Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[unravel]

Day one pls thanks

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Also ftr I don’t like that Dolby thinks I’m town, I think that might be trying to get my trust. Also I’m voting for Antonio as soon as night ends, which should have been 8 hours ago

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Antonio, if mafia, is probably teamed with either unravel, damniel, or Vanessa. I don’t really like Vanessa’s tone this game, it sounds different than usual.

 

[unravel]

Whats with me and Damniel? I didn't like how degrading his post is

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But Vanessa tone isn't kinda off in my opinion can you really explain "how off" her tone is

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Gimme a few mins I'm looking for the game where Vanessa is scum and I'm the TP I actually forgot what game it is also I'm going to drop the scum chat in that game (which I dunno if thats allowed tho)

As I recall correctly that last game I was dramatic unlyncher and Vanessa was Mafia crier (accdg to that quick topic I found) her tone changed mid/end game and the way she act towards the players which shes trying to convince people which majority people were amazed by the outcome

 

[Geoni]

Vanessa is impossible to toneread, I've tried.

 

[unravel]

Hard to read? Wtf I missed a lot
Have you guys have another source where she was scum aside the previous game I pointed out?

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Do you guys have source*

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I did mention this about Vanessa's play as scum long ago

 

[amazonevan19]

oh **** I keep forgetting about this game. Got about 10 pages to catch up on but I will say rn that I am not sure I like Damniel calling out Vanessa with little reason. Just saying "she's giving scummy vibes" makes me feel he's just wanting to plant seeds of doubt and expound later after working up a case. But that may change as I keep reading.

 

[Biancasbotique]

Night 0 Results:

Jacob has died.

Jacob's role:

Town Vigilante

you are the Town Vigilante.

Abilities:

Each night, you may to kill a player in the game. It's possible that your attempt will fail if you have been deactivated.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

PS: I apologize for the delay but this should have ended midnight. I am extending the day after Christmas . I don't want anyone lynched before Christmas Eve.

 

[Dolby]

Please forgive **** quality

 

[Biancasbotique]

Dolby, would you have time to do the user links again?

 

[Jacob]

Whew good luck

 

[Dolby]

Dolby, would you have time to do the user links again?

Dad
Temptations
Dolby
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Jacob
Vampnessa
DubiousDelphine
AmazonEvan19
Unravel
Farobi
Damniel

 

[cornimer]

Dang rip Jacob
@unravel the game where I was scum and you were TP was Real Housewives
My only other scum game was the resistance once

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Probably best emcompasses why I dislike Scum Files. Punchy town btw

Can you elaborate on your townlean on Punchy, maybe I missed something (which is possible because I'm skimming everything) but it seems to have happened a bit fast

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Also if you can see me as teamed with Antonio despite knowing how controlling and cautioned I can be as scum towards my teammates then why wouldn't I be coaching Antonio here and in what world do I ever think a case post like the one he made should ever be put out there?

Hey Dad remember when he counter-claimed cop when you weren't online

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oh **** I keep forgetting about this game. Got about 10 pages to catch up on but I will say rn that I am not sure I like Damniel calling out Vanessa with little reason. Just saying "she's giving scummy vibes" makes me feel he's just wanting to plant seeds of doubt and expound later after working up a case. But that may change as I keep reading.

Just saying "she's giving scummy vibes" makes me feel he's just wanting to plant seeds of doubt and expound later after working up a case.

plant seeds of doubt

Red flag, seeds of doubt is a verified scum term

 

[PunchyTheCat]

hmm I didn't die

 

[Damniel]

Jacob was a one shot vigilante that means he had one shot

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Also if you were saved now is a good time to claim that

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hmm I didn't die

Why would you u don’t do anything

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Also a week-long day holy * this is gonna take a while

 

[amazonevan19]

RIP Jacob, I def had a hunch you were town.

Still reading. Got mega interrupted

@Vanessa Damn ya got me

 

[amazonevan19]

Ok so here’s my thoughts
- I think punchy v temptations is def still town v town. Punchy is trying to scumhunt, Temptations has been offering good defenses. Even though I think Punchy is wrong I don’t think his presses are particularly scum-motivated. They seem genuine. The one thing that makes me think Punchy could be scum is how he mentioned Temptations’ supposed scumslip without stating what it was, and then when it was revealed it was just a bunch of hullabaloo. But idk. While I don’t want to write either of them off completely from being scum, I think Punchy is doing just a slightly better job at appearing town. Dolby did make an astute point about Temptations’ Punchy analysis. He seemed to start strong but then it fizzled out and his conclusion didn’t match the evidence he brought.

