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Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

Really? I can't say something like "Y'all know what to do"?

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By that, I mean to look into punchy.

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or something like: "Told ya I was town"

You can say the below because it's something that is obvious and true, the above is iffy but def nothing that explicit susses a person. Mafia games on other forums don't even allow the dead to post at all. On TBT, it's just to give a polite farewell

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*Obviously if you were to flip town, it would be true I mean
 
You can say the below because it's something that is obvious and true, the above is iffy but def nothing that explicit susses a person. Mafia games on other forums don't even allow the dead to post at all. On TBT, it's just to give a polite farewell

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*Obviously if you were to flip town, it would be true I mean

Ah ok.

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I'm off to bed.

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Sorry for the short reply. :c
 
@Dad
Evan I've moved to townleaning if just because our reads align so well.

iirc dad posted his reads later that Evans so he might be piggybacking. if either of them flip scum the other is susp

this is also a lazy read by dad, literally one sentance

A lot of the reads he had matches up with reads I had all the way back in N0, particularly his scumreads which I give the most weight. I'm pretty busy atm and there's a reason it's a lean: the lynch priority and scumreads of his are shared in a way that demonstrates significant independent analysis. Given the bulk of agreement that one-line read represents, that's squarely where I stand on the person.

Maybe if you were reading and not just tunneling Antonio you'd remember I had an earlier readslist.
 
I haven't even looked at Dolby's response to this but this it taking it out of its context iirc

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sacrificing yourself isnt a good play at all smh what town would think that

Sorry for not snipping the whole quote, mobile posting.

But it's actually not taken out of context and refers to how for someone of similar experience to suspect someone and constantly point at a micro read because it's illogical I would expect him not to feel so certain about it because both new and intermediate players will often come to a conclusion with bad logic and flip town despite it and I can say with my experience that this is common enough through multiple site metas to make me question why someone of the same experience amount would isolate a micro-read like that and feel solid about it being a scumtell. That's scummy approach and I know from very fresh experience that Dolby doesn't conclude this way as town.

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I don?t have my laptop with me currently, so I can?t reply to Temptations response, but since it?s a majority lynch, we need to reach an agreement.

There?s A LOT of people who haven?t voiced their main suspicions for today, and it?s important that you guys voice your opinions. (Giving GhostKid a break). Ik today is a holiday but we only have little over a day left so pls post

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Okay it?s actually just Vampnessa, Dad, and Farobi who still need to indicate who they want to vote for

Dolby, Farobi, or Vanessa.

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Somebody not on mobile tally the current votes ty

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I'll give it that Punchy isn't the only one in a tunnel because you are too Antonio.
Trying to influence wagons > martyrdom.

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Maj is still 5 if we treat this as 9 and not 10, given GhostKid is disappearing.
 
Punchy- 1
Temptations

Farobi- 3
Unravel
Daniel
Evan

Evan- 2
Punchy
Dolby

Yet to vote: Dad, Vampnessa, Farobi, and GhostKid
 
I'm willing to vote Farobi since 2/3 of my townreads are on it but but I'm wary of putting it at L-1 in the current threadstate.

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Need to check Dolby + Farobi association too sometime tonight.
 
