Mafia TBT Mafia V: There and Back Again [Game Over/Town Win]

[iLoveYou]

What? I wasn't trying to be offensive...

Also, iLoveYou...

You say that SP is too willing to make bad lynches, but you voted me the first day.

Now, I will shush, unless if I am addressed in someone's post and I feel the need to respond.

I already explained my vote for you. My intentions were not to get you lynched. Assuming the Mafia has weak players, I was hoping they would see me vote for you and take advantage to vote for you too. I knew for a fact you were not going to get lynched. You made yourself too much of an easy target. This is also assuming that you were not Mafia yourself. The difference with Superpenguin here is that he wants to use a lynch to confirm my role and supposedly use any information he's gathered. I had 0 intentions of getting you lynched & I was at work when majority hit on Dolby.

On Day One people were talking about how you were already someone to ignore. Which is why I chose to vote for you. There was security that players wouldn't lynch you that early. Again, the difference here is that Superpenguin actually wants to get me lynched and removed from the game to be able to confirm things.

 

[Gandalf]

Company of Thorin Oakenshield win conditions: Eliminate all Forces of Evil along with all serial killers.
Forces of Evil win conditions: Equal or outnumber the Town with all serial killers eliminated.
Serial Killer win condition: Retrieve the preciousss (aka. Eliminate all players).

For Blu Rose.

 

[Superpenguin]

I truly do believe you are in contact with a red player who is trying to influence you to get me lynched (assuming you are not Mafia). You guys have suddenly decided to target me and I'm pretty sure it's because they know my role. I've dropped so many hints, it's impossible you can't take a guess. If you tell me: "well why should I believe you" then I will simply ask you "what makes you believe them"? No nights have passed so it's not like anyone got inspected. You are simply choosing to trust them without good reason.

You were going to get me lynched in Mini Mafia 2 even after I directed the Town into getting out 1x Godfather (with your help) + 2x Roleblockers. I was a Miller in that game. That is why I say you will lead Town into making bad lynches. You will still have doubts until the end and waste time lynching those who make pro-Town movements. I could have seriously roleblock + killed my Vigilante instead of having him shoot Kuma the roleblocker from last game. I could have killed SirGanatar to frame Oath2Order last game too. If I were Mafia there is no way I would sacrifice 3/4 of my team on the first 3 days. Yet you were still going to lynch me because I returned Mafia Goon in that game. It's like you couldn't put 2 + 2 together to assume I was the Miller. I don't know if it had anything to do with my "Miller/Mafia hunt" but yeah. No Mafia player would be crazy enough to sacrifice thwir whole team.

This is why I say you need to think things through more carefully. This is why the Town should not follow you. You are too willing to make bad lynches just to figure out if others are Mafia.

You've dropped so many hints, but none of them are consistent with each other. You seem to have tried to claim every role out there.

I obviously thought you were a Miller in Mini-Mafia II. When Oath told me you returned red, I told him that we just take care of you later and lynch Fanous that night because he was the one who was supposed to be suspected anyway. Thus, I started to contact him in IRC to get him to slip that he is mafia which he did and we got him lynched instead of you. Obviously you returned Mafia in that game, so obviously I was going to suspect you regardless of past events, but I didn't let that little piece of evidence let me actually lynch you.

You want to know who these people are? Well, I actually put up my suspicions against you before anyone decided to contact me in regards to you. It wasn't until during the time I was making the post did KarlaKGB PM me asking me about what I thought about your statement of "If you shoot me, I won't die."

Then, it wasn't until after I switched my vote to Prin that Tom decided to come into contact with me privately. He wanted to know why I backed away from lynching you and seemed to want me to jump back against you and get you lynched. I was suspicious of that considering why didn't he come and support a lynch on you, then? But I also know Tom doesn't like getting involved in Day One suspicions through the thread

The only person I was ever in contact with about discussing you before I made that post was oath2order. I was telling him how I was going to start discussing with you and see how your reactions to certain scenarios differ from previous games. To which we agreed that I could act like I was suspicious of Oath to see how you would respond with the idea of a lynch on him.

