Believe me if you wish!
Vote for me as Mayor:
Hello I would like to run for Mayor. Here is my carefully thought out original plan for the game:In this photo from the future, you can see myself hard at work as Mayor of the town:
With the setup, coordinating the uninformed majority is not going to be easy. Multiple subversive roles. Unknown numbers of each role. With a starting KP of 4, we need to focus on getting one Mafia to the lynch. There is no real advantage to finding the entire scum team on Day 1 if we can't get them killed. In fact, it's more likely to be forgotten, and you tend to be wrong anyway when you try to do too much (unless Mafia really slip up hard). There is also value in withholding information. Figuring out the guilt of someone, not immediately announcing it but continuing to play the thread can help you discern the alignment of other players under scrutiny.
I would like to present THE PLAN.
Medics should protect the players that are making sense, the ones who are truly adding to the discussion. I am certain that there are no skilled bluesnipers amongst the Mafia, which means barring any foolish blues blurting out their role to the wrong person, the Mafia will want to target the players that are steering the town in the right direction. When such a player takes a hit, the medic should immediately roleclaim to that person. That person should open claim they took a hit (this is information the Mafia already know, and it can only help town to know as well).
(Brief aside - you should ALWAYS announce that you took a hit during the night (including as Veteran). This is 99% of the time information Mafia already have (because they're the ones who did it). This is very useful information when analysing the Day post, because it can help piece together where all of the hits went that night.)
That person will then be checked. I know there are framers and millers in the game, but I'm honestly not worried about that. The medic will then get checked as well. If both check out, they will come out and serve as figureheads for the town. They will be able to coordinate blue abilities, AND act intermediates between those blues and the elected officials, keeping the blues safe if the officials are corrupt.
Bodyguards should NOT reveal themselves to the elected roles, not until one or both of them have been confirmed. The principal reason is that if one of the two officials turns out to be Mafia, they can remove the bodyguards and kill the other official.
Detectives - I'm sorry to say it but the odds are stacked against you this game. Framers, Millers, Godfather and an errant Bus Driver are going to screw you up. Fortunately, the hosts haven't plagued you with additional problems like sanities and limits on your checks. Despite that, even with behavioural analysis, you will always have doubt behind whether or not the officials are Mafia. Thus, any plans revolving around forming a circle with the two elected roles are out of the window. You will literally be working alone until you get a working circle up on your own. No elected official is to be given any critical information, until they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be innocent. And for the love of god, watch who PM and do not open claim.
Medics - I've already set out what medics should be aiming to do above. You are one of the key players in finding trusted town as both you and your protectee are informed of a hit. You shouldn't have to worry about accidentally saving someone from a Vigilante hit because you should be protecting strong players that the vigilantes have no reason to hit. Only a bus driver can cause potential problems, but I will get onto that later.
Vigilantes - Mafia have no way of protecting amongst themselves. Because of this, I believe a Vigilante can safely publicly announce their hit before they carry it out. You only get one hit so after using it, it won't be such a blow to town if you proceed to die. BUT, fear not, for I have another plan. Some of you may have noticed me debating with Kayla the importance of knowing if Mafia have to send in hits individually (the case for TBT Mafia I and II), or if one person can send in all the hits. Now that I know I am town aligned, I want to explain this - if one of the scum team can be online right up until the Night deadline, they can make last minute changes to their hitlist before sending it in. Remember that actions cannot be changed or withdrawn once they are sent in. If individual Mafiosi have to send in their hits, they will likely have to send them long before the deadline due to sleep/school or whatever schedule. Why is this important? Because if Vigilantes announce who they will shoot just before the night ends, and sends in their action, it is more likely that Mafia will not be able to respond in time. When Day comes and we see that the person they claimed to have killed is dead, and all other KP have been accounted for, we can say it is reasonably certain that they are a real Vigilante. Sheriff can then protect him for two phases, while the town circle builds around him.
Additionally, by publicly announcing a hit, this will also reduce the risk of medics saving that hit by accident. Mafia could claim Vigilante and say they are going to hit X to try and gain cred or keep a medic off X, but this will be seen as suspicious as a real Vig shouldn't be targetting that person unless he is a prime suspect. And with all these roleclaims, we will soon realise that there are more claims than realistically possible, and all those vigi-claimers will be put under suspicion. If the Mafia kill the Vigs after they hit their targets, it also makes it riskier and more difficult for them to roleclaim Vig themselves. We also do not want intended incarcerations of suspected Mafia to fail because of a Vig hit, and vice versa. Thus once we have a confirmed innocent, all Vigs should also tell that innocent person who they will hit, who will then relay it to the Sheriff, whilst protecting the identity of the Vigs.
Bus Driver - You will be a headache to someone this game, and I intend for it to be the scum team. I urge you to stay your hand until the analysis and information really starts paint a clear picture and there is a channel for you to coordinate with town. Ambitious as it may be, I am confident that we will be able to use you to turn a Mafia kill around on itself. That would be the ultimate form of humiliation for the scum.