- Not sure what to think about unravel. She doesn’t scream either town or mafia to me atm. She’s at least trying which is more than what I can say of most of her maf tactics

- Damniel explained himself (kinda) and it’s worthy of note that he slightly sussed Jacob, who flipped town. Don’t know if it’s terribly AI but it’s worth noting. Don't know if scum would want to frame Damniel this early on, or if Damniel actually is scum and would want to off Jacob after Damniel aired his suspicions in the thread. Damniel also townreads unravel which is a bit strange considering how enigmatic unravel usually is, except when she’s obvscum, but usually she is only obvscum at the end of a game

- Even though I liked his point on Temptations, Dolby strikes me a bit odd. Dolby isn’t usually one to go hyper in depth on grammar or symantics and kudos to Dad for pointing that out. I’m not sure who I’d team him with though - while I think Damniel and Dolby are likely scums independently, I do not know how they would work together on a team based on what I've seen.

- Dad seems pretty chill and probing so far, not cautious or trying to hide something imo. His scumlean on me makes sense as I have been practically nonexistent but it’s mostly just because I’ve been busy and forgetting about the game. I initially said he’s “dangerous” because he is a good player who knows how to confuse people very well when he’s scum. I’m not seeing those sort of tactics at play here, so for now townlean

I need to go take care of some business now and there’s some people I still need to look at more closely, but rn if I had to choose I’d say Damniel and Dolby are likely scums, mayyybe Temptations? But I don’t see why Dolby would be acting the way he is if Temptations was scum, except as distancing perhaps.

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Actually wait, punchy never did explicitly state what the scumslip was, did he? Maybe I read too fast but all I recall atm is that he just kept saying it was obvious to anyone who caught it? Then disregard the part where I said Temptations' scumslip was underwhelming. Technically speaking it is so underwhelming that it's not even evident to some of the game's most experienced players!

 

[PunchyTheCat]

oh frick I reread the pages around where I called the slip and it wasn't a slip

basically antonio said that Dad told him what fearkill meant, and I very briefly skimmed past the page where Dad told him in this thread the first time I read it so I didn't see it

I thought that Dad had told him in scumchat, so that's why I thought it was a slip

looking back I should have revealed it as soon as I saw it, but I wanted to try and weed out if anyone else knew what I was talking about

 

[Dolby]

Also if you can see me as teamed with Antonio despite knowing how controlling and cautioned I can be as scum towards my teammates then why wouldn't I be coaching Antonio here and in what world do I ever think a case post like the one he made should ever be put out there?

Same reason you're saying me/Antonio is possible

Even though I liked his point on Temptations, Dolby strikes me a bit odd. Dolby isn?t usually one to go hyper in depth on grammar or symantics and kudos to Dad for pointing that out. I?m not sure who I?d team him with though - while I think Damniel and Dolby are likely scums independently, I do not know how they would work together on a team based on what I've seen.

FFS, I'm not going after him for grammer as Dad and yourself seem to present, I was going after him there because his tone was such that of a scum who feels they're caught for a non-existant reason. His "what's the slip line" was out of line with the tone, not wording, of his previous posts

And that's a LOT of doubt that you're putting on your town v town read right there

- Damniel explained himself (kinda) and it?s worthy of note that he slightly sussed Jacob, who flipped town. Don?t know if it?s terribly AI but it?s worth noting. Don't know if scum would want to frame Damniel this early on, or if Damniel actually is scum and would want to off Jacob after Damniel aired his suspicions in the thread. Damniel also townreads unravel which is a bit strange considering how enigmatic unravel usually is, except when she?s obvscum, but usually she is only obvscum at the end of a game

1. Unravel ain't enigmatic lol except when she's purposely trying to obfuscate at which point she's null read at best
2. What scum does either of those two things with the explicit purpose. When does Damniel ever go "ok I sussed Jacob slightly we should kill him because of that to make me look good" or an equivilent situation for when he's town, that's not AI

There's a post of Punchy (and I think from someone else) asking why I'm TRing him. Scum Punchy doesn't go out shouting to the treetops that Antonio has scumslipped when there isn't solid backing to the claim. And as scum he isn't looking for scumslips at all

 

[Dolby]

Ok so here?s my thoughts
- I think punchy v temptations is def still town v town. Punchy is trying to scumhunt, Temptations has been offering good defenses. Even though I think Punchy is wrong I don?t think his presses are particularly scum-motivated. They seem genuine. The one thing that makes me think Punchy could be scum is how he mentioned Temptations? supposed scumslip without stating what it was, and then when it was revealed it was just a bunch of hullabaloo. But idk. While I don?t want to write either of them off completely from being scum, I think Punchy is doing just a slightly better job at appearing town. Dolby did make an astute point about Temptations? Punchy analysis. He seemed to start strong but then it fizzled out and his conclusion didn?t match the evidence he brought.

