Mafia TBT Mafia V: There and Back Again [Game Over/Town Win]

[Mary]

This isn't a behavioral change. And if it is, it is kind of obvious why she changed. She was mafia her first games; this was the first time she was town. Obviously she would exhibit a different type of behavior.

Actually, in retrospect, I was tired and acted very stupidly. I still regret it to this day.

 

[iLoveYou]

Regardless, I hope the ones who are trying to get me lynched get inspected. I really hope this is Town simply making a mistake on another Town player. I don't think if you guys were Mafia that you would make it this painfully obvious. Although I have a feeling you guys have other players working in PMs with you.

Like I said there are many complications with wanting to inspect me Night One. The whole Town has pretty much yelled that they feel I am suspicious which makes me a prime candidate to get framed if we have Framers in this game. Not to mention FanousOnTheLoose keeps insisting that I get inspected tonight. I feel like I'm almost being set up here.

The Mafia will want to get me lynched rather than hit me at Night simply because it is the easiest way to get me out. Which is why I find it odd that you guys are suddenly going hard against me. It's most likely because you do know my role & one of you have been influenced by a red player, to target me specifically.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Tom I found it rather interesting that you left LaurinaMN & Oath2Order off your Detective / Protection list. They're strong players that get by easily & I feel like they should be added to your already long list before we forget about them.

Like I said, feel free to add or remove names. As a town we ought to work together to work it.

 

[iLoveYou]

Not to mention I would seriously hate it if both Detectives (assuming we had 2) wasted an inspection on me. I'm sure the Detectives did not find eachother yet and if they can't co-ordinate amongst themselves then they should take the risk and inspect others. This does not mean I do not want to be inspected. This means, I do not want the Town to focus on one player & use up all their night actions solely on that one person. That'd be ridiculous.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Like I said, feel free to add or remove names. As a town we ought to work together to work it.

I'm not exactly sure why I'm on there. I mean, if a DT checks me and a Doctor protects me, then I will surely meet the Detective, but I don't think I've done much worth protecting or inspecting. I was also wondering why I was the first name haha

 

[Superpenguin]

I'm not exactly sure why I'm on there. I mean, if a DT checks me and a Doctor protects me, then I will surely meet the Detective, but I don't think I've done much worth protecting or inspecting. I was also wondering why I was the first name haha

I think it's clear to say some names were just put on the list to lengthen it so framers and detectives wouldn't hit the same person.

 

[oath2order]

I don't understand when a behavioral change is evident in someone like Beary, you all have no problem going after her, but when it's in someone like Kayla, God forbid anyone jumps on board.

Well, what I think happens, is that in the case here, nobody wanted to join you against Kayla because they were probably afraid she'd turn it around on them. I could probably argue against her, so could you, but there are some players who definitely couldn't.

If this is true, why am I on the list?

For the bad acting with Beary. I don't know, it's not my list.

Sorry, and who all is following Karla, Blu Rose? If I recall correctly it looked like Karla was convinced on lynching Kayla. How did that turn out? Yeah, didn't happen. I don't really recall too many people following Karla.

Tom I found it rather interesting that you left LaurinaMN & Oath2Order off your Detective / Protection list. They're strong players that get by easily & I feel like they should be added to your already long list before we forget about them.

I actually did mention this to Superpenguin.

[15:00] <oath2order> Huh, okay, so I guess I'm much of a concern for him
[15:00] <Superpenguin> haha, you didn't make it on the list
[15:02] <oath2order> I feel like there's some big player in the game he's missing
[15:02] <oath2order> huh
[15:02] <Superpenguin> Laurina?

 

[iLoveYou]

I'm not exactly sure why I'm on there. I mean, if a DT checks me and a Doctor protects me, then I will surely meet the Detective, but I don't think I've done much worth protecting or inspecting. I was also wondering why I was the first name haha

Heck no.

Detectives definitely need to consider not revealing themselves right away to anyone they inspect. We could potentially have a Godfather in this game. Not only that, but it's clear certain players are working together. Any of their circles can be corrupted and if I ever do get lynched it will prove even more that their circles are infiltrated by a red player.

Otherwise we are dealing with Town players versus Town players, which is sad.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Suggested List of Names for Night Actions:

INSPECT/PROTECT:
Trundle
KarlaKGB
iLoveYou
Jubs
Lauren
SuperPenguin
Hikari
Fireninja1
Beary509
Tina
Tom
Blu Rose
LaurinaMN
oath2order
the rest of the damn player list

KILL:
Lurkers/non-contributors or follow your gut. I'm sure the vigs have a smart mind.

