Mafia TBT Mafia ~ The Binding of Isaac ~ Town Wins!

[oath2order]

I'm not being intimidating to the town, the only post I made that is rude is that one I made towards Alexi.

Why does the wording sound really weird here

 

[N e s s]

OH AND i like how theres all this PANDA talk going around then i come back and the mice scatter. like i said earlier(yesterday) seems like Mafia/ Third Party are just trying to see if something can stick.

Also yes, this is being rude. Nobody is "scattering" away from you just because you started posting. I'm here, and i'm not posting anything against you.

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Why does the wording sound really weird here

idk all I said was "not being intimidating"

 

[PandaDarling]

I'm not being intimidating to the town, the only post I made that is rude is that one I made towards Alexi.

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Inb4 the inevitable bickering begins :|

Why does the wording sound really weird here

"to THE town" like his not part of it ? Ness.... haha i think you just gave yourself away.

 

[oath2order]

"to THE town" like his not part of it ? Ness.... haha i think you just gave yourself away.

I mean that is what I thought

but the more I think of it, if you said "I'm not being intimidating to town" it's the same-ish meaning

 

[Damniel]

sorry i mistook Rune for Trundle last game nvm that.

@Ness
1. not being rude, just stating the obvious.
2.you don't see why i would be ok with lynching someone who is acting different and like someone else did while being mafia by trying to be rude and intimidating to town.? ok.

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OH AND i like how theres all this PANDA talk going around then i come back and the mice scatter. like i said earlier(yesterday) seems like Mafia/ Third Party are just trying to see if something can stick.

I don't think the mice are scattering. There's no real reason to, you're not the big bad wolf like Ender or Minties that people would be scared to go against. You haven't done the greatest at defending yourself aside from just passing it off.

And what you are saying about me agreeing with Meow's case being enough for a lynch is invalid. The point of a case is to persuade town to look at a person differently, and it did that for me. I did tell you to condense your posts last night and I stated I think you are spamming senselessly with no clear objective. I didn't bandwagon completely. Is me being suspicious of you the real reason you would lynch me now? You made no remarks before too. Granted I was susipicious of you last game and you shot me, so...

Plus what you are saying to Ness isn't what's seemingly brash, it's the way you word it makes it sound condescending. I'd rather you to not go at each other again, because that never ends well.

 

[PandaDarling]

I mean that is what I thought

but the more I think of it, if you said "I'm not being intimidating to town" it's the same-ish meaning

@Oath
ya it is the same-ish thing but the point is when he was typing his mind automatically thought to alienate himself from town. im not saying this one thing means hes scum i'm just saying it could be a slip town wouldn't think to type "to THE town" cause your part of town. if that makes sense.

 

[N e s s]

"to THE town" like his not part of it ? Ness.... haha i think you just gave yourself away.

You're condescending as hell. Atleast Oath has the decency to be nice when he's trying to point something out.

I've said "to the town" before and plenty of times, and i'm pretty sure other people have as well. Just because I make one grammatical error doesn't mean that i'm scum because of this.

 

[Damniel]

You're condescending as hell. Atleast Oath has the decency to be nice when he's trying to point something out.

I've said "to the town" before and plenty of times, and i'm pretty sure other people have as well. Just because I make one grammatical error doesn't mean that i'm scum because of this.

Dad led a lynch on a noobie for saying "Uhh" in Smash Mafia. Wording does matter because it can easily be used against you.

 

[N e s s]

Um, who does it look like you should use it on??? If your role is 1 shot then you basically just become a Vanilla Townie and help the town, just use it.

I said this when I was alive in Scummy award mafia, and nobody pointed this out.

 

[glow]

@Sarasa What actions is she doing that reminds you of last game?

oh I actually didn't even realize you did that in that game. even if I did, Jacob was already really contradicting/scummy so I would've probably ignored it anyway

 

[PandaDarling]

you know what im tired of Ness flying off the handle every time i say something to him, Ness calm down, not everything from me is a personal attack on you.... yes it matters what you type and how you word things, thats the whole point of the game. i can only read and review what you type and make decisions off of it. thats all i don't want to get into a pointless back and forth with you cause like everyone else im tired of it and its got to the point where i can't even play the game properly cause you think im acting you, im not.

