Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[illunie]

Why did you go to invisible mode I was just starting to find you less suspicious

bc i was sick of ppl yelling at me for reading the thread when i was like 20 pages behind, it made me not want to go on the thread anymore so it thought id prob be more useful if i just didnt have to worry about that

 

[cornimer]

bc i was sick of ppl yelling at me for reading the thread when i was like 20 pages behind, it made me not want to go on the thread anymore so it thought id prob be more useful if i just didnt have to worry about that

That's fair

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Carry on

 

[Antonio]

Hey guys! I just came back from dinner/class and I'm gonna take a nap because I can't seem to keep my eyes open. This gives me time to charge my laptop and when I wake up, I'll catch up on the few pages that appeared.

 

[illunie]

gonna make rainbow list for my general impressions then go over them and maybe make another one if they change enough idk

antonio
heyden
trundle
unravel
bianca
vampnessa
mog
dolby
toads
chele
ness
?punchy?
evan

punchy gives me a headache so im just gonna hope he dies tonight and not even attempt to read him, my head says maf but my heart says town so idk

if i was being totally honest i would give dolby a slight tl and toads a slight sl but i dont think im good enough of a player to read them from just d1 and i dont rly wanna give them anything to run with so im putting them as null for now

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o i forgot tae bc they havent even done anything lol, put them at null

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list isnt ordered btw, its just in the order i remembered

 

[cornimer]

?punchy?

Same

 

[illunie]

I hate their read on Punchy, but I don't think that scum!Rune commits to Jacob as their top pick this early

just gonna remind u that the last time u hated my read on punchy and called me bad for defending him he flipped town

 

[EpicGamer12]

so quiet... how's it going scum chat? say something in mafia chat to acknowledge this post so i can read it after the game

 

[illunie]

ofc when im asleep u guys post 40 pages of ate but when im up its deathly quiet

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if scum is reading this write 'fortnite is epic' in the scumchat

 

[PunchyTheCat]

fortnite is epic

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whoops wrong chat

 

[Dolby]

fortnite is epic

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whoops wrong chat

Ladies and Gentlemen

We got him

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Just a reminder that after Punchy gets shot by vig and prob flips maf I prob want Toads dead after that

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and yeah people are starting to scramble over this lynch... stop worrying because mislynch or not we gain information from this. Taking someone out like Bianca or Rune when everyone's been discussing Punchy and Jacob for the last 24 hours isn't a good play in my opinion.

Was looking back and this def reflects well on Ness but I'm not going to go into a big read on him

 

[Chele]

I think thats a pretty good description of chele, she was good at interrogating at the start and I liked her content. It seemed genuinely scum-hunting. Is that gonna stand up on day 2, probably not because I hate that she just counted votes and gave an excuse for not participating in EoD.

What makes you think that I won't scumhunt on D2 JUST because of EoD? And counting votes was never my excuse for not participating on EoD? In all honesty, I actually did post on EoD, but didn't want to post huge paragraphs as nobody would read it as it was so hectic and rushed at the time. Mind you, I didn't disguise myself and actually voted Punchy and didn't change.

Amazing evidence, 10/10, I?m definitely gonna switch and ditch town
Anyways I?m just gonna out the sarcasm aside and ask, why did your from ?Daniel hammer me already? to ?I?m trying to save myself, Chele unvote me?

Well it?s actually pretty obvious, because you used 10 month old meta for her

Rune did show up, and she voted for Jacob. Looks like she left then.

@ Punchy
Why? All it takes for you to do is to NOT rely on meta. Rely on the wording of people?s posts and etc. Don?t just get dragged down. Just stop using meta then you?re fine

Also have you read my post last night? I actually was scumhunting and listing possibilities of who'd be scum. I don't know why you'd assume that I wouldn't participate in discussion tomorrow just because of EoD.

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fortnite is epic

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whoops wrong chat

you're townlocked

 

[Dolby]

@all who think that Punchy is town. What about that vote pattern screams t/s? Any (scum-motivated) push in that world goes on Punchy NOT Bianca. Punchy tried to wiggle off Jacob at every opportunity, and Jacob didn't even vote Punchy. What about the pattern makes you think town/scum, rather than scum/scum?

