Mafia TBT Mafia ~ The Binding of Isaac ~ Town Wins!

[Sataric]

Oh, and I forgot to say this in case it was not so obvious: If you get roleblocked whilst trying to give away the bomb (or any other item), the trade-away will fail and the item will remain in your own inventory.

 

[Beardo]

Hm, odd you never mentioned him before when you gave your initial impressions. Care to explain why?

Initial as in... that last long post I made or what? Luca was my #1, and still is, but N e s s was a close 2nd

 

[N e s s]

If you're currently alive in this game, please consider the following ~

1. **** you.
2. Please let me live past day one
3. Why do all of you assume that I get mad and overly defensive when I only made 1 post like that. I was going to play calmer this game, I didn't do ****.
4. Please remember what I said on Daniel
5. Go back to one.

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Also duck you all for lynching me because of a grammatical error.

 

[Jacob]

omg that salt

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jk love u maybe next time

 

[ZetaFunction]

Ayyye! Super stoked we knocked out scum D1. let's hope whoever has the bomb throws it at scum tonight o;

 

[Arstotzkan]

Initial as in... that last long post I made or what? Luca was my #1, and still is, but N e s s was a close 2nd

No your first impressions. You said Ness was scummy the whole game, though you only mentioned Trojan/me in your first post.

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@Obs Mind pointing Ness towards Meow's post? I think it might make more sense to him that way.

 

[oath2order]

If you're currently alive in this game, please consider the following ~

1. **** you.
2. Please let me live past day one
3. Why do all of you assume that I get mad and overly defensive when I only made 1 post like that. I was going to play calmer this game, I didn't do ****.
4. Please remember what I said on Daniel
5. Go back to one.

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Also duck you all for lynching me because of a grammatical error.

Hahahaha

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Not so much a grammatical error as much as you subconscious stating the truth

 

[PandaDarling]

If you're currently alive in this game, please consider the following ~

1. **** you.
2. Please let me live past day one
3. Why do all of you assume that I get mad and overly defensive when I only made 1 post like that. I was going to play calmer this game, I didn't do ****.
4. Please remember what I said on Daniel
5. Go back to one.

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Also duck you all for lynching me because of a grammatical error.

ill leave this here for you incase you didnt see it the first time >>>

@Oath
ya it is the same-ish thing but the point is when he was typing his mind automatically thought to alienate himself from town. im not saying this one thing means hes scum i'm just saying it could be a slip town wouldn't think to type "to THE town" cause your part of town. if that makes sense.

1. Wow.
2. No Scum.
3. Perfect example why.
4. You're died now.
5. Bye Pineapple Head. go be salty in obs, thanks.

Also you made a stupid error that gave you away so don't act like we are bad for catching your slip.

 

[Dinosaurz]

question:

can i go ahead and be added to replacements cause im free for the holidays just in case its needed

 

[PandaDarling]

dead *^ ha

 

[N e s s]

ill leave this here for you incase you didnt see it the first time >>>



1. Wow.
2. No Scum.
3. Perfect example why.
4. You're died now.
5. Bye Pineapple Head. go be salty in obs, thanks.

Also you made a stupid error that gave you away so don't act like we are bad for catching your slip.

i hate you.

 

[Sataric]

question:

can i go ahead and be added to replacements cause im free for the holidays just in case its needed

Of course. Sorry that the game started during a time in which you were unable to participate.

 

[Arstotzkan]

Yo guys, I made a huge case on someone (and by huge I mean HUGE). Should I put it in a spoiler to condense space or should I leave it unspoilered so people notice it?

 

[Heyden]

Yo guys, I made a huge case on someone (and by huge I mean HUGE). Should I put it in a spoiler to condense space or should I leave it unspoilered so people notice it?

unspoilered would be better, dw about taking up space

 

[Arstotzkan]

@dough Mkay.

So my scumspect is Ayaya.

I've been lowkey suspicious of her this entire game, but didn't want to say much because I didn't want to cause day to get derailed like it did last game and I didn't want her to really know I was suspicious so she'd be acting like she would normally. However, with the Ness lynch, I feel much more confident in her being scum, so here we go. Hopefully not too much salt this time.

