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I'll fill you in via PM just because it's still going on if you want?
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Mafia TBT Mafia XIII: XCOM: Enemy Within (End Game - Town Wins!)
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Nah boo you weren't in Frozen mafia.
I'll fill you in via PM just because it's still going on if you want?
Sure, shoot me a PM bby.
Wow, I come back to 20 pages of chaotic mess.. I'm just going to share my thoughts on a few of the things that were discussed.
First, the Cory thing - I do not agree with holding a players past mistakes in OTHER games against them. However, Cory is normally really arrogant and makes "jokes" when he's scum. The quick votes cast for him triggered a reaction in him that gave me scummy reads on him, so we should keep him under close watch.
As for this statement, I do believe it is false. Dr Vahlen needs to select a target for her Gene Modifications - That is true - But I think that Central just sends someone at random. Feloreena will have to confirm or deny this, though.
Now, Majority has already been reached so there's nothing I can do about that. Personally, I think it was too big of a risk to be worthwhile because we do not know for 100% certainty if there even is a Jailer. (It says in the OP that "Please note that not all of the roles listed here are in the game.") But even if we do have one, the Jailer could still be a newbie who wouldn't get much out of it. And obviously, Majority was hit way too fast. People who bandwagoned on this idea without posting their thoughts in the thread are looking very scummy in my eyes. I will look into it further later in the day when I have more time on my hands.
First, the Cory thing - I do not agree with holding a players past mistakes in OTHER games against them. However, Cory is normally really arrogant and makes "jokes" when he's scum. The quick votes cast for him triggered a reaction in him that gave me scummy reads on him, so we should keep him under close watch.
As for this statement, I do believe it is false. Dr Vahlen needs to select a target for her Gene Modifications - That is true - But I think that Central just sends someone at random. Feloreena will have to confirm or deny this, though.
Now, Majority has already been reached so there's nothing I can do about that. Personally, I think it was too big of a risk to be worthwhile because we do not know for 100% certainty if there even is a Jailer. (It says in the OP that "Please note that not all of the roles listed here are in the game.") But even if we do have one, the Jailer could still be a newbie who wouldn't get much out of it. And obviously, Majority was hit way too fast. People who bandwagoned on this idea without posting their thoughts in the thread are looking very scummy in my eyes. I will look into it further later in the day when I have more time on my hands.
THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR SCUM ON DAY ONE. Anyway, right now I'm in Rome, and was asleep before the roles were handed out, I've just had breakfast and it's about 9 a.m. over here, so I'll probably be active when the rest of you are asleep/falling asleep
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WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED TO THE THREAD
I've barely started looking through the post links in the OP and already I'm shocked by the inactivity and lack of post quality, there is so much that one can not use inactivity as any form of evidence at this time. I looked through the first eight people and six of them I deemed had a large lack of post quality and contribuation
CookingOkasan
C H A T B O T
Again, wasn't calling y'all out, just trying to remind people that everyone hadn't posted just yet. I knew time zones were funky, figured we'd have enough time for everyone to chime in though :'l
Just want to clarify in the thread that when Central chooses to use the recruitment ability, Central does not pick a player. A random XCOM Rookie is selected from the player list, and Central will not be informed of the name of the player. This is to not give Central any unfair advantage of knowing who the Rookies were, since it's obviously a common role for scum to roleclaim as.
If a Doctor protects an undercover agent, their action will not work as the Agent is 'unreachable' whilst in the EXALT HQ.
To FMJ_Amaze - you do not try to get yourself modkilled on purpose. If you don't want to play the game, PM me and I'll replace you. Getting yourself modkilled on purpose is detrimental to any team you are on and unfair to other players. If you didn't understand what is going on, read the OP again or discuss things with me via PM like I have invited anyone who is confused to do.
I also want to say that I will be changing any Day Action roles to not have to send in their action before majority is reached - they can do it afterwards if they want to. Given how fast majority was reached, it wouldn't be fair to enforce this rule when there are players with a variety of different timezones, sleeping patterns, and life schedules.
If a Doctor protects an undercover agent, their action will not work as the Agent is 'unreachable' whilst in the EXALT HQ.
To FMJ_Amaze - you do not try to get yourself modkilled on purpose. If you don't want to play the game, PM me and I'll replace you. Getting yourself modkilled on purpose is detrimental to any team you are on and unfair to other players. If you didn't understand what is going on, read the OP again or discuss things with me via PM like I have invited anyone who is confused to do.