9:30 PM, work tomorrow at 9 AM. These are gonna be brief

Townleans
Damniel-Solidly in town territory right here. I feel that he's been actively solving and providing thoughts that I'd expect from him just on a behavioral look into the slot. Frankly I'd say that he has marginally anti-SK spew (which is why he's top rn) from him going after the Jacob slot N0 as well (notwithstanding reverse psyche): if you want your case to have future value you aren't going to head off and kill off the one person who you have early content on.
Unravel-Placement is pretty static, they haven't posted since the 21st and I have nothing new to say on the slot, but I don't consider her parking her vote on Farobi to be a scum move, and she has been going after him pretty consistantly. Should Farobi flip maf she's clear to state the obvious.
They've also had a few particularly good thoughts early game that I liked (against new player bias for instance).
Punchy-Yeah, his vote puts me as disaligned with the scum axis at the very least. Pretty lazy read on my part. His actions on the other hand (deathtunneling Antonio), are pretty conductive of a non-maf aligned player.
Farobi-def a weird one and one of two changes from last time, but this is a read purely based on a anti-align. There is no world in which scum Evan votes Farobi here (I've vasiciated on their pairing 20 times by now, but time I'm comfortable sticking with it). His content is frankly lackluster, and the only point that I have in his favor is that he isnt going for the easy MLs. This isn't so much an actual townread and more a statement that I don't think that Farobi is in the Dad/Evan axis of evil

Null
Vanessa-has surprisingly left no impression on me. None at all. Even less significant than Gavin honestly. I can't remember a single one of their posts, but frankly they're anti-aligned with the Dad/Evan axis, so that's enough to keep them out of my lynch pool
Gavin-Do I even need to explain

Hypothetical
Antonio-Has left me with a somewhat scummy vibe but not nearly as distinct as Evan/Dad does now. They're here right now because frankly, besides Gavin, I think that they're the only person who really works with a Dad/Evan team unless I want to consider Evan making that crosspush on Vanessa, but frankly I don't think that either of them are looking to scumread their remaining teammate right now if paired. Antonio is really the only player that works with either or both of them (particularly with the case of Evan). Evan's been clinging to a Dad townread like a baby koala from his first D1 post while he debased all his others. Dad's been treating the slot as caustiously null/TL for most of the game and been careful to not scumread it (what I think Dad did with his Evan read N0, again, notwithstanding)

But as to his content, he's in a defensive tunnel on Punchy. He was casting a self-sacrifice (which, like Dad's N0 reads, matter less due to lengthened phases). Probably the only thing of his that I like is trying to hold Punchy accountable for his Farobi N0 town toneread, but that was weak as hell and left out crucial context, Punchy had reversed it. Scum files reminds me of a common level 2 tactic to make a big case of someone and null read them to try to avoid inactivity and the controversy of a read. I mentioned earlier that I felt that he had anti-aligns with everyone but Dad, and look who I'm scumreading now. This read kinda sucks for a person who has 50 posts, but those 50 posts encompass Scum Files and three other distinct thoughts (Punchy/Farobi, self-voting, game balance, and Punchy again) because he's had to field questions on all of them

The Axis of Evil
Dad and Evan-You know this already. I feel no more need to explain my read on Evan. His progression on Dad is so characteristic of mafia elevation that I can't even. He's his only firm townread initially, and has said nothing but praise. In addition, Dad's gone from "mindmelding" with me on Evan's flaws, to creating his own me/Vanessa/Farobi axis with Evan. GN

I want to leave stressing that we're gonna have to unity lynch at some point today. If we no lynch there's like a 50% chance that it's GG tomorrow. I'd rather take the chance on something that we control. Good night
 
Reading up after Christmas celebrations. Initial thought is that I'm a little freaked at how Dad is aligning with me now and while I don't think that makes him 100% scum, it does smack of buddying for me. Just the way he's describing my posts and thought processes seems a little over the top and atypical of him, you know? While something to keep tabs on, nothing here really changes my view on who's scum atm.

The vote is a bit too close for comfort for me. I knew Dolby would vote me. I'll claim if I need to but really, I think Farobi's scumminess is pretty demonstrable. Farobi/Dolby/Vanessa remains my axis of evil and is very plausible and compatible, given Dolby's change of heart on Farobi.