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I said this when I was alive in Scummy award mafia, and nobody pointed this out.

i think that example is a bit different, besides how and why did you go find that in a while different game so fast ? weird.

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[Damniel]

Panda do you have anything you want to say on my long post to you? Did you not notice it or would you like to pass it off as nothing?

 

[N e s s]

you know what im tired of Ness flying off the handle every time i say something to him, Ness calm down, not everything from me is a personal attack on you.... yes it matters what you type and how you word things, thats the whole point of the game. i can only read and review what you type and make decisions off of it. thats all i don't want to get into a pointless back and forth with you cause like everyone else im tired of it and its got to the point where i can't even play the game properly cause you think im acting you, im not.

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i think that example is a bit different, besides how and why did you go find that in a while different game so fast ? weird.

To prove a point, simply that. As i've said this plenty of times before, and I can give you a ton of examples.

Also, i've learned recently that theres no reason to get mad at people when i'm playing this game. I recently completed a game as scum on a site, where I gave up selfishly unfortunatly because I felt too guilty to keep playing since I used dirty tactics to continue forward, such as emotionally manipulating town. I've been mad plenty of times on this forum as well, and looking back I just look like a complete fool with it. Even looking at that game I just completed, i'm ashamed to even say that I played like that because I was being rude to one of my friends on there.

So no panda, i'm not going off my rails right there and now. You just really annoy me, i'm just choosing not to try and do any pointless bickering with you.

 

[PandaDarling]

I don't think the mice are scattering. There's no real reason to, you're not the big bad wolf like Ender or Minties that people would be scared to go against. You haven't done the greatest at defending yourself aside from just passing it off.

And what you are saying about me agreeing with Meow's case being enough for a lynch is invalid. The point of a case is to persuade town to look at a person differently, and it did that for me. I did tell you to condense your posts last night and I stated I think you are spamming senselessly with no clear objective. I didn't bandwagon completely. Is me being suspicious of you the real reason you would lynch me now? You made no remarks before too. Granted I was susipicious of you last game and you shot me, so...

Plus what you are saying to Ness isn't what's seemingly brash, it's the way you word it makes it sound condescending. I'd rather you to not go at each other again, because that never ends well.

Panda do you have anything you want to say on my long post to you? Did you not notice it or would you like to pass it off as nothing?

yes Daniel i read it and i don't know what to say really that i haven't said in a pervious post about this situation... i don't feel like i have to 'defend' myself, im being scum read for being TOO TOWN... im trying to do my best and get reads and post and talk about the game im sorry if that makes any other town members suspicious of me. as far as what i said about you and meow i just said that i thought it was weird that you seemed like you just wanted to take a back seat and wait for me to respond and then you just went ahead and voted. no big deal its just weird your words and actions say two different things. thats the 'real' reason... ya i shot you i was suspicious of you last game. i don't see what that has to do with this game ?

 

[Dolby]

Yay, somewhat relevant things

I want you all to remember that in a two faction mafia game it is easy for a mafia member to come off as pro-town as they are actively hunting scum, just like a SK.

Ness and Panda have been arguing over nothing this whole day phase, just different forms of nothing as time passes

PPL who I don't feel are town
Lucanosa(Placeholder vote 3 hours in, sus on Ness bc they consider Ness's comment on the rune joke a defense)
Ayaya(Seems to be avoiding the thread at the moment. They may be busy with irl things, but I don't like the drop in post count and quality)

PPL who I feel are good right now
Panda(I actually feel like Panda is town, unlike quite a few of you, even though I haven't been seen her as scum. Most noob scum try to lay back and be non-confrontational, but panda isn't doing that. Not that certain aspects of her posts and nitpickyness aren't scummy to some people, but it's normal behavior for her)
Oath2order
Sarasakat

*Ninja Vanish and Sleeps*

Nah, I'll be on for another 15 minutes

 

[Damniel]

Yay, somewhat relevant things

I want you all to remember that in a two faction mafia game it is easy for a mafia member to come off as pro-town as they are actively hunting scum, just like a SK.

