Whoa. Townie massacre indeed.
Currently, my suspicions are Capella, Kisstoefur and Prin. I know a lot of people are pointing out that Berrypop hasn't posted as much as they usually do, but I've never played with them so I can't compare their current playstyle to that of other games.
Capella is barely posting, which is the same playstyle she adopted as scum when I played a game with her. She's contributed barely anything to the game so far, and I definitely feel like she's hiding.
Kisstoefur hasn't posted much either, and all of his posts except for his most recent one have just been giving excuses for why he hasn't posted yet. It's hard for the majority of players to get a read on people on day 1, so I don't really think that excuse is good enough. I know he's recently posted a case against tsundere, but I'm still suspicious of him.
Prin is mainly just suspicious to me because she hasn't been following through at all.
Prin said:
Expect a post from me in a few minutes. I got out of school early today.
As minties said, this wasn't followed by a post. All Prin has been posting are small posts with no real suspicions/opinions/contributions, just enough to help her slip by. Unless I see a quality post from her soon, I'm going to be pretty skeptical.
Minties, I am at school almost all day and at the end yes, I am online, but my brain is fried. I will be on vacation today-tomorrow, but I've still got hours before I go in the car.
Since Sataric died last night, he probably made a rather large point on one of his thoughts on one of the scum members. Seeing him as too much as a threat, they killed him N1. I know he suspeced me, and I can understand that, seeing as I wasn't as active as usual. I will check back out his post and narrow down my suspect list. Of course, I'll take looks at the other now deceased Townies.
I typed this all on my tablet so forgive any spelling mistakes.
That was a blood bath, yeah Sataric PM'd me with a few suspicions yesterday when he was trying to smooth things over.
He was one of my suspicions if I'm honest, with how he was behaving with Ryan and trying to force him for a mentor/coach! So that route was a bust.
RIP guys ok, time for the work, we need to nail mafia!
Lol ok I lie it was one, but I was tired, we both agree'd Dolby hasn't done much and hasn't said much but is pointing fingers without just cause.
Dolby is a good candidate. I'm also looking at Capella and MissNiamh.
Capella is always quiet as scum, lurking, but never posting. This is actually quite hypocritical of me, but she really sticks out to me. She always plays almost exactly the same as town or scum, so it's extremely hard to tell. I hate losing town, so I wouldn't blindly lynch her. But she is the candidate I would like to lynch.
MissNiamh... I really don't know. She just sticks out as sus to me. It seems like some of the things she said was just pulled out of nowhere. Then again, that's what almost every suspicion is. I'd like to investigate her posts in this game/previous games. I don't think she would be a totally safe candidate, but it is a thought.
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MissNiamh said she would be gone, so I have to wait to suggest her. It's just a thought, again.
Well because of the no lynch, we have nothing to go off of but these kills. Tom, Ashtot, and Sataric. Any correlation between these three? They are all male, does that mean anything? lol
Okay, so Tina's name was mentioned earlier, and I also really think she's been acting particularly scummy. I also don't believe lynching people like Capella or MissNiamh are the way to go. I think we should go after Tina.
Okay, like this is really scummy, because you are withholding information from the rest of us and now it is almost halfway through the Day and you still don't tell us anything. Not to mention mafia probably should've killed you after this post to make sure any information you have doesn't enter the thread, don't you think?
Day 1: starts at 3pm my time. I was drinking with my folks from 6pm onwards and went to bed at 1am. I didn't wake up until 11am, and day ended at 6am my time.
Game started 3pm. I started drinking around 6pm celebrating the fact my Dad's just come home after several months away without even the luxury of a telephone to contact him. It's now after 1am. It's highly unlikely I will wake-up before day ends at 6am.
I'm voting myself as placeholder because I don't know who to go for. I'm just going to say now that I'm against a no lynch. How the Day 1 lynch is handed, how people vote, and people's reasoning for voting provides evidence for later even if we mislynch. If the result is a no lynch, I'm hoping there is more lengthy discussion about it beforehand - and I'm sorry I can't be a part of that but I'm not going to come online early unless I naturally wake-up early.
The rest of her posts are either complaining about not being able to be on when Day ends, when that's not really much of an issue assuming she contributes during the Day. She seems to think that if you aren't involved in the last hour discussions, then there's no point in discussing anything at all which is just scummy imo. Especially since she is a big advocate for discussion and she never really did anything for discussion in the game yet? Suggesting an idea without putting forth effort is what she's doing.
Basically go for Tina.
Also, with Dolby, I stole his mask. It was the Mask of Scents. While that could still mean a simple mafia goon, I am more inclined to think it was just a townie for now.
Also, if anyone stole a mask that has a shooting ability, you should out who you stole it from, because that person most likely is scum and killed someone last night, and we should lynch them.