I also want to say that I will be changing any Day Action roles to not have to send in their action before majority is reached - they can do it afterwards if they want to. Given how fast majority was reached, it wouldn't be fair to enforce this rule when there are players with a variety of different timezones, sleeping patterns, and life schedules.
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Now that I'm feeling a little more awake, I've some further comments.
Role claiming is an unnecessary tactic. We don't need to know anyone's roles besides our own. When players start trying to compile role lists they are almost always passed onto the scum team.
This was both stupid and anti-town. Do any of you even realise what Superpenguin and Tom managed to talk you all into? They persuaded you to give up a lynch where all of town could contribute to the discussion for a one-on-one exchange between the jailer and their prisoner. We don't even know if a jailer is definitely in the game. If they are in the game, then how is that one-on-one exchange any more valuable than a lynch with public information where everyone can analyse their answers? If you want to interrogate somebody then just do it. We don't need the jailer to do it on our behalf. They are no more informed than the rest of us because a majority lynch means day ends early. This means we've lost a huge chunk of time that we could have used to get scum talking. The jailer can't even make a well-informed choice on who to jail because there is very little information in the thread for them to go off of yet. At least at the end of a 48-hour day enough conversation has taken place that blues should have a rough idea of how to use their actions. But this fast no lynch only harms us.
I'd have understood this plan if it came from a newbie player, but it came from Superpenguin and was backed-up by Tom. They are both intelligent players who should have known better. I'm not sure what bothers me most about this. The fact that Superpenguin was so quick to bring up this option - or the fact Tom jumped on board with it. My first thought was isn't that scummy of SP? But if SP is town, and Tom is scum, then he would have seen it as something beneficial for his scum team and that would have been his reason for backing it.
On that note, I want to know why each of the following people thought it was a good idea to just jump on board with this plan:
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Add LoveMcQueen to the list of people I'd like to explain their vote.
Role claiming is an unnecessary tactic. We don't need to know anyone's roles besides our own. When players start trying to compile role lists they are almost always passed onto the scum team.
The No Lynch / Jailer Plan
This was both stupid and anti-town. Do any of you even realise what Superpenguin and Tom managed to talk you all into? They persuaded you to give up a lynch where all of town could contribute to the discussion for a one-on-one exchange between the jailer and their prisoner. We don't even know if a jailer is definitely in the game. If they are in the game, then how is that one-on-one exchange any more valuable than a lynch with public information where everyone can analyse their answers? If you want to interrogate somebody then just do it. We don't need the jailer to do it on our behalf. They are no more informed than the rest of us because a majority lynch means day ends early. This means we've lost a huge chunk of time that we could have used to get scum talking. The jailer can't even make a well-informed choice on who to jail because there is very little information in the thread for them to go off of yet. At least at the end of a 48-hour day enough conversation has taken place that blues should have a rough idea of how to use their actions. But this fast no lynch only harms us.
I'd have understood this plan if it came from a newbie player, but it came from Superpenguin and was backed-up by Tom. They are both intelligent players who should have known better. I'm not sure what bothers me most about this. The fact that Superpenguin was so quick to bring up this option - or the fact Tom jumped on board with it. My first thought was isn't that scummy of SP? But if SP is town, and Tom is scum, then he would have seen it as something beneficial for his scum team and that would have been his reason for backing it.
On that note, I want to know why each of the following people thought it was a good idea to just jump on board with this plan:
Feloreena said:
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Add LoveMcQueen to the list of people I'd like to explain their vote.
i do not believe in day 1 lynch in a general sense, as i have mentioned multiple times
it feels pointless to lynch when there is no solid evidence of any kind
that being said, i did not realize the norm here was to stop talking entirely once some kind of majority was reached
the pro-town thing to do would be to attempt to have more productive conversation
it feels pointless to lynch when there is no solid evidence of any kind
that being said, i did not realize the norm here was to stop talking entirely once some kind of majority was reached
the pro-town thing to do would be to attempt to have more productive conversation
Stevey Queen
The Queen of Mimosas
I was at work and when I came back majority had already been reached. The only reason I voted was because isn't it a rule that everyone needs to vote everyday or risk being modkilled? I actually don't really agree with this No Lynch plan but currently I don't know who else to lynch for and there's no point even trying to vote for someone else at this point.