And then you know that Trundle has said in the thread that would support a lynch on you, but he decided that Dolby would ultimately be a better choice.


Yes, any one of these people could be red and should not be completely trusted.

 

[iLoveYou]

@ Superpenguin : (too big to quote) If you are Town aligned then you are clearly being used. Look how much you and I have taken over this thread. It is highly likely that this is the case of two Town players being pitched against eachother. You are someone who often gets accusations going, which is why any player would approach you to start bringing up a name.

Tom was on my suspicion list. He PM'd me and was very anxious to get information from me. I can tell you all right now that Tom and I are in contact with someone who roleclaimed Serial Killer. I wasn't sure whether to bring this up simply because this Serial Killer apparently wants to work with Town. Being Town, I know that we will have to remove them. I couldn't bring it up because I kept having to focus on defending myself.

River roleclaimed Serial Killer, after roleclaiming Townie. Superpenguin you know I had suspicions on her because I did not believe her roleclaim. She was Roleclaimer #1 in the conversations.

I'm sorry River. :X But both Town and Serial Killers can't win. Please don't hate me. I believe that you do want to work with Town but eventually we will have to get you out.

 

[Keen]

And this is exactly why I roleclaimed as the serial killer to you, after I revealed my true role of Townie.

Because so many people don't trust you and I wanted to see if you'd try to out me as a serial killer.

Good job

 

[Trent the Paladin]

I'm sorry River. :X But both Town and Serial Killers can't win. Please don't hate me. I believe that you do want to work with Town but eventually we will have to get you out.

No but serial killers can definitely be used by town, so immediately throwing them under the damned bus doesn't help us. Vigs only have one to two shots, pair those up with a serial killer and the chances are us striking scum rise exponentially. Now it doesn't help us at all and revealing this only serves to save your skin from the lynch which is clearly beneficial to town now.

 

[Mary]

And this is exactly why I roleclaimed as the serial killer to you, after I revealed my true role of Townie.

Because so many people don't trust you and I wanted to see if you'd try to out me as a serial killer.

Good job

Hmm. Now to figure out if she's telling the truth.

 

[iLoveYou]

And this is exactly why I roleclaimed as the serial killer to you, after I revealed my true role of Townie.

Because so many people don't trust you and I wanted to see if you'd try to out me as a serial killer.

Good job

But why would you choose to roleclaim as Serial Killer? Why not something more safe, like Townie what you initially started with. Serial Killer is someone everyone wants out eventually and wants to out to the world. If you told anyone else I'm sure they would have outed you too eventually.

Also the reason why I found you suspicious was because of the followinv two questions you asked me:

1) Any good roles?
2) Are you in any PM circles?

I really do not believe you are a Townie. When you arwnie you are disinterested in the game. I told Superpenguin Day One that ypu seemed to actually want to participate this time, which led me to believe you had a night action / purpose instead of boring Townie.

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No but serial killers can definitely be used by town, so immediately throwing them under the damned bus doesn't help us. Vigs only have one to two shots, pair those up with a serial killer and the chances are us striking scum rise exponentially. Now it doesn't help us at all and revealing this only serves to save your skin from the lynch which is clearly beneficial to town now.

I was going to bring River's name up in Day One. Superpenguin can vouch for me because I immediately ran to him and expressed concern about her early in the game. Had you not gotten Superpenguin on my back, River's name would have surfaced Day One guaranteed.

 

[Superpenguin]

River roleclaimed Serial Killer, after roleclaiming Townie. Superpenguin you know I had suspicions on her because I did not believe her roleclaim. She was Roleclaimer #1 in the conversations.

I'm sorry River. :X But both Town and Serial Killers can't win. Please don't hate me. I believe that you do want to work with Town but eventually we will have to get you out.

Yes, I know you had suspicions on River and I was planning on getting back to you on that, but never had the chance to. To be honest, I am surprised she would roleclaim Serial Killer, I mean I am not doubting she is one, but she should know that she isn't going to win now.

