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Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

If it ends at midnight and not 30 hours from now I can only phone post but damn are Dolby's reads really pointed, tonally aggressive, and containing a straight up scumtell with how he continues to nullread Vanessa on what is probably the laziest excuse I've seen from him in a long time.

Vanessa could you give some cut and dry reads of everyone while I wait for work to slow down?
 
Actually, this is one of the things looking back that I felt deserved more attention here, why you're more sus than Farobi in my eyes. I really can't figure out a world where Farobi is mafia. He's defenetely not with you or unravel, I personally believe that he's not with Dad or Damniel (Dan's vote I feel was crucial to making the wagon a leading one). So what does that leave? Some combination of Punchy, Antonio, Vanessa, and Gavin as potential teammates if I'm to believe that Farobi is scum. Ignoring Gavin for the moment (just assuming he's not mafia, but he's given us nothing to read thus far), it has to be either Farobi/Vanessa/Punchy in that case or Farobi/Vanessa/Antonio because there is no world at this point where Punchy and Antonio are teamed where Farobi is a maf. Basically the reason that I townread Farobi is that he was so many anti-aligns that I struggle to create a world where he's scum exempting that at least one of his teammates is inactive. The world where Evan's mafia is an admitidly narrower world: Evan's teammed with a combination of three players rather than four (Dad, Antonio, and Gavin), but the links between Evan and Dad are MUCH more evident than any between Farobi and Vanessa. I can trace and even predicted Dad's path to TLing Evan after what I view as a death distance from him N0

I also have serious doubts about mafia having THIS much of a lack of thread presence for the Farobi/Vanessa world. Like, they've had no presence at all.

Ok, I can definitely see how this makes sense from your perspective. This is basically glorified PoE though and really doesn't consider the actual content of Farobi's posts; it's just going off of assumptions about who's who and is frankly kind of lazy.

Like you've spent plenty of time wallpost warring with me but have still not done much of anything with Vampnessa, who's intriguingly aligning with my reads now, like wtf gotta study that more...but needless to say, I'm disconcerted. It looks like she's trying to anti-align you which is, again, what Dolby and I did in Hunger Games...
 
If it ends at midnight and not 30 hours from now I can only phone post but damn are Dolby's reads really pointed, tonally aggressive, and containing a straight up scumtell with how he continues to nullread Vanessa on what is probably the laziest excuse I've seen from him in a long time.

Vanessa could you give some cut and dry reads of everyone while I wait for work to slow down?

If you think I'm scum than damn vote me and don't skate around me. Frankly I get the sense that Evan or you ain't happening today so I'm content with a protest vote atm

There's no way that me being aggressive should be seen as a scumtell from me either (though you can keep telling yourself that me not having a solid read on Vanessa is one)

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Ok, I can definitely see how this makes sense from your perspective. This is basically glorified PoE though and really doesn't consider the actual content of Farobi's posts; it's just going off of assumptions about who's who and is frankly kind of lazy.

Like you've spent plenty of time wallpost warring with me but have still not done much of anything with Vampnessa, who's intriguingly aligning with my reads now, like wtf gotta study that more...but needless to say, I'm disconcerted. It looks like she's trying to anti-align you which is, again, what Dolby and I did in Hunger Games...

Let's be real here, at that point in time all Farobi really had was the sheep post of you (which was bad), there really wasn't much more to consider from him. The reason that I'm warring more than you than I would with Farobi if I actively scumread him is that you're here he's not

Vanessa has similarly not been here for the past like 150 posts

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Also I think is lock if Evan/Dad is maf
 
Welp, I was typing this and tried to post it right as the site started giving HTTP 500 errors. Idk if it posted but just in case I’ll put it up again :p

But what I meant by my post about you and Dolby, as confusing and sketchy as my wording may have been, was that while the points Dolby was bringing up about you technically made sense, I thought he was nitpicking. Like, when I read it I could understand how he was deciding to scumread you, but the fact that he was reaching that far for points really just made HIM look scummy.

I'm not done reading all your interactions but I saw one post where he claimed you were faking a towntell and I had the same reaction I'm trying to describe now. Like "yeah if I put my 50 pairs of analysis glasses on I can see how you made that conclusion I guess Dolby, but also do you have nothing better to do than accuse people of faking towntells?"

I'm probably making zero sense but the conclusion is that if someone in that whole debate is scum I think its Dolby. I think Evan's recent posts have had really good content and his tone seems very genuine to me. It seems like he's really trying to figure things out

Hold up

You're basically agreeing with my reads because you feel like I have a genuine tone and it's good content.

Like not to be insulting but did you even read the post you quoted? Granted you've been busy and sick, but there's a fairly decent size part of the analysis where I'm linking you and Dolby together as a scumteam because of how Dolby refuses to touch you with a 10 foot pole, and your equally lacking analysis on him (until now). How is that good content from your point of view?