Feel free to add/remove names or completely ignore my list.

better folks? :/

 

[EpicGamer12]

Heck no.

Detectives definitely need to consider not revealing themselves right away to anyone they inspect. We could potentially have a Godfather in this game. Not only that, but it's clear certain players are working together. Any of their circles can be corrupted and if I ever do get lynched it will prove even more that their circles are infiltrated by a red player.

Otherwise we are dealing with Town players versus Town players, which is sad.

So what's the point of the Doctors protecting people that are being inspected if they aren't being kept alive to meet the DT? I may be missing something here, just a bit confused.

 

[iLoveYou]

So what's the point of the Doctors protecting people that are being inspected if they aren't being kept alive to meet the DT? I may be missing something here, just a bit confused.

It's so inspections actually go through and we can work with the results.

It's pretty much hit & miss at this point because the list is so large, but honestly if Detectives inspect dead players, it will be a night wasted. We just have to hope that the Detectives & Doctors make lucky choices tonight on who to inspect / protect.

 

[Blu Rose]

I explained it to a couple of people in the IRC. Basically Blu Rose was the easiest target on Day One after all the posts you two made together.
Would not Beary have been easier?

So I voted for him in hopes that other people would immediately jump on (potential Mafia players - if Blu Rose was not Mafia).
Potential Mafia players. This doesn't immediately mean that they are Mafioso due to the possibility of them voting for me. A 19.3% chance is what this strategy presents in catching Mafia. Same as lynching Mafia, in other words.

All I got was Prin. This is how we caught Kuma (Mafia) in Mini Mafia 2 so I was hoping it would work here too. That was my only intention with the Blu Rose vote. I didn't necessarily think he was Mafia.
We got Kuma theough my easily-gained trust in that game. And, y'know, this kind of hints that at least one of the Mafia is/are a good player, as they obviously have to have a good analytical threat to see that in your post, as your incentive for this happening.

There's a couple of you that seem really anxious to get me out / shift attention onto me whenever you can, with good reason too I guess. Although knowing my alignment, it's definitely raising flags. I hope a couple of you people, in specific, get inspected tonight.
Knowing people, I'm betting that the Detectives are not going to inspect anyone on the list. Why? With good predictability, the Mafia can make the people show up Mafia through any check.

It can't be that you're so certain that I am Mafia this early in the game, and just willing to lynch me away.
Oh, no one is ever sure that anyone is ever Mafia, unless, of course, they admit it themselves (exception in the Jester, not in this game), or they make an obvious mistake. Oh, and, also, if one is Mafia themselves.

At this point it just seems like you are specifically targeting me. I have a feeling it's because you know my role & the easiest way to get it out is through lynching. Double win because it's actually me who has the role this time.

The biggest reason why I am more quiet is because I've done the strong players / inactives so many times. Superpenguin is pretty much right, everyone knows the lists by now. What else can I talk about here? Half of you have only been appearing the thread to post general stuff (dos & don'ts).

It's Day One with no leads. I've been put in the position of having to defend myself and concentrate on that rather than bring forward suspicions. For two reasons: 1) I do not have enough good evidence on them to go hard against them
Nobody has any good, solid evidence against anyone.

& 2) If I brought them up while I was being attacked, then wouldn't that appear like I was trying to get the attention off myself?
Yes, it would look like that, but you still need to get your opinions out...

For the bad acting with Beary. I don't know, it's not my list.

Sorry, and who all is following Karla, Blu Rose? If I recall correctly it looked like Karla was convinced on lynching Kayla. How did that turn out? Yeah, didn't happen. I don't really recall too many people following Karla.
I was more talking about the Dolby thing, as he was the first to bring it up, if I remember correctly.

better folks? :/

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[EpicGamer12]

It's so inspections actually go through and we can work with the results.

It's pretty much hit & miss at this point because the list is so large, but honestly if Detectives inspect dead players, it will be a night wasted. We just have to hope that the Detectives & Doctors make lucky choices tonight on who to inspect / protect.

So is this saying that you or other people are already working with the Detective? Because if not, there's really no strategy there.

 

[iLoveYou]

So is this saying that you or other people are already working with the Detective? Because if not, there's really no strategy there.

