Mafia TBT Mini Mafia XIII: Bird Mafia II [Game Over - Town & Tsundere Win!]

hi tommy did anything happen 2 u =O

i think tina probs get saved!!!~ and idk jer kinda wants to get rid of people who suspect him? (ex he wanted to kill dad) however i feel like hes more likely to be town. not to mention its probs a frame for minties suspicion and someone trying to make it look like he was still salty? idk. i feel like minties was most likely to be killed bc shes super cool =O

Maybe. c:

I dunno, doesn't it feel like Tina is kind of skirting this game? Throwback to Majora's.
 
Maybe. c:

I dunno, doesn't it feel like Tina is kind of skirting this game? Throwback to Majora's.

RIP Minties :( Sucks to lose a blue role, especially before she could user her revive ability. I was also thinking this about Tina before she posted her long post full of theories, which threw me off her because she didn't make any big, conclusive posts like that as scum in Majora's Mask. However, it's possible she's mafia and pulled the no-scum-team theory out from her sleeve as a decoy? I'm not suspicious of her right now, but it's just a thought.
I also haven't heard much from Lauren, which is weird.
 
I'm here epona, I'm just a little busy, let me read over and I'll give my reads on people ^.^ won't be too long

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Also, minties! You were the doctor, dear god. I really hope there is another, rip minties <3

*crying face*
 
hi tommy did anything happen 2 u =O

i think tina probs get saved!!!~ and idk jer kinda wants to get rid of people who suspect him? (ex he wanted to kill dad) however i feel like hes more likely to be town. not to mention its probs a frame for minties suspicion and someone trying to make it look like he was still salty? idk. i feel like minties was most likely to be killed bc shes super cool =O

I was never salty, lol! I only get salty at Tom. ;)
 
Okay here's my thoughts before I go to bed:

This seems odd to me. It just seems forced... Like the "OMG" seems like he's trying to sound all surprised and whatnot. Idk maybe I'm just reading into that too much, but it strikes me as weird. But this is Shiny of course!

Anyways about Jeremy, like everyone else has said, I think it's a frame. Anyone who observed and/or played in Majoras Mask Redux would know that Minties and Jeremy were salty towards eachother, so that's an easy route to try and frame him... But he did claim to be a peacock, so trying to frame him would be kind of stupid. Based on that, I'm wondering if it's possible one of the killing roles is a more noobish player??? Idk just something that crossed my mind.
Minties and I never interacted in Majora's. Repeat: I was never salty at her. I just called out her aggressive style of play in this game and she thought I was being salty about Majora's.

Anyway, I'm curious about Shiny. What bird are you, Shiny (just the role name)?
 
Okay! It wasn't an accusation as such, just wondering what your thoughts are.

No it's fine, if it was an accusation I would have blown up ;P hehe yeah I'll read through and what not and post after work ^.^

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Honestly, anyone scolding others for voting for Ryan when they voted for him too can go eff themselves. Ryan is a bad player, we would have constantly been wary of his clam and if we didn't lynch him today, we probably would have another day. I was the second person to vote for him and I don't regret it.

Night discussions are always so stilted and night ends while I'm still at work. Sucks

This has really stud out for me, she must have rattled someone on the scum team? I don't know, we could look who was *****ing. I voted Ryan, I think it was a good decision. He was a distraction im even if he wants town or mafia.
 
Maybe. c:

I dunno, doesn't it feel like Tina is kind of skirting this game? Throwback to Majora's.

Day 2 is a little early for a comment like that. Yes, I'm quiet, as I always am prior to Day 2 although this is the first time I've made it to Day 2 since May so I guess I can't blame you for forgetting this. I'm not going to pull a case out of thin air if I don't believe in it; I wait for evidence.

The drop in kills between Night 0 and Night 1 is worrying. I have a theory about this, but I'm not feeling particularly suicidal right now. If I'm going to put a target on my head I want it to be 100% necessary. If anyone somehow has any knowledge about hits N0 or N1 ? e.g. vig shot or taking hits ? please reveal it. I think it's essential in learning where (a) the hits are coming from, (b) how many anti-town killing roles there could potentially be, and (c) whether they're working separately or together.




Anyway, thoughts:

Who I trust:

(1-2) Alice and epona - if my theory is right, then I believe you both. I know the possibility that you're both scum and coined this together is there, but for now neither of you are posting in a way that makes me suspect you.

(3) ShinySandwich - I don't understand why you lot keep pushing him? He role claimed to confirm information about the townie role prior to Ashtot's role PM being revealed. If he is the/a Ostritch, I don't believe he would have been so quick to post this. He's not got a lot of mafia experience - including IRC/Epic/Unofficial. He also had the chance to seal ryan88's fate and didn't, instead opting to place a vote on himself rather than push ryan88 (who he had earlier stated he trusted) into majority. People pushing him are looking for an easy lynch, IMO. I believe he's innocent. But, if it'd make people feel more comfortable, why don't we ask us him to tell us what bird he is? He's already claiming townie, so it does no harm to ask him to reveal this.