Ness and Panda have been arguing over nothing this whole day phase, just different forms of nothing as time passes

PPL who I don't feel are town
Lucanosa(Placeholder vote 3 hours in, sus on Ness bc they consider Ness's comment on the rune joke a defense)
Ayaya(Seems to be avoiding the thread at the moment. They may be busy with irl things, but I don't like the drop in post count and quality)

PPL who I feel are good right now
Panda(I actually feel like Panda is town, unlike quite a few of you, even though I haven't been seen her as scum. Most noob scum try to lay back and be non-confrontational, but panda isn't doing that. Not that certain aspects of her posts and nitpickyness aren't scummy to some people, but it's normal behavior for her)
Oath2order
Sarasakat

*Ninja Vanish and Sleeps*

Nah, I'll be on for another 15 minutes

I would agree with you that new scum are very silent and weak, this is a 2 scum team game. New scum could just do what they would normally do as town and hunt for the both scum team. I would be suprised if one of the scum hunters is one of the scum members themselves.

 

[Chrystina]

IMO Panda is reacting as any town would do if they were accused of scum - example not getting overly defensive. So, my suspicions with her are void. although that could just be her plan all along... >> kidding

Kind of clueless on who to vote for atm, but with time running out I'll have a definite vote soon.

 

[N e s s]

Panda is playing a lot like a townie right now. In all honesty this is what happens every game and this is her obvious town behavior.

I can't get that ISO up since i'm doing History homework, right after i have my math. We still have several hours to decide on a lynch.

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Yay, somewhat relevant things

I want you all to remember that in a two faction mafia game it is easy for a mafia member to come off as pro-town as they are actively hunting scum, just like a SK.

Ness and Panda have been arguing over nothing this whole day phase, just different forms of nothing as time passes

PPL who I don't feel are town
Lucanosa(Placeholder vote 3 hours in, sus on Ness bc they consider Ness's comment on the rune joke a defense)
Ayaya(Seems to be avoiding the thread at the moment. They may be busy with irl things, but I don't like the drop in post count and quality)

PPL who I feel are good right now
Panda(I actually feel like Panda is town, unlike quite a few of you, even though I haven't been seen her as scum. Most noob scum try to lay back and be non-confrontational, but panda isn't doing that. Not that certain aspects of her posts and nitpickyness aren't scummy to some people, but it's normal behavior for her)
Oath2order
Sarasakat

*Ninja Vanish and Sleeps*

Nah, I'll be on for another 15 minutes

Also I agree with 2/5ths of this. Panda and Oath i'm feeling town, Kat is null, but I don't really agree with the Ayaya scum thoughts.

 

[Ayaya]

Okay, as I said, I'm gonna look at the people who participated in the KP discussion as it's likely at least one scum is contributing there so they seem active while not really contributing.

Spoiler: all the relevant posts

So, with the amount of players we have. How many scum members and third party members do you think we're dealing with here?

My initial guess was
8 Maf (4 each team)
4 3rd party
10 town
double the amount of scum and 3rd party as papers please

There's only 1 Mafia team, the other faction is third party.

That number seems to unfair to town, I believe it's around 5 scum, and 3-4 third party. The rest being town. But it's an experimental setup so who knows?

Eh, that feels kinda favored towards scum. I'm thinking 3 for both mafias and maybe 2 benign neutrals?

idk lets try to do some math there:

Assuming there is 4 Mafia and 3 3rd party, then that leads about a whopping 4 kills per night. So in other words, we need to lynch mafia or 3rd party today or scum is going to be in a good position. I don't think that it would be fair towards the 3rd party team if scum have 3 KP however, so i'm thinking that theres likely 3-4 maf and 3-4 3rd party.

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no you dingus read the role list theres no neutrals

Does Third Party use KP though?

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The thrid party roles seem to be more for tampering and causing confusing than actually killing players.

Actually...no clue to be honest.

Does 3rd party team use KP?

I doubt Sataric is up around now tbh. I would think yes? Idk tho

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME? I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES.

Hm in all seriousness though, I'd imagine both teams would be balenced in number. If anything, I could see the sins having one more if they don't have KP... But its probably the same regardless. I could see a 3/3/rest of town tbh. For reference, Papers Please maf had only like 5 less people (iirc) and there were 6 baddies there (and one was a lover anyway) so having two organized teams makes a little more sense to make up for the few extra players plus the powers they have seem pretty strong so. Thats why Im thinking 3/3.