Farobi-def a weird one and one of two changes from last time, but this is a read purely based on a anti-align. There is no world in which scum Evan votes Farobi here (I've vasiciated on their pairing 20 times by now, but time I'm comfortable sticking with it). His content is frankly lackluster, and the only point that I have in his favor is that he isnt going for the easy MLs. This isn't so much an actual townread and more a statement that I don't think that Farobi is in the Dad/Evan axis of evil

What this is pretty much saying is that Farobi is only a very weak townlean because he can't possibly be scum with Dad and me. I love how Dolby mentions that scum!me would never vote for Farobi, and then concludes that must mean I'm still scum and Farobi is good, rather than consider the possibility of me being good and Farobi being the scum. Hopefully when Farobi flips, he'll start to reconsider. ;) I doubt that though, given they're on the same team, which begins with "m" and ends in "afia."
 
Reading up after Christmas celebrations. Initial thought is that I'm a little freaked at how Dad is aligning with me now and while I don't think that makes him 100% scum, it does smack of buddying for me. Just the way he's describing my posts and thought processes seems a little over the top and atypical of him, you know? While something to keep tabs on, nothing here really changes my view on who's scum atm.

The vote is a bit too close for comfort for me. I knew Dolby would vote me. I'll claim if I need to but really, I think Farobi's scumminess is pretty demonstrable. Farobi/Dolby/Vanessa remains my axis of evil and is very plausible and compatible, given Dolby's change of heart on Farobi.



What this is pretty much saying is that Farobi is only a very weak townlean because he can't possibly be scum with Dad and me. I love how Dolby mentions that scum!me would never vote for Farobi, and then concludes that must mean I'm still scum and Farobi is good, rather than consider the possibility of me being good and Farobi being the scum. Hopefully when Farobi flips, he'll start to reconsider. ;) I doubt that though, given they're on the same team, which begins with "m" and ends in "afia."

Actually, this is one of the things looking back that I felt deserved more attention here, why you're more sus than Farobi in my eyes. I really can't figure out a world where Farobi is mafia. He's defenetely not with you or unravel, I personally believe that he's not with Dad or Damniel (Dan's vote I feel was crucial to making the wagon a leading one). So what does that leave? Some combination of Punchy, Antonio, Vanessa, and Gavin as potential teammates if I'm to believe that Farobi is scum. Ignoring Gavin for the moment (just assuming he's not mafia, but he's given us nothing to read thus far), it has to be either Farobi/Vanessa/Punchy in that case or Farobi/Vanessa/Antonio because there is no world at this point where Punchy and Antonio are teamed where Farobi is a maf. Basically the reason that I townread Farobi is that he was so many anti-aligns that I struggle to create a world where he's scum exempting that at least one of his teammates is inactive. The world where Evan's mafia is an admitidly narrower world: Evan's teammed with a combination of three players rather than four (Dad, Antonio, and Gavin), but the links between Evan and Dad are MUCH more evident than any between Farobi and Vanessa. I can trace and even predicted Dad's path to TLing Evan after what I view as a death distance from him N0

I also have serious doubts about mafia having THIS much of a lack of thread presence for the Farobi/Vanessa world. Like, they've had no presence at all.
 
If there's 3 scum, wouldn't KP be 2 with addition the the SK kill?

What's the KP based on? Set to 1 or on the number of scum alive? And if a majority is reached, does day end early?

Mafia's Kill is set to 1.

We are also going by the time deadline even if majority is reached earlier. That will give enough time for everyone to consider/reconsider their votes just in case.

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Gavin will be replaced by toadsworthy next.

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9:30 PM, work tomorrow at 9 AM. These are gonna be brief

Work hard and long for the Eternal President

Anyways I have an issue with your town read on Farobi in that it’s based on that they could not be on a scum team with your SLs.

I agree that we should lynch today, but I still believe we should Lynch farobi. Their behavior is still scummy and less explaininable as town. His flip would be a lot Moreno telling than lynching Evan today imo
 
It’s ya boi salty fresh coming in to raise your blood pressure if the holidays didn’t do it enough :)

I literally just agreed to replace, don’t know for who or what role. I haven’t gotten my PM yet.... I will read up to catch up tonight when I’m home from work and will post my thoughts then. I have not read a single post of this game because I didn’t give a hoot. Ask me questions if you like, but don’t expect a response until sometime tonight.
 
