Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[Antonio]

Hey guys, I have been busy today with personal family matters so I didn't have to check the thread until right now. My reads post isn't finished but I gonna post what I have, if that's alright. I won't be back on until tommorow, aswell. I hope you all have a nice day!

I'll be also chagning my vote to Farobi so we can reach that majority.
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Reads

Sorry for the delay on these, it?s been a busy week for me.

The Scummies:

Punchy - Out of all the Scummies, he is numero uno. Instead of posting my reads on him here, I would rather make a separate post about Punchy if that is alright with everyone. I had said many things on him as well, so i ain?t avoiding making an opinion on Punchy. I just need a seperate post.

Scummish Dummish:

Farobi - I have actually talked about him before. His last post was 5 days ago (as I have been writing this post) and he has only posted 7 times since me writing this. I can understand if he is busy but he could?ve posted more before then. Even then, him susing unravel feels like he is going after him because he was the first person too vote for him.
Dad - There have been two things that Dad has said that didn?t sit right with me. Not sure if these are actually scummy but they feel too off to be townie. Here are my examples:

Spoiler: Example 1

Dad called out Damniel for having the same reaction as him, even though Damniel before him

Who spends that much time on just a null post. Do you not have any stronger reads?

I don't like this if just because it piggybacks my initial reaction.

Well we posted at the same time basically, don?t think I piggybacked you

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Actually what the heck I posted before you

Dad even explained himself:

Looked back and you're right. I immediately jumped on you for the answer showing up right after my post and this checks out, piggyback accusation redacted.

It takes me a while to make a post on mobile at work so I wasn't piggybacking you either while we're on the subject. Having the same initial reaction independently is why it stands out.

I don?t actually get this answer. As a guy who uses mobile often, once you post something then all the other posts will appear above my posted post (not after it) and even then, there were about 2-3 other posts separating Damniel?s post and Dad?s post so even if he was on mobile, he would have to scroll up to see that post or at least I would have to on my phone. There are about 2 hours separating Dad?s and Damniel?s post as well. l

Spoiler: Example 2

Dad town reading Evan because his reads align with his? Yes, I called out punchy for following Dolby on this but I have my own different opinions on Dad as well and I am not changing my vote as Punchy did.

Evan I've moved to town leaning if just because our reads align so well.

Just because someone agrees with you doesn?t make them more or less Town.

These two examples just don't sit right with me but he has been active.

Nulls - Dolby, Evan, GhostKid, Vanessa
Towns - Unravel, Damniel

 

[Dolby]

@Dolby: So you think I could be getting coopted by Dad? Interesting. I presume I'm still a scumlean and you're just entertaining the possibility of town me, scum dad. Or are you actually changing the read?

Yeah you're still a SL. Frankly I think your first post connects way much to scum Dad, given your meta and how he was your only non-debased townlean

Personally the biggest thing that makes me TR Farobi is that the scum axis is going against him

Frankly, I would not at all be opposed to any lynch that isn't in my TLs at this point

 

[Antonio]

Also, that statement on me changing my vote was added before I decide to change my vote to farobi so we can reach the majority. If farobi does flip, then unravel is confirmed town and punchy earlier reactions to farobi should be brought up even if he changed his mind. I'm off now, peace!

 

[amazonevan19]

for ****'s sake we let Antonio get us to maj??

I really don't like how he only gives explanations on his scums and gives literally no thoughts on his townreads, and he also has a ton of nulls for this stage in the game. Granted he said he's giving us what he has, and he's dealing with IRL stuff...but this "oh I'll wait to give my thoughts on the rest until after EoD" rubs me the wrong way.

Question is, does this reflect town or scum meta? I also can see this as a busy dude just trying to be as helpful as he can be

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With Punchy's defense of Farobi, I can see a Punchy/Farobi team, though I really doubt scum!Punchy would go into this much effort to off his teammate at this late stage. That kind of effort is something I only see a town!Punchy trying to do.

Delphine/Ghostkid/Toads could def be SK given how neither Delphine nor Ghostkid did anything

Farobi could be SK as well pretty easily. Even though he's compatible with Vanessa, I'm having a harder time drawing the line between him and Dolby. Given his minimal effort, he could just be trying to blend in and not get in trouble.

