Dolby said:
Personally, I think that Toads is visually struggling here. The Chele read I'm struggling to wrap my head around why he's reading her, moreover, why included the one quote. The Punchy read is purely emotional, lacking anything I would call good logic
Or, more importantly, why he's even taking the time to make a nullread on Vanessa. No other people in important nulls. It feels like he's acknowledging her presence for his own purposes
Again, low-key shade thrown at me, I don't know why you are making this read on me so personal, present your evidence and feel its strength in that. I don't know why you have to put in a phrase like "visually struggling" when it biases people before you even make a point.
I think thats a pretty good description of chele, she was good at interrogating at the start and I liked her content. It seemed genuinely scum-hunting. Is that gonna stand up on day 2, probably not because I hate that she just counted votes and gave an excuse for not participating in EoD.
I nulled vanessa because some people had already said that she was being town leaned, when there was reason to believe that at the time.
Dolby said:
However, changing ones playstyle from 1 year prior is NOT something that should be scumleaned for, and actively dislike that choose to use that. His Temptations read... idk I wouldn't even call it a scumread I'd call it a null
You have said on two accounts now that using meta from over a year ago shouldn't scum lean people. yet to strengthen your argument you have made the comparison to SU2.
Dolby said:
I straight up asked vanessa what should we do about the lynch and she went on to say she would be ok with a bianca lynch in the face of jacob and punchy at this point having majority of the votes. I stayed on bianca because she was the only one I had legit evidence on, you just said my case was fine on bianca. I didn't see anything wrong with jacob, I town read punchy. I stayed with my reads rather than flop around like everyone else was doing.
Dolby said:
It was demonstrated time and time again to you that Punchy was actually differing from normal play
We've also said that Punchy's normal play is the freaking same whether he is town or scum punchy is always scummy. The reason he got town locked and was able to win those two games as scum is because he made a vote and we PoE locked him into town. He hasn't done that and we have a bunch of new players in the game, so everyone is falling back on "punchy is scum" which is what happened in all his early games. His "read me" posts and his content showed effort reminiscent of town punchy, his mental breakdowns remind me of early bad town punchy, but none of it says scum punchy to me. He is weak town lean, but in the face of jacob who I had no read on, yeah I'm gonna push for my town lean to live over a null.
Dolby said:
It?s weird, but I think jacob thought it made him look better to not vote punchy. His last push was almost for trundle which makes me put trundle high in my town reads. It leaves open the possibility, but I don?t think it?s absolutley convincing like you think it is
You asked me my answer for it and I gave you my idea. idk how or why a mafia does something, yes it looks shady now, but there's also a lot of reasons why someone does or does not do something.
I logged on yesterday, I saw we were voting punchy and jacob I asked what was the case on jacob was and it was he put unravel/mog/trundle in a scum possibility together. Which doing so early in the game, doesn't pique my interest... saying that isn't compatible so early makes no sense to me because as we've seen using that logic gets you into trouble. So I wasn't impressed with it no. Jacob's later posts did sound defeated and grasping, which ultimately convinced me to swap off bianca and onto him especially because I didn't want punchy lynched.
So when I read unravel's post it just seemed like she randomly chose jacob out of the three to suspect, cleared mog for being genuine which its mog thats just her demeanor, and seemingly looked past that we had spent a whole day prior talking about trundle and how scummy he was. It seemed really weird and thats what I was getting at with it.
I by no means was "defending" jacob, but I didn't feel as strongly about his lynch as bianca's and felt better about punchy.
Now looking back on all of this, I see Dolby's point that does make me look like I was supporting jacob and trying to save him, but my intentions and everything I said was indifferent to him more than anything and at the end of day, when I had plenty of time to turncoat on Punchy for an easier lynch if I was scum to save myself rather than jacob, I did vote jacob when I could've stayed on bianca and rode it out.
Dolby uses a lot of nice emotional words and exaggerations to really lock in that he wants me dead and paints a nice picture
And on a side note:
[quotes=Dolby]Your local arrogant ass signing off[/quote]
Your words not mine. I asked you to rescind your statement about "drunk filler posts" because it was hurtful, especially when I have gotten it in the past, but an apology would've been nice too. There was no need for that comment and had nothing to do with your argument and it was a lie. You treated it so disingenuinely. I've been on your case about this in several games about how you seemingly take personal digs at me outside of the scope of the game and every time you don't acknowledge it and think you can just keep doing it. This example pretty much sums it up. That's what led me to blow up at you in that one game that you reported me. I'm willing to accept that I went to far and have said so already, but you need to at some point acknowledge your part in it.
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toads voting Jacob here looks like mafia switching onto mafia, but it is hard to say. I think if Punchy/Jacbob is S/S, there is a good chance that toads could also be scum. If Punchy is not scum, I don't see the situation the same way. Mafia could have easily swayed the vote over to Punchy with a small amount of convincing. If all three of them were scum, they could have switched the vote over to Bianca if they tried hard, but that would have looked incredibly bad on the three of them.
I am still unsure about toads. Again, Dolby raises some really good points, but I want to look through his posts on my own later today before I decide my actual stance. Also, night kills will help with this.
I will post my personal full reads list before end of night in case I am killed.
I had plenty of time to go in any other direction at the EoD, why do you and Dolby think I would choose to sit in between two scummates and hem and haw so obviously and try to push it onto another lynch.
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one of those quotes is not from dolby.... idk what happened with my quotes
