Damniel
Openly Wolfing
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Mafia TBT Mafia ~ The Binding of Isaac ~ Town Wins!
- Thread starter Sataric
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Sorry for the extreme lack of posting guys. The timezone for this game is really messing with my interest because I miss the last ~7 hours of the day. I'm trying really hard to get into it, but everytime I sit to post I just go meh. (I also bought Stardew Valley and it consumed my entire day off, send help)
I'm going through Ness' posts at the moment and as there's like 50 pages, it'll take a moment. I still feel that Lucanosa might be scum as well, if not then on the third party team.
I'm going through Ness' posts at the moment and as there's like 50 pages, it'll take a moment. I still feel that Lucanosa might be scum as well, if not then on the third party team.
Nosotros, como en el pueblo.
I left the vote on you because I still suspected you as scum at that time.
@SarasaKat- I actually just read through it all. Jeez these reads are like incredibly long. x__x I guess I'll need to start taking more time on reading people & to write mine out ha.
Anyways, I do agree with most of your points, and you actually pointed out a lot of things I had missed. Like how she pretty much defended Ness after stating was null on him. Some contradictions you pointed out weren't really contradictions though. For example
Of course that's just one tiny bit in your entire post that I don't agree with, so not like it matters much. Anyways, nice finds.
Anyways, I do agree with most of your points, and you actually pointed out a lot of things I had missed. Like how she pretty much defended Ness after stating was null on him. Some contradictions you pointed out weren't really contradictions though. For example
Ayaya was just saying (or at least, I think) how m3ow brought up good points, but she necessarily doesn't have to agree with them.
Of course that's just one tiny bit in your entire post that I don't agree with, so not like it matters much. Anyways, nice finds.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Haha, thanks! Yeah I saw that once Ness flipped scum and was like, "Wow ok lol"
meow's post was mainly arguing that Panda posted too much and was basically putting out filler, and Ayaya didn't agree that was alignment indicitive, and that's cool. That wasn't my problem with her. But Ayaya made Panda posting so much almost sound like a positive thing. Whereas when she said I was posting a lot, she kind of made it sound like a negative thing. Sorry if I didn't make that clear ^^"
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Ftr I don't think long posts like that are the norm - that's the longest time I've ever spent making a read! So don't feel too pressured, though in depth reads are always nice
Okay this is going to be a wordy post because I'm getting all my thoughts out in one go. Just try and read it please. First up:
I've said why this pisses me off earlier. You don't just go "if you want me to change my vote, I will teehee!" That's not something that a town aligned player would say. It's called using your brain and thinking logically to then make a decision on who to vote for based on behaviour. Not LOL PLACEHOLDER!!11!
I feel like this is Lucanosa's attempt to lightly bus Ness. They slightly referenced each other, but it was more like "I'd like to lynch -my scum buddy- and x player, but I think x player is MORE sus". Ness said he "null read" Lucanosa, then "town read" him to push hard for Daniel's lynch.
THERE WERE PEOPLE POSTING READS AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME AND HE STILL JUST HAS A ****ING PLACEHOLDER.
Meow actually made a super solid case on Ness, yet Lucanosa still sits on Daniel with his scumbuddy. Honestly I think that is the absolute worst reasoning ever to vote for someone. If you're voting to just not get modkilled, then give up your spot to someone that will vote because they're actually playing. I will be surprised if Lucanosa is town aligned in this game. All he does is threaten town if he's lynched "you'll really regret lynching me" instead of providing anything of substance. My gut is screaming at these posts.
THIS SOFTCLAIM THO OFC HE WOULD KNOW
I'm going to put the posts themselves in a spoiler so that page doesn't drag on as there's a lot of text. This is only here for reference of what Ness has said in the game. I'll post my own tl;dr at the end instead of responding to every post:
Safe to assume that Daniel MIGHT not be mafia, but doesn't rule him out as a third party member.