 

[Damniel]

Delphine could not be SK as a kill was sent N0 and they were not playing the game

 

[PunchyTheCat]

oh my dearsies

ACTIVITY IS NOT SOMETHING ANYONE SHOULD BE SUSSED FOR, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS THE ONLY POINT AGAINST HIM.

thanks

 

[amazonevan19]

Delphine could not be SK as a kill was sent N0 and they were not playing the game

I was going to check activity before I posted that but figured I might as well speculate on it. Ok back to potential Farobi SK in which case, today's vote isn't a total waste.

 

[Geoni]

I've come to think that Evan may possibly just being exploited by you tbh, given his acknowledgement and lack of comfort with you piggybacking with him onto me after alledgedly mindmelding with me. And if you are the only scum in this pairing, the teammate possibilities dramicitcally expand. You as scum works a lot better than the world of Evan as only scum in the pair, and I've only come to this view recently

That's is a really rapid change of view from from 'Evan and Dad are lock w/w' to 'Evan is t Dad is w' and you admitting that just comes off as overly self aware and it's things like this that give me the scum tone.

I'm very much wishing to vote you because you're not wrong about Farobi having a lot of anti-aligns and you being one of them throws me off but that doesn't matter because you know how to distance and voteswitched anyways.

Farobi still feels underwhelming and going after unravel here is kinda low hanging fruit. Not as much as the Delphine slot but unravel had legit gone inactive.

I'd be able to wall battle with you were I in better access of a real keyboard and your readslist has a lot of stuff worth addressing. I'm going to continue arguing that your aggressive tone continues to flag me as far too quickly conclusive about your worlds given how you were a lot more compromising about looking at things from a different angle there, and in addition to that you are really easily townreading certain people such as Damniel for the same reasons other people have given so I don't see open uncertainty or questioning from you about settling on townreading certain slots like you did in the Hydra.

 

[Biancasbotique]

HOST ANNOUNCEMENT:

Day 1 will end in two hours and thirty minutes. Check the voting thread for current status. Thanks

 

[PunchyTheCat]

@Bianca 48 hour nights please

 

[Damniel]

oh my dearsies

ACTIVITY IS NOT SOMETHING ANYONE SHOULD BE SUSSED FOR, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS THE ONLY POINT AGAINST HIM.

thanks

Who are you talking about that believes Farobi is sus soley for his inactivity?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Yeah you're still a SL. Frankly I think your first post connects way much to scum Dad, given your meta and how he was your only non-debased townlean

Personally the biggest thing that makes me TR Farobi is that the scum axis is going against him

Frankly, I would not at all be opposed to any lynch that isn't in my TLs at this point

vote Evan please we're not CFD'ing Dad, the only CFD I'm for is unravel

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Antonio is going after Farobi for his activity and his activity only

 

[Biancasbotique]

@Bianca 48 hour nights please

I'll consider it if all actions have been sent in.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

He's alos bandwagoning to get towncred, and he has four nulls

three are unexplained

 

[Damniel]

I'll consider it if all actions have been sent in.

Pls the game would go on forever unnecessarily with such long nights

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11-14 Players needed This mafia consists of 96 hour days (4 days) and 48 hours nights (2 days)

The OP also says it

 

[Dolby]

Going into this it's Farobi/Vanessa/Punchy or Evan/Dad/Antonio in my eyes despite Antonio's Dad SL. Possibly with the Toads slot on either of the teams. If Unravel or especially Dan are scum I'm way off, but I feel pretty solidly that one of these two alignments is 2/3rds scum and I'm better on Dad/Evan

Hey guys, I have been busy today with personal family matters so I didn't have to check the thread until right now. My reads post isn't finished but I gonna post what I have, if that's alright. I won't be back on until tommorow, aswell. I hope you all have a nice day!

I'll be also chagning my vote to Farobi so we can reach that majority.
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Reads

Sorry for the delay on these, it?s been a busy week for me.