I really don't like the sudden agreement and I really don't like the attempts at looking like you're producing content, when you're really not saying anything that's actually helpful. What I got out of this is "I like Evan's stuff because reasons." Why? I don't know, maybe because we're now both scumreading Dolby? This sudden Dolby scumread of yours screams convenience and distancing to me
 
I don't think Dolby is scum but he's def developing some tunnel vision rn

I still lynch Farobi is the better lynch looking at his behavior alone. I doubt I'll be switching my vote
 
I don't think Dolby is scum but he's def developing some tunnel vision rn

I still lynch Farobi is the better lynch looking at his behavior alone. I doubt I'll be switching my vote

In your eyes who are Farobi's potential teammates should he be maf?
 
Why is this site still busy enough to crash new leaf is like 20 years old, quoting got screwed
 
In your eyes who are Farobi's potential teammates should he be maf?

Tbh I haven't really been looking at teams. I don't think I will until someone flips scum. I've been looking at individual behaviors to find the first one. But if Farobi flips there's a lot of people who aren't commenting on him that it could be

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Why is this site still busy enough to crash new leaf is like 20 years old, quoting got screwed

A forum event is going on. And NL is still fun to replay :(
 
If that's a protest vote over Evan and myself not being lynchable today in your eyes why is voteswitching off Evan and onto me a protest and vote justification? Like...lol if you're not pressing that I weigh more than him on your scumminess scale that's an lolvote.
 
Let's be real here, at that point in time all Farobi really had was the sheep post of you (which was bad), there really wasn't much more to consider from him. The reason that I'm warring more than you than I would with Farobi if I actively scumread him is that you're here he's not

Vanessa has similarly not been here for the past like 150 posts

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Also I think is lock if Evan/Dad is maf

Eh I guess so? But the fact he hasn't posted much is giving you a pretty easy out on looking at what he has said. He's posted a bit more since then and idk, it seems very unlike town!you to zero in on only a couple of people without considering more possibilities or examining other people more in-depth.
 
If that's a protest vote over Evan and myself not being lynchable today in your eyes why is voteswitching off Evan and onto me a protest and vote justification? Like...lol if you're not pressing that I weigh more than him on your scumminess scale that's an lolvote.

I've come to think that Evan may possibly just being exploited by you tbh, given his acknowledgement and lack of comfort with you piggybacking with him onto me after alledgedly mindmelding with me. And if you are the only scum in this pairing, the teammate possibilities dramicitcally expand. You as scum works a lot better than the world of Evan as only scum in the pair, and I've only come to this view recently
 
Hello catching up duh @punchy

Like I said I have 5 day vacation.

Why would a scum try to stick agree one of their statement if they were teammates and one of them is good at analyzing potential teammates by now they would stay distant each other idk if you get what I mean but I think they would know the "potential team" ur talking about

Im on mobile and I cannot make good post, this is not a terrible excuse like I said I'm on vacation even Farobi knew this cuz we had to drop my sister off to their place

Imo for me Farobi is obvious scum I did not aim for his inactivity but more on his post quality I did mention that long ago go look for it I cant use my laptop atm.

I would also agree with Evan lynch as well due to lazy post quality as well this is self explanatory.

And oh if I was a scum I would have give up by now I totally mean it :rolleyes:
 
Hello catching up duh @punchy

Like I said I have 5 day vacation.

Why would a scum try to stick agree one of their statement if they were teammates and one of them is good at analyzing potential teammates by now they would stay distant each other idk if you get what I mean but I think they would know the "potential team" ur talking about

Im on mobile and I cannot make good post, this is not a terrible excuse like I said I'm on vacation even Farobi knew this cuz we had to drop my sister off to their place

Imo for me Farobi is obvious scum I did not aim for his inactivity but more on his post quality I did mention that long ago go look for it I cant use my laptop atm.

I would also agree with Evan lynch as well due to lazy post quality as well this is self explanatory.

And oh if I was a scum I would have give up by now I totally mean it :rolleyes:

You clearly haven't read fully
 
Alright before I begin this I don't believe Farobi's inactivity should be a point for sussing him, as he mentioned that he had finals in his /in post.
It's night dont summon me jeez :rolleyes:

1. What is your timezone? SGT

2. How active will you be this game? Not really but I'll try.

3. Preferred pronoun? He/Him/My Stan

4. Do you prefer being town or being mafia? Town

5. How do you handle pressure? I'll repress my irritation and try to argue against claims town or mafia.

6. Which player(s) in this game can you read the best? unravel ez

7. Which player(s) in this game can best read you? It's easy to see if I'm mafia tbh

8. How many games have you played? Quite a lot but I'm super rusty

9. Who would you fearkill N1? people who read me well
I found his laid-back attitude townish in this post and that's why I initially gut townleaned him. Also something to point out is that he followed #5 very much, possible town points. I do think that this post is a town post, giving an attitude similar to mine up to this post.

