Mafia TBT Switch Mafia (Long Days and Nights)- ENDGAME @Page 120- Town Wins

[Damniel]

"why I think punchy could be scum"

could be. I provided some points and I feel like it's too early to make a full on decisions as maybe he is Town and we are town just arguing while everyone watches with popcorn and 3D glasses like it's an early 2000s movie.

my head hurts, i should go.

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how do u know it was romantic

Who spends that much time on just a null post. Do you not have any stronger reads?

 

[Dolby]

Here he is sussing Unravel



Unravel explains themselves and despite saying he has 2 red flags, he easily backs off and doesn't push Unravel again.



Here he's reinforcing a question that was already asked and makes little contribution in getting an answer



I also don't like the bolded when talking about Dad and Dolby since it just comes off as trying to appeal to them while also being iffy on making any stance



I also really don't like this post

All of this ignores vital context or misrepresents the situation, bar backing off of Unravel but I wouldn't put much stock in that

Jacob was the first to point out that the slip was imcomprehensible outside of Antonio himself, and I think it does reflect an honest lack of understanding. Basically it isn't a repetition because the only person to ask it in the first place was the person it was subject to (and I fall under that label as well). Because of it I want to say that Jacob/Antonio isn't a team that we could be looking at.

Frankly I can't blame him for not having an opinion on either of us at that point because neither me or Dad had posted much, and I don't see an appeal there

Frankly I don't like Jacob's thoughts on probablity, but frankly that's town him from what I remember

I mean he basically said it was both looking for reactions and ****posting.

As for what you dislike of Antonio, why does that bolded line not line up with Antonio wanting Punchy to be less vague before that?

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I'm confounded that Antonio made a case that big. And that null is at the bottom, will read and pick that apart later tonight but null after all that pings me.

The bolded was bolded by Antonio, I had issue with the line after that. I didn't like Antonio basically going "wait what did I do" rather than demanding an explanation as he did in #104. Frankly, given 104 I expect something more aggressive from someone who doesn't expect to scumslip (ie, someone who is not mafia)

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**** BRIAN

You are absolutely right, I had a few brain farts writing this plus it's past my bedtime so I lost it around part 2. I apologies and is off to bed like a good boi. I

Why is he null rather than a null/SL from your PoV?

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By "I don't like Jacob's thoughts on scum probabality" I mean I vehemantly disagree with them

 

[Antonio]

Who spends that much time on just a null post. Do you not have any stronger reads?

I spent like 5 minutes writing and 10-20 minutes doing quotes and stuff. It isn't just a null post through either, I provided reasons why I think they are scum which is the main point, along with poking holes into punchy playing style as of right now. My conclusion was Null because im not 100% sure if they are town or scum.

I'll provide more reads tomorrow on other people. Could someone make it easier to find quotes by separating it by user.

I should be really off to bed now. I am closing my laptop.

 

[Damniel]

Click on the “replies” of this thread while in the cellar, and you can see all the posts of a user

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From what I remember of scum Unravel (used to be Itookyourwaffles) is that she ends up falling apart sooner or later. Though I do agree with not liking the takes





****ing Brian am I right

I feel that Antonio's analysis is disconnected from his conclusion here. While there was some extemporaneous stuff, I felt at certain points (notably Punchy's TR of Farobi and team compatibility, as well as his stated scum slip) that I was looking at town thought process. Then the thinking kinda collapsed

I want to point out that Vampnessa liked this post despite not posting any thoughts since the morning. Not sure what to make of it, but why did you like it and what are your insights?

 

[Geoni]

The Scum Files
My best efforts of summing up our battles and why I think punchy could be scum

Punchy is a beloved member of the community. He donates to charity, provides warm blankets for the town, and is a wise but young padawan. However, what has been stated her tonight (since it’s night 1) has got me wondering, is this punchy of a punch really who he says or is he working with the scums in our precious town. This is...the scum files.

(introduction music)

Part 1 - “Communication”

Punchy has been throwing the role/team blame towards people throughout the game without explaining why he is doing it unless confronted. As I stated before, “You can't make statements that make it look like you are contributing without explaining why you are making those statements in the first place”.

Here’s our first example, where he sussed me automatically based off of my reqs.




However, his gut is not his brian. Basically, he said this statement doesn’t feel right but doesn’t explain why until Vanessa confronted.