Well because of the no lynch, we have nothing to go off of but these kills. Tom, Ashtot, and Sataric. Any correlation between these three? They are all male, does that mean anything? lol
anyway im more in favor of lynching berrypop with her dramatic change. i too have been somewhat suspicious of tina too tho so im up for lynching her too. ill post more when i get on a computer
Okay, like this is really scummy, because you are withholding information from the rest of us and now it is almost halfway through the Day and you still don't tell us anything. Not to mention mafia probably should've killed you after this post to make sure any information you have doesn't enter the thread, don't you think?
Telling people "watch these players", especially when their names haven't come up yet, has an influence on the game. I did this in a previous game and immediately oath2order PM'd me pointing out how idiotic that was. And he was right: scum will use that information and manipulate it. It makes people behave differently. I wanted to see how they continued to act without my intervention - especially as one of the people I'm compiling evidence on appears to be involved in a PM circle.
Superpenguin said:
The rest of her posts are either complaining about not being able to be on when Day ends, when that's not really much of an issue assuming she contributes during the Day. She seems to think that if you aren't involved in the last hour discussions, then there's no point in discussing anything at all which is just scummy imo. Especially since she is a big advocate for discussion and she never really did anything for discussion in the game yet? Suggesting an idea without putting forth effort is what she's doing.
Superpenguin is coming off rather aggressive right now, which is an odd change form his attitude during the previous day. He was a strong supporter of the infamous no lynch, which I still think only hurt us, as Tom and I discussed with him in IRC that day.
Superpenguin is coming off rather aggressive right now, which is an odd change form his attitude during the previous day. He was a strong supporter of the infamous no lynch, which I still think only hurt us, as Tom and I discussed with him in IRC that day.
I just wanted a No Lynch Day One, and obviously like twelve other people thought the same. Obviously we shouldn't continue no lynching, but if someone has received a kill or roleblock mask through stealing they need to tell us who they stole it from so we can lynch that person as they are most likely scum.
Other than that, I support lynching Tina or Sid2125 (Because back on the tsundere thing, he was the only one really supporting it when it was pretty clear the case held no weight)
What happened to Alise and VillageDweller? Seems like they disappeared. o:
I attempted to look through Ashtot's and Tom's posts to see if I could find anything to help (even though I'm really not good at doing that kind of stuff but I try so) and like, I couldn't find anything. Tom had barely any posts (that's ironic) and Ashtot's seemed like they were all just... Arguing.
Okay so anyways, I was in contact Sataric heavily this game. The only info I can find from all them is that he was sus of Capella and Ashtot. We know what Ashtot is now (tbh I found him scummy :<) and there's Capella. Everyone seems to be thinking Capella is quiet as scum and isn't as town, but I disagree with that. I looked through and compared some of the past games they were in and most of their post counts were similar as town and mafia. (Usually around the 25-35 range). However, Capella has been extremely quiet this game, like more than usual so idk about them but meh. Can you post more? And where are you?
Jeremy is another player that's been slipping by me atleast. Like seriously, I've been forgetting him and Prin are playing.
Also, if anyone stole a mask that has a shooting ability, you should out who you stole it from, because that person most likely is scum and killed someone last night, and we should lynch them.
How would a player having a mask with the ability to kill make them scum automatically? weren't the masks like, Idk, randomly distributed to all the players?
This is why I'm kind of with Elise. Cap does this all the time. She waits until she has to respond, and when she does her defenses are usually one-liners. Almost all of her posts are.
Pretty slow conversation on night 1, it seems. The only thing that really happened was Ashtot and Superpenguin confused half the players, and then there's the silly infighting over who made a joke and about what.
Alice has only produced short posts, with 3/5 of them gently pushing the easy lynch. What I mean by that, is it comes across that she's onboard with the idea and is trying to convince people it's a good idea, but at the same doesn't want to produce something substantial enough to call her into question later if Capella is to flip town. What she's criticising Capella of doing is exactly what she herself is doing this game.
The summary post: unessential. Just seems to be a way of trying to show her face.
tsundere
tsundere said:
oh i skimmed my role pm oops. i read the stuff about roleblocks and protections cuz they were at the bottom and sht. boo i wanted to steal it. pls make me a lover <333
Dolby's played a huge number of games. Being helpful in one game doesn't beat the amount of times he's slipped by as scum. He seems like an odd choice of player to defend.
tsundere said:
I find Berrypop and Prin to be acting odd, mostly because they're a lot more quieter than usual. Especially Berrypop.
Something that always makes me wary is when people work very closely with their friends. tsundere appears to be doing just that. That's an easy in to the inner circle for mafia. They're outwardly cosying up to their friends, as if trying to secure trust:
Epona is trying her best and even questioning some people, so I think she's town in my eyes. (ex she disagreed with Ash about lynching inactives day 1). I think as scum she would be way too nervous to even go against Ash, so yeah.