WARNING: This post is long af. A TL;DR is here if you're afraid of being overwhelmed:

Spoiler: TL;DR

She's seen defending Ness pretty hard, and she seems to try to not make it too obvious and when she finally does air it out, she explains how he could be scum which means a null read. Speaking of which, she contradicts herself quite a bit, omits information, becomes very vague, discourages conversation, and blatantly ignores questions. So Sheriff, if you're out there, please investigate her. I'd be very grateful

Spoiler: All of her posts

1. How are you doing today? I stayed up playing FEF last night and got to woken up early by my sis, so I'm a bit sleepy.
2. Would you prefer to play as town or scum in this game? I want to play as scum for once. Scumhunting when you're not really sure how scum works has its disadvantages
3. What will you be known for in this game? Idk? I don't think my playstyle ever gave enough impression that people make a meme out of it.

If there's Chocolate Milk as an item, can I have the Strawberry Milk as well?

My thoughts exactly. We could deduce how much KP they have after N1 anyway so discussing this now won't really help much, though at least it got a discussion going.

Waiting for other players to say more, and particularly Lucanosa on why they voted for Daniel (like it could be just a random vote but why Daniel of all people?)

I'll look further at the KP discussion later cause I think scum is more likely to participate in it so they look like they're contributing when the discussion of KP won't help (especially if they can misled town through night kills with it). Gotta do something else for today.

Okay, as I said, I'm gonna look at the people who participated in the KP discussion as it's likely at least one scum is contributing there so they seem active while not really contributing.

As it can be seen above, the first person who brought up the topic is Daniel. I'm null on him because it's likely he's just saying that to get a discussion going. Also getting null from the rest of his posts.

The person who answered him first is Jacob, and out of all his posts, this stands out to me:


This post seem to indicate he's not reading the thread at all, claimed to read 12 pages back yet didn't see that the convo stopped after doughssant and I pointed out that KP discussion isn't helping much beside getting a discussion going.

And why do you think PL and no lynch is favorable when we're not even close to deadline and people have started discussing their suspicions at that time? You haven't even posted your reads or try to question people to justify that conclusion.

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Next to join the discussion is SarasaKat. She mentioned she wanted to change her playstyle before the game started yet I'm seeing the same playstyle as in Papers Please here, which in that game made me think she's suspicious because she posts a lot to make it harder for town to find info. Though unlike Papers Please, half of the players are not posting as much so she did get a discussion going now. She also made newbies feel welcome and speak up which is good. Null for now but I hope you're town mom instead of scum mom this game lol.

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Afterwards is Panda. M3ow brought up good points but I personally don't think someone who's trying to contribute should be seen as scum simply because they posted a lot of filler (I made that assumption on Kat on the last game, after all) if anything, she posts a lot that it's easier to find slips if she is scum. Null on her but I'll be reading through her replies throughout the game, and it would help if you post less so it's easier for me and others to read through x_x

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And then we have Ness. His "lets try to do some math there" kind of piqued me at first since they furthered the KP discussion. I never played with him as mafia and I always read him as scummy at some point because of how emotional he gets (ex: Scummy Mafia where he got into a heated argument with Trojan) and the only reason I didn't go after him like others in Papers Please is because he RC'd to me. I'm gonna give him another read when someone has flipped but for now null.

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I'm leaning on town for Runeraider and oath2order for now, so far nothing in their replies stands out to me and Oath is acting like in Forest Fire here (tho I never played with him as scum so not sure if there are playstyle changes)

Also leaning on town for doughssant since they pointed out what I was thinking. I think if they're scum they would've stayed quiet.

I woke up 2 hours ago and have only been looking at the people I listed above, so I haven't looked through everyone else as closely. Will read through the thread once again now.

If you noticed, Jacob is the only on that list that I didn't null or town read, and I'm waiting for his response.

1. So you were just skimming then?
2. That's an odd time to do a reaction test. What result were you hoping for and what conclusion did you get?