Once confronted, he explained why but that content will be in part 2. He also liked Vanessa’s post but I’m not sure how that has to do with anything. I took a picture for proof, in-case he dislikes it: https://i.imgur.com/bGJdXrq.png

Here’s another example where he put sus teams



You name compatible teams but don’t explain why Vanessa or Damniel or shippable with me. Well, my good looks obviously but you didn’t state it! :c

Finally, my last quote is based on Farobi’s req, who has only post one post and that is his reqs. Here’s what punchy said:




So, he has barely contributed anything and your “gut” says that you find him, towny. Does anyone else find that weird? Plus, he also doesn’t explain why!

Sad to say, your gut isn’t real facts. Those are your opinions and unless you explain why you have those opinions, it seems like you are just throwing wrong blame on people in hopes other people would agree with you. Just explain yourself for now on.

Part 2 - The great Punchy x Antonio War

Ah yes, it feels like we have been out at sea for too long, fighting for our lives. This war began years and years ago, based off of some reqs I posted on some cheap forum. I made a few mistakes writing them, but I got them right. Here is what I stated (before fixing everything) along with the chain of other quotes, with captions

Spoiler: Lots of quotes, beware

My quotes, made some mistakes because I was on mobile



His gut, going at it again. You are probably hungry.



Vanessa questioning him.



These are actually some reasonable responses tbh, but I should explain myself (which i did)



My response to his complaints.



Also, reasonable.

Then, Punchy calls me out again.




I’ve been mafia multiple of times, fyi. Anyways, I wasn’t trying to post just to post. Here’s my reply:




Then punchy did this:



Funny how he just points out a scum slip and again doesn’t explain what it is However, someone did question him.


And punchy said:


Still not stated what that scum slip is.

And that was the end of it, for now. I will like everyone's opinion on the fued since alot of people are just standing quiet while this goes on.

Part 3 - Conclusion

I’m not trying to be defensive, I’m just trying to poke holes in punchys logic and how he is trying to play the game. Also, I’m not “dumbplaying” anything, I just don’t bother to learn the lingo and forget what this and that means. Punchy if you are Town, please explain yourself for now on.

Conclusion: Null (for now)


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Alright so now that I've gotten around to reading this I find it really jarring from Antonio when it comes to -intent-. There's a lot of good and fair points against Punchy, all collected in an organized fashion and presented as a case against him and because Punchy has had a lack of explanation on some points and follow-through on others he looks objectively scummy because of it and yet why right now? During night 0? I know there's a risk of being killed tonight which will suck but a case in general comes off as an appeal. I guess if anything though, I'm curious as to how Punchy will respond to this and despite my uneasiness about a post like this coming out from you so early there are genuine concerns I share with some of it, specifically the slip comment and lack of clarification.

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Who spends that much time on just a null post. Do you not have any stronger reads?

I don't like this if just because it piggybacks my initial reaction.

 

[Damniel]

Well we posted at the same time basically, don’t think I piggybacked you

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Actually what the heck I posted before you

 

[Geoni]

All of this ignores vital context or misrepresents the situation, bar backing off of Unravel but I wouldn't put much stock in that

Jacob was the first to point out that the slip was imcomprehensible outside of Antonio himself, and I think it does reflect an honest lack of understanding. Basically it isn't a repetition because the only person to ask it in the first place was the person it was subject to (and I fall under that label as well). Because of it I want to say that Jacob/Antonio isn't a team that we could be looking at.

Frankly I can't blame him for not having an opinion on either of us at that point because neither me or Dad had posted much, and I don't see an appeal there

Frankly I don't like Jacob's thoughts on probablity, but frankly that's town him from what I remember


The bolded was bolded by Antonio, I had issue with the line after that. I didn't like Antonio basically going "wait what did I do" rather than demanding an explanation as he did in #104. Frankly, given 104 I expect something more aggressive from someone who doesn't expect to scumslip (ie, someone who is not mafia)

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Why is he null rather than a null/SL from your PoV?

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By "I don't like Jacob's thoughts on scum probabality" I mean I vehemantly disagree with them

Frankly I think your name is Frank.

I need to look back at what exactly you're finding behaviorally inconsistent if I'm reading what you're arguing here correctly. It's on the previous page for me.

The 'what was a scumslip?' line is what you find too calm when compared to previous reactions?

 

[Dolby]

The 'what was a scumslip?' line is what you find too calm when compared to previous reactions?

Yep, especially compared to #104

 

[Geoni]

Well we posted at the same time basically, don’t think I piggybacked you

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Actually what the heck I posted before you

Mine is above yours and is in a post merge but you are three minutes after my post. It's a one liner on your part which is why I still think it's possible but it's glaring given Dolby also didn't like it/agreed so whatever.

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Yep, especially compared to #104

Also says the same thing in 111 as I look back. Wording nitpick doesn't seem like you though? Do you find any of the content in Antonio's case all that disagreeable?