The Scummies:

Punchy - Out of all the Scummies, he is numero uno. Instead of posting my reads on him here, I would rather make a separate post about Punchy if that is alright with everyone. I had said many things on him as well, so i ain?t avoiding making an opinion on Punchy. I just need a seperate post.

Scummish Dummish:

Farobi - I have actually talked about him before. His last post was 5 days ago (as I have been writing this post) and he has only posted 7 times since me writing this. I can understand if he is busy but he could?ve posted more before then. Even then, him susing unravel feels like he is going after him because he was the first person too vote for him.
Dad - There have been two things that Dad has said that didn?t sit right with me. Not sure if these are actually scummy but they feel too off to be townie. Here are my examples:

Spoiler: Example 1

Dad called out Damniel for having the same reaction as him, even though Damniel before him




Dad even explained himself:



I don?t actually get this answer. As a guy who uses mobile often, once you post something then all the other posts will appear above my posted post (not after it) and even then, there were about 2-3 other posts separating Damniel?s post and Dad?s post so even if he was on mobile, he would have to scroll up to see that post or at least I would have to on my phone. There are about 2 hours separating Dad?s and Damniel?s post as well. l

Spoiler: Example 2

Dad town reading Evan because his reads align with his? Yes, I called out punchy for following Dolby on this but I have my own different opinions on Dad as well and I am not changing my vote as Punchy did.




Just because someone agrees with you doesn?t make them more or less Town.

These two examples just don't sit right with me but he has been active.

Nulls - Dolby, Evan, GhostKid, Vanessa
Towns - Unravel, Damniel

Gonna break this down. I have mixed feelings about this post because I feel like this is something that town makes and has legit maj concerns despite but imo there's a lack of reason. Frankly I don't like that he's holding onto the Punchy tunnel, but hasn't really explained what has changed for him to move him from null to scum since Scum Files TM. I want to like that he's calling out Dad, because Dad/Evan/Antonio was the team I had before this, but as a whole his reads don't really have any backing behind them. It's approaching EoD so I'm going to be forced to vote Farobi to obtain maj and hope that he's scum as such, because Antonio is forced to vote for Farobi, regardless of his alignment, he has the freedom as scum to bus his teammates in here and change his view in the coming weeks.

The reads, except for his Dad one, don't have anything behind it, this is just a post justifying that he has to vote Farobi, as such, this changes nothing on my view of the scum team

for ****'s sake we let Antonio get us to maj??

I really don't like how he only gives explanations on his scums and gives literally no thoughts on his townreads, and he also has a ton of nulls for this stage in the game. Granted he said he's giving us what he has, and he's dealing with IRL stuff...but this "oh I'll wait to give my thoughts on the rest until after EoD" rubs me the wrong way.

Question is, does this reflect town or scum meta? I also can see this as a busy dude just trying to be as helpful as he can be

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With Punchy's defense of Farobi, I can see a Punchy/Farobi team, though I really doubt scum!Punchy would go into this much effort to off his teammate at this late stage. That kind of effort is something I only see a town!Punchy trying to do.

Delphine/Ghostkid/Toads could def be SK given how neither Delphine nor Ghostkid did anything

Farobi could be SK as well pretty easily. Even though he's compatible with Vanessa, I'm having a harder time drawing the line between him and Dolby. Given his minimal effort, he could just be trying to blend in and not get in trouble.

This isn't maj

How are Farobi/Vanessa compatible? I've not seen a solid justification for this, or me/Vanessa for that matter

I was going to check activity before I posted that but figured I might as well speculate on it. Ok back to potential Farobi SK in which case, today's vote isn't a total waste.

Nah fam, you're worried for tomorrow. Sure a great time to realize Farobi is potential SK

 

[Geoni]

Alright before I begin this I don't believe Farobi's inactivity should be a point for sussing him, as he mentioned that he had finals in his /in post.

I found his laid-back attitude townish in this post and that's why I initially gut townleaned him. Also something to point out is that he followed #5 very much, possible town points. I do think that this post is a town post, giving an attitude similar to mine up to this post.



interesting thing to note is that he did the same thing that antonio did to me but shorter, he gave a big reason to susp antonio but still gave him a null. He also avoids giving opinions with that last sentence. lowkey scummy vibes from the top part.