Skimmed the thread with the scum axis discussion hulabaloo but what if me and evan are town cause that's what i'm dead set on atm.
Don't really get scummy vibes from him honestly but i tbf I skimmed like most of the thread (pls cut down on walls lol)

I'm down for an unravel lynch honestly. I do not see how Dolby would townread her for being absent while Vanessa gets branded as null for being just as inactive, so likely pair in there if she flips red. She really only actively went for me and conveniently placed her vote right as i gained suspicion and just as easily skadaddled out of the thread. Ik i said she was town-leaning before but i take that back on how ready she was to vote for me just as i posted my thoughts on the thread considering how "scumlike" my post was. I cant be too bothered to make a quote case rn but if you town please consider that switch thanks
 
I feel uneasy on how you’re not defending yourself at all other than just saying you’re town. Also Unravel is an unrealistic lynch (I think she’s town tbh) and I’m pretty sure you’re just voting like that, so there’s no majority and lynch at all (which would harm town)

A lot has happened since you last posted and your short response and overall lack of substance is sus

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Also I should mention that after my interaction with Temptations, I’m leaning more towards him being town now. So I’m a lot more for a Farobi lynch now
 
I literally have not read the thread for five days due to not feeling well + Christmas stuff, rip
I will attempt to catch up throughout the day but I'm still over at relatives so I don't know how successful that will be. Just a heads up
 
I want to keep Farobi alive for one particular meta reason, at least for N1. I want to see his reaction to the lynch, and if it seems artificial then I will be susp of him. Farobi does make a good point over unravel and Vanessa, however. I'm going to make an ISO over him, in the unlikely case that he might be town
 
I'm down for an unravel lynch honestly. I do not see how Dolby would townread her for being absent while Vanessa gets branded as null for being just as inactive, so likely pair in there if she flips red. She really only actively went for me and conveniently placed her vote right as i gained suspicion and just as easily skadaddled out of the thread.

#94
Chances are people are gonna jump on bandwagon which is a free kill for hostile team and theres one thing you guys forget, farobi hasn't posted anything ever since which gave me a lil bit of scummy vibe from what I've recalled correctly he is usually active as town but not so much as mafia idk how he plays as third party I'll give null on dub and slight scummy from Farobi
Saw you Farobi

Farobi keeps spamming

Dad and Dolby working together but I'm scared to townlean both of them if theyre both town then its possible either Farobi, Damniel and Jacob are scum

Also, unravel please enlighten me with your quick vote on me right after Dad and Dolby brings up their negative view on it. Would be nice to hear your sole explanation as well. :lemon:
Revisionism, she had been after you most of the day in some form or another. Before the post where she voted you you had literally 2 posts and that third was just bad. It also served to push me over the edge to SL you to

Unravel had left a distinctly townie impression and frankly I don't think that they're intentionally inactive as scum at this point in time during day. Her lack of activity since doesn't change the townish feel I got from her earlier, whereas Vanessa is just meh

I will vote this slot if it gets closer to EoD and it's clear that this wagon has the support but I still vastly prefer a Evan/Dad lynch

(ya know, what if Farobi is vig switch and Evan is something actually useful to maf)
 
That's not 100% at all lmao, you were casting doubt on a reason I can't be aligned with Antonio here by bringing up a past game except I looked at the timing and I was online at the time so you not taking ownership of an actual meta-read like this makes me scumread you. Even moreso if Antonio flips town.
When you say cross-reference here do you mean comparing this game to a past scum or town game of theirs? If you're too lazy to do Punchy and Antonio why would you even set up the expectation that you'd do it for Dolby? That's a much harder player. Not that I'm telling you not to because I'd be interested in seeing the work.
The unravel point in this post just feels like an easy read to have on her and justify unease with, not that I disagree with it.


