Mafia TBT Mafia XV: The Siren's Call (Game Over/Mafia & Third Party Win!)

[Trent the Paladin]

I agree with this, but I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being so we don't spend kills on them until we have to. At least if they are the mafia team, we are (in theory) safe waiting a bit since we only need one to find out who most or all of the team is. If they are mafia, I imagine it went down something like this: Natty decided to make the claim, but it was flawed. So then the other two scummates claimed to save her from looking suspicious. We'd have to believe that Natty was capable of making a mistake like that and dragging two scummates down with her, but I find that hard to believe.

That seems entirely plausible given the amount of time it took for Natty to reveal everything on account of "they didn't want to be modkilled". And I suppose stealing a diamond after death makes some sense, thieves are a bit short on the honor department.

 

[Cory]

What happens when you collect all the diamonds? Do you leave the game?

That was not specified in the role pm. But I am going to have to say no since there are 3 of us. In other games like POI mafia they left but that was because it was only 1 person.

 

[KarlaKGB]

This claim is insane. I wanted to see their reactions to my plan. If Trundle and Natty acted like they didn't care if Cory would be shot, I would've been satisfied that they were thieves. Now they're trying to protect each other with the revelation that they're actually all on the same team. What a coincidence. I don't understand why the thieves, who supposedly pose no threat to town or scum, nor have any conflicting objectives, would have to lie and change their stories several times.

One of you needs to be shot.

 

[Cory]

This claim is insane. I wanted to see their reactions to my plan. If Trundle and Natty acted like they didn't care if Cory would be shot, I would've been satisfied that they were thieves. Now they're trying to protect each other with the revelation that they're actually all on the same team. What a coincidence. I don't understand why the thieves, who supposedly pose no threat to town or scum, nor have any conflicting objectives, would have to lie and change their stories several times.

One of you needs to be shot.

You think it is insane because you always host normal games and do not play in games that have roles like these. The reason you think it is insane is because this is the first time you have seen something like this.

 

[KarlaKGB]

You think it is insane because you always host normal games and do not play in games that have roles like these. The reason you think it is insane is because this is the first time you have seen something like this.

Yes all the games I have hosted have been generic boring setups, and I have never innovated anything on tbt mafia.

ok.

 

[Cory]

Yes all the games I have hosted have been generic boring setups, and I have never innovated anything on tbt mafia.

ok.

Not sure if this is sarcasm. And I meant that in comparison to other hosts, you are more traditional in your roles. For example, Feloreena had unique roles, so did Justin.

 

[Sataric]

Another thing, all three of us have been lying to you all, since Superpenguin did the competition between certain players last game, Tina have made the three thieves, Me, Natty and Trundle work together to obtain seven diamonds instead of competing to get the most diamonds. We thought that lying and saying that we were competing would make people believe our claims more since it happened last game. But Satartic brought up good points and I can't hide the fact that the three thieves are working together. We did not lie about our rolenames and abilities. If you still don't believe us. Then shoot me as I am the weakest out of the three and I am sure Natty and Trundle would help you guys out more than I would.

Yes, we have our own Quicktopic. Each day we discuss to each other who we find suspicious and once night starts we continue going down through the playerlist, stealing from people. There really isn't much of a competition, only to get them all before the game ends. I feel like it's possible that there are other roles than know something about diamonds though, but who knows.

I figured there was something more to it than you guys led us to believe, and I still don't think you're telling us the full and complete truth. Has there ever been a full third-party team before where they only had to sit back, look for some items, and then pay no mind to the rest of the game? I cannot recall such a thing. There's a missing piece of the puzzle, at least..

My guess is that once you have all the diamonds, you win the game, and everyone else loses and just friggin' dies or something. I just don't see you three being removed from the game "as winners" and then the game simply carries on as if you didn't partake in it. Something isn't right. Maybe you unlock evil powers once you have the diamonds, and can then turn that power against us all? Or maybe you are the Mafia team and you simply decided to go for a really clever-but-risky tactic with your claims, but it eventually caught up with you.

In any case, now that you have admitted to lying to us the entire game, it would be incredibly foolish to suddenly trust you. I would strongly encourage a Vig to shoot one of the three, or maybe even to lynch one of them tomorrow if necessary, just so we can see their role PM and win condition revealed, and to find out if they are truly third party or just plain old Mafia scum. Then we'll know if we need to worry about the other two or not.

Also, since Cory suggest that he should be the one out of their three to die, I strongly suggest that the Vig goes for one of the other two - Maybe Cory is a Mafia Veteran or something like that, and he just wants to delay us. I don't feel it would be wise to listen to the suggestion of a person that just admitted to being a liar. That's just my opinion.

 

[Jeremy]

I'm beginning to be persuaded. Besides, like I said in the last game, I'm sick of third party roles acting like all they have to do is claim and then they're safe for the rest of the game. If I were a vig, I wouldn't shoot them, but I don't know if I'll continue defending them.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Not sure if this is sarcasm. And I meant that in comparison to other hosts, you are more traditional in your roles. For example, Feloreena had unique roles, so did Justin.