So you said the PL/no lynch was just a reaction test but here you're basing your vote on Ness on PL. Someone getting angry in a mafia game isn't enough reason to vote, especially when Ness is known to be emotional even as town.

That reminds me that you were behaving similarly in Papers Please as mafia where you suggested (or something similar) lynching an inactive and ended up voting for an inactive despite at that time lynch candidates were brought up.


Actually I was just using meta to point out that you're behaving similarly as you are in Papers Please and didn't want to make that mistake again assuming you're scum purely out of filler posts, hence the "(...) she did get a discussion going now. She also made newbies feel welcome and speak up which is good." part.

Okay, finished reading through the thread. After seeing all the discussions going on between players, I noticed some things but not enough to really pinpoint their alignment, and so far Jacob is the one I find the most suspicious still, so I'm placing my vote on him.

Other players whose names are brought up (Lucanosa, Daniel, Panda, Ness) I see more as townie so far. Lucanosa is quick to assumptions as usual, and someone pointed out that they'd probably lay low as scum which I agree. Panda, Ness, and Daniel has some posts/behavior that seem a bit odd to me but I think I'll leave that to D2 since it's not odd enough for me to agree that they seem scummy. I can also see the logic in Ness' read, but I noticed how it's a bit odd that he went back to being aggressive in this game, when he said in previous games that he's trying to be less so.

Don't have reads for any other players so far that's worth pointing out.


That's because you're as experienced as Daniel and Ness here yet you're not contributing as enough as them (you've played more games than I did, even!)

Please post more and post seriously </3

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The first thing that made me start to scum read her was this:

My thoughts exactly. We could deduce how much KP they have after N1 anyway so discussing this now won't really help much, though at least it got a discussion going.

Waiting for other players to say more, and particularly Lucanosa on why they voted for Daniel (like it could be just a random vote but why Daniel of all people?)

I'll look further at the KP discussion later cause I think scum is more likely to participate in it so they look like they're contributing when the discussion of KP won't help (especially if they can misled town through night kills with it). Gotta do something else for today.

This seemed like she was trying to cut off conversation to the point of calling people who were in it scummy. I pressed her on this point:

Thing is if discussion isn't about KP and the potential set up, what would it be about? Everyone commenting that they exist and waiting for Luca to explain himself? Discussion would go no where and all reads would be based off of "hey" and "ooh Luca's baaad" posts. Idk about you guys, but in talking about the set up, I'm scum hunting.

Agreed on wanting to hear more from others/Luca point though.

She never responded. She even quoted my question in her analysis of this discussion (her 3rd post), but she never answered. So I know she saw it. But here we are, without an answer. And without one, the only thing I can assume she was doing was trying to cut off discussion out of intimidation. I think this was a little psychological manipulation on her part.

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Then there's this post:

Okay, as I said, I'm gonna look at the people who participated in the KP discussion as it's likely at least one scum is contributing there so they seem active while not really contributing.

As it can be seen above, the first person who brought up the topic is Daniel. I'm null on him because it's likely he's just saying that to get a discussion going. Also getting null from the rest of his posts.

The person who answered him first is Jacob, and out of all his posts, this stands out to me:


This post seem to indicate he's not reading the thread at all, claimed to read 12 pages back yet didn't see that the convo stopped after doughssant and I pointed out that KP discussion isn't helping much beside getting a discussion going.

And why do you think PL and no lynch is favorable when we're not even close to deadline and people have started discussing their suspicions at that time? You haven't even posted your reads or try to question people to justify that conclusion.

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Next to join the discussion is SarasaKat. She mentioned she wanted to change her playstyle before the game started yet I'm seeing the same playstyle as in Papers Please here, which in that game made me think she's suspicious because she posts a lot to make it harder for town to find info. Though unlike Papers Please, half of the players are not posting as much so she did get a discussion going now. She also made newbies feel welcome and speak up which is good. Null for now but I hope you're town mom instead of scum mom this game lol.