VillageDweller
happy sleepy
i think you're getting me confused with someone else because I never roleclaimed lol
also i wouldn't say I was spamming I was just letting people know why SP/Tom voted for Cory and then I didn't see Tom post the IRC chat first :[
ty for ignoring me
Pre-game to be honest I did think of the No Lynch Day 1 thing for the Jailer but as Tina already said they might not even be in the game and if that's the case well then that's just been a big waste :/
OK well yesterday SP said to me
<Superpenguin> say you're like totes suspic of Tom for bandwagoning
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<Superpenguin> vote for Tom
<Superpenguin> make a astatement
i don't really know why but thinking about it i guess i kind of found it weird that tom and sp seemed to immediately be like a team idk (or more that tom immediately followed what SP did but yeah)
Superpenguin
Penguins! <3
Central should still send someone to EXALT even if it is random. (Tsundere made us all believe it was chosen by Central)
I agree with SuperPigeon - Especially this early on, I think the potential risk is worth the reward. An early Rookie claim is something we all must cast a fair bit of doubt on anyways, and so it's not wise to share an awful lot of information with them. If they are converted to EXALT, we need to make sure they don't know TOO MUCH of what's going on behind the scenes, since that could really screw us over. Otherwise, I think it's a highly worthwhile action this night.
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By the way, I would like to hear more from Blu Rose. I'm not really buying this:
I feel like Blu Rose has done great with some less-than-powerful roles in the past, without complaining, and that they should know better than to think that just because your role doesn't have a special ability that doesn't mean you cannot add a lot of value to the game. It is of course possible that they are a Blue Role trying to make themselves seem like less of a threat, but it's also quite likely that they are scum and that they now intend to keep a low profile to stick under the radar for as much of the game as possible. It seems really shady to me, and unfitting for Blu Rose to play this way.
I agree that people should not roleclaim, especially publicly, but I disagree that the plan itself was a bad idea. This plan is the safest plan, it ensures that we don't mislynch, and the Jailer would potentially be able to do something awesome. The real problem here, is the fact that we ended the day within an hour. The plan was fine, but there was no reason to end the day. It was a stupid decision, and I think a lot of people don't understand why we shouldn't end days quickly, or just thought that we wouldn't reach majority that quickly. Although, I find it odd that some of the people you mentioned voted and didn't unvote before majority was reached.
Sorry, I was confused.
I voted No Lynch largely as a placeholder. I wanted to get a vote in without directly calling out someone random, and I had planned to change it if more information came about in the thread. I didn't realize that majority would be reached so quickly.
CookingOkasan
C H A T B O T
I explained a few posts back. I'm about to head out of town for the better part of the day today and left a note on my vote explaining so.
There was no thought in my mind that Day 1 would end in a few hours after leaving my vote there just in case I couldn't get back before we were ready to make a majority vote.
It was "sort of kinda a placeholder" in that I wouldn't be there and that I think the jailer plan isn't quite as bad as you made it out to be. In my mind we would have had a lot of discussion of who we think the jailer should've picked as a group and then when the time came the jailer could've either went with that person or did their own thing. While Day 1 lynches are usually pretty necessary, it always sucks when a townie is offed on a day 1 lynch... with the jailer theres a chance to chat one on one before deciding to kill (remember, jailer only gets 2 kills) . While it's true that we can all target people by demanding further explanation, but during Day 1, that can easily end in unnecessary bandwagoning and unjust lynches (which in my experience end up being town deaths).
(also it's just nice to let people feel useful and get to use their roles! I know the burden of being vanilla game after game... I'd hate to get jailer only to go unnoticed as a blue the whole game)
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I think it's safe to say, seeing as all of our defenses were "I didn't think majority would be reached so quickly" that we need to collectively agree to be way more careful with our votes and only vote with placeholders if we know for certain that we won't be around.
NikkiNikki
Senior Member
They way you say of how bad of an idea the jailer plan was makes feel a bit bad because I though the plan was a good idea to get a scum killed or more info on someone, but you are right and we should had all waited more. I though more discussion was going to happen before majority was reached. I don't know if there is enough or hardly at all since most of the pages are a bunch of spam and unwanted sassiness. I don't know much about the whole "Tom and Sp teaming" since I never played with tom before, so i don't know much about him.
If you miss a vote for that reason but are still active in the thread I will of course be lenient. It's only if you continually avoid voting that it is an issue. You are still free to vote now, but it will just not change the outcome of the vote (still No Lynch).
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