Mad Hatter - There's not much I can really say to you. Like all blues, post as if you're a green. Bomb those #3 or #4 suspected players. I will have to trust your judgement on this - you are essentially playing on your own.
Assassins - Hello. Quite frankly I don't care about your little game. However, it is in your best interests to cooperate and work together with us. You are far more likely to be killed by Mafia, so you should assist us in neutralising them. I am also sure we can come to an information exchange agreement.
Thank you.
VOTE: Justin
Jubs: Best Mayor ever! Original campaign post, everything!
Mary's behavior is just strange. Saying that you don't have to believe her, a useless Townie claim, and a forced lynch. It's like she's TRYING to die. FireNinja has good evidence as well.
Aside from Mary's distracting behavior, Tina is my future vote for now. I don't exactly feel convinced that oath would make a good mayor, and SP's aggressiveness is unique to this game, which is unsettling.
I would say that Jubs is the person that we should NOT vote for. His plan is almost a exact copy of Karla's game 3 plan down to what the bus driver and mad hatters should do. He appears to not be taking the game seriously and has low quality post. Definently not a ideal mayor canidate
So far your posts have come across as quite aggressive to the current and past candidates. It's like you don't want people to outright trust you on one hand.
Question to our mayoral candidates: Who do you guys plan to lynch first?
To all the Mayor candidates:
What do you guys think of Mary's behaviour so far? Does it scream legit Townie or Mafia? She's obviously starting off as a distraction. I'm sure you guys can see how she'll become a problem for us in the future, if this keeps up that is.
How would you guys handle someone like Mary? :L
I'd like to address those two votes for Justin. Why did you vote for Justin? He was a terrible mayor in Mafia II, not because he was mafia, but because he didn't contribute at all.
I didn't vote, but he probably didn't contribute much because the mayor role is boring. You're pretty much invincible and there isn't much incentive to play at that point. Which is why I'm always at a loss when I see people jumping for the role at the start.
Huh? Why are people voting for Justin? Here is a compilation of his posts from Day 1:
None of his posts are serious enough to be considered a mayoral campaign (though I'm inclined to believe that he was just trying to be funny ) -- and there are already two votes for him? What? I really think we should consider the *safer* candidates out there: SuperPenguin, oath2order & Tina. I'm not really suspecting him yet, but he's someone I'd keep an eye on.
I would say that Jubs is the person that we should NOT vote for. His plan is almost a exact copy of Karla's game 3 plan down to what the bus driver and mad hatters should do. He appears to not be taking the game seriously and has low quality post. Definently not a ideal mayor canidate
Question to our mayoral candidates: Who do you guys plan to lynch first? It's a little early for this question sure, but it's also an important one. I asked KarlaKGB and River about this, they said we ideally should have an idea but they are allowing a reasonable delay. I just don't want this to be a hasty last minute thing like in Mafia III, where they lynched Foxwolf for being anti-town.
To all the Mayor candidates:
What do you guys think of Mary's behaviour so far? Does it scream legit Townie or Mafia? She's obviously starting off as a distraction. I'm sure you guys can see how she'll become a problem for us in the future, if this keeps up that is.
How would you guys handle someone like Mary? :L
iLoveYou vs Mary: Deja vu.
Detectives, check me, citizens, lynch me, I am a Townie.
People withhold posting for various reasons. We saw that when BBG PMed you last game. He was green. He just seemed to lack faith in himself.
Tina said:Many people do because they're scared of dying regardless of the significance role. It could just as easily be: a newbie townie who doesn't want to die.
Tina said:a strong townie who knows their contributions are going to be of use to town in the near future after they've accumulated more evidence
Tina said:or a red trying to abuse the system.
Tina said:It would have been a suicidal move because I knew it would have gotten straight back to him and I also lacked proper evidence. I'm talking about VillageDweller in mini mafia.
Superpenguin said:Here's the thing about you, you hold yourself back. Regardless you had good reason to in Mini Mafia being the Detective and all, but you KNEW Kayla and others in the PM Circle were innocent. You trusted us, we all trusted you. There was no reason why you couldn't ask to keep these suspicions from reaching VD.
Now before you all get the wrong idea, I do think telling others to post suspicions for you/discussing suspicions in PMs is a really smart move. However, that shouldn't be the first time you contact them, and you definitely need to have trust in them before doing so.
Those were examples, not facts, and didn't really need to be dissected like that.
More seriously, I want to see more people speak before voicing an opinion. I don't like it when people just hide in the shadows.
Tina said:If I were mayor I would rather they PM me and ask me to forward their ideas to the thread rather than to just hold back altogether. Lack of discussion is frustrating.
Tina said:She didn't trust me. You even told me that you didn't fully trust me. With the way people were trusting him but suspicious of me I couldn't put that information out there straightaway. As I said: I had no solid evidence against him yet.