TL;DR
-Defended Rune
-Null read Lucanosa and Sarasakat, THEN town read Lucanosa in order to push for Daniel
-Pushed hard for Daniel
-Said Panda is "obvious town"
-Town read Panda and Oath
-Specifically stated that Ayaya "wasn't scum"
Sarasa essentially summed up most of what I was thinking reading through Ayaya's posts. If you haven't read her post on Ayaya, go do it now.
Ayaya is usually pretty solid in posting reads, but I feel like all of these were very non-accusatory because it was all town and null reads with the exception of Jacob who is a fairly weak player. I feel like her posts so far come off as a lot of overview of what players have said to try and look like they're contributing a lot of text.
TL;DR
-Town read Runeraider, Oath, Doughssant, Panda, Ness and Daniel
-Scum read Jacob and voted for him
-Go read Sarasa's post
Other tidbits that stuck out to me as I reread the thread, feel free to comment on them:
Voting for Beardo based on the 3 questions? Is it just me or does this seem rushed and like Trundle's usual **** scum logic.
Here we have Trundle agreeing with Ness on Daniel, but then just town reading him at the end? Ness tried to get Daniel lynched for the who game, so how can you agree with Ness but then town read Daniel?
??????????????????
I think Rune is trying a lot harder this game to appear active and like he's trying to help town because I had his scum behaviour pegged from last game. The trouble is that this still follows the scum meta of **** voting just to not get modkilled. There's no good or valid reasoning behind his votes as he's just bandwagoning with everyone else.
Lucanosa
I've said why this pisses me off earlier. You don't just go "if you want me to change my vote, I will teehee!" That's not something that a town aligned player would say. It's called using your brain and thinking logically to then make a decision on who to vote for based on behaviour. Not LOL PLACEHOLDER!!11!
I feel like this is Lucanosa's attempt to lightly bus Ness. They slightly referenced each other, but it was more like "I'd like to lynch -my scum buddy- and x player, but I think x player is MORE sus". Ness said he "null read" Lucanosa, then "town read" him to push hard for Daniel's lynch.
THERE WERE PEOPLE POSTING READS AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME AND HE STILL JUST HAS A ****ING PLACEHOLDER.
Meow actually made a super solid case on Ness, yet Lucanosa still sits on Daniel with his scumbuddy. Honestly I think that is the absolute worst reasoning ever to vote for someone. If you're voting to just not get modkilled, then give up your spot to someone that will vote because they're actually playing. I will be surprised if Lucanosa is town aligned in this game. All he does is threaten town if he's lynched "you'll really regret lynching me" instead of providing anything of substance. My gut is screaming at these posts.
The Ness Reads
THIS SOFTCLAIM THO OFC HE WOULD KNOW
I'm going to put the posts themselves in a spoiler so that page doesn't drag on as there's a lot of text. This is only here for reference of what Ness has said in the game. I'll post my own tl;dr at the end instead of responding to every post:
Safe to assume that Daniel MIGHT not be mafia, but doesn't rule him out as a third party member.
TL;DR
-Defended Rune
-Null read Lucanosa and Sarasakat, THEN town read Lucanosa in order to push for Daniel
-Pushed hard for Daniel
-Said Panda is "obvious town"
-Town read Panda and Oath
-Specifically stated that Ayaya "wasn't scum"
Ayaya
Sarasa essentially summed up most of what I was thinking reading through Ayaya's posts. If you haven't read her post on Ayaya, go do it now.
Ayaya is usually pretty solid in posting reads, but I feel like all of these were very non-accusatory because it was all town and null reads with the exception of Jacob who is a fairly weak player. I feel like her posts so far come off as a lot of overview of what players have said to try and look like they're contributing a lot of text.
TL;DR
-Town read Runeraider, Oath, Doughssant, Panda, Ness and Daniel
-Scum read Jacob and voted for him
-Go read Sarasa's post
Other tidbits that stuck out to me as I reread the thread, feel free to comment on them:
Voting for Beardo based on the 3 questions? Is it just me or does this seem rushed and like Trundle's usual **** scum logic.
Here we have Trundle agreeing with Ness on Daniel, but then just town reading him at the end? Ness tried to get Daniel lynched for the who game, so how can you agree with Ness but then town read Daniel?