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Afterwards is Panda. M3ow brought up good points but I personally don't think someone who's trying to contribute should be seen as scum simply because they posted a lot of filler (I made that assumption on Kat on the last game, after all) if anything, she posts a lot that it's easier to find slips if she is scum. Null on her but I'll be reading through her replies throughout the game, and it would help if you post less so it's easier for me and others to read through x_x

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And then we have Ness. His "lets try to do some math there" kind of piqued me at first since they furthered the KP discussion. I never played with him as mafia and I always read him as scummy at some point because of how emotional he gets (ex: Scummy Mafia where he got into a heated argument with Trojan) and the only reason I didn't go after him like others in Papers Please is because he RC'd to me. I'm gonna give him another read when someone has flipped but for now null.

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I'm leaning on town for Runeraider and oath2order for now, so far nothing in their replies stands out to me and Oath is acting like in Forest Fire here (tho I never played with him as scum so not sure if there are playstyle changes)

Also leaning on town for doughssant since they pointed out what I was thinking. I think if they're scum they would've stayed quiet.

I woke up 2 hours ago and have only been looking at the people I listed above, so I haven't looked through everyone else as closely. Will read through the thread once again now.

First off, you pretty blatantly omitted some relevant posts.

Spoiler: Other relevant posts

not really, its 2 scum teams and a 3rd party teams and I assume they would all be equal or close to equal so I think it would be like 2-3 people per team bc it would be too op with more people but idk, ive never played with a third party team and/or 2 scum teams soooo.

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wait am i reading wrong i thought there were 2 mafia teams and a third party team

ya its hard to pin point the amount of members of each team as of now... you have to remember each team will always be working against each other so i have a feeling they might be a little bigger than we think, maybe 5 people each... also have you looked over the roles ? anything stand out to you ? anything you might be concerned about ?

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also *** be working against each other

okay nvm i take what i said back, so its 3rd party vs Mafia so im guessing like 3-4 each team, so 2KP each, unless 3rd party doesnt have KP

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im concerned about pride tbh, i hate it when a role isnt revealed upon death

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a lot of the roles are pretty complicated so i guess anything could happen, hopefully night wont be too eventful

it doesn't say that their role will neve be revealed it says that the role of their victim will not be revealed....

which is a worry cause then someone can fake claim that role and we wouldn't know.

i know but in terms of in game, ofc we will know after the game haha
well, i wonder if Samson gets a vig shot if 3rd party is lynched or only mafia, this set up is pretty confusingggg

Is there a reason why you chose 4? Because that seems like a lot imo
I'm a bit confused about this. In the OP it says that there are two mafia teams. And then Jacob said that, but then Panda said that the 3rd party team is the 2nd scum team. so is the third party the other scum team, or is there two mafia teams and a third party team?



This seems like a lot more balanced to me than what Jacob said, it'd be too much if half of us were scum

Yeah, Jacob just got confused with the op. There's three teams - town, 'horrors' and 'sins' - but just to make it easier, I'd propose that we either call them mafia team 1 and 2 or just scum and third party.

@m3ow ya i think its "Victims" (town) vs "Horrors" (Mafia) vs " Sins" (Third Party)



@Runeraider thats why i started calling them Scum Team A and Scum Team B to help us differentiate between the two teams.

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@Dough im interested in why you feel this way ? is it cause he went back to the way he use o play or cause you think he's changed his game style all together again ? maybe you are picking up on something Luca is, since they voted for him ?

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oouut

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oops wtf showed as a recent post sorry

Ooh good question.

Does Samson get a vig shot if 3rd party is lynched or does he get the shot only if mafia is lynched?

Can't really think of a good reason to do that other than wanting to put the people who you did quote into a mosh pit of scumminess or if you wanted to avoid these posts for some reason. I don't think it's the former because you null/town read most. Maybe you wanted to justify a townie read on dough or you didn't want to mention meow? I'm not really sure why, but I definitely can't see a town motivation behind omitting posts.