 

[mogyay]

ngl i'm kinda glad i didn't wake up to approx 4 thousand messages to wake up to lol, i have a bad habit of believing anything dolby says bc he is very convincing and could probably somehow convince me i am mafia but i was definitely getting town vibes from toad before this, his emotional response to dolby did seem pretty genuine too, the only thing that bothers me is his willingness to switch to bianca, i'm low key like rly still concerned about that whole thing, what do other ppl make of it that didn't see bianca as that scummy bc it's annoying me lol. unless bianca flips mafia but idk, i rly don't see that rn, i don't rly know her meta but she's started to seem pretty genuine and helpful and i felt like her vote was so out the left field

for me i think

dolby - town
trundle - town but i mean i'm ngl i still think day 1 was so weird that i'm willing to see a possibility that u're maybe not but anyway that's prob 1%
temptations - kinda weird his vote stayed on trundle but his interaction w jacob about 'slip up' seemed genuine
unravel - sry ik i said u were sus just like yday but i think i was just thinking that jacob surely must have mentioned his team mate but realistically he might not have lol, not like he had that many calling out posts
toad - as mention above
chelle - seems town but i actually see toad's perspective. also why scratch ur whole case on rune purely based on her showing up. ur case must have been like only based on that? feels like u're forcing urself to look helpful
bianca - i find ur playstyle kinda weird n i can see why ppl do find u a lil scummy but unless they have meta that i don't, not enough to lynch u, not like a huge town read but i do find myself wanting to defend u from ppl who wanna kill u so i have grown to trust u as town
ness - i actually rly wanted to scum read u bc u seem so much more different from when i last played, like no offence but u haven't done that much i don't think (neither have i but i'm used to u being more helpful) u barely show up at end of day and u haven't rly provided anything new, i only town read u bc i liked how u defended rune and bianca but if punchy flips maf then i will prob sl u
vanessa - ily and u did good job as queen but something was off about ur reaction to jacob, felt low key forced and also i don't like the bianca votes so u're null but like tl lean ok, sry
rune - seems towny but i will put u null for now just bc of content
evan - vig shoot me is SO forced, we want punchy shot not u lol. anyway ur defence of jacob looked sus to me, yes u did change ur vote but arguably did it matter (esp how punchy flips) also ur jokes about 'oh time to team me w jacob guyz xD' seemed rly forced and awkward. could b bad circumstance but i dno man
punchy - man like, if u're not maf then just i'm gonna scream lol, ur interactions with me r what's causing me the most bother, idk how to make sense of them. either way but i'm sry i hope u die bc u r deffo scummy and we can gain sm from it so
hayden - i do feel like u're town and maybe i'm putting too much pressure on u but i feel like u're usually so in tune with how jacob is feeling that i'm surprised u didn't notice anything off, i'm gna null for u for now and see what happens when punchy flips! if punchy flips maf then idk how i can tl u purely bc i think u're a great player n idk how u can get it wrong (that's horrible reasoning and i'm sry), if punchy is town tho then u'd go right up my list
tae - null but like prob sl soon soz my luv, pls enjoy ur bday tho, ily

these reads r downright terrible but i'm soo sleepy and i wanted to get them out in case i drift. i'm off for the next two days so pls expect better of me, just not feeling gr8 tonight, will be sticking around tho

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BASICALLY, i feel like everything rides on whatever punchy flips, like i feel like i could say completely different things on people based on that so i feel like a lot of that is semi redundant so pls vig shoot punchy

 

[Antonio]

I'm finally online and is mostly caught up.

@all who think that Punchy is town. What about that vote pattern screams t/s? Any (scum-motivated) push in that world goes on Punchy NOT Bianca. Punchy tried to wiggle off Jacob at every opportunity, and Jacob didn't even vote Punchy. What about the pattern makes you think town/scum, rather than scum/scum?

Ask yourself, would a mafia punchy do this? Would his fellow teammates allow him to do the things he's done? Based on the context of his posts, I believe his actions are his actions alone. The fact that he doesn't want to be killed is weird/scummy but I think he has a special role which I know, goes against his claim but why would you claim with such a role on day 1 and then get voted off by Mafia during night 1. Well, he hasn't tried to provide a counter argument during night where everyone is talking about vigs voting him off so that goes against that.

Also, his actions earlier in the game resemble what he did in the previous game beside his recent posts where he is panicking (which he didn't do in last game because everyone read me and him town). Didn't he also panic before?
I swear he did that before but I don't recall what game.