The bottom part is asking for people to give him the questions regarding his alignment, showing that he isn't scared to sort through it, and I give him town points for that. this also reminds me of how he acted inquiring me in RHOM in pms. Iirc he was Jailor that game, which makes me think that he is town this game as of this post.



as of the first sentence I see him tring evan which I actually read as a town mindset because he's not just bandwagoning onto evan, which is probably the only chance he has at surviving for this phase, and bwing onto him is something I would see as scummy. Townpoints. He is avoiding giving an opinion on Dolby and Dad, which is kind of scummy. I personally don't like his inconclusive read on damniel but I'm assuming it's a scumlean from him because he calls out a scummy thing from damniel. This means that Farobi literally called out the most skilled three players as possible scum, and I don't think Farobi would do that as scum.

Next up, he gives the reason for townleaning evan. I think that scum!farobi would blend in with the crowd if he was scum trying to gain towncred. I do think that his reasoning is valid on him, as I think Farobi has the same attitude and a similar tone to mine and I’m townreading Farobi.



literally everyone ignored his argument in the first paragraph an by this point unravel is tunneling him and the post after this is unravel ignoring the argument. next, farobi doesn't do anything or cite any evidence for his "own detection", scummeh.

unravel literally voted farobi because of dolby and Dad sussing him, susp, unravel didn't even explain after.



First seems like AtE, but with the context he is starting to fold under the pressure of literal wallpost after wallpost

his backpedaling and call for empathy in that last line give off scummy vibes


I've literally been asking "but what if antonio is scum" for the whole game, you can see the similarities between me and farobi, and now Farobi is universally scumread, but I'm universally townread.

tbh now that I'm looking at this I might need to reconsider Dolby. Farobi has a town mindset, because it is so similar to mine this game.

suggesting against using a strategy that works a lot of the time is susp because it works most of the time, scummy. citing examples of what he would do if he were mafia in the early game scenario makes me want to give him slight town cred, I don't see him doing that as scum, BUT he is using the excuse that he didn't post during early game to give him towncred, but he originally said that he wasn't posting during that time due to inactivity. Suspicious. I do agree with his point on unravel, and if you've noticed, I agree with many of his points, showing we have a similar mindset, and I'm universally townread, so that is telling.

Overall, I townlean Farobi. He has said some scummy things, but his mindset having a very similar thought process to mine, and the towny things that he has done overarches his scummyness

Lynch not going in the direction you want them to? Half of the stuff you point out is scummy behavior, why does (according to you) the towniness of him having a similar attitude to you and that he's not trying harder to blend in weigh more for you than a lot of these other points you find scummy? If there were any wall to have a null read by the end of it this is the one because you are really half half on town moments and scum moments but you are instead leaning on town which is why it pings me during this threadstate (EoD) as potentially defensive.

Also I'm not townreading you and can easily see you paired with Farobi or Dolby as you assist in building the world where myself, Evan, Antonio, and maybe unravel are scum. I'm not entirely sure where you are standing on unrabel but it feels implied that you find her sus when you defend Farobi here.

 

[Dolby]

vote Evan please we're not CFD'ing Dad, the only CFD I'm for is unravel

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Antonio is going after Farobi for his activity and his activity only

I'll hold onto hope for the next hour

 

[unravel]

CAN WE JUST EXTEND THIS FOR A DAY AND LETS GET OVER WITH ASKNKDLASKJDAKJNALNA
If you all against with farobi's post quality who else do you think is worth lynching

If he is your Mafia Doc then I'm not surprised why people defending him

Farobi trying so hard to connect with the players my guess that he can be an SK

 

[amazonevan19]

I'd be down with voting Dolby but no one is going to do that

My problem with a Farobi lynch is that it'll be hard to draw alignment tells given how universally he's being scumread. I suppose if he's scum then Punchy would automatically become a lot more sus. If he's somehow town that'd make things even thornier to decipher. If we hit SK gold then we get an extra kill out of the way and gives us a lot more breathing room on scumhunting.

A Dolby lynch would tell us ****tons about where people lie given how much he's been nulled or townread though.