Pleasure Cruise Mini Mafia

My guess is that once you have all the diamonds, you win the game, and everyone else loses and just friggin' dies or something. I just don't see you three being removed from the game "as winners" and then the game simply carries on as if you didn't partake in it. Something isn't right. Maybe you unlock evil powers once you have the diamonds, and can then turn that power against us all? Or maybe you are the Mafia team and you simply decided to go for a really clever-but-risky tactic with your claims, but it eventually caught up with you.

This is good. I wouldn't be surprised at all if their win condition conflicts with town/scum, and they're sneakily trying to bluff their way through. Otherwise, as I've said before, what is the point. All the more reason to shoot one of them and find out.

 

[Cory]

I figured there was something more to it than you guys led us to believe, and I still don't think you're telling us the full and complete truth. Has there ever been a full third-party team before where they only had to sit back, look for some items, and then pay no mind to the rest of the game? I cannot recall such a thing. There's a missing piece of the puzzle, at least..

My guess is that once you have all the diamonds, you win the game, and everyone else loses and just friggin' dies or something. I just don't see you three being removed from the game "as winners" and then the game simply carries on as if you didn't partake in it. Something isn't right. Maybe you unlock evil powers once you have the diamonds, and can then turn that power against us all? Or maybe you are the Mafia team and you simply decided to go for a really clever-but-risky tactic with your claims, but it eventually caught up with you.

In any case, now that you have admitted to lying to us the entire game, it would be incredibly foolish to suddenly trust you. I would strongly encourage a Vig to shoot one of the three, or maybe even to lynch one of them tomorrow if necessary, just so we can see their role PM and win condition revealed, and to find out if they are truly third party or just plain old Mafia scum. Then we'll know if we need to worry about the other two or not.

Also, since Cory suggest that he should be the one out of their three to die, I strongly suggest that the Vig goes for one of the other two - Maybe Cory is a Mafia Veteran or something like that, and he just wants to delay us. I don't feel it would be wise to listen to the suggestion of a person that just admitted to being a liar. That's just my opinion.

Because if we admitted that we were a team, then you guys would think we were scum hence why we claimed we were competing. This is a new role to TBT mafia. No one was like this when Tom claimed Psychic. Also, you all say that you can immediately detect when Trundle is scum. None of you think he is scum! Lying is an key element of mafia and you are accusing us of lying. I am sure you have been lying out of your ass this game to, so has everyone else probably. And the game continues if we win. When Fel was lyncher in POI mafia did the game end? No, it kept going on. So you are saying shoot one of us tonight and no matter what they flip lynch another tomorrow. Is town trying to lose?

 

[KarlaKGB]

Because if we admitted that we were a team, then you guys would think we were scum hence why we claimed we were competing. This is a new role to TBT mafia. No one was like this when Tom claimed Psychic. Also, you all say that you can immediately detect when Trundle is scum. None of you think he is scum! Lying is an key element of mafia and you are accusing us of lying. I am sure you have been lying out of your ass this game to, so has everyone else probably. And the game continues if we win. When Fel was lyncher in POI mafia did the game end? No, it kept going on. So you are saying shoot one of us tonight and no matter what they flip lynch another tomorrow. Is town trying to lose?

Doesn't matter, Sataric raised a good point that you may be lying about your win condition. In fact, if you really are thieves, I'm sure scum would be pretty curious to know if you're being truthful about your win condition. It's completely in their interests to shoot you and make sure, because it still brings them one step closer to their win condition.

 

[Jeremy]

I mean the whole idea of these roles doesn't completely shock me. I was whining about the squids after the last Mini, but Tina seemed fine with them. So it's entirely probable that she doesn't have a problem with these types of third party roles (completely separate win conditions that have no impact on other players). Like Sataric pointed out, though, they could actually affect us for all we know.

 

[Cory]

Also, you are all following Karla like she is the pope and you are Catholic people. Screw whatever opinion you have we just have to follow Karla's lead and we will win!
If he's scum you are screwed.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Also, you are all following Karla like she is the pope and you are Catholic people. Screw whatever opinion you have we just have to follow Karla's lead and we will win!
If he's scum you are screwed.

I always set out my reasoning clearly so that anyone else can follow it and come to the same conclusion.

 

[Sataric]

Because if we admitted that we were a team, then you guys would think we were scum hence why we claimed we were competing. This is a new role to TBT mafia. No one was like this when Tom claimed Psychic. Also, you all say that you can immediately detect when Trundle is scum. None of you think he is scum! Lying is an key element of mafia and you are accusing us of lying. I am sure you have been lying out of your ass this game to, so has everyone else probably. And the game continues if we win. When Fel was lyncher in POI mafia did the game end? No, it kept going on. So you are saying shoot one of us tonight and no matter what they flip lynch another tomorrow. Is town trying to lose?