@Ness Was there a reason behind you putting more people on the mafian team than on the sins?

Sataric did say somewhere that there will be 2 different mafia teams working against each other.

The first thing everyone has to understand here is that this is a 2 scum team mafia, so it's gonna be unfair to town. I would guess that teams have equal members to make it fair. While town probably has more members, it won't be by a large margin. I would guess 5 a side, maybe even 6 is Sataric was having a bad day.

Holy ****.

Even in a single faction mafia though, town far outnumbers scum. I'd imagine that trend would stay consistant?

In the last two-mafia game, Tom's Person of Interest, they definitely had equal mafia teams. 31 players, each mafia team with 4 people and 2 third parties.

@Runeraider ya its unfavorable to town but at the same time Mafia Team A can target Mafia Team B and take them out as well and vise versa.

so just to clarify we have Scum Team A: Mafia or in this game "The Horrors" and Scum Team B: Third Party "The Sins" and then the rest of us are "Victims" (Townies and Blue Roles)

Not really, i'm just figured that there would be 3 or maybe 4? I've never really played a game with 2 mafia teams so i'm just confused a bit lol.

In all honesty though, there could be an equal teams. I keep forgetting that we're at like 23 players and not 18, so I had the thought in my head of there being 7 scum players in total.

Correct.

But imo 5-6 mafian teams seems unfair since that'd mean 8-10 town and 6 scum per team and 6 KP per night. Feels like it'd be a ****fest.

11 town and 7 scum feels like a pretty scary balance for town though. Say we mislynch and get hit by all scum KP N1. We'd already have less people than the scum.

I could see anywhere from 6-8 for 23 people though.

Town will still outnumber mafia, but the focus is usually on the mafia vs mafia interactions rather than the town vs mafia in my experience.

Ya but Mafia team would only have 3 KP at night and then the Third Party team only have a few KP that work a certain way and have certain circumstances.... like Lust that pretty much just works like arsonist spreading an infection player to player and then mass killing them when releasing a 'virus' and then Pride that can commit the perfect murder once with no evidence, and Wrath that can pretty much turn one of us 'goodies' into a 'baddie' and make us kill someone. and then also please keep your eyes open for Greed i think their role can be pretty damaging to town given that person knows how to use it without getting caught. i don't think its unreasonable to think the teams would have 5 members each. they would only be about to get 3-4 kills a night unless the Third Party team can all use there roles at once and kill half the players off. haha GAME OVER.

Reminder that mafia can only have 3 KP max, and goes down if they decide to use another ability.

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3 KP going off the 3 KKP mentioned by panda that is

How do you know that they aren't given KP for sure? They could act like Chub in that they have their KP unless they use their abilities as well.

@Sarasakat well i guess we can't know for sure but going off of the Role Descriptions some of them have KP the ones i mentioned and the others just seem to have multiple lives or can switch/ steal items and possibly transport players so it switches actions on them.Thats kinda weird that you seem to randomly try to relate anything i said to the mafia role Chub after going back and reading the description i still don't know what you are trying to say or tie that to. It says Chub only has an active ability not a passive ability

Isn't that what ties the two together? Mafia can't use Chubs for KP if Chubs uses an action. Likewise, in the case that 3rd party has KP, they wouldn't be able to use, say, Pride for example to kill. Even though both have actions that kill, it doesn't tie them to the potential or lack there of for a faction to have a faction wide KP. Does that make sense?

Uh

it didn't say that chub won't contribute to KP if he used an action in the role description

@Saraskat oh i think i know what you are saying ... like if the Mafia team had 5 members their KP would be 3 but if 1 of those members choose to use their ability at night, then they don't count towards their teams total KP and the teams KP would then drop to 2 for that night ? and your saying the same for Third Party ? but what im wondering is if the Third Party gets a basic number of KP a night outside their Active Abilities (like the Mafia team) ? or do they strictly have to rely on their abilities

Yeah but it says so here. Chubs's power is a power - they can't be used for KP.