(4) tsundere - harmless scum player. If they were lying about their role someone surely would have counterclaimed by now - or Tom would have outed you as a fraud. They're scum, yes, but I'm more than willing to work with them.




Who I am on the fence about:

(1) BlueLeaf - he's putting in an effort, I can't argue with that. Even though he eventually voted for ryan88, he put effort into researching previous games and comparing play steles - he didn't just bandwagon on the lynch without giving it any actual thought first. I also felt his proposition of trying to change lynch target late in the day was pro-town - if he were mafia, I feel like he would have pushed that non-red lynch because he would have known that ryan88 was going to flip yellow.

(2) Cory - Has brought up relevant points (even things I'd missed), and I partially want to trust him over the fact that when he could pushed my name he actually defended me knowing that I wouldn't be online to see my name being raised. But at the same time I'm not keen on how he pushed the ryan88 lynch and that he told BlueLeaf he wouldn't be willing to switch to a different lynch candidate even if new information came up. I'm not sure what to think about him to be honest.

(3) Sid2125 / JellofishXD - no reads.

(4) Jeremy - I am almost certain I believe his Peacock claim. I also agree that, yes, Minties death could be used to frame him - but if all of the KP is coming in from different sources (as it would if we're dealing with a one-man red-team) then it could have been him. But to be honest I'm just not buying it. Jeremy claimed to provide information. That information had already been provided, admittedly, but I guess he felt he was doing the right thing.

(5) Lauren - quiet in terms of activity, but loud in terms of style. Her play style is reminding me most of Bioshock, so I'm leaning more towards believing she is town.

(6) Natty - I'm feeling off about you. I don't like how you claimed to believe ryan88, only to turn around and jump on the lynch. Although admittedly she did state earlier on Day 1 that she would be prepared to do this in order to help reach majority, so that kind of eases the suspicion a little. I'm not fully trusting you, but I can't put my finger on what exactly is making me not trust you either.

(7) Tom - I trust that you can detect who uses an action on you, but that is all I believe. :) It was because of this I didn't push you to role claim Day 1: because I felt like you were hiding a useful ability. I can see why you claimed, but I'm unhappy that you did.

(8) VillageDweller - I don't know how to feel about you yet.




Who I suspect:

(1) alise - I believe she's scum. She's aggressive - not playful, as she keeps insisting her town play style is. When called out she merely questioned the validity of parts of the case rather than answering the more pressing matters. e.g. when I said I thought she was one of several people who was most likely to kill Crystal due to participation in IRC/Unofficial mafias, her argument was that "IRC Mafia isn't evidence". She completely ignored the Unofficial mafia part. One point in her favour is that she didn't want to jump on ryan88 early because he was an easy lynch, she also didn't bandwagon on him either. However, she's pushing all the other easy candidates: Dolby, Sid2125, ShinySandwich, and Jeremy.

(2) Dolby - he's been pushing all the easy lynches (Sid2125, Jeremy, and ryan88). Then his reaction when ryan88 flipped Survivor was:

Dolby said:
?Foo, looks like we we're wrong about Ryan, rip?

ryan88 wasn't being pushed just because people suspected he was lying. The majority of people seemed to just be bitter and didn't want the Survivor to win by doing absolutely nothing at all. This quote just seemed like a forced effort to try and appear pro-town.
 
The drop in kills between Night 0 and Night 1 is worrying. I have a theory about this, but I'm not feeling particularly suicidal right now. If I'm going to put a target on my head I want it to be 100% necessary. If anyone somehow has any knowledge about hits N0 or N1 ? e.g. vig shot or taking hits ? please reveal it. I think it's essential in learning where (a) the hits are coming from, (b) how many anti-town killing roles there could potentially be, and (c) whether they're working separately or together.

I honestly believe we have 2 mafia KP OR 2 SKs. Idk, since there's already so many third party players I feel kinda uneasy about there being a scum team. The kills are weird and no one else has stepped forward to claim they were protected. If it was 2 SKs I could see that they both went for Minties. Or someone else was blocked - if you're a town roleblocker and you feel confident about the person you blocked was scum and you blocked their kill, feel free to come forward I guess? Idk would you guys want them to come forward? As for the third kill I guess it was a vig who shot one of them, and ran out of shots last night or didn't want to shoot.