Absolutely not. When I say "we" I am referring to Town players in general. No important blue roles have claimed to me. I am not working with any of them.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Absolutely not. When I say "we" I am referring to Town players in general. No important blue roles have claimed to me. I am not working with any of them.

Okay.. While I still don't understand, I'll take your word for it.
Also, did anyone notice earlier how eager beary509 was to change the topic of iLoveYou earlier? It amused me, and it only adds to my suspicion. Hopefully the actions will be sent in soon and Day 2 will hit.

 

[Mary]

better folks? :/

Much.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Guys, back off beary a little, this is simply a repeat of game 2. Attacking her and putting her on tilt isn't going to help pin her role down.

I'm looking at the votelist

Dolby (12)
Kuma
Oath2order
FanousOnTheLoose
KarlaKGB
Minties
Trundle
Tina
Superpenguin
BellBringerGreen
Beary509
Tom
SirGanatar
Justin
Prin

Now, look at this influx of votes in the final hour. I am confident that at least two out of those highlighted players are Mafia. Pretty sure Mafia aren't brave enough to throw in the final vote, or even the second last vote. However, the continuation of votes even after the threshold was reached shows that people simply aren't paying attention to the vote count. I assume we can use votes cast after the threshold as evidence, even if the votes technically didn't count.
With that in mind, we have Blu Rose, You and Jeremy who continued to throw votes in, on a very easy bandwagon to jump on. My list of names to look at are therefore
BellBringerGreen
Beary509
Tom
SirGanatar
Justin
Prin
Blu Rose
You
Jeremy

Yep, it's a big list, but we can trim it a little.
I'm going to remove Justin first, because he's an experienced player and is likely to be tracking the vote counts quite closely and won't want to put the second last nail in Dolby's coffin if he was scum. We also did discuss this before, so the idea to lynch Dolby was always on his mind.

Beary is already on everyone's s***list, she's the easiest frame of Mafia's life. Checking her is a waste.

Most of the people (plus Blu Rose) who voted before the threshold did post reasons (of varying strengths) for their votes, but You and Jeremy didn't explain their votes in the thread, and threw in their vote almost as an afterthought. Both players are new and have not been that invested in the game so far, so we really have no behavioural information to go on there. Keep in mind what I posted above though, regarding an easy wagon to hop on.

Tom posted no reason for his vote, later justifying it with Dolby's lack of defence.

Minor thing to note in Ganatar's lynch reason:

After reading though the last few pages, I think I'm prepared to vote for Dolby as well.

Many will know that I view a half-hearted vote with some suspicion.

Anyway, tl;dr we should focus on that list of people and clear/condemn them asap, through checks, behavioural analysis and even vig shots on some of scummier-looking lurkers. I don't want a near-repeat of Game III where lynn and Horus were both chronically inactive scum and made it into the late game, leaving town with little information to judge them on.

- - - Post Merge - - -

I think it just a tad strange that, in all the previous games Karla has played, he has made a plan of sorts.

In Mini Mafia:

Spoiler: Karla's MM Plan

Note how it is the first post after the Day 1 post.

And we all remember his plan in game III, which happened to be really successful, despite... complications.

Well, don't get me wrong; I'm not accusing Karla. I just think it strange how he doesn't have a plan, despite the previous games...

Well let's objectively compare the setup in this game with the setup of game III. No elected roles, which really matters little. The core principles of not just trusting people remain intact, regardless of whether there's a Mayor or not. In this game, as with game III, there are a lot of disruptive roles. The lesson people should have taken away from game III is not that town needs a plan (there's no way to come up with a foolproof plan in such a setup), it's that town needs to get discussion going around a plan, and derive information from how people contribute and respond to such a plan. It's not the plan itself that is useful, it's the planning stage.

Also yes, I've been wasting my life away on Rust

 

[Ashtot]

I put my vote in after because I wasn't sure if it had ended yet, I assumed it did but I voted anyway...

 

[Jeremy]

If you want to know why I voted, it's because they told me to vote in IRC and acted as if I was holding up the game. So blame Tom.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

If you want to know why I voted, it's because they told me to vote in IRC and acted as if I was holding up the game. So blame Tom.

Hey now, Tinaa and some of the others wanted you to vote as well. The way Gandalf worded it made it sound like voting was mandatory and those who don't get modkilled.