 

[KarlaKGB]

And this is exactly why I roleclaimed as the serial killer to you, after I revealed my true role of Townie.

Because so many people don't trust you and I wanted to see if you'd try to out me as a serial killer.

Good job

Why wouldn't Kayla out the SK? SK is more likely to hit town than Mafia, and they don't care who they hit.

No but serial killers can definitely be used by town, so immediately throwing them under the damned bus doesn't help us. Vigs only have one to two shots, pair those up with a serial killer and the chances are us striking scum rise exponentially. Now it doesn't help us at all and revealing this only serves to save your skin from the lynch which is clearly beneficial to town now.

Why would SK work together with town? They have no reason to work with anyone as they are completely on their own with conflicting win conditions with everyone else.

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River claiming SK is ridiculous. She isn't under any sort of pressure here, and it would be an autolose for her, this makes no sense whatsoever. She's not a stupid player, it had to have been obvious that she was lying. The question is why would she lie to Kayla about it? And what does this say about Kayla, who just swallowed it up without thinking about it?

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Guys read her post, River is not the serial killer. If she really is and she claimed, she's incredibly, incredibly dumb. Why did you have suspicions on River, SP? River has been very quiet for various reasons, including this baby tiger thing, but it fits with her bored townie playstyle when she's not Mafia.

 

[Lauren]

But when someone claims two roles, from what I've read I got that river claimed two roles, now that makes me think are they bluffing about both roles.

 

[iLoveYou]

So then what were River's motives in roleclaiming as Serial Killer to me? Just to test me to see whether I would tell people? Anyone is going to out a Serial Killer. It would make more sense to test me by giving me a blue role. Not Serial Killer.

 

[Superpenguin]

Guys read her post, River is not the serial killer. If she really is and she claimed, she's incredibly, incredibly dumb. Why did you have suspicions on River, SP? River has been very quiet for various reasons, including this baby tiger thing, but it fits with her bored townie playstyle when she's not Mafia.

I never had really strong suspicions on River. I just wanted to talk to Kayla more about why she was so suspicious of River, because Kayla really only gave a few words about it. Here's what we said about River:

[23:09] <Kayla> By the way I have concerns about River. :/
[23:09] <Superpenguin> Really, why?
[23:09] <Kayla> One of the people who roleclaimed to me
[23:09] <Kayla> [21:06] <River> Any good role in mafia?
[23:09] <Kayla> [21:06] <River> I'm tired of being townie =[
[23:09] <Superpenguin> Why did that strike you as odd though?
[23:09] <Kayla> because she never approaches me
[23:09] <Kayla> and if she really was Townie
[23:09] <Superpenguin> oh
[23:09] <Kayla> she wouldn't even talk about the game at all
[23:09] <Superpenguin> hmmm
[23:10] <Kayla> she usually falls inactive right
[23:10] <Superpenguin> Yeah
[23:10] <Kayla> it looks like she's stepping up tho
[23:10] <Kayla> we'll have to wait a bit longer for sure
[23:10] <Superpenguin> But wasn't she away for like her past two games?
[23:10] <Kayla> well not really
[23:10] <Kayla> she was always on Mumble
[23:10] <Kayla> just playing games with friends (TF2 for example)
[23:11] <Superpenguin> oh
[23:11] <Kayla> But yeah, she's definitely one to keep an eye on

 

[Trent the Paladin]

But why would you choose to roleclaim as Serial Killer? Why not something more safe, like Townie what you initially started with. Serial Killer is someone everyone wants out eventually and wants to out to the world. If you told anyone else I'm sure they would have outed you too eventually.
Yeah, but once mafia wasn't much of a threat. If serial killers choose to work with town, then clearly they know that we're going to out them eventually so they have town's interests in hand. Killing everyone is a truly difficult role unless you work with someone, compared to Assassin's where they only had to kill the other assassin's.
Also the reason why I found you suspicious was because of the followinv two questions you asked me:

1) Any good roles?
2) Are you in any PM circles?
I really don't recall asking those questions at all and if I did I feel like they were taken out of context.
I really do not believe you are a Townie. When you arwnie you are disinterested in the game. I told Superpenguin Day One that ypu seemed to actually want to participate this time, which led me to believe you had a night action / purpose instead of boring Townie.
If you believe that, why air out that suspicion for everyone to see? Airing out the blues or possibly red to dry before night 2? Maybe I should have backed SP in getting you lynched instead of merely ignoring it.