??????????????????
I think Rune is trying a lot harder this game to appear active and like he's trying to help town because I had his scum behaviour pegged from last game. The trouble is that this still follows the scum meta of **** voting just to not get modkilled. There's no good or valid reasoning behind his votes as he's just bandwagoning with everyone else.
oath2order
#Porygon2024
Can someone shoot Trundle based on his meta
Also can we keep most of the posts to English because this is an English forum. Things like que are alright because everyone can understand it, but when you have full sentences in another language, translators tend to mess up the meaning. Just a bit annoying so far because I'm sure most of us don't speak Spanish. 
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Being stuck in a room can give you a lot of patience
I like Minties' post overall. Only thing I'm eh on is Luca - I honestly feel like he's like "lynch me and you'll regret it" every game but his unusually high activity worries me.
Hello, and welcome to the part where Rune makes himself look like a scummy scrub because he wanted to defend someone. I did see quite a few flaws here, so I'm going to point them out and then give my read on Kat at the end.
Also, just so I don't get called out for anything dumb, I'm gonna put up signs to let you know when I'm making a joke, so you can't misread me, because apparently I need to do that now.
Is Ayaya a she? I don't know anymore. Someone please put up a gender reference sheet. Anyway, she was trying to cut off the conversation because it was a pretty unnecessary conversation, and she didn't say that people in the discussion were scummy. She said that if the conversation were to continue, scum would likely participate in order to fake activity. Bit of a misunderstanding here, although I don't think it was unintentional. More on that later.
OK, so I'm going to assume that there is some kind of explanation to this if it's in context, but since I haven't looked, I have no idea if that's true. So I'll let you have this one, besides the (awful) explanation that she missed it somehow and was just mindlessly quoting. I would like Ayaya to answer this, please.
This is probably a bit too far of a stretch here though.
Yeah, couldn't think of a good reason to do this. The problem with 2 team mafia is that I actually can't dismiss that Ayaya is scum even if you're pushing on them , because scum will actually be scumhunting for real instead of pretending. But maybe Ayaya didn't think those posts were necessary or meaningful? Or maybe they missed them while they were looking. There's more than two sides here.
WARNING, THIS IS A JOKE. REPEAT, THIS IS A JOKE.
Ooooh, let's!
RUNERAIDER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON: Making a slightly offensive joke and hurting someone's feelings on the internet.
JOKE OVER. I REPEAT, JOKE OVER.
This is the part where Kat begins to get a bit scummy. Ayaya wasn't reading Jacob as scum because he was trying to get a discussion going. She was scum reading him because he seemed to be not reading. The bit about getting a discussion going was what he was missing. Let me re-bold it for you.
What I've done here is bold the point Ayaya was trying to make and put in italics the evidence she was using. It wasn't that she was trying to scumread him because he was making pointless discussions at all, it was because he was deliberately ignoring posts that could incriminate him. This is quite a large oversight on Kat's part, and honestly I couldn't say this is a town move without using the (awful) argument of saying you somehow missed it.
On the other hand, here is her read of Daniel:
See how it's a completely different point?
WARNING, THIS IS A JOKE. REPEAT, THIS IS A JOKE.
This is just a nitpick, but for the sake of being complete and making myself feel superior, the word you're looking for there is an inconsistency. It wasn't a contradiction that you 'found', it was Ayaya being inconsistent with her reads. All in a days work for a Grammar Nazi!
JOKE OVER. I REPEAT, JOKE OVER.
In the former post, Ayaya is talking about her reaction in the GLORY TO ARSTOZKA game, in which she was town. Plus, you're taking this completely out of context. In the first post, she's talking about your meta as well as what she thought about you as town in another game. In the second post, she's talking about Panda, whose alliance is still not confirmed, and what she's thinking about her behavior in this game so far.
Plus, since this 'contradiction' (it's not a contradiction, it's a inconsistency) spans multiple games, there is an argument here. Now, I don't want to give my thoughts away here, because I really want to see what Ayaya says about this topic in particular and if it fits my theory, but it does explain the inconsistency here. I will post my theory after Ayaya responds specifically to this question.