Don't know what to make out of N0 yet. I'm still getting in the swing of things and I'll be able to make better connections knowing the deaths by night's end. Antonio (temptations?) going hard on a null post is odd but his playstyle is unique to say the least, but this has been said a million times already so blegh. Don't have any leanings to place on other players yet so won't waste time on that. Mafia dont kill me tonight thx

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I will drown out all suspicions until night ends so don't think I'm scummy for not responding! I'm down for a little chat however, to allow whoever is willing to allow an exploration of another's alignments better, as long as it's not spammy :lemon:

interesting thing to note is that he did the same thing that antonio did to me but shorter, he gave a big reason to susp antonio but still gave him a null. He also avoids giving opinions with that last sentence. lowkey scummy vibes from the top part.

The bottom part is asking for people to give him the questions regarding his alignment, showing that he isn't scared to sort through it, and I give him town points for that. this also reminds me of how he acted inquiring me in RHOM in pms. Iirc he was Jailor that game, which makes me think that he is town this game as of this post.

I TR unravel, punchy, and evan. Between Dad and Dolby, I have no definitive read on either of them. Dad pushing for the idea of him being protected is odd since bianca explicitly mentioned there'd be only one kill tonight by the sk. His intentions give me mixed signals so it'll be nice to hear him out. Damniel also asks of this unclaimed protection so i'm not sure whether that's asking for actual curiousity or for the sake of appearing town. And for Dolby, he's generally suspicious and i cant read him well lmao so i'll just leave him on the same boat w/ Dad.

i can see a town thought process on evan in post #216, mainly cause i could follow a similar line of thought, but some people (dolby mainly) are picking out at it so it's either my reads are basic or dolby is an influential baddie. unravel and punchy are trs too because they're playstyle strike me as town atm, at least moreso than the rest of the players.

temptations and vanessa are a null for me. temptations i previously scumread with his inconclusive null case, but as of now it's not really something his teammates would allow of him in hindsight unless his teammates aren't active at that time. Vanessa is null because i dont recall her playstyle as much as mafia so i'll just have to read on her more. temptations more scummy than vanessa at least for me.

closest scum read i have is damniel, dad/dolby, and antonio. not super strong on them though but hey we got a week to figure this out lol

@ questions directed at me pages ago - i dont remember being in a scum team with tina from my memory. Also might've skimmed over some other questions directed at me so if anyone still retains any suspicions on me i can clear them out

as of the first sentence I see him tring evan which I actually read as a town mindset because he's not just bandwagoning onto evan, which is probably the only chance he has at surviving for this phase, and bwing onto him is something I would see as scummy. Townpoints. He is avoiding giving an opinion on Dolby and Dad, which is kind of scummy. I personally don't like his inconclusive read on damniel but I'm assuming it's a scumlean from him because he calls out a scummy thing from damniel. This means that Farobi literally called out the most skilled three players as possible scum, and I don't think Farobi would do that as scum.

Next up, he gives the reason for townleaning evan. I think that scum!farobi would blend in with the crowd if he was scum trying to gain towncred. I do think that his reasoning is valid on him, as I think Farobi has the same attitude and a similar tone to mine and I?m townreading Farobi.

I'm showing a genuine perspective in my post, not a forced overly emotional type of posting for the sake of appearing town. I won't deny I haven't really found pressing evidence against anyone yet, hence why my posts reflect this mindset, but think of my post as an update of my posted thoughts given that I haven't posted for some time. To scumread me based on "lack of town enthusiasm" is so... subjective? Should I raise signs and organize witchunts to #savetown? Riding on this line of reasoning over my actual content seems like jumping the gun for an easy picking. Especially since you mark a chunk of my wallpost as "fine".




basically "fine -> oooh a cause for suspicion -> fine"


For the most part I wasn't aiming to persuade anyone here through logic, but more so push a statement that I have similar reads with Evan and that makes me believe he has town motivation. I know I'm town, and perhaps it is only me at this time who fully knows that if the detective hasn't taken a shot at me. I townread unravel and punchy more than others not even by their universal townreads but through my own deduction. I can read unravel easily because I know her style so if I'm wrong I'll give her five buckaroos irl. Punchy's TR for me is more influenced by the thread but I firmly believe that too. Also I don't recall unravel being universally TR though I may have skimmed some parts, so the universal townread on her has nothing to do with my own townread.


Yeah, can't defend my past inactivity here. I will look back on Antonio's statements about it but my initial suspicion on him was caused by the recency when I read his statement which concluded to a big null lol, then I thought about it more and it's less pressing than I felt. He could still be a lone hostile but rn i don't seem him as part of a team.