Finally, how do we know there is a vigs? I don't recall there being a list of roles unless I passed it. :/

 

[toadsworthy]

What makes you think that I won't scumhunt on D2 JUST because of EoD? And counting votes was never my excuse for not participating on EoD? In all honesty, I actually did post on EoD, but didn't want to post huge paragraphs as nobody would read it as it was so hectic and rushed at the time. Mind you, I didn't disguise myself and actually voted Punchy and didn't change.






Also have you read my post last night? I actually was scumhunting and listing possibilities of who'd be scum. I don't know why you'd assume that I wouldn't participate in discussion tomorrow just because of EoD.

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you're townlocked

As much as you say that... its doesn't change that its an excuse and doesn't cover the fact that you were "active" and didn't help in anything and just voted for punchy.

 

[Antonio]

Setup

12 Town:4 Mafia

KP is based on the number of alive team members (1/2 of team, rounded up)​

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Role List

The following roles may be used in the game. However, not all of them will be used.

Lord (Townie)-

Spoiler:

Loyal to the Monarch, Lords wish to restore order to Oppidum following the murder of their king. They hold vast amounts of wealth and land, but have no experience on the battlefield. They have no talents. But because of their loyalty to the crown, they are eligible to become the next Royal Adviser.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch.

Royal Adviser (Kingmaker)-

Spoiler:

While the ruling Monarch is the supreme leader of the land, Oppidum has a parliament which assists the King in running the country. But due to the current King's death, the parliament has full control. Needing a king the head of the parliament, the royal adviser, appoints a Regent. Each Night, the Royal Adviser will select a main and backup choice for King for the next day. Should the main choice die that Night, the backup will serve as King. No player can be chosen two days in a row until three players remain. The kingmaker cannot chose themselves as king.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch

Holy Knight (Hero)-

Spoiler:

This noble has fought in countless battles, all to protect the people of Oppidum. Loyal to the crown and its people, the Holy Knight wishes only the best for the kingdom. The knight has become a celebrity in the country, and the people worship them greatly. As a Hero, the people will assure their safety. If the king attempts to execute them, the people will revolt and kill the king instead. However, once revealed as Hero, they cannot be kinged.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch

Divine Priest (Doctor)-

Spoiler:

This noble devoted their life to the Divine Being and strictly follows the god's teachings. As corruption is a sin in the eyes of the Divine Being, the Priest prays for an honest government. Using their divine powers, the priest may select a target each night to protect from death. If saved, the target will be notified of their protection. The priest may not protect the same target twice in a row.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch

Loyal General (Roleblocker)-

Spoiler:

The general has commanded the royal army for decades, they have experienced it all. Using their demanding voice and dominate nature, the general can select a target to block from using any actions. This will not, however, stop mafia kills or passive powers. The same target cannot be selected twice in a row.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch

Special Inquisitor (Detective)-

Spoiler:

The most intelligent and educated noble of the kingdom. They found the previous King's ideologies to be fair and logical, and wish to uphold those laws. With their expertise, the inquisitor can inspect a target each night to receive their alignment.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch

Noble Mercenary (Vigilante)-

Spoiler:

This noble found fighting to be an enjoyable sport, and left the country to work as a sell sword. Holding great respect for the king, the mercenary returned to steer Oppidum back on the right path. With an affinity for fighting, the mercenary can select a target to kill. However, they only have the ability to do this ONCE.

Win Condition- Eliminate all conspirators to the Monarch

Conspiring Earl (Goon)-

Spoiler:

A selfish lord, the earl found the King's beliefs of social equality to be naaive and ridiculous. Hoping to gain more land for themselves, the earl conspired with other like-minded lords to murder the king. With the king dead, the conspirators must now seize full control of Oppidum.

Win Condition- Either eliminate all Lords so there are no more potential kingmakers. Or outnumber/equal town in numbers.

Corrupt Archduke (Godfather)-

Spoiler:

Cousin to the previous King, the Archduke helped plot the King's murder so they may take the throne instead. Being closely related to the king, the people find the Archduke to be as pure as he was. Because of this, the Archduke appears as town if inspected.

Win Condition- Either eliminate all Lords so there are no more potential kingmakers. Or outnumber/equal town in numbers.

Evil General (Roleblocker)-

Spoiler:

The general was furious with the idea of "World Peace" that the King believed in. War shows the strength of a country, and the general wishes for more military power. This bloodthirsty lord can block their selected target from performing any actions. They cannot select the same target two nights in a row.