@Ayaya: Please, why did you say that constant posting was a scumtell in the last game, and not in this game? If I'm right, this will be another debunk, but until I get word from her on this, it's still an unresolved point.
First of all, her post on me made me feel very unloved.
Secondly, this will probably be used against me later if this continues, so that's irratating.
And now my actual point - the answer is literally in your quote. She said right there that nothing in my replies stood out to her. Yes, that does seem like a null read, but considering that so many people have posted not a lot and I was quite active then, nothing scummy at all does seem like a slight townread to me. Read - slight. Not a very strong read at all, but she's leaning. If this really is mafia trying to cover up for me, it would probably be a bit more conclusive than leaning.
Already replied to this, see the first '''contradiction'''.
It wasn't so much as defending Ness than rebutting Jacob.
...Kind of like what I'm doing now...
OK, I'm going to just point this out before anyone has the chance to pull me up for this. I have a null read on Ayaya, and this isn't a post defending her, as you can see from the numerous times I conceded that it was a bad move on her part. I'm simply pointing out some discrepancies I saw in Kat's post. Don't say that I was defending Ayaya, and Ayaya's scum, therefore I'm scum. It's not like that at all.
For the first point, that's actually pretty decent but she isn't directly saying that she's reading Ness as scum yet. Instead, she' simply stating that there's a high chance that she'll read Ness as scum somewhere down the line. Not a defense.
Secondly, she is simply stating here that she found Ness to be odd, kind of like in the first post where she was finding his heated arguments at the start of the game odd because it was a lot more emotional than his earlier games. I do agree that her second post did seem pretty dismissive of Ness's behavior, but I do understand the mindset of wanting to focus on a specific scum read - it helps you to pick up on their scummy actions better and stay more focused on scumhunting. While I would probably be a bit more suspicious of Ness in this position, I would honestly probably be doing the same thing. A bit weird, but it's understandable in my opinion. Again, it's not a defense, which is probably my biggest problem here. You keep sayig that Ayaya is defending Ness here, when in reality she's simply dismissing and not focusing on Ness and his actions. This is not a defense.
So, I'm gonna try and keep this brief because this post is already so long. I will go into more detail later as well as give some more reads of who I think could be on the scum teams. Basically, I'm relatively sure that Kat is scum, more specifically on the third-party team. Not just for this post, mind you, but also for a number of other reasons which I'll talk about later.
AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE READS MY LARGE RANTY POST THIS TIME
Also, just so I don't get called out for anything dumb, I'm gonna put up signs to let you know when I'm making a joke, so you can't misread me, because apparently I need to do that now.
Is Ayaya a she? I don't know anymore. Someone please put up a gender reference sheet. Anyway, she was trying to cut off the conversation because it was a pretty unnecessary conversation, and she didn't say that people in the discussion were scummy. She said that if the conversation were to continue, scum would likely participate in order to fake activity. Bit of a misunderstanding here, although I don't think it was unintentional. More on that later.
OK, so I'm going to assume that there is some kind of explanation to this if it's in context, but since I haven't looked, I have no idea if that's true. So I'll let you have this one, besides the (awful) explanation that she missed it somehow and was just mindlessly quoting. I would like Ayaya to answer this, please.
This is probably a bit too far of a stretch here though.
Yeah, couldn't think of a good reason to do this. The problem with 2 team mafia is that I actually can't dismiss that Ayaya is scum even if you're pushing on them , because scum will actually be scumhunting for real instead of pretending. But maybe Ayaya didn't think those posts were necessary or meaningful? Or maybe they missed them while they were looking. There's more than two sides here.
WARNING, THIS IS A JOKE. REPEAT, THIS IS A JOKE.
Ooooh, let's!
RUNERAIDER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON: Making a slightly offensive joke and hurting someone's feelings on the internet.
JOKE OVER. I REPEAT, JOKE OVER.
This is the part where Kat begins to get a bit scummy. Ayaya wasn't reading Jacob as scum because he was trying to get a discussion going. She was scum reading him because he seemed to be not reading. The bit about getting a discussion going was what he was missing. Let me re-bold it for you.