Now onto the reads you made:

The person who answered him first is Jacob, and out of all his posts, this stands out to me:

Read like 12 pages and it seems like we are trying to squeeze something out of a lot of nothing fam

I guess the most sus action up till now is N e s s being exceedingly hostile towards alexi when she was just trying to help, but thats about as much as we can get day 1 right (unless ur Blu Rose and scum slip D1 LOL)

PL or no lynch is looking pretty favorable

Did we ever come up with a reasonable guess as to how many town vs maf vs 3rd party? or did the convo just drop

This post seem to indicate he's not reading the thread at all, claimed to read 12 pages back yet didn't see that the convo stopped after doughssant and I pointed out that KP discussion isn't helping much beside getting a discussion going.

And why do you think PL and no lynch is favorable when we're not even close to deadline and people have started discussing their suspicions at that time? You haven't even posted your reads or try to question people to justify that conclusion.

The part that concerned me was the bold. Compare this to her read of Daniel:

As it can be seen above, the first person who brought up the topic is Daniel. I'm null on him because it's likely he's just saying that to get a discussion going.

So getting a discussion going is scummy if it's done by Jacob, and null if it's done by Daniel? That seems a bit shady.

Next to join the discussion is SarasaKat. She mentioned she wanted to change her playstyle before the game started yet I'm seeing the same playstyle as in Papers Please here, which in that game made me think she's suspicious because she posts a lot to make it harder for town to find info. Though unlike Papers Please, half of the players are not posting as much so she did get a discussion going now. She also made newbies feel welcome and speak up which is good. Null for now but I hope you're town mom instead of scum mom this game lol.

Again, Ayaya contradicts herself:

Afterwards is Panda. M3ow brought up good points but I personally don't think someone who's trying to contribute should be seen as scum simply because they posted a lot of filler (I made that assumption on Kat on the last game, after all) if anything, she posts a lot that it's easier to find slips if she is scum. Null on her but I'll be reading through her replies throughout the game, and it would help if you post less so it's easier for me and others to read through x_x

Now the contradiction here isn't as obvious, but look at the tone of the how she says it. With her read of me, she says "she posts a lot to make it harder for town to find info" and followed it by "Thought unlike..." and gave things that I did that were pro-town, making the 1st item seem like her problem with me. However, in Panda's post, she says "I don't think someone who's trying to contribute should be seen as scum" and "she posts a lot that it's easier to find slips if she is scum", which is basically what was said about me in a positive light (whereas when she said the same thing to me, it was spun into a more negative light).

I'm leaning on town for Runeraider and oath2order for now, so far nothing in their replies stands out to me and Oath is acting like in Forest Fire here (tho I never played with him as scum so not sure if there are playstyle changes)

Also leaning on town for doughssant since they pointed out what I was thinking. I think if they're scum they would've stayed quiet.

Huh, and you don't find it fit to give Rune a reason besides nothing stood out to you about him? That seems like a very null indicator - a town read off of that seems kind of odd. But that's more besides the point.

And I kind of pointed this out already, but dough did join in on the conversation you considered suspicious so.

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1. So you were just skimming then?
2. That's an odd time to do a reaction test. What result were you hoping for and what conclusion did you get?

So you said the PL/no lynch was just a reaction test but here you're basing your vote on Ness on PL. Someone getting angry in a mafia game isn't enough reason to vote, especially when Ness is known to be emotional even as town.

That reminds me that you were behaving similarly in Papers Please as mafia where you suggested (or something similar) lynching an inactive and ended up voting for an inactive despite at that time lynch candidates were brought up.


Actually I was just using meta to point out that you're behaving similarly as you are in Papers Please and didn't want to make that mistake again assuming you're scum purely out of filler posts, hence the "(...) she did get a discussion going now. She also made newbies feel welcome and speak up which is good." part.

I'm relatively ok with the post content itself, but I find it interesting she's defending Ness (the bolded) after she just got done saying she null read him. And it wasn't a perfectly neutral null either.

And then we have Ness. His "lets try to do some math there" kind of piqued me at first since they furthered the KP discussion. I never played with him as mafia and I always read him as scummy at some point because of how emotional he gets (ex: Scummy Mafia where he got into a heated argument with Trojan) and the only reason I didn't go after him like others in Papers Please is because he RC'd to me. I'm gonna give him another read when someone has flipped but for now null.]