Win Condition- Either eliminate all Lords so there are no more potential kingmakers, or outnumber/equal town in numbers.

Sinful Baron (Framer)-

Spoiler:

The baron felt neglected by the king and found their fellow conspirators to be more supportive of the Baron's behaviors and actions. With a sly tongue, the Baron can spread rumors so the selected target will appear as mafia aligned if inspected. They cannot frame the same target twice in a row.

Win Condition- Either eliminate all Lords so there are no more potential kingmakers, or outnumber/equal town in numbers.

Ambitious Assassin (Strongarm)-

Spoiler:

Hired by the other conspiraring nobles, the Assasin was bribed with the promise of land and power. Having perfected the art of murder, the assassin can perform one of the team's kills, and assure it goes through regardless of any protections. They may only do this ONCE.

Win Condition- Either eliminate all Lords so there are no more potential kingmakers. Or outnumber/equal town in numbers.

Nvm, found it.

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How did I miss that?

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"However, not all of them will be used. "

How can we confirm that there is a Vigilante?

 

[mogyay]

i don't think anyone could stop punchy and like, i hear this argument a lot, how often do u see members actually dictate how another should act, it's not really how u should play the game. also i did think of that but didn't everyone say punchy is quite role claming trigger happy, i felt like he would have claimed had he had something, he does have a very unsettling desperation but for me it's most likely it's desperation from being mafia

either way, if he does flip town, it would 100% suck but it would tell us a lot

 

[Dolby]

As much as you say that... its doesn't change that its an excuse and doesn't cover the fact that you were "active" and didn't help in anything and just voted for punchy.

Reaction if Punchy flips maf?

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i don't think anyone could stop punchy and like, i hear this argument a lot, how often do u see members actually dictate how another should act, it's not really how u should play the game. also i did think of that but didn't everyone say punchy is quite role claming trigger happy, i felt like he would have claimed had he had something, he does have a very unsettling desperation but for me it's most likely it's desperation from being mafia

either way, if he does flip town, it would 100% suck but it would tell us a lot

Tbh if he flips town I get three clears

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Ask yourself, would a mafia punchy do this? Would his fellow teammates allow him to do the things he's done? Based on the context of his posts, I believe his actions are his actions alone. The fact that he doesn't want to be killed is weird/scummy but I think he has a special role which I know, goes against his claim but why would you claim with such a role on day 1 and then get voted off by Mafia during night 1. Well, he hasn't tried to provide a counter argument during night where everyone is talking about vigs voting him off so that goes against that.

I can count the amount of times on my hand that I got a newer mafia member to post what I wanted them to post. Getting them to vote somebody is easy, getting them to put forward content is hard, nigh on impossible, and that's why I wouldn't put stock in that.

I think he has a special role to, a special mafia role, and that's why Jacob died because after that push on Jacob I would def expect more of a counterpush on Punchy if maf didn't want Jacob dead

Moreover, why does scum Jacob NOT vote him? Could he possibly want himself to be dead over Punchy? Why was he so weak at EoD that it felt intentional?

Also, his actions earlier in the game resemble what he did in the previous game beside his recent posts where he is panicking (which he didn't do in last game because everyone read me and him town). Didn't he also panic before?
I swear he did that before but I don't recall what game.

https://www.belltreeforums.com/show...es-Night-One&p=8089442&viewfull=1#post8089442
https://www.belltreeforums.com/show...es-Night-One&p=8089988&viewfull=1#post8089988

I think that both of these are good breakdowns on how he's differing from previous games in style and intent, as well in presenting his susses. His EoD and post-EoD suck, just calling out me/Ness/Bianca as a team of three solely for going against him, effectively giving anyone who supports him a free pass

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You all better believe Toads is mafia should Punchy flip maf

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@Temptations, why'd you leave your vote on Trundle?

 

[illunie]

ik i have no logical basis but my gut is screaming that punchys town, just based on how pannicky hes been and how illogical his actions have been. it prob wont matter since punchy is hopefully gonna get shot tonight but im calling punchy town now

 

[mogyay]

why would maf even bother trying tbh, more i think about it i'd probably be more likely to trust hayden and toad if he is town since i'm sure mafia would just let him die since he's going that way anyway

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ok that's a third person claiming he's town so maybe it's not so simple lol (like not so simple just to tr anyone who thinks punchy is town lol since it's a growing opinion)