Nick/Superpenguin already got some attention for himself so I believe he's innocent. He's usually quiet as hell as scum (Portal) but it might be too easy for me to call. That and I couldn't lynch my own friend! /sarcasm
I used this as a tactic in MM3: I got my friends on my side. When people targeted them, I fought to defend them and emphasised in the thread how much I thought they were town to make them trust me. Friendships are an easy in, and from what has been said - it sounds like tsundere is working close with friends and they even admit they were working with Sataric and that they knew Dad's mask/hat. I find it peculiar that Sataric died and Dad lost his postman's hat. Also, just something I want to state now: if it's not tsundere, I strongly believe that at least one person in her circle is scum.
Finally, I feel like Sataric's death plays a role in this:
Sataric said:
Tsundere claims openly to have a useless mask without any real reason or tactical advantage (provided that she spoke the truth), which seems like a massive blunder in my eyes since those masks are exactly what you would want Mafia to steal since it would not give them any additional powers.
Sataric makes an effort of using PMs to interrogate, not only to coordinate. Working so closely with you Day/Night 1, I would assume his mind was on the former.
tsundere said:
anyway im more in favor of lynching berrypop with her dramatic change. i too have been somewhat suspicious of tina too tho so im up for lynching her too. ill post more when i get on a computer
Still targeting the easy lynches again today I see.
Dolby
Less serious, but a player I always have my eye on, Dolby. His posts have only been about the game set-up, not about the gameplay. I know he's often inactive, but so far he has done... literally nothing. Without explanation either.
Actually, no. Main reason I asked is that there are 23 players, and 24 potential masks, each player gets one, minus clockmakers, equals possibly no duplicates
I will collect my thoughts in the morning, but considering my sleep deprived state, I'm going to vote no lynch and go to bed (I swear I will contribute tomorrow morning)
typing quickly but lol why are people trying to use what I said about the couple's mask against me? sorry i make mistakes sometimes. honestly thats a very weak argument to use against me, and as nick said Sid jumped on it pretty quick even tho the case wasn't that much.
idk, im drained out from games so i have been kinda going after easy targets, i admit that. however that doesnt mean i didnt suspect you and ashtot, who are far from being easy targets. heck i was going to push a lynch on ash if he hadn't had died.
and uhh i had nothing to do with dad's hat. he told me his hat couldn't be stolen (he was lying to me so i wouldnt try to) and i didnt bother to check my role pm about the postmans hat so i believed him.. lol. im very gullible so yeah. that and i havent been doing that great the past few days but ill promise to be more careful from now on.
and sat wanted to talk to me about majoras mask first. originally I PMd him (after I died in olympus mafia) asking him why he killed me. He said he couldn't answer and changed the topic to this game, asked me a favor. That was it honestly. We didn't talk much. I don't think he was trying to question me.
i talk to my friends like that always in mafia. i do it to tom, harry, and elise. heck i do it to dad even though i know he doesn't 100% trust me. thats literally who i am. only game where i wasn't making cozy comments was cell mafia, where i was scum. frozen as well tbh. im pretty serious when im scum soo. i would've seriously made sure to not make those mistakes I did earlier if i was mafia. i try to act the most protown i can as scum. this game? well i have to say im in a bad spot due to dad's hat being stolen. but if i was scum and wanted his hat i wouldve killed him at least. nick didnt know that i knew about his hat either.
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what i meant by going after easy targets is that theyre easier read than stronger players. Tom is one example. Sataric is too. It would harder to make a case and get a lynch going. that and the people who i happen to suspect are newbies I guess. ill try and post a case later but yea
idk, im drained out from games so i have been kinda going after easy targets, i admit that. however that doesnt mean i didnt suspect you and ashtot, who are far from being easy targets. heck i was going to push a lynch on ash if he hadn't had died.
Actually, I'd consider myself a pretty easy target for today. With a few others already concerned, I'm sure my name is one scum would love to jump on. Ashtot too actually - as anyone working with Sataric would know he was suspicious of him. He told me this directly. It seems to me you're willing to bounce on names that would benefit scum to get rid of - but only if someone else already supports lynching them.
and sat wanted to talk to me about majoras mask first. originally I PMd him (after I died in olympus mafia) asking him why he killed me. He said he couldn't answer and changed the topic to this game, asked me a favor. That was it honestly. We didn't talk much. I don't think he was trying to question me.
It's not wise at all. If you're really town, I'd say you're being pretty careless being so trusting - especially doing so outwardly in the thread. What if one of them were to flip scum? I think only someone who was certain of the other's alignments would publicly tie themselves so carelessly to other players.
Well of course you wouldn't have told Superpenguin you knew of Dad's hat. That'd turn attention on you today when it went walkies.
