Regarding Dolby's posts: There's too much going on for me to respond line by line lmao. But I'll address the broader concerns. The reason my post was admittedly wishy washy is because I was trying to think through different outcomes and potentialities. They were not intended to be hard reads. Since I'm sure everyone would like for me to further clarify my stances atm, here you go:
I weakly townread Punchy and Temptations, townread Dad, scumread Damniel, and am really not quite sure about Dolby, unravel, and Vampnessa.
Why did Temptations get singled out as being possible scum when you stated that he was anti-aligned with BOTH me and Damniel. Why is he singled out as a player to look for as scum then if you TR him, bc he ain't that good as scum.
And frankly I think your Damniel read is perhaps biased to the events in the first 100 posts
The amount of effort Dolby has shown to go dig deep into my meta is admirable, but an incredibly easy thing to do to gain cred as scum. I'm too lazy to find the games atm but I know that a similar situation arose when I was town and mafia started trying to find wishywashiness/consistencies with scum meta just to discredit me. I *think* that was BoTW mafia I'm thinking of but can't be 100% sure.
Idk what games you were lynched in, but your wagon in BoTW was mostly driven by town that I recall, and what did you in that game was your vet claim
The reason I can't hard scumread Dolby is because any good townie can and should look deep into meta to try and scumhunt. The reason I can't hard townread Dolby is because he's really good at generating content no matter what alignment he is, so a good way you have to catch him is considering his reactions and potential teamings as the kills narrow the field.
Got it, you can't read me either way. If you feel that I'm cherrypicking, than fine, just say it and scumread me for it and don't be ambiguous about me now.
The bulk of Dolby's meta analysis rests on how "oh, Evan looks for town as town and scum as scum." Which would be good analysis if it weren't needlessly myopic. In every game he cited I looked for both town and scum. He just happens to cherry pick what I was doing the most to make it seem like I'm doing the exact same thing I do as scum here.
I think that it happens to be a rule that you happen to follow, and you know what, just to prove the differences I'm going to quote every D1 post in Hunger Games where you TL one or more people for the purposes of transparancy
can I just say that this sets off slight alarm bells
I don't like how Kayla is essentially demanding Dolby to give thoughts on her, like she needs affirmation of her towniness or something. Tbh I feel up until now Kayla has been acting very townlike but this...ick. It's hard to swallow
hmm Kayla does have some good points about Dolby and waffles but I really think an Antonio or Punchy lynch would help clear up some issues and help us detect alignments better. Dolby has been a bit more quiet but while he did say he was going to be active, I also understood he was going to have IRL stuff decrease his activity level somewhat.
Quick D1 reads/pools:
The confirmed TP is rune (obviously)
My townleans are Calamity/Farobi/Ghostkid/Byngo
My nulls are ILY/Dedenne/Kammm/Silver/Locket
My scumpool atm is Antonio/Punchy/Dolby/unravel/Calamity. This doesn't mean I think they're all scum, but rather that these are the people I think have a strong likelihood of being scum.
Which, compared to how you normally do stuff as town, is comparatively minimal. And you generally put a lot more work into finding town there, so yes, I suppose you're right when you say that each townie found is one less scum option (and hence lynch option), that's exactly the kind of thinking I was saying motivates you as scum to minimize the people you TR and the shift your work to "scum hunting"
But news flash: any player is going to be looking for both townies and scum no matter what their alignment is. Each game is different as to why I try to confirm townies before finding scum, or try to scumhunt first. But the ultimate goal is the same: each townie that gets found is one less scum option. I.e. finding townies also indirectly finds scum anyway. Now it is true that as scum, I often go on a scumhunt harder to try and discredit townies or make myself look good. But what Dolby does not offer is why I am doing the exact same thing here. He just draws A and B on a map with a bunch of quotes, but never actually draws the line between those points that definitively shows I'm doing the same thing here.
But you as scum look for townies less than as town, while still looking for them. The only TL you have so far that you haven't placed significant doubt on is Dad, and I suppose Punchy as well if I'm being generous
But you want the points alright. You've put significant doubt on your TLs except the one I think could be your pocket, you've expanded your scum pool up to your weak TLs, and frankly I think your logic for your reads is lacking or absent, as I noted for posts 74 and 216
The basis I had for townreading Antonio at that time was not so much his own posts, but how Punchy behaved towards him. It very much struck me as Punchy going after a townie really early like he sometimes does. And his case also reminded me of how I have often felt Antonio is scummy simply because of how he likes to play and express his thoughts - but he usually ended up being town. So, sure, Dolby, I didn't have much to go on with Antonio's posts at all. But I had a lot more to go on based on Punchy and my intuition and experience with Antonio's playstyle.
