Mafia TBT Mafia: Renaissance - Game Thread [ENDGAME - Town Wins]

[glow]

help

i'm reading back on the harbour interactions and i'm stressed

harbour fos'd shawo and punchy both early on. like i mean REAL early on. like d1 after his claim really early on. dropped shawo push for punchy. nulled trundle. sus'd trundle? null'd trundle/ dropped punchy sr for oath. tr'd tae. tr'd geoni. tr'd me. TR'D basically ALL TOWN help. me.

lmao

 

[glow]

harbour was distancing SO well d1/d2 with both shawo and oath. i mean they placed susses so early LOL it's truly impressive. but about......... punchy/trundle/locket?

locket zero. well actually technically there was 1 post. but basically nothing d1/d2.

punchy and trundle on the other hand........

don’t like this overthinking tbh

[about mog]

it seems to me that you've contradicted yourself here?
most of the reads i'm seeing right now are meta-based but i don't trust the accuracy within them, as some players have mentioned that they haven't even played in a while. i'm starting to deduce that this a popular way of reading people in these forums?
punchy, you seem to be focused on players that you're familiar with (especially mog), but i'd like to know your thoughts on others too.

everybody's meta and playstyle is not the same. shawo may be playing similarly to you when you started, but they may be taking a different approach, as they could possibly be any role that we're not aware of at the moment.

[bolded: points out punchy for criticising mog for overthinking when he did the same thing in regards to reading her?]

the words 'townlock' and 'day one' don't go together well, unless there was a slip (in which there isn't so far). punchy's playstyle may be like this, but i'd love for his thoughts on people besides mog and shawo.

[more punchy criticism]

my random thoughts as i was reading the thread:
- dino is a learning player so i have no read for her now. however, i feel like a player influenced by mafia teammates would probably want to act more intellectual instead of faking the newbie act.
- i agree with mog when she states that there is no connection between her and trundle. if one flips a specific role, i can't really see that being linked to the other person. it was just a reaction test, not anything that could potentially connect their roles in my opinion.
- i'm null on trundle; part of me thinks he's town because his overthinking seems kind of normal. he's been called out for it and he keeps on doing it, making me think that it's just something he naturally does? i would believe that a mafia would stop doing what they're sussed for so they could get higher up others' reads list. another part of me is just confused by his behaviour and wording (the article stuff is really perplexing to me), i can't really say any more than that.
- sheabae has been learning which i understand, and the only substantial post they've made is their rqs, which have been dry. would like to hear more from them too.
- i need to hear more from shawo too. i sus them the most so far.

i find oath fairly scummy.
i think that tae is frustrated town and i don't really like the idea that they're being lynched because of their appeal to emotion? makes no sense to me. i stated above as to why i think geoni is town.
is anybody else willing to vote oath or am i going to do a loner vote like day 1.

i find tae and locket both town-like. locket seems to be contributing and as for tae i've said this before, but their frustration seems genuine.
i've been unsure of trundle as ever since the start of the game, their posts have been very strange. i'm just paranoid because of the punchy playstyle thing.
i'd want to vote trundle today.

from how i see it, locket doesn't have too much experience. she seems to be trying her best to contribute and i like how she disagreed with nl (it came from a very town-like perspective), asked some questions that mirrored some of my thoughts and at least presented reads. shea flipping yellow didn't prove anything against her. compared to tae, she stands out as more town.

ever since the start of the game, trundle has been extremely all over the place and it's like he threw out thoughts then revoked them a few minutes later after he found out that they didn't make sense and made him look suspicious. at first, i thought this wasn't too scummy in my weak early reads but now that we're at this point of the game, i believe that arrows point at him being the mafia here. i think it could be possible that he's paired with oath.

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harbour amps up the interactions between her & locket d4/d5.............

why is locket scummy besides her vote on tae.

besides from locket's kinda similar playstyle to punchy, what makes her sus.

i mean, as i said earlier
tae < locket
i'm not going to vote now but tae is where my vote would most likely go.

you/punchy/dino, locket or tae
i'm very very unsure on the last one (it's poe) which is why i don't want to vote them.