What I've done here is bold the point Ayaya was trying to make and put in italics the evidence she was using. It wasn't that she was trying to scumread him because he was making pointless discussions at all, it was because he was deliberately ignoring posts that could incriminate him. This is quite a large oversight on Kat's part, and honestly I couldn't say this is a town move without using the (awful) argument of saying you somehow missed it.
On the other hand, here is her read of Daniel:
See how it's a completely different point?
WARNING, THIS IS A JOKE. REPEAT, THIS IS A JOKE.
This is just a nitpick, but for the sake of being complete and making myself feel superior, the word you're looking for there is an inconsistency. It wasn't a contradiction that you 'found', it was Ayaya being inconsistent with her reads. All in a days work for a Grammar Nazi!
JOKE OVER. I REPEAT, JOKE OVER.
In the former post, Ayaya is talking about her reaction in the GLORY TO ARSTOZKA game, in which she was town. Plus, you're taking this completely out of context. In the first post, she's talking about your meta as well as what she thought about you as town in another game. In the second post, she's talking about Panda, whose alliance is still not confirmed, and what she's thinking about her behavior in this game so far.
Plus, since this 'contradiction' (it's not a contradiction, it's a inconsistency) spans multiple games, there is an argument here. Now, I don't want to give my thoughts away here, because I really want to see what Ayaya says about this topic in particular and if it fits my theory, but it does explain the inconsistency here. I will post my theory after Ayaya responds specifically to this question.
@Ayaya: Please, why did you say that constant posting was a scumtell in the last game, and not in this game? If I'm right, this will be another debunk, but until I get word from her on this, it's still an unresolved point.
First of all, her post on me made me feel very unloved.
Secondly, this will probably be used against me later if this continues, so that's irratating.
And now my actual point - the answer is literally in your quote. She said right there that nothing in my replies stood out to her. Yes, that does seem like a null read, but considering that so many people have posted not a lot and I was quite active then, nothing scummy at all does seem like a slight townread to me. Read - slight. Not a very strong read at all, but she's leaning. If this really is mafia trying to cover up for me, it would probably be a bit more conclusive than leaning.
Already replied to this, see the first '''contradiction'''.
It wasn't so much as defending Ness than rebutting Jacob.
...Kind of like what I'm doing now...
OK, I'm going to just point this out before anyone has the chance to pull me up for this. I have a null read on Ayaya, and this isn't a post defending her, as you can see from the numerous times I conceded that it was a bad move on her part. I'm simply pointing out some discrepancies I saw in Kat's post. Don't say that I was defending Ayaya, and Ayaya's scum, therefore I'm scum. It's not like that at all.
For the first point, that's actually pretty decent but she isn't directly saying that she's reading Ness as scum yet. Instead, she' simply stating that there's a high chance that she'll read Ness as scum somewhere down the line. Not a defense.
Secondly, she is simply stating here that she found Ness to be odd, kind of like in the first post where she was finding his heated arguments at the start of the game odd because it was a lot more emotional than his earlier games. I do agree that her second post did seem pretty dismissive of Ness's behavior, but I do understand the mindset of wanting to focus on a specific scum read - it helps you to pick up on their scummy actions better and stay more focused on scumhunting. While I would probably be a bit more suspicious of Ness in this position, I would honestly probably be doing the same thing. A bit weird, but it's understandable in my opinion. Again, it's not a defense, which is probably my biggest problem here. You keep sayig that Ayaya is defending Ness here, when in reality she's simply dismissing and not focusing on Ness and his actions. This is not a defense.
So, I'm gonna try and keep this brief because this post is already so long. I will go into more detail later as well as give some more reads of who I think could be on the scum teams. Basically, I'm relatively sure that Kat is scum, more specifically on the third-party team. Not just for this post, mind you, but also for a number of other reasons which I'll talk about later.
AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE READS MY LARGE RANTY POST THIS TIME
Well, I may not have mentioned it, hell, it may have just been a personal disliking because he came off like a douche. Either way, I was suspicious.