(3) ShinySandwich - I don't understand why you lot keep pushing him? He role claimed to confirm information about the townie role prior to Ashtot's role PM being revealed. If he is the/a Ostritch, I don't believe he would have been so quick to post this. He's not got a lot of mafia experience - including IRC/Epic/Unofficial. He also had the chance to seal ryan88's fate and didn't, instead opting to place a vote on himself rather than push ryan88 (who he had earlier stated he trusted) into majority. People pushing him are looking for an easy lynch, IMO. I believe he's innocent. But, if it'd make people feel more comfortable, why don't we ask us him to tell us what bird he is? He's already claiming townie, so it does no harm to ask him to reveal this.
Hmm yeah I believe he's innocent as well. I pushed him earlier because I feel like he would be the one likely to kill Crystal because of their relationship in IRC mafia. However, seeing that there was only one kill tonight and the amount of third party players, I'm more likely to believe Crystal was a vig shot and that there are only 2 SKs or mafia only has 2 KP.

(4) tsundere - harmless scum player. If they were lying about their role someone surely would have counterclaimed by now - or Tom would have outed you as a fraud. They're scum, yes, but I'm more than willing to work with them.
im not scum :(( scum = anti town parties!!!!!!

(6) Natty - I'm feeling off about you. I don't like how you claimed to believe ryan88, only to turn around and jump on the lynch. Although admittedly she did state earlier on Day 1 that she would be prepared to do this in order to help reach majority, so that kind of eases the suspicion a little. I'm not fully trusting you, but I can't put my finger on what exactly is making me not trust you either.
She claimed something about no one would've wanted to switch lynches. Idk, I feel kinda off about Natty because I feel like this is the most active and contributive she's been in a game for a very long time. (No offense bby but I feel like you have been really talkative lately, while in past games you seemed to have gotten quieter).

(7) Tom - I trust that you can detect who uses an action on you, but that is all I believe. :) It was because of this I didn't push you to role claim Day 1: because I felt like you were hiding a useful ability. I can see why you claimed, but I'm unhappy that you did.

can we lynch him tho!!! but i feel like hes third party just because of how careless he's been in this game bc he really doesn't care who wins

(1) alise - I believe she's scum. She's aggressive - not playful, as she keeps insisting her town play style is. When called out she merely questioned the validity of parts of the case rather than answering the more pressing matters. e.g. when I said I thought she was one of several people who was most likely to kill Crystal due to participation in IRC/Unofficial mafias, her argument was that "IRC Mafia isn't evidence". She completely ignored the Unofficial mafia part. One point in her favour is that she didn't want to jump on ryan88 early because he was an easy lynch, she also didn't bandwagon on him either. However, she's pushing all the other easy candidates: Dolby, Sid2125, ShinySandwich, and Jeremy.

sooomeone who feels the same about alise!1 She feels incredibly off. She's so much more aggressive while responding to me whenever I call her out. In past games when she's town she's more meek about being called out, and apologizes a lot. This game she's been using the excuse "but there is no discussion!" when there's been plenty.

(2) Dolby - he's been pushing all the easy lynches (Sid2125, Jeremy, and ryan88). Then his reaction when ryan88 flipped Survivor was:

ryan88 wasn't being pushed just because people suspected he was lying. The majority of people seemed to just be bitter and didn't want the Survivor to win by doing absolutely nothing at all. This quote just seemed like a forced effort to try and appear pro-town.

Well many people still thought that ryan88 was mafia hiding behind a survivor claim. But yeah, some people were just upset about the idea of him winning. I don't really know why town (or at least those who BELIEVED he was a survivor and just wanted him gone bc they didn't want him to win) would want to waste a lynch on a survivor. I mean, who cares if he wins without doing anything? Wasting a lynch on a survivor won't help you any. I don't understand the logic of that lynch - that lynch only delayed town back when they could've lynched someone else. (coughs alise). Yes I know ryan88 can be a distraction, but I truly believed his survivor claim. It just feels really off to me...it reminds me of the Dolby lynch in Majora's Mask. Many people believed he was town (I knew he was town bc I was scum haha) but they lynched him for the heck of it, because it was either him or no lynch. That lynch didn't help town at all in that game but I didn't mind it, lol.
 
She claimed something about no one would've wanted to switch lynches. Idk, I feel kinda off about Natty because I feel like this is the most active and contributive she's been in a game for a very long time. (No offense bby but I feel like you have been really talkative lately, while in past games you seemed to have gotten quieter).

I claimed people probably (emphasis on probably) wouldn't have jumped on to somebody else the last two hours.

As odor my activity, maybe it's because I'm trying to improve? I mean lately I feel like I've reverted back to being a noob player because I wouldn't post my thoughts much and yeah. Also check post counts for Majoras Mask Redux and see what you find.
 