She points out something suspicious Ness did but then goes on to say "I always read him as scummy at some point." so if she can't find anything good that Ness did, that implies a slight scum lean. Yet she posted here defending him.

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Okay, finished reading through the thread. After seeing all the discussions going on between players, I noticed some things but not enough to really pinpoint their alignment, and so far Jacob is the one I find the most suspicious still, so I'm placing my vote on him.

Other players whose names are brought up (Lucanosa, Daniel, Panda, Ness) I see more as townie so far. Lucanosa is quick to assumptions as usual, and someone pointed out that they'd probably lay low as scum which I agree. Panda, Ness, and Daniel has some posts/behavior that seem a bit odd to me but I think I'll leave that to D2 since it's not odd enough for me to agree that they seem scummy. I can also see the logic in Ness' read, but I noticed how it's a bit odd that he went back to being aggressive in this game, when he said in previous games that he's trying to be less so.

Don't have reads for any other players so far that's worth pointing out.


That's because you're as experienced as Daniel and Ness here yet you're not contributing as enough as them (you've played more games than I did, even!)

Please post more and post seriously </3

Again, she's defending a mafian as a townie but that isn't the main point here. She is extremely vague here. "I noticed some things"? " 'x' has some posts/behavior that seem a bit odd to me"?

Also, she mentions she saw the logic with Ness, but then she also tries to defend him in a way that doesn't even justify his actions as if it's a reason it's making her pause and see him as town. And she says she's seeing reasons for a Ness lynch, yet she says he's town. Seeing a town and a mafian reason is another version of a null read.

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Man, congrats if you got through that whole post. But to sum it up, she's seen defending Ness pretty hard, and she seems to try to not make it too obvious and when she finally does air it out, she explains how he could be scum which means a null read. Speaking of which, she contradicts herself quite a bit, omits information, becomes very vague, discourages conversation, and blatantly ignores questions. So Sheriff, please investigate her. I'd be very grateful

 

[PandaDarling]

Yo guys, I made a huge case on someone (and by huge I mean HUGE). Should I put it in a spoiler to condense space or should I leave it unspoilered so people notice it?

like Donald Trump "HUUUUUGE" ? ya no spoiler please don't want anyone to over look it.

 

[Arstotzkan]

like Donald Trump "HUUUUUGE" ? ya no spoiler please don't want anyone to over look it.

lol ninja'd

I SPENT 3 HOURS ON THAT POST I FEEL SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE.

 

[Heyden]

i spend like 30 mins max oops
well, expect my reads after tonights events if I live, dont want to talk out loud at night

 

[Damniel]

Hey guys, I took a long shower and rested a bit so I'm a lot better. Still taking a break but I think I'm well enough for a little update.

Spoiler: For those wondering about my personal life

I found out my Great Aunt passed away last night. She was battling Alzheimer's for a few years now, so she submitted to it. This is believe it or not the first death of someone I held dear to me. Everything felt like I was in a bad dream and I couldn't really think in depth. That's why I was acting very unusual and forgot I was even playing to the point that I just wanted to stop. But I've been able to relax so I should be fine now. Thank you guys for understanding,the people are what I love about Mafia the most. <3

Anyways, I'm glad we got scum. I hope this at least shows I can't be on the Mafia team. Ness was trying to bring me to the brink of basically being lynched, and I don't think scum would bus that badly to a teammate. I take full responsibility for my behavior this Day, but I hope you guys can at least give me a chance to prove myself D2.

i hate you.

This is the aggressive and emotional side everyone is talking about. I highly doubt any of us actually hate you, it's all merely a game. There's no need to lash out on people, even I didn't lash out(albeit I did to myself), so please remember that. I know it sucks that you haven't been able to live past D1 and play a full game, but it's just how it is. We had good reason for the lynch, so all you can do is learn from it.

Anyways, that's all I really have to say for now. I'm going to take my mind of things again. Peace.

 

[Heyden]

someone pass me the bomb