But um I suspected Ash before Sataric even made a post against him. Heck Nick even told me to not be scared to push a lynch on him. I talked to Harry and Tom about how odd it was for Ash to out masks like that.
Idk we didn't really talk about the game, all he wanted me to do was steal Capella's mask so a vig could shoot her? idk. That was it. We didn't about much other than that. Really confused to why he would ask someone he thought was mafia to grab someone's mask..makes no sense.
And I don't tell them everything. I only talk about what they know that I know. I meant that I talk in a cozy way like I did in the thread to everyone. I don't tell then everything I know because I know it's very possible I could be trusting mafia. And you say I'm going after easy targets, when I consider myself as one right now. I look VERY suspicious because of the whole Dad thing. People quickly jumped on me for making a mistake that has no value. So what if I forgot the couple's mask couldn't be stolen? How does that tell my alignment? There's literally no logic to that case and Nick simply said that to see who would jump on a lynch for me because of that. You and Kiss both suspect me - and I honestly think you're both scum working together for a lynch on me to save yourselves. I have to go for now but yeah, will respond later.
What happened to Alise and VillageDweller? Seems like they disappeared. o:
How would a player having a mask with the ability to kill make them scum automatically? weren't the masks like, Idk, randomly distributed to all the players?
hi i'm here i just have a load of homework i need to do lol rip me
And yeah, I'm pretty sure they were all destributed randomly imo. Like, mafia already has KP.. it would be kind of OP if they already all started with kill + roleblock masks on top of that so I think they're just random.
I've been talking a bit in PMs with mainly tsundere, then Superpenguin and alise. (in order of how much we talk) if you want to know where I've been
BerryPop - Capella having the deku mask doesn't mean anything about alignment. JS.
(ok i just saw sid posted this too LMAO)
To be honest (oddly) I agree with the suspicions on Tina and Alice so far (despite Alice's case coming from Tina haha )
For Alice, she just seems too quiet. People are calling me quiet but I think I've still made enough posts so far :B Tina summed it up perfectly about her, by not calling out far enough just in case Capella does flip town because she knows she'll be called out on it if it happens.
Tina I just have a gut feeling on, not really much evidence so I can't exactly offer anything about that.
Despite the suspicions on tsundere so far (and their posts) I'm just not feeling it so far. I've previously said how they thought I could be clockmakers and we've discussed how we could have pretended this to find out the actual aligment of the other player, and in amongst that they claimed town to me and told me their masks quickly enough that I truly believe they are town.
Plus, if they're mafia, I've threatened them so they'll feel bad
Today I'd probably mostly be up for an Alice lynch. However Natty has stated that Jeremy and Prin are slipping by (Prin moreso imo) so we should also keep them up in the air. Honestly so far quite a number of people have been suspecting Prin and imo they haven't provided an adequate enough defense for me but yeah.
Sataric also PM'd me like once yesterday just telling me to not really give away the nights I can steal masks on, and I replied but never got a reply back and now he's dead so that's not great.
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oh and before i get "you think tina is scum but you agree with her?????????????????" yes it's just a gut feeling about Tina, I could easily be wrong lol. I do agree with her about Alice though :>
It was day 1, we didn't have anything substantial anyway. Calling out someone for pushing for an easy lynch on day 1 is silly. All lynch's at the start of the game are either over usefulness to town or behavior in past games. And yes, you were doing basically the same thing, and you're doing the same thing again. Sure my posts have been relatively short and a bit lacking, but at least they pertain to the game itself, so you can't exactly say it's the same thing.
But um I suspected Ash before Sataric even made a post against him. Heck Nick even told me to not be scared to push a lynch on him. I talked to Harry and Tom about how odd it was for Ash to out masks like that.
Someone who appears to be very much trusted and is working with multiple people privately is not an easy target. You've got people who are going to back you up because you've spent three days building up a bond with them.
tsundere said:
I look VERY suspicious because of the whole Dad thing. People quickly jumped on me for making a mistake that has no value. So what if I forgot the couple's mask couldn't be stolen? How does that tell my alignment? There's literally no logic to that case and Nick simply said that to see who would jump on a lynch for me because of that.
My suspicions on you existed before the Dad incident - I was just waiting for more evidence before bringing it forward. You are the player I was keeping quiet about because of involvement in a PM circle.
I think you're confusing my quoting of that message as me using it as evidence against you. I wasn't. I said that it felt off. I never said, "you're scum because of this". Gut reaction and that is all. And of course you'd mention Superpenguin again - this constant reference to the people you're working with isn't swaying me. You're simply trying to appeal to them.
tsundere said:
You and Kiss both suspect me - and I honestly think you're both scum working together for a lynch on me to save yourselves. I have to go for now but yeah, will respond later.
ok, time for the work, we need to nail mafia!