[to trundle]

yeah it's fine if you all lynch me. but kill locket first.

i was about to vote, but thread got closed early. why else do you think i'm not modkilled.
yes, at first i pushed for trundle but nobody wanted to listen to me just like in day two so my vote had to go between you and tae otherwise i would've been sus. i didn't say "hey let's kill locket" though? before the thread closed i actually said that if i were to vote, i'd be in the direction of tae.

you really think i voted off my scummate, who was a mafia joat. compared to shawo's pretty useless messaging role, why would i have wanted to vote for oath?
especially because i sussed him since day two, and initially placed my vote on him.

[to locket]

rest in peace. <3
my suggested lynch for today would be locket. maybe punchy and trundle too.

can we do a trundle lynch?
i don't see why he's being sort of overlooked. he's been sus, especially because he's been coming into the game out of nowhere, saying barely anything and going back. he's been coasting most of the time and i believe that he is more sus than locket and punchy.
i'm sorry for not posting that much, the holidays finished almost like a week into this game's start.

for now i'm going to place my vote on trundle, my first class starts in roughly fifteen minutes and i'm not sure if i'll have the time to come back and check the thread. i'll try my best to do so though.

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this was sus too. how are your rq's going to help you in a situation where you sheeped shawo and are extremely sus? guessing the scumteam doesn't help.

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to me, that post seems like he was scared that his team (mafia) were going to lose because his scummate was being lynched and it was mylo.

• harbour made considerable distancing efforts early on while town was chaos
• lots of trundle criticism last phase, is mafia!harbour gonna bus in that position wherein town was reaching a turning point in the game. it's important to note that all of harbours pushes on teammates were EARLY. town was eating itself alive. i assume this is exactly why harbour felt comfortable pushing multiple teammates
• locket interactions... so inconsistent."why is locket scummy". "kill locket first" so off if u compare to the consistent push on oath. you know what phrase harbour said a lot regarding their reads. or variations of it. "ever since D1/D2 / ever since the start of the game" which....makes me think that a lot of their reads were intentional distancing. harbour like seemingly forgets the reads they placed on locket though, which contrasts the awareness of the fabricated reads on their partners? ("i have been trying to lynch oath since d1/d2")
• dropped punchy fos is the worst part by far. that sr subtly vanished, kinda like harbour with shawo. harbour never explained why, just said that trundle is more sus

if punchy is town he needs to show t motivation, seriously i'd rather he push me than do nothing if he's town because at least he'd be interacting with the thread

yeah and busses don't exist?

she probably didn't want to actually make that lynch happen and claim it later for towncred like you're doing with oath

and i was on oath for 75% of the day

idk what you guys are on

oath hardpushed me all day after coming out of literally nowhere

and i'm scummates with him?

it's just like.......... "yeah and busses don't exist" yes obviously, in fact now everyone alive has fos'd mafia at some point here. now what actually matters is the nature of those pushes and how they were made. you pushed on dinotown for a possible bus despite dinotown park voting mafia, whereas you jumped OFF mafia when it mattered, in MYLO, and voted non-mafia. and then you say "oath hardpushed me and you guys think / i'm / scummates with him??"

pick one please. either you can deny people credit for lynching mafia, or you can claim the reason you're town is because ~oath hardpushed you~ (he also made a harbour case btw? harbour hardpushed oath? "bussing exists" right?)

or if you're town please just explain how [x] push on mafia was fabricated or how oath's push on you was different. that is what would be helpful instead of the claims you're currently making.

i looked back at oath/you and its just filled with AtE from oath, he accused u of gamethrowing for pushing him and said he hoped you were mafia? he was appealing to you and it somehow worked. even before he got apathetic (which you said was the reason for your flip) you were doubting the oath push. (the thing when you posted the gif with the waterhose happened before the quote you showed me about 'oath giving up'.) to me its clear he had a reason to appeal to you, and i can see a couple reasons why

anyway i need a break i'm starting to get paranoid because i need to think about some stuff i didn't mention

can trundle/punchy/locket please form a scumread? or at the very minimum, a townread on someone who isn't tae

 

[tae]

i don’t think punchy would have hammered if he was scum. was not with a few hours left before EOD. like there was time to build a case.

 

[glow]

harbours lynch didn't actually change the game state that much since # of the MLs are the same. we gained an ML with shawos lynch and still only have 1?

 

[DinoTown]

harbours lynch didn't actually change the game state that much since # of the MLs are the same. we gained an ML with shawos lynch and still only have 1?