 

[Damniel]

Okay Temptations must recent post makes little sense. How can you make this elaborately romantic post about Punchy being scum and then conclude with a Null reading? Seems like a fancily made post with little substance tbh

This was before your merge. My one liner was a response to Temptations answer to this

 

[Dolby]

Mine is above yours and is in a post merge but you are three minutes after my post. It's a one liner on your part which is why I still think it's possible but it's glaring given Dolby also didn't like it/agreed so whatever.

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Also says the same thing in 111 as I look back. Wording nitpick doesn't seem like you though? Do you find any of the content in Antonio's case all that disagreeable?

Look at you go again, putting the blame without exacting explain wtf you are talking about.

You can't make statements that make it look like you are contributing without explaining why you are making those statements in the first place.

What was a scumslip?

The issue here is that relative to 104 it's completely drops the tone in the third line (and I suppose the second line) to a "hey what'd I do" that I wouldn't expect a townie to be concerned with. Wording is not an issue here

The only real issue that I have with the content comprising is that there's a lot of stuff that's just there for no reason, but when you're quoting literally every single post that someone makes that tends to happen. Though I also don't like that we tried to make Vanessa liking Punchy's posts an issue

 

[Geoni]

Yeah the screen cap and inclusion seemed like the extra mile I didn't see someone going if they're going to nullread them at the end of the day. Why do you pose it's AI that the intensity about Punchy's vagueness dropping when he posted about it a third time is sus? If anything the real issue I have about this specific moment is that I could see town dropping tone here but only if they're resolute about scumreading the person over it and null =\= resolute.

Also we need to establish as a community not to allow liking when a game is in process, I've seen it especially influenced and abused by spectators.

 

[Dolby]

Yeah the screen cap and inclusion seemed like the extra mile I didn't see someone going if they're going to nullread them at the end of the day. Why do you pose it's AI that the intensity about Punchy's vagueness dropping when he posted about it a third time is sus? If anything the real issue I have about this specific moment is that I could see town dropping tone here but only if they're resolute about scumreading the person over it and null =\= resolute.

The issue is that is was somehow to conspiratorial and didn't end up going anywhere. It was there for no reason and made no comment on the one thing it could be relative for in the case, if Vanessa and Punchy could be teamed

Also we need to establish as a community not to allow liking when a game is in process, I've seen it especially influenced and abused by spectators.

We live in a society

 

[Geoni]

This was before your merge. My one liner was a response to Temptations answer to this

Looked back and you're right. I immediately jumped on you for the answer showing up right after my post and this checks out, piggyback accusation redacted.

It takes me a while to make a post on mobile at work so I wasn't piggybacking you either while we're on the subject. Having the same initial reaction independently is why it stands out.

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The issue is that is was somehow to conspiratorial and didn't end up going anywhere. It was there for no reason and made no comment on the one thing it could be relative for in the case, if Vanessa and Punchy could be teamed



We live in a society

Like legit the screen cap of the like seems like something I would only go as far to do if I was tunneling somebody but tunneling generally means you hard scumread the person.

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Where is Evan btw he posted like a day and a half ago and I don't like his last post because it presents two possibilities about Damniel and myself but leaves it as that which makes deciding how one should look at a situation trickier.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

What the frick

How

What

You literally made a giant wall post and it came out as null what the frick

 

[unravel]

Saw you Farobi

 

[Farobi]

Don't know what to make out of N0 yet. I'm still getting in the swing of things and I'll be able to make better connections knowing the deaths by night's end. Antonio (temptations?) going hard on a null post is odd but his playstyle is unique to say the least, but this has been said a million times already so blegh. Don't have any leanings to place on other players yet so won't waste time on that. Mafia dont kill me tonight thx

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I will drown out all suspicions until night ends so don't think I'm scummy for not responding! I'm down for a little chat however, to allow whoever is willing to allow an exploration of another's alignments better, as long as it's not spammy

 

[Damniel]

Rip Night 0

 

[unravel]

Press F to pay respect also I'm going to reread everything I'm confused the whole situation prolly it has something to do with their playstyle last game

 

[Antonio]

What the frick

How

What

You literally made a giant wall post and it came out as null what the frick

Are you really trying to discredit my post because the outcome isn't scum? The Scum Files TM isn't about why someone is scum but is to go over some points on how they could be scum. Did you actually read my post or skim through it like you did with farobi reqs (which your gut says he is clear)? As Town, why are you skimming through everything instead of actually reading word through word?

I'm on mobile and have a doctor's appointment so yeah.

@Dolby, what seemed unneeded from my review on Punchy?