Tom or alise asked him.
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Mafia TBT Mafia XV: The Siren's Call (Game Over/Mafia & Third Party Win!)
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Tom or alise asked him.
Oops missed it. Well I wonder why they're asking him
To find out if his action went through or if anything happened probably.
The sad moment when more discussion seems to be taking place in nub mafia than here.
I see the reasoning behind it, but I want to hear what Ryan has to say.
Alise what are your current suspicions?
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Oh nvm read your earlier post
Lynching an inactive at this point in the game gives us nothing at all Karen, lynching a strong player and seeing them flip red gives us more to analyze.
This. And because I'm curious.
Yeah well the fact that we haven't hit scum so far means that we're doing something wrong. Hypothetical scum team jello, Cariad, yui, Dolby, Alice/alise gg
But yes I understand what you're getting at. There's the thief problem too.
Btw Tom, are you going to reveal the Kallie thing or waiting for Sataric to say it?
This is really suspicious to me, first, apparently you block Tom, then Karen says that they think power roles can't perform an action on the same person two days in a row, and then you change your apparent block to Cariad. What the hell! You should be remembering who you blocked if you actually are a town roleblocker, and Cariad claimed blue! If you are town, all you're doing is preventing their actions. Also, since day one, everyone knew that you were a town roleblocker, yet, you have not died or have claimed to be roleblocked. That is extremely suspicious
I want to see whether or not Sataric will come clean about it first.
Dads death is not confusing. He was one of town's best. I think he had thought some things which were true, so I suggest reading through his posts and seeing who could be scum as a possibility.
I don't really know how to respond to the rest. I don't want to be making excuses.
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Oh, I got a PM from Tina. I was roleblocked.
I went to bed very early last night (still sick) and I have just caught up with everything that took place in the thread. A lot of things has happened, and there's definitely been new concerns brought to the table, which I will list below.
Dad's death implies to me that he was on the right track with his suspicions. He was one of the top contributors in the thread and more or less everyone had gotten strong town reads on him. He did say a thing or two that seemed a bit shady, and the fact that he missed that the Thieves has claimed to be on the same team first threw people off for a second or two. But he was leading his crusade against Dolby (who has now claimed Vet) and Alise just before he died, and he had listed a bunch of other players he found suspect. Ironically, these are the people that are now playing the game more intensely all of a sudden, making cases left and right, and leading the conversations in their own chosen directions. Coincidence? Very unlikely.
As for the Kallie thing, if Tom think he has figured it out yet wants to reveal it in the thread for all to see, then he has not figured it out at all or he's scum. Because there's no reason for him to want to share that information with everyone if he was town. I'll spill it all out if absolutely necessary to avoid getting myself into trouble, but it will only hurt us.
Also this whole "We should have a vig kill a strong player" thing that Tom keeps repeating is very very risky. If we get it wrong, we could be screwing ourselves over majorly. If that is how you truly feel, why don't you volunteer to get shot? You are one of the strongest players left in the game, and one of the most scummy too.
The fact that all three of the thieves are still alive and kicking, and we still don't know anything more about them, is very worrying. If they are the Mafia team, they will surely laugh at us in the end of this all. If you go to Google Pictures, and you type in "Siren", what you get is a bunch of pictures of creatures looking more or less identical to mermaids. Karla brought this up before too. It's very alarming to me.
Yui Z is another player I want to bring up. She's very sharp. She is one of the players on TBT Mafia overall that I consider the most underrated. In this game, she has been very silent, and a lot of the posts she had made has just been repeating what others have already said. The bits that she agrees with. And although that makes her posts "add up" and "make sense", she's just sliding by day after day. This is not how she normally plays as town.
And Alise, the post you analyzed made by me was from very very early in the game. Back then everyone was focused on the whole mermaid thing to some extent. It was before Cory and Trundle had claimed, but just after Natty had claimed. My reasoning makes perfect sense, and you're taking things out of context to make me look bad. And I was hardly the only person who voted for Crystal - He simply acted quite shady and bloodthirsty this time around. It's true that I encouraged Crystal to step up their game in the Olympus round when we where mafia, which only lead me to believe that someone else might be encouraging them now this time around. I was wrong, admittedly, but it was an honest mistake.
I'm not going to make up my mind just yet, because there's many hours left in the day, but I think it's likely that I will be voting for Alise today. I also fear that my days may be numbered now because several of the people I find the most scummy (Alise, Tom, etc..) has mentioned my name all of a sudden. I feel very uneasy about all three thieves still being alive too. I don't know how we're supposed to bounce back from this unless activity levels increase significantly.