Surprised you pressed me on that and not Oath when we basically said the same thing. ?\_(ツ)_/?

why are we arguing about KP can we just look for scum

That's the golden question! I assumed in your post that I first pressed you on that you were saying it was for sure the latter, which confused me as to how you knew that.

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Hey, if you've got a scumread on anybody, feel free to make a case.

My thoughts exactly. We could deduce how much KP they have after N1 anyway so discussing this now won't really help much, though at least it got a discussion going.

Waiting for other players to say more, and particularly Lucanosa on why they voted for Daniel (like it could be just a random vote but why Daniel of all people?)

I'll look further at the KP discussion later cause I think scum is more likely to participate in it so they look like they're contributing when the discussion of KP won't help (especially if they can misled town through night kills with it). Gotta do something else for today.

Thing is if discussion isn't about KP and the potential set up, what would it be about? Everyone commenting that they exist and waiting for Luca to explain himself? Discussion would go no where and all reads would be based off of "hey" and "ooh Luca's baaad" posts. Idk about you guys, but in talking about the set up, I'm scum hunting.

Agreed on wanting to hear more from others/Luca point though.

@doughssant yep go for it, what do you think we are trying to do ? im trying to get people involved in conversation so we can scumhunt.



@Sarasakat oh i see, no i was just speculating, trying to get people thinking and conversing, so we can get information flowing.




@Ayaya i understand that discussion about KP atm might not be the best but i liked that it was opening up conversation between us and also i think it could help the new players so they can understand the game set up a little more.

As it can be seen above, the first person who brought up the topic is Daniel. I'm null on him because it's likely he's just saying that to get a discussion going. Also getting null from the rest of his posts.

The person who answered him first is Jacob, and out of all his posts, this stands out to me:

Read like 12 pages and it seems like we are trying to squeeze something out of a lot of nothing fam

I guess the most sus action up till now is N e s s being exceedingly hostile towards alexi when she was just trying to help, but thats about as much as we can get day 1 right (unless ur Blu Rose and scum slip D1 LOL)

PL or no lynch is looking pretty favorable

Did we ever come up with a reasonable guess as to how many town vs maf vs 3rd party? or did the convo just drop

This post seem to indicate he's not reading the thread at all, claimed to read 12 pages back yet didn't see that the convo stopped after doughssant and I pointed out that KP discussion isn't helping much beside getting a discussion going.

And why do you think PL and no lynch is favorable when we're not even close to deadline and people have started discussing their suspicions at that time? You haven't even posted your reads or try to question people to justify that conclusion.

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Next to join the discussion is SarasaKat. She mentioned she wanted to change her playstyle before the game started yet I'm seeing the same playstyle as in Papers Please here, which in that game made me think she's suspicious because she posts a lot to make it harder for town to find info. Though unlike Papers Please, half of the players are not posting as much so she did get a discussion going now. She also made newbies feel welcome and speak up which is good. Null for now but I hope you're town mom instead of scum mom this game lol.

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Afterwards is Panda. M3ow brought up good points but I personally don't think someone who's trying to contribute should be seen as scum simply because they posted a lot of filler (I made that assumption on Kat on the last game, after all) if anything, she posts a lot that it's easier to find slips if she is scum. Null on her but I'll be reading through her replies throughout the game, and it would help if you post less so it's easier for me and others to read through x_x

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And then we have Ness. His "lets try to do some math there" kind of piqued me at first since they furthered the KP discussion. I never played with him as mafia and I always read him as scummy at some point because of how emotional he gets (ex: Scummy Mafia where he got into a heated argument with Trojan) and the only reason I didn't go after him like others in Papers Please is because he RC'd to me. I'm gonna give him another read when someone has flipped but for now null.

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I'm leaning on town for Runeraider and oath2order for now, so far nothing in their replies stands out to me and Oath is acting like in Forest Fire here (tho I never played with him as scum so not sure if there are playstyle changes)

Also leaning on town for doughssant since they pointed out what I was thinking. I think if they're scum they would've stayed quiet.

I woke up 2 hours ago and have only been looking at the people I listed above, so I haven't looked through everyone else as closely. Will read through the thread once again now.

 

[Soda Fox]

So many posts O_O

I'm not sure who to vote for. I've never seen a day 1 so active before but I think it ends soon so I'm going to make my best guess.