No, no, no, no. If a Vig shoots one (preferably not you, for reasons stated above) and your role PM is revealed in full, and you aren't a risk to town, we definitely should NOT lynch one of the remaining two afterwards. That would be a serious mistake, unless you either flip red or you're an equally big threat as the Mafia. I'd rather not waste a lynch on either one of you three if it can be avoided, because we need to use the day phases to discuss things as much as possible, but that's entirely up to the Vig at this point.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Because if we admitted that we were a team, then you guys would think we were scum hence why we claimed we were competing. This is a new role to TBT mafia. No one was like this when Tom claimed Psychic. Also, you all say that you can immediately detect when Trundle is scum. None of you think he is scum! Lying is an key element of mafia and you are accusing us of lying. I am sure you have been lying out of your ass this game to, so has everyone else probably. And the game continues if we win. When Fel was lyncher in POI mafia did the game end? No, it kept going on. So you are saying shoot one of us tonight and no matter what they flip lynch another tomorrow. Is town trying to lose?

No one was like this because I claimed to be a one man team, a tradition survivor role with some special abilities. Also, I doubt the majority of players would even figure out if Trundle is scum as town doesn't even try any more. It's like the majority of you got stupid from playing IRC mafia 24/7 or got complacent on some win streak. When we've reached the point in the game when we ought to be lynching the strong players but town only wants to drink the wine and go for inactives/idiots, town deserves whatever lose it gets. Think about it, town should have lost Clock Mafia if Mafia didn't piss Minties off and they didn't get cocky.

I mean the whole idea of these roles doesn't completely shock me. I was whining about the squids after the last Mini, but Tina seemed fine with them. So it's entirely probable that she doesn't have a problem with these types of third party roles (completely separate win conditions that have no impact on other players). Like Sataric pointed out, though, they could actually affect us for all we know.

The only problem I have with this three man team in this game is that we could have gotten a few more potential power roles that are definitely town aligned. It was one thing in Bird Mafia where it was only one mafioso until they suicided, but this game has five mafia members.

Also, you are all following Karla like she is the pope and you are Catholic people. Screw whatever opinion you have we just have to follow Karla's lead and we will win!
If he's scum you are screwed.

Town is undoubtably screwed, but with the death of one of you, the PMs will be revealed giving us all the necessary information we need.

 

[Geoni]

Again, the vig is going to do what the vig is going to do, if there is one. However, I don't have the time to make any bit of a complicated post here due to classes and stuff I've got to get done today. After an hour and a half I have to go and won't be back until the start of day three. So, if for some reason I don't survive the night, I just want to say that the people who need to be looked at with scrutiny are Dolby, alise (don't buy your post trying to figure out town at all), Lauren (just rants at people for bringing up she's inactive for her legit reasons - did make one productive post though), Ashtot, Alice, Tom (could be playing up the 'I'm annoyed and want to quit mafia tbt' rant to seem very pro-town), JellofishXD (truly slipping under the radar although they did bring up rl excuses), and Karen (I saw her as pretty pro town but she deserves re-evaluation, something irks me about her, especially her vote on Cariad). Scum is hiding somewhere in here if the thieves turn out to be true. I know that's like half the player list but w/e.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I figured there was something more to it than you guys led us to believe, and I still don't think you're telling us the full and complete truth. Has there ever been a full third-party team before where they only had to sit back, look for some items, and then pay no mind to the rest of the game? I cannot recall such a thing. There's a missing piece of the puzzle, at least..

My guess is that once you have all the diamonds, you win the game, and everyone else loses and just friggin' dies or something. I just don't see you three being removed from the game "as winners" and then the game simply carries on as if you didn't partake in it. Something isn't right. Maybe you unlock evil powers once you have the diamonds, and can then turn that power against us all? Or maybe you are the Mafia team and you simply decided to go for a really clever-but-risky tactic with your claims, but it eventually caught up with you.

In any case, now that you have admitted to lying to us the entire game, it would be incredibly foolish to suddenly trust you. I would strongly encourage a Vig to shoot one of the three, or maybe even to lynch one of them tomorrow if necessary, just so we can see their role PM and win condition revealed, and to find out if they are truly third party or just plain old Mafia scum. Then we'll know if we need to worry about the other two or not.

Also, since Cory suggest that he should be the one out of their three to die, I strongly suggest that the Vig goes for one of the other two - Maybe Cory is a Mafia Veteran or something like that, and he just wants to delay us. I don't feel it would be wise to listen to the suggestion of a person that just admitted to being a liar. That's just my opinion.

No, because as I said we count towards town's numbers. From my knowledge after PMing Tinaa, we leave the game after collecting the diamonds. If we don't collect the diamonds but town wins, we still don't win, but we count towards your numbers. We are not against you, we are helping you the best we can. We easily COULD have sat back all game, but we didn't.

 

[KarlaKGB]

No, because as I said we count towards town's numbers. From my knowledge after PMing Tinaa, we leave the game after collecting the diamonds. If we don't collect the diamonds but town wins, we still don't win, but we count towards your numbers. We are not against you, we are helping you the best we can. We easily COULD have sat back all game, but we didn't.

So you chose not to share this information with Cory, because he said he didn't know what happened when you win.

Also do you realise that you winning hurts us?

 

[EpicGamer12]

So you chose not to share this information with Cory, because he said he didn't know what happened when you win.

Also do you realise that you winning hurts us?

Us winning only hurts you because it puts us out of the game. If you start killing off our team, we aren't going to help you any more.