Just about to explain this as well as yell at literally everyone because they missed this. It's SO OBVIOUS THAT IT'S DANIEL THAT IT HURTS AND I WILL SHOW WHY.
So Minties literally put everything I wanted to say and summed in up in a post better than I ever could.
Either way, CAN WE PLEASE ADDRESS THE ****ING PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW AND I'M TIRED OF IT BEING IGNORED OR BRUSHED OFF
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*About Lucanosa
Either way, CAN WE PLEASE ADDRESS THE ****ING PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW AND I'M TIRED OF IT BEING IGNORED OR BRUSHED OFF
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*About Lucanosa
PandaDarling
Purple People Eater
@Rune why do all the quotes you pulled for that post not have the "originally posted by" at the top it makes it really hard to follow and i also don't like that you are tampering with the quotes, might be taking things out of context and what not.
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
I'm pretty sure if I was trying to not get killed I wouldn't have put out my suspicions at the time. I liked Sarasa's reaction test to Beardo and I believed (and still do) that Beardo acted pretty defensively to something so small.
I agreed with Ness' points and what he was saying because Daniel really was acting suspiciously, but as I said at the bottom of my post, I read his posts as town posts and I believe they are quite sincere. That is why I didn't vote for him regardless of the points stacked up against him. I always read Ness' arguments as quite sincere, as they very well could have been considering there are two scum teams this game. If I was on a mafia team with Ness, I am sure splitting the mafia's votes and letting a team mate be lynched so early when so little suspicion was on him would not have been a good idea even if I was bussing like I normally do as scum. I, in fact, believe my posts show why I am indeed town.
I believe some of you are forgetting something that was mentioned so early that it's very likely for either mafia team to be making good points this game because literally every player in the game is hunting someone. Ness may have legitimately been hunting third party.
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And as I mentioned about how it's very likely that scum and third party will be making completely valid points to find the other mafia team this game, I believe there is a possibility of even Minties being third party. It doesn't make any of her points less valid, of course. Confirming someone as town this game is definitely not going to be the easiest and I hope the items that exist in the game help a lot.
@Sataric: I deeply apologize i broke the rules of the game, i promise i will not do it again and post forgotten info a later post.
Well i missed, but GLORY TO THE TOWN with the Scum lynch.
Sorry if i'm being a detriment due to my inactivity, i have been studying like crazy due to the approach of Final Exams. I won't be able to put my two cents in on this situation but i promise i will give out my view on the situation either later today or tomorrow.
Sayonara!.
Well i missed, but GLORY TO THE TOWN with the Scum lynch.
Sorry if i'm being a detriment due to my inactivity, i have been studying like crazy due to the approach of Final Exams. I won't be able to put my two cents in on this situation but i promise i will give out my view on the situation either later today or tomorrow.
Sayonara!.
rune why can't you automatically quote instead of manually doing it, its hard to determine who said what...
Well, I agree with most of Minties case, not so much on the Ayaya part, but then again, its hard to determine who's who with 2 scum teams on the loose
Well, I agree with most of Minties case, not so much on the Ayaya part, but then again, its hard to determine who's who with 2 scum teams on the loose
OK KIDS GET READY TO BEAT YOURSLEVES OVER THE HEAD BECAUSE I AM ANNOYED.
(Read the whole thing because I do calm down after a bit, but I left it in because I thought it was funny )
also trigger warning, im gonna try and keep this as kid-friendy as i can but seriously i am reeeeeaaaally annoyed at every single one of you for giving daniel a free pass on this matter
and daniel dont hate me or think im making a personal attack on you because im not, its just that you screwed up real hard and i need to put this out there
also be warned because i am viewing this objectively which noone seemed to do and just saw that hes a bit sad and went 'oh well, hes a bit sad. i know that if im sad i would say that i screwed up, will do a intentionally scummy thing such as annoy the town and generally confirm myself as mafia, la dee da'
its moments like these that endless needs to be here so that he can serve justice
SO ANYWAY CAPS LOCK IS BACK ON AND IM REALLY ANNOYED
LOOK AT THIS POST
LOOK AT IT
tell me with a straight face that out of context that doesnt look like scum giving up completely
HE EVEN VOTED FOR HIMSELF
read that post again imagining that daniel was town. it literaly makes no sense whatsoever.
now, read it now that you know daniel is scum. OH LOOK IT MAKES SENSE NOW
OK, I'm a bit calmer now, so I'm going to try and talk about this more civilly.