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I was going to bring River's name up in Day One. Superpenguin can vouch for me because I immediately ran to him and expressed concern about her early in the game. Had you not gotten Superpenguin on my back, River's name would have surfaced Day One guaranteed.
I didn't sic SP on you, he did that himself. I later went to him after he backed down and asked him why he was dead set on getting you lynched, we had a conversation on that along with opinions on some players and essentially nothing else.

#Kayla4scum

 

[KarlaKGB]

Think about the SK's mindset. They don't care who dies. They don't care who gets lynched, as long as it's not themselves. They have no teammates that they have to look out for, or could be linked to. It makes absolutely zero sense for the SK to team up with anyone, it guarantees they will lose, and why do they need to form alliances anyway?

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Killing everyone is a truly difficult role unless you work with someone

What am I reading here? Killing everyone is only possible if you don't work with anyone. You just let them kill each other, and pick off people who you think may be getting onto you. Sure you can work with people to protect yourself but not by telling them you're a SK, which is the issue at heart here.

 

[Lauren]

What am I reading here? Killing everyone is only possible if you don't work with anyone. You just let them kill each other, and pick off people who you think may be getting onto you. Sure you can work with people to protect yourself but not by telling them you're a SK, which is the issue at heart here.

I agree, remember game one with gallows, he nearly had it, he had a good game plan, when trying to kill me he used his kill but I was being protected. He watched everyone pick one another off and it nearly worked.

 

[iLoveYou]

So then why would River lie to me in the first place and roleclaim as Serial Killer of all things? Can someone help bring reasoning to that. Was this really just a test to see if I would tell others?

 

[KarlaKGB]

So then why would River lie to me in the first place and roleclaim as Serial Killer of all things? Can someone help bring reasoning to that. Was this really just a test to see if I would tell others?

If it was a test, it's pretty useless as ANYONE should tell everyone else. The question is, did you really believe her? I find it somewhat difficult to believe that you truly thought she was the SK. Outing her, to me, seems like an easy way to get someone killed.

 

[Keen]

Yes Kayla, it was really a test to see if you would blabber to everybody else, which you did.

I came out to you as my role as Townie first, then wanted to see if you would blabber about the SK role.
If I was SK it would serve no purpose to me to claim to anybody since the SK is working by their-selves

I really just sign up for mafia games because I want to be mafia, and ever since the first game, I've yet to be mafia at all, which is one of the only ways I know how to play this game.

 

[Justin]

I'm not sure what I think of the whole supposed fake claim situation yet, but I do want to address this idea of the Serial Killer choosing to work with town. To be blunt, it's ****ing stupid. The win conditions directly conflict each other. But let's say for a second here that the Serial Killer did decide to work with the Town and the Town didn't kill them for some reason. And if they're magically successful, there's no Mafia left. But the game isn't over yet then. Both teams cannot win. There is no possible outcome where both win. And if it does come down to that, if the Serial Killer has been working together with the town and their identity is known, then most likely the Town would end up winning assuming there is a vigilante remaining. So I ask this, why in the world would the Serial Killer out themselves? I would think River would be smart enough to figure that out herself if she was actually Serial Killer.

But River claims that she fake claimed as a test for Kayla to see if she would out herself. This doesn't make any sense though. Why wouldn't Kayla out the Serial Killer? As previously discussed, they cannot win together. If anything, the fact that Kayla did 'out' the Serial Killer could be seen as a good sign.

This post is a bit rushed but food for thought. Looking forward to seeing any responses.