I wasn't actually trying to cast suspicion on you/Antonio being paired with that post. If I was I would've gone and quoted posts from the other game or something. I just saw you say you and Antonio can't be paired because you wouldn't let him post the scum files or whatever you said, and in my head I was like "haha remember the good old days when you actually were paired and he posted something without your permission" so I posted that as a joke. Like I do think "I wouldn't let xxx do that if we were partners" is a dumb reason in general and people shouldn't write ANYONE off for that reason, but I wasn't trying to claim you and Antonio were scum in this particular situation. You blew my one-liner way out of proportion

Idk what the point of your second point is but you're right I probably am too lazy to cross reference Dolbys other games. Like I believe I should do it and kind of wrote it to remind myself but will I actually? Possibly not. I'd really like to look into Antonio/punchy before this day ends but I really might not have time

So your third point is basically saying that it's a fair point that you might agree with but it's too easy of a point? What do you want from me :(

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Next up: Evan's giant post
Note that I'm quoting and responding to all of these giant things on mobile

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These are my various thoughts on people. This will both indirectly and sometimes directly address some of the points raised against me or my analysis, or simply supersede prior analysis I have already given.

Speaking of Jacob, the only positions he stated before dying were scumleans on unravel and me, and a townlean on dad. I don't believe he gave a reason on unravel but he didn't like my "dad fixation," which I have already addressed before.

Townleans: Punchy, Dad, Damniel, Temptations
Null: unravel
Scumleans: Farobi, Vampnessa, Dolby
Nobody cares because they'll die anyway: Delphine. Probably vanilla townie R I P

Possible scumteams in order of likelihood: Dolby/Vanessa, Vampnessa/Farobi, Dolby/Vampnessa/Farobi, Farobi/unravel, Delphine/some poor chap or lass in my scumreads stuck with an inactive.

Damniel has proven himself imo. What I felt was sketchy at the start has been superseded by generally solid participation and content as time has gone on. And I don't see him as super compatible with Vampnessa or Farobi, could maybe see him with Dolby but I think Vampnessa is a much more likely teammate, which I explain later on.

Punchy's doing everything I would expect him to do as town.

Dad and Vampnessa are wholly incompatible and likely on different teams and I'm betting, for now, that Dad is the town. Call it buddying all you want but I really don't see scummy behavior from him.

Vampnessa, on the other hand, strikes me as fairly scummy. I said she was an easy target because she does come under a lot of pressure most games, whatever her alignment. But after seeing her behavior and interactions with Dolby in particular, I feel I may have figured this out.



This beaut right here smacks of straddling lines. "Yeah I think you may have some good points on Evan but you're going too hard lol just chill bro." Like wtf? Seems very much like she's trying to gain my confidence by putting up a facade of disagreement with Dolby, but also trying to not put off Dolby too much by saying he has good points. Like really if you think his points are correct then you should probably be voting me by now, not reacting like "oh they may be right but it's a reach." Really? If it's a reach then the points are not right to begin with. The phrasing makes little sense.

Honestly Dolby/Vampnessa as as scumteam is not only terrifying but likely, given just how much blatantly fake interaction I see between them. It seems pretty similar to what Dolby and I pulled off as scums in Hunger Games mafia, where we carefully tiptoed between agreement and disagreement throughout the game (ie not getting confrontational but avoiding each other almost), then when the time was right just start tunnelling the **** out of each other. Vampy and Dolby obviously haven't gotten to the "tunnelling the **** out of each other" part since it's early game, but there is definitely something weird going on between them. Makes perfect sense why Dolby would latch on to me and practically ignore Vampy in his analysis and sneak her into his nulls.

Dolby's line about "townreading Jacob ain't gonna make me townread you" does feel overly dismissive and antagonistic when I knew my point was lameass anyway. It was a throwaway "RIP Jacob" line and I didn't want to air my townlean hunch until after N0.