Also, unravel please enlighten me with your quick vote on me right after Dad and Dolby brings up their negative view on it. Would be nice to hear your sole explanation as well. :lemon:

literally everyone ignored his argument in the first paragraph an by this point unravel is tunneling him and the post after this is unravel ignoring the argument. next, farobi doesn't do anything or cite any evidence for his "own detection", scummeh.

unravel literally voted farobi because of dolby and Dad sussing him, susp, unravel didn't even explain after.

js if you guys want to waste time sussing me for the entirety of the day phase at least don't make me the only person to get behind. i am literally a mafia punching bag right now.

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That was really just a passing statement. I didn't really think twice about what I said there because I did not have the mental note to consider who to kill. I guess you can understand why this is so.

First seems like AtE, but with the context he is starting to fold under the pressure of literal wallpost after wallpost

his backpedaling and call for empathy in that last line give off scummy vibes
Skimmed the thread with the scum axis discussion hulabaloo but what if me and evan are town cause that's what i'm dead set on atm.
Don't really get scummy vibes from him honestly but i tbf I skimmed like most of the thread (pls cut down on walls lol)
I'm down for an unravel lynch honestly. I do not see how Dolby would townread her for being absent while Vanessa gets branded as null for being just as inactive, so likely pair in there if she flips red. She really only actively went for me and conveniently placed her vote right as i gained suspicion and just as easily skadaddled out of the thread. Ik i said she was town-leaning before but i take that back on how ready she was to vote for me just as i posted my thoughts on the thread considering how "scumlike" my post was. I cant be too bothered to make a quote case rn but if you town please consider that switch thanks

I've literally been asking "but what if antonio is scum" for the whole game, you can see the similarities between me and farobi, and now Farobi is universally scumread, but I'm universally townread.

tbh now that I'm looking at this I might need to reconsider Dolby. Farobi has a town mindset, because it is so similar to mine this game.
fite me irl
But for real, I highly suggest against meta reading me since I already stated before that I will be more inactive in this game than usual games. Mafia!Farobi lurks in the end/mid game while actively messing around at the start, look at my latest scum game for example. If I were mafia I would enjoy the town chaos but if you look at my posts I'm not as interactive as of late or gung-ho-ing my way through the early phase. It really is just a matter of activity and if I was read solely through that'll be pretty sad. I am less certain of your alignment after your eagerness to vote when I posted instead of directly engaging me in the thread, but I'd like to believe this is a town v town and a fruitless argument.
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I hope this'll be an only early day phase thing cause b o i if this case against me drags for 5 days RIP free time lol
suggesting against using a strategy that works a lot of the time is susp because it works most of the time, scummy. citing examples of what he would do if he were mafia in the early game scenario makes me want to give him slight town cred, I don't see him doing that as scum, BUT he is using the excuse that he didn't post during early game to give him towncred, but he originally said that he wasn't posting during that time due to inactivity. Suspicious. I do agree with his point on unravel, and if you've noticed, I agree with many of his points, showing we have a similar mindset, and I'm universally townread, so that is telling.

Overall, I townlean Farobi. He has said some scummy things, but his mindset having a very similar thought process to mine, and the towny things that he has done overarches his scummyness
 
Excuse me, I explain under the voting thread. Thats not an explanation for you?
 
We are getting too scattered in our opinions on the final hours of day. Unless we can agree on someone, no one’s getting lynched at all. I still find Farobi scum for lack of contribution and clear avoidance of defending himself. Not sure how he’s getting town read now

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I still feel uncomfortable with the whole Evan/Dolby/Dad thing as it’s a mixture of valid points and nitpicking/slight tunneling. I’d have to wait until today to form a stronger opinion
 
Ugh. You know Punchy makes some decent points on Farobi and offered some believable analysis on the posts themselves.

I wish Farobi was in here to defend himself because rn I'm torn. I think it's very likely he is scum, but Punchy's shown that some of what he's said could very well be town motivated. My strongest scumlean is Vanessa, then Dolby, then Farobi being my weakest. I'm down for CFD on Vanessa if you all are.

@Dolby: So you think I could be getting coopted by Dad? Interesting. I presume I'm still a scumlean and you're just entertaining the possibility of town me, scum dad. Or are you actually changing the read?

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@unravel don't think you can get away with just grouping all my posts into "being lazy post quality." I'm actually trying to do stuff in this game/try to draw connections and I don't see you doing much of that.

If you think Farobi and I are scum then why am I parking my vote on him right now? Granted, scum!me could easily be using Punchy's analysis as an excuse to move off of him before EoD, but your lack of team synergy analysis is what concerns me here. If anything, I'd be teamed with Dad and Antonio, not Farobi
 
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