There's 1 maf left I think it's safe to assume, so 5 down to 4 town after the kill. We can afford a mislynch to be down to 1 maf and 3 town, then 1 maf/2 town after that night kill. At that point it would be lylo, so yeah, we have bought ourselves 1 more mislynch.

 

[EpicGamer12]

glow, I posted a full reads list from least to most scummy yesterday.

 

[tae]

glow, I posted a full reads list from least to most scummy yesterday.

has it changed since then?

 

[EpicGamer12]

has it changed since then?

Yeah but I don't want to influence mafia kills today by sharing that information.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

i sus glow the most

she wasn’t on harbour

if i were mafia i’d at least make a case first instead of just hammering

 

[glow]

i sus glow the most

she wasn’t on harbour

if i were mafia i’d at least make a case first instead of just hammering

i mean, so? what's your point. how does that make me mafia. mafia loses nothing by bussing harbour there, town had 1 ML regardless. harbour lynch was happening and i was meh about it because they were POE mafia but i didn't see much wrong with their posts as we both shared a lot of opinions

why would you do that if you were mafia and not if you're town?

 

[tae]

i sus glow the most

she wasn’t on harbour

if i were mafia i’d at least make a case first instead of just hammering

i wasn’t on harbour either tho? like is she sus just bc she didn’t hammer harbour?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

i wasn’t on harbour either tho? like is she sus just bc she didn’t hammer harbour?

you're borderline confirmed from shawo

glow is not

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i mean, so? what's your point. how does that make me mafia. mafia loses nothing by bussing harbour there, town had 1 ML regardless. harbour lynch was happening and i was meh about it because they were POE mafia but i didn't see much wrong with their posts as we both shared a lot of opinions

why would you do that if you were mafia and not if you're town?

i'd make more calculated decisions as mafia tbh

i wouldn't just go out of nowhere and vote my mafia teammate

 

[glow]

you're borderline confirmed from shawo

glow is no

so first of all:

if i'm mafia that bussed oath, shawo (which lead to turning points in the game), why would i not bus harbour too considering the fact that town had an ML regardless of harbours lynch? your basis for scumreading me is fundamentally flawed. if anything i would've bussed harbour the hardest as oath/shawo are more experienced players

secondly:

if you knew for a fact i was town would you really think it's locket here?

i'd make more calculated decisions as mafia tbh
i wouldn't just go out of nowhere and vote my mafia teammate

correct me if i'm wrong. but you haven't held a vote on a single mafia lynch this game before harbour, so why would the hammer be un-calculated?

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see i don't get it because punchy is putting a bare minimum effort of defending himself to me (town) meanwhile he argued with oath (mafia) refuting him line by line for like 5 straight pages LOL

 

[PunchyTheCat]

see i don't get it because punchy is putting a bare minimum effort of defending himself to me (town) meanwhile he argued with oath (mafia) refuting him line by line for like 5 straight pages LOL

because i don't think this push is going to go anywhere. oath got 4 votes on me and there would have been a threat if i hadn't defended myself so harly

stop wasting your time

 

[tae]

i rly wish locket trundle and dino could have posted reads before someone’s killed :/

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like y’all we are so close here. i wish it would ignite some mf fire.

 

[glow]

see i don't get it because punchy is putting a bare minimum effort of defending himself to me (town) meanwhile he argued with oath (mafia) refuting him line by line for like 5 straight pages LOL

because i don't think this push is going to go anywhere. oath got 4 votes on me and there would have been a threat if i hadn't defended myself so harly

stop wasting your time

how is trying to read you a waste of time

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punchy give a different scumread, is it still locket for you?

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like after all of the implications shawo tried to put onto locket

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why did ness like that post :/

 

[N e s s]

Sorry that was a misclick. Dunno why that happened.

 

[tae]

i’m scared

 

[N e s s]

Day 6

tae_IRL
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tae was nightkilled. Their role is Vanilla Townie.

Vanilla Townie: You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special abilities other than your voice and vote.

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to the town.

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Day 6 has now begun. You have 48 hours to select someone to lynch. With the playercount now being at 5, majority to immediately lynch is 3. Night 6 is currently scheduled to begin on April 23rd, 10:00 PM CDT.

 

[Locket]

rip tae