What
You're townreading Antonio, because you think that Punchy is wrong
That ain't a real read bro
You're literally saying "I'm reading Antonio as town because I think Punchy's read is wrong", not based on his own content or interactions with scummy people
big red flag
I TR unravel, punchy, and evan. Between Dad and Dolby, I have no definitive read on either of them. Dad pushing for the idea of him being protected is odd since bianca explicitly mentioned there'd be only one kill tonight by the sk. His intentions give me mixed signals so it'll be nice to hear him out. Damniel also asks of this unclaimed protection so i'm not sure whether that's asking for actual curiousity or for the sake of appearing town. And for Dolby, he's generally suspicious and i cant read him well lmao so i'll just leave him on the same boat w/ Dad.
i can see a town thought process on evan in post #216, mainly cause i could follow a similar line of thought, but some people (dolby mainly) are picking out at it so it's either my reads are basic or dolby is an influential baddie. unravel and punchy are trs too because they're playstyle strike me as town atm, at least moreso than the rest of the players.
temptations and vanessa are a null for me. temptations i previously scumread with his inconclusive null case, but as of now it's not really something his teammates would allow of him in hindsight unless his teammates aren't active at that time. Vanessa is null because i dont recall her playstyle as much as mafia so i'll just have to read on her more. temptations more scummy than vanessa at least for me.
closest scum read i have is damniel, dad/dolby, and antonio. not super strong on them though but hey we got a week to figure this out lol
@ questions directed at me pages ago - i dont remember being in a scum team with tina from my memory. Also might've skimmed over some other questions directed at me so if anyone still retains any suspicions on me i can clear them out
This is literally a CP of Evan's reads
I actually scumread Farobi more than Evan for this post let me break it down. My biggest grief though is not the content within, but the kinda dejected tone and the lack of town enthusiam
I TR unravel, punchy, and evan. Between Dad and Dolby, I have no definitive read on either of them. Dad pushing for the idea of him being protected is odd since bianca explicitly mentioned there'd be only one kill tonight by the sk. His intentions give me mixed signals so it'll be nice to hear him out. Damniel also asks of this unclaimed protection so i'm not sure whether that's asking for actual curiousity or for the sake of appearing town. And for Dolby, he's generally suspicious and i cant read him well lmao so i'll just leave him on the same boat w/ Dad.
This part is actually fine except for me being generally suspicious and then backing off on that read. That I just don't really like but I recall him taking similar stances in the past with me being "generally scumish as his meta" so I'll let it slide
i can see a town thought process on evan in post #216, mainly cause i could follow a similar line of thought, but some people (dolby mainly) are picking out at it so it's either my reads are basic or dolby is an influential baddie. unravel and punchy are trs too because they're playstyle strike me as town atm, at least moreso than the rest of the players.
There was no thought process within the post itself, there was only conclusions. Moreover, you're trying to present a black and white world where "Dolby can't be wrong, therefore he is scum!" and don't present any logic behind your reads, just piggyback on the consensus towns, unravel and Punchy.
temptations and vanessa are a null for me. temptations i previously scumread with his inconclusive null case, but as of now it's not really something his teammates would allow of him in hindsight unless his teammates aren't active at that time. Vanessa is null because i dont recall her playstyle as much as mafia so i'll just have to read on her more. temptations more scummy than vanessa at least for me.
This is fine, though I really don't expect null reads to be controverisal. What is interesting is that he previously scumread Antonio but didn't post anything about it prior.
closest scum read i have is damniel, dad/dolby, and antonio. not super strong on them though but hey we got a week to figure this out lol
Here we see the summary, let's see the glorious logic behind it!
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Nothing
Just a statement
I guess I dislike that Antonio is listed in two catagories, that there's no explanation and just a statement, but it's just bad. Nothing to break down. Of note is that it's pretty much a CP of Evan's scumlist with Dad chucked in (including the light shade of Antonio)
I'm gonna say that Evan/Farobi isn't a team because what scum copies their teammates reads list, it gives them no progression.
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Maybe saying it's a CP is a strech, but the only difference is Dad's down at the bottom, and Unravel is a TL (which is consensus). He also reads
the exact same people that Evan did
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I'm dumb I thought there were more players for some reason