Dad's death implies to me that he was on the right track with his suspicions. He was one of the top contributors in the thread and more or less everyone had gotten strong town reads on him. He did say a thing or two that seemed a bit shady, and the fact that he missed that the Thieves has claimed to be on the same team first threw people off for a second or two. But he was leading his crusade against Dolby (who has now claimed Vet) and Alise just before he died, and he had listed a bunch of other players he found suspect. Ironically, these are the people that are now playing the game more intensely all of a sudden, making cases left and right, and leading the conversations in their own chosen directions. Coincidence? Very unlikely.
As for the Kallie thing, if Tom think he has figured it out yet wants to reveal it in the thread for all to see, then he has not figured it out at all or he's scum. Because there's no reason for him to want to share that information with everyone if he was town. I'll spill it all out if absolutely necessary to avoid getting myself into trouble, but it will only hurt us.
Also this whole "We should have a vig kill a strong player" thing that Tom keeps repeating is very very risky. If we get it wrong, we could be screwing ourselves over majorly. If that is how you truly feel, why don't you volunteer to get shot? You are one of the strongest players left in the game, and one of the most scummy too.
The fact that all three of the thieves are still alive and kicking, and we still don't know anything more about them, is very worrying. If they are the Mafia team, they will surely laugh at us in the end of this all. If you go to Google Pictures, and you type in "Siren", what you get is a bunch of pictures of creatures looking more or less identical to mermaids. Karla brought this up before too. It's very alarming to me.
Yui Z is another player I want to bring up. She's very sharp. She is one of the players on TBT Mafia overall that I consider the most underrated. In this game, she has been very silent, and a lot of the posts she had made has just been repeating what others have already said. The bits that she agrees with. And although that makes her posts "add up" and "make sense", she's just sliding by day after day. This is not how she normally plays as town.
And Alise, the post you analyzed made by me was from very very early in the game. Back then everyone was focused on the whole mermaid thing to some extent. It was before Cory and Trundle had claimed, but just after Natty had claimed. My reasoning makes perfect sense, and you're taking things out of context to make me look bad. And I was hardly the only person who voted for Crystal - He simply acted quite shady and bloodthirsty this time around. It's true that I encouraged Crystal to step up their game in the Olympus round when we where mafia, which only lead me to believe that someone else might be encouraging them now this time around. I was wrong, admittedly, but it was an honest mistake.
I'm not going to make up my mind just yet, because there's many hours left in the day, but I think it's likely that I will be voting for Alise today. I also fear that my days may be numbered now because several of the people I find the most scummy (Alise, Tom, etc..) has mentioned my name all of a sudden. I feel very uneasy about all three thieves still being alive too. I don't know how we're supposed to bounce back from this unless activity levels increase significantly.
To an extent. Why not go for blues is my biggest question.
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It's bing but
And Cory claimed Nymph, but for some reason the trio are being referred as mermaids or thieves
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Well. I'm inclined to believe that the three are indeed thieves and most likely not scum. What I'm not convinced about, however, is their win condition. Like someone mentioned before there's probably some other condition after they collect all the treasures. Perhaps we should kill them when they get close to collecting all 7 treasures? Or like Karla said before...kill one now so we can see their win condition.
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Well. I'm inclined to believe that the three are indeed thieves and most likely not scum. What I'm not convinced about, however, is their win condition. Like someone mentioned before there's probably some other condition after they collect all the treasures. Perhaps we should kill them when they get close to collecting all 7 treasures? Or like Karla said before...kill one now so we can see their win condition.
That at least confirms Ryan is indeed a roleblocker and that you possess some sort of action unless you've both been dictated to do so.
The problem with the Kallie thing is, I don't know which way to interpret it. There's at least three different ways in my mind I can take it, one of which is unlikely at this point which leaves two possible interpretations. Just keep in mind I'm willing to divulge this information if something about you rubs me wrong.
It is a little irritating the vig presumably shot Dolby, but it was their call in the end so beggars can't be choosers. Like I've stated before, I'm not against lynching one today, but I think Minties would be the better lynch. And of course I'm willing to get shot, why else would I suggest that idea? I'm willing to die if the vig deems it's my time, but at the same time the majority of you all deemed me suspicious so I could easily be bandwagoned out if you all wanted.
Honestly, I think Ashtot is nearly spot on about his list of names.
Minties, Yui-Z, Alice and Jeremy sure. I'm on the fence about you.
yeah, ashtot. Because mafia kills the people that suspect them the most and then mention it the next day.
If nobody claims the shot on Dolby, then we're dealing with a vig that has multiple shots. If they have unlimited shots, I find it pretty strange they would wait until N2 to start shooting, when there are perfectly good lurkers to start eliminating on N1. Therefore, our vig is probably 2-shot, which means we can still shoot one of the thieves.
I like Ashtot's list of names, going to go through their filters.
I like Ashtot's list of names, going to go through their filters.
You know what I just realized? My Majora's Mask Mafia post was AFTER the game had ended. It was considerably more aggressive than the bird mafia one, so you're making a case on me based on a single post?