Yeah I can? Whether you think it's right or not, I don't think you can completely discount the logic. Punchy's read is likely wrong; therefore Antonio is likely town. Frankly it's hard to find much Antonio has done that is directly town-beneficial but I am basing my read on instinct and what I know about how he plays. Punchy was just pointing things out that, in a vacuum may make him look scummy, but entirely lines up with what I know about Antonio's town play. Sorry if you don?t like that but *shrugs*

Vampnessa is technically right in that Dolby does seem to make some good points that, when ignoring context of this game, makes me look bad. However she lacks the reasoning/does not go the extra step to actually form a conclusion about me, and that sets off my alarm bells. And my conclusion is this: I think it's pretty clear Dolby is trying to off me because he knows I'm really town. And since he's always good at making a case for practically anything, he dove through what I "usually" do to that end. Problem is that I'm waking up to that reality and not everyone else really believes him either given how tunnelly and reachy it is. I?m focusing more on scums this game given how there?s less of them to go around, and the towns are frankly rather obvious and half of them (Punchy, Temptations) are not playing very optimally in my view because they?re wrapped around the axle trying to destroy each other.

Now I know everyone and their grandma is going to paint this as me OMGUSing Dolby because he susses me, and Dolby is going to look at how much more analysis I gave on who?s scum vs. who?s town. But I do think that him being scum is a palpable explanation for the Dolby/Vampnessa behavior and I need to flesh out my thought process why. If I was really OMGUS'ing then I'd have scumread him after he started diatribing against me.

The one hole in my Dolby read is how he's interacting with Farobi atm. I don't see much reason for scum!Dolby to off Farobi OVER me right now, especially given how much Dolby's focused on me. This opens up the possibility of Farobi not being scum and there being only two scums on the maf team, OR perhaps Dolby just views Farobi as too big of a liability and would use the death as cred to get me out the following vote? Not sure. Either way I think that with the lack of a clear town leader post-Jacob, Dolby's trying to slyly fill that void.

Farobi/unravel is a fairly unlikely pairing in my sight due to them going after each other. It doesn't feel coordinated or distancing since unravel has been casting doubt on Farobi ever since he was inactive at the start. Unravel remains a big fat null for me tbh. If they were really a team, I can't see them pulling off such distancing through the course of the entire game. My farobi read is admittedly the most piggybacky of my positions but I generally agree that what he's done so far has just been blatantly meh and trying to please everyone instead of actually trying to find scums.

The problem is, are there two scums or three? In a game of 11, with the switching powers maf has, an 8-3 split vs. a 9-2 split...honestly both are feasible.

My vote is probably going on Vampnessa or Farobi this phase, leaning much more towards Vampnessa though. And when she flips scum, you can bet Dolby should be next.

I?ve been writing this awhile so if you want me to address anything in particular, feel free to hmu/quote relevant portions.

Sorry I just can't cut this quote down on mobile it would take forever

But what I meant by my post about you and Dolby, as confusing and sketchy as my wording may have been, was that while the points Dolby was bringing up about you technically made sense, I thought he was nitpicking. Like, when I read it I could understand how he was deciding to scumread you, but the fact that he was reaching that far for points really just made HIM look scummy.

I'm not done reading all your interactions but I saw one post where he claimed you were faking a towntell and I had the same reaction I'm trying to describe now. Like "yeah if I put my 50 pairs of analysis glasses on I can see how you made that conclusion I guess Dolby, but also do you have nothing better to do than accuse people of faking towntells?"

I'm probably making zero sense but the conclusion is that if someone in that whole debate is scum I think its Dolby. I think Evan's recent posts have had really good content and his tone seems very genuine to me. It seems like he's really trying to figure things out
 
I'd also like to point out that evan had the same reaction that I had when Dolby townread me when evan realized that Dad had literally the exact same reads as him.

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if farobi is scum unravel might have been trying to gain towncred when she scumread farobi and told one of her scum friends to sus him and when he flips people would be like "oh she scumread farobi far earlier than anyone else so she's town"
 
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