If, as everyone seems to believe, Daniel was indeed town, he would not being saying that he 'screwed up'. He would be saying that the town screwed up, wouldn't he?
And all this isn't even taking into account that he was emotionally charged at the time. Even if (I'm gonna get yelled at for even suggesting this) the relative dying story was a ruse, it still makes no sense whatsoever that they would post this. The last but about annoying town is a bit more believable, because he would be vengeful towards town for killing him. However, this is again directly contradicted IN THE SAME POST by him saying that he screwed up. It's a no brainer that he would be saying, like Luca for some reason, that town is the one who screwed up for voting him. There's no way to argue against it.
So then, why did Ness push on Daniel? Because Ness is mafia, and Daniel is third party. Simple. It makes the most sense out of literally any other interpretation you could come up with.
So, in conclusion, Daniel is third party, and there's no way I will ever change my mind. I would be incredibly annoyed if Daniel isn't killed at some point, and I would advise any vigs to kill him.
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This is for Panda too.
Any part in which I didn't directly say where it was coming from is from Kat's post with no exceptions as far as I can tell. Also, don't ask the same questions.
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I never tampered (except for correcting 'ok' to 'OK' out of habit) with any of the posts, they're all copy and pasted.
(Read the whole thing because I do calm down after a bit, but I left it in because I thought it was funny
)also trigger warning, im gonna try and keep this as kid-friendy as i can but seriously i am reeeeeaaaally annoyed at every single one of you for giving daniel a free pass on this matter
and daniel dont hate me or think im making a personal attack on you because im not, its just that you screwed up real hard and i need to put this out there
also be warned because i am viewing this objectively which noone seemed to do and just saw that hes a bit sad and went 'oh well, hes a bit sad. i know that if im sad i would say that i screwed up, will do a intentionally scummy thing such as annoy the town and generally confirm myself as mafia, la dee da'
its moments like these that endless needs to be here so that he can serve justice
SO ANYWAY CAPS LOCK IS BACK ON AND IM REALLY ANNOYED
LOOK AT THIS POST
LOOK AT IT
tell me with a straight face that out of context that doesnt look like scum giving up completely
HE EVEN VOTED FOR HIMSELF
read that post again imagining that daniel was town. it literaly makes no sense whatsoever.
now, read it now that you know daniel is scum. OH LOOK IT MAKES SENSE NOW
OK, I'm a bit calmer now, so I'm going to try and talk about this more civilly.
If, as everyone seems to believe, Daniel was indeed town, he would not being saying that he 'screwed up'. He would be saying that the town screwed up, wouldn't he?
And all this isn't even taking into account that he was emotionally charged at the time. Even if (I'm gonna get yelled at for even suggesting this) the relative dying story was a ruse, it still makes no sense whatsoever that they would post this. The last but about annoying town is a bit more believable, because he would be vengeful towards town for killing him. However, this is again directly contradicted IN THE SAME POST by him saying that he screwed up. It's a no brainer that he would be saying, like Luca for some reason, that town is the one who screwed up for voting him. There's no way to argue against it.
So then, why did Ness push on Daniel? Because Ness is mafia, and Daniel is third party. Simple. It makes the most sense out of literally any other interpretation you could come up with.
So, in conclusion, Daniel is third party, and there's no way I will ever change my mind. I would be incredibly annoyed if Daniel isn't killed at some point, and I would advise any vigs to kill him.
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This is for Panda too.
Any part in which I didn't directly say where it was coming from is from Kat's post with no exceptions as far as I can tell. Also, don't ask the same questions.
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I never tampered (except for correcting 'ok' to 'OK' out of habit) with any of the posts, they're all copy and pasted.