I contributed a ton when it was the weekend. It's now Tuesday in Australia. I work full time and don't have the luxury of sitting on my ass on the forums for hours like many people do. I literally work Sun - Thurs 9AM - 5PM currently. You're all sleeping by the time I even leave the building. Who am I supposed to debate with? Myself? I posted suspicions, but you guys have just skimmed them or ignored them all together.
You guys have continued to harp on me for posting less aggressively (when my previous playstyle made people WANT TO NOT PLAY). This is the exact ****ing thing we all did to Karla at the beginning of the game and now he's cleared? Tom, you're trying to pull a case on me out of your ass. Can everyone just take TWO SECONDS of their time and just take one damn look at my posts from Sunleth (one of my recent games) where I was the Godfather?
I posted literally nothing on anyone. All of my posts were short and lacking in content.
CLICK HERE FOR THE FILTER OF ALL MY POSTS
I've been spending hours putting together posts for this game BECAUSE I'M ****ING TOWN. I haven't tried so hard in a game in a while now, most of my postings in previous games have been short. That's why I'm confused as to why you and Ashtot think me posting longer posts is scummy? Have you not been around for the past few months that I've been back? I've been trying to change my playstyle to not be so aggressive and angry because it definitely didn't help new players learn mafia by jumping down their throats. Yeah it pisses me off that you guys are putting me up for lynch based on the same thing you excused Karla for.
It's seriously ironic that Tom is putting me up for lynch when his behavioral change from being a strong player to playing like **** and lurking is far more significant to me. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Ashtot and Tom were scum buddies trying to push someone vocal out of the game (because mostly everyone else is silent anyways or just bandwagons).
Also @Ashtot, you win the award for the most hypocritical post of the whole game!
Click here for Ashtot's Filter
Note the majority of one liners, questions and stating blatantly obvious things. "Town is screwed" "I'm not good at no PM games" "Dude I'm totally town" You haven't contributed ANYTHING. All you have been doing is backpacking on Tom or Trundle or Karla without contributing a single original thought of you own. Don't you dare tell me for a second that you've done more than I have. I'm at least trying while you sit there and spew out one liners and other bs.
You wanted pissed off Minties back? Here you go.
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Also, where the **** is Alice during all of this?
I think that mafia didn't kill Cariad last night because they saw Dad as more of a threat. They probably knew that town would expect Cariad to be killed, if she is in fact a blue, so they chose to leave her to town. That's all I can come up with if she really is a blue, although I'm unsure about her role name.
As for Ryan, I think it's a similar thing to what I said about Cariad above. Mafia want to leave town to believe that he's scum for not being killed after claiming. That way town does the messy work for them and they can continue to kill off the player who're on their case.
I can kind of understand where Tom's coming from here, but I'm half and half. We can go ahead and continue to lynch the inactive users, but meanwhile town is most likely being led by one or two mafia members. Sometimes you've gotta take risks in mafia, but I don't know if it's really worth it right now or not.
Dolby's claim makes sense to me. If there was a mafia doc, then it's possible that Dolby was protected and able to claim veteran, although I think it's unlikely (unless there's any counter claimers).
Just wondering, are you 100% certain that the diamonds were randomly given to anyone in the game (except thieves obviously)?
From what I've gathered, you've stolen from Jeremy, SP, Ryan and Crystal so far. Crystal and SP turned out to be town, and I'm convinced that Ryan is telling the truth about his blue role claim. I have no idea about Jeremy because I'm not completely convinced he's town.
It's kind of difficult to come to a conclusion on whether only town have diamonds or not considering we haven't killed any mafia yet and not enough people have had diamonds stolen from them.
I'm pretty sure Jello managed to slip by in another game as scum. Can't remember what game, or even if it's Jello I'm thinking of, but it turned out that they were just scared scum or something. Does anyone know what game I'm thinking of here?
Please go on and tell me how I normally play as town, because I'd really like to make sense of it for myself. I've stated many times that my playstyle revolves around how I'm feeling at the time, whether I'm town or scum. I'll admit I've done pretty crappy this game.
It's one of the reasons I don't place my own suspicions on people only for playing differently to another game. People change, and I'm not as predictable as people might think I am.
While sirens and mermaids do look similar, they're very different. I found this to explain it:
I don't think that the three thieves are lying. Besides, the thieves aren't all mermaids.
If I had to take a guess at who I think the mafia are on the spot then, I'd say Sataric, Ashtot, KarlaKGB, Karen and Jeremy. This list will probably change when I look through their posts again.
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
This above post really irks me. I am now strongly feeling Yui-Z is mafia. Funny how she didn't comment on the whole Minties situation right now, which is essentially our main topic for lynch today. All your above opinions are just wishy washy opinions where you try to appear town by sympathizing with mainstream, yet dull opinions, which is essentially how I usually play as scum.