- Not sure what to think about unravel. She doesn?t scream either town or mafia to me atm. She?s at least trying which is more than what I can say of most of her maf tactics

- Damniel explained himself (kinda) and it?s worthy of note that he slightly sussed Jacob, who flipped town. Don?t know if it?s terribly AI but it?s worth noting. Don't know if scum would want to frame Damniel this early on, or if Damniel actually is scum and would want to off Jacob after Damniel aired his suspicions in the thread. Damniel also townreads unravel which is a bit strange considering how enigmatic unravel usually is, except when she?s obvscum, but usually she is only obvscum at the end of a game

- Even though I liked his point on Temptations, Dolby strikes me a bit odd. Dolby isn?t usually one to go hyper in depth on grammar or symantics and kudos to Dad for pointing that out. I?m not sure who I?d team him with though - while I think Damniel and Dolby are likely scums independently, I do not know how they would work together on a team based on what I've seen.

- Dad seems pretty chill and probing so far, not cautious or trying to hide something imo. His scumlean on me makes sense as I have been practically nonexistent but it?s mostly just because I?ve been busy and forgetting about the game. I initially said he?s ?dangerous? because he is a good player who knows how to confuse people very well when he?s scum. I?m not seeing those sort of tactics at play here, so for now townlean

I need to go take care of some business now and there?s some people I still need to look at more closely, but rn if I had to choose I?d say Damniel and Dolby are likely scums, mayyybe Temptations? But I don?t see why Dolby would be acting the way he is if Temptations was scum, except as distancing perhaps.

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Actually wait, punchy never did explicitly state what the scumslip was, did he? Maybe I read too fast but all I recall atm is that he just kept saying it was obvious to anyone who caught it? Then disregard the part where I said Temptations' scumslip was underwhelming. Technically speaking it is so underwhelming that it's not even evident to some of the game's most experienced players!

Yeah, you know, I actually dislike this post more than Scum Files TM upon closer inspection. Scum Files was weak but it was at least transpartent through it's conclusion. What we have here is only one definitive townread (which I feel is trying to get on Dad's good side), two nulls trying to mask themselves as townreads, one open nullread which sole purpose is to further a sus, and me and Dan which idk, could go either way as what masking as what.

The important thing is Evan is trying to create reads with nothing behind them and leave room for him to wiggle out. This is probably most prominently seen through his read on Punchy and Antonio as town v town, and procedes to cast severe doubt on his Punchy read and pretty much toss aside his Antonio townread to scumread him at the end, with the caveat being that Antonio can't really be teamed with me here. In such a way, he pretty much debased his Temptations read to have no value. His focus on Punchy calling Antonio out for supposedly scumslipping completely overwhelms his points to why Punchy is town that skimming through I could say "Evan thinks Punchy is scum" if it weren't for that first line.

His Damniel scumread is frankly baseless and based on the start of the game behavior if you want to give him benefit of the doubt. The only real point that he puts forward is that Dan TRs Unravel, ignoring that Dad has her as his second from top town, I've townread her. Basically a lot of people can read her and he just ignores all that to put a cheap shot into Damniel

Dolby strikes me as odd and going after me for "scumreading grammer", which I clearly didn't do. Sure bub

His Dad townread, the one real townread he has, against the person who scumreads him, is pretty bad to say the least. He shrinks Dad's reasoning to scumreading Evan to "being absent", and town reads Dad for, in "his view", scumreading inactivity. In such a way I think that he's trying to pocket Dad and make him drop his sus on Evan (yes, I'm completely ruling out Evan/Dad).

All three of his scumreads (me/Damniel/Antonio) he basically says are all anti-aligned or imcompatible with each other. This is such covering of the back for a potential townflip that I've breathless

So in conclusion

The only strong read that Evan has is on Dad, who debases Dad's case to "my inactivity" and begins to cozy up with him, townreading him for supposedly scumreading inactives which should be a red flag if he actually thinks this

He waters down all his townleans

His reasons for scumreading Damniel are pretty much nonexistant

And he's anti-aligning all of his scumreads (many worlds)

On another note, I noticed that it felt like Evan was only looking for reasons to scumread people and not searching for townleans. Gonna have to look back into his meta to see if that's atypical of him

 

[unravel]

not liking it, where are your townleans aside dad?