I'm having trouble keeping the known facts together in this game. Scratch what I said about Shiny, but I'd like to ask the same thing to alise and Dolby. What are your role/bird names?

@Tina, that's not why a lot of us wanted to lynch ryan at least. He lied about his role at least once and then claimed a role that seemed unlikely at the time.
 
If there is a vig, they may have been spooked after hitting town on N0 and refrained from shooting last night in case they narrowed town's numbers even more. I mean, no conclusive evidence was brought to the table on Day 1 which is part of the reason Ryan was lynched, so maybe the vig didn't feel confident enough about anyone to shoot? I really doubt it was a 1 shot vig, because I don't think they'd have shot N0 with literally zero evidence. It could possibly be an x shot vig, though, and they're wary of wasting more shots. That's if there even is a vig.

I think alise is probably the only person I'd be willing to vote for today; I have a bad feeling about Natty too, but it's not enough to make me want to place a vote for her lynch. I feel like Elise is being really careful and refraining from joking around in case she makes a careless mistake and turns suspicions on herself.
 
As I have said before (#353), I said we should elise be for now, but her posts after that kind of made me change her mind. I wanted to let her post (#397) a bit more to see more of how she posts (so redundant lmao) or if she would slip-up, but I feel like she has enough posts to effectively make a case, now.

As for Jello, I'd like to see their thoughts soon. I'm not sure why Sid did the things they did, so what Jello says will either ease my suspicion or strengthen my suspicion.

Also if DT got a mafia inspection, they should hint it, not too obviously, tho.
 
I honestly believe we have 2 mafia KP OR 2 SKs. Idk, since there's already so many third party players I feel kinda uneasy about there being a scum team. The kills are weird and no one else has stepped forward to claim they were protected. If it was 2 SKs I could see that they both went for Minties. Or someone else was blocked - if you're a town roleblocker and you feel confident about the person you blocked was scum and you blocked their kill, feel free to come forward I guess? Idk would you guys want them to come forward? As for the third kill I guess it was a vig who shot one of them, and ran out of shots last night or didn't want to shoot.

I was thinking this as well.

As for blocks, I feel like it would only apply to third party? As far as I can recall, mafia kills usually cannot be blocked outside of nub games. But then again I do feel like we could have 1-2 third party killers so that's totally plausible. Regardless of how it works, I am quite certain now that kills are coming from multiple sources.


im not scum :(( scum = anti town parties!!!!!!

Shhh, it makes me feel better to think of you as scum after you gave away my role in Majora's Mask. ;)


Jeremy said:
@Tina, that's not why a lot of us wanted to lynch ryan at least. He lied about his role at least once and then claimed a role that seemed unlikely at the time.

Well it was the general vibe l I got while catching up on the thread today. Some people (e.g. Cory) even outright stating that he didn't deserve to win.
 
It'd be nice if you could atleast explain why you have a "bad feeling" about me.

Like I said, it's just a feeling. I have no evidence to back it up whatsoever; it's just a feeling. That's why I'm not voting to lynch you - I have no solid reason.
 
Like I said, it's just a feeling. I have no evidence to back it up whatsoever; it's just a feeling. That's why I'm not voting to lynch you - I have no solid reason.

There's usually a reason why someone would have a gut feeling tho, but okay.

Anyways you know, that is something I've completely glazed over regarding Elise until people pointed it out. It is strange she isn't being as "jokey" this game, but I want to see more replies from her about all this that's come up. But there's two others that strike me as odd: VillageDweller and Dolby. They've both been really quiet, and it seems like they're posting the bare minimum. Like with Harry, he was relatively active the first two days and now he's kind of dropped off. Where are you bae? Maybe school has started for you or something? As for Dolby, he's only made 6 posts so far (not counting the signup post), one of which was giving his opinions of all the easy lynch candidates.
 
There's usually a reason why someone would have a gut feeling tho, but okay.

Anyways you know, that is something I've completely glazed over regarding Elise until people pointed it out. It is strange she isn't being as "jokey" this game, but I want to see more replies from her about all this that's come up. But there's two others that strike me as odd: VillageDweller and Dolby. They've both been really quiet, and it seems like they're posting the bare minimum. Like with Harry, he was relatively active the first two days and now he's kind of dropped off. Where are you bae? Maybe school has started for you or something? As for Dolby, he's only made 6 posts so far (not counting the signup post), one of which was giving his opinions of all the easy lynch candidates.

i'm too busy for this game. i don't want to think about it. the only reason I even signed up is because Nick wanted me to play. I have too much homework to do but I don't want to be banned so

i agree with tinas post. again. tbh i'm barely even taking in what's happening this game. sorry to let you down :)

i'm also just generally wary of elise because she isn't trying as much w/e has she even posted since like the day before yesterday #hyprocritebecauseineverpost
 
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