Mafia The Quest for King - Mafia | Game Thread | GAME OVER

ribbitribbon said:
i have a class around voting time today so if anyone’s gonna pick my brain please do it now >_>

i get where you’re coming from but i was genuinely busy irl, if you have read further feel free to banter with me about anything else you found

do you have an idea who you’re voting for? you can’t vote for yourself lol
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No idea frankly. I could be fine with Ender or Daniel.
 
Damniel said:
I don't think Ness should be king. I think he's town but he's very tunnely on Oath which I don't think is a good thing
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Or... you trust me and vote me anyway. ;)
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Really I don't get why people use "tunnel" like its some forbidden taboo; if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why shouldn't I get my shotgun out if its duck season?

Of course I can be convinced to go hunting for others as well.
 
voltairenism said:
jacob's read on annika made me think of wolf!jacob using his confident meta to justify a townread on annika. like using it as a crutch bc it's his strongest townread
and i thought that annika response to him sorta looked like buddies. but it's mostly vibes
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yea i can kinda understand that from a perspective that isn't me/annika but I just can't see annika being wolf here based off some of her posts, some of her posts feel p unfakeable from her as wolf, idrc if we are called wolf buddies for it meh
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i guess this is probably thought by people anyway but i doubt ness / oath are wolf buddies? especially oath's reactions to ness don't feel theatre between the two

Like I said before oath's tone in recent is still kinda weird to me when they didnt really seem to care about dying at the start, might indicate that they were being performative at the start of the game, trying to seem more carefree than they actually are

if oath is wolf ness is def town i would say
 
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N e s s said:
Or... you trust me and vote me anyway. ;)
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Really I don't get why people use "tunnel" like its some forbidden taboo; if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why shouldn't I get my shotgun out if its duck season?

Of course I can be convinced to go hunting for others as well.
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You limit your worlview to just one person. It’s okay to sus oath but to spend most of your energy on him narrows your scope.

What do you think about my Trent read and his recent post?
 
oh hello 9 pages that i am just ecstatic to read!
i got the flu and couldn't move for a little bit. i will probably be skimming so if theres anything you guys need to talk to me ab or mention ping me
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Geoni said:
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Was out of signal range when I thought I wouldn't be and I have to go in for a ten hour shift tomorrow where I'm not allowed to be on my phone and am already past my bedtime atm. Obviously don't want to die but I've only caught up on like the first 80 or so posts of the game. I'm reading back with the luxury of knowing Chris and Shiny were town so hopefully that can give me some sort of perspective as well as tone, how much bite people are showing and who they are biting, and reasonings for king nominations. Though atm I'm just sniffing out 'asking questions out of genuine uncertainty' vs 'asking questions and putting stuff out there to fake uncertainty' vs 'this post just gives me tmi vibes' and only the first of those three is easy to find. Like idk this is the vibes up to page 6 at least. Tom and Arsto have felt contrarian/alone in approaches. Tom is silly with the no elim stuff but I guuuuess I don't get too performative of a vibe from it. I disliked Arsto saying 'you failed the shut up test thumbs down' to Shiny and Tessa but it's the kind of scrappy posting I like in the thread environment at that moment. Ness feels like he was getting the ball rolling with his prods and questions here and there and looks like someone who wants to start getting the work done. Easy to fake of course but with what I've read so far he looked more genuinely inquisitive compared to others who are just posting game theory/Kingmaking philosophy (Dan, ribbot, etc). Weak junk so far from me but I thought I'd let ya'll know where my headspace is at. Also I forgot how weird Kingmaker is. If you want my philosophy it's that a good king or the people in contention to be kings should put guns to people's heads and make them give townreads and PoEs because King votes aren't as easy to analyze as votes in a more traditional mafia game would be. That will also lead to more effective towncore work moving forward. I think rather than there being a singular consensus pick that town wants King to kill, you'll have better luck getting a consensus PoE for the king to pick from instead. And of course a core that shouldn't be hero shot in unless there's a veeery good reason to.
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omg hi you're alive!
my brain is too muddy for this post
 
Damniel said:
What do you think about my Trent read and his recent post?
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upon further inspection i’m not convinced that isn’t omgus

but it’s hard to shake off the townread i had of him yesterday because i still really like his d1
 
Geoni said:
I am going to preface this by saying that I am going to learn from the mistake of taking notes when I know I have very little time so I will spend the night phase purely reading and keeping my notes mental.

This list should be taken with the grain of salt that it's indeed in the dark about almost everything outside of votes and that Tessa was king and killed a PR.

Ness - I mostly have two posts that stand out for me. I simply liked 155 because it's showing anxiousness in giving an uncertain player the power to kill to test them because like...why would you want to risk not getting off to a good start and flipping a red after N1? Curious as to why he dislikes Oath so much because essentially he was also anti towndeath with his own stance earlier on so I look forward to reading on about it. And 160? I just had a lot of mindmelding with the post overall especially in regards to the way Tessa was interacting with Shiny in an 'unnecessary' way which is what I was trying to say earlier about filler vibes.

Arstotzkan - Post 115 feels pro town in regards to not putting too much stock in day 1, which I partially agree with at least in something like kingmaker. There are ways to make day 1 something worth putting stock in but the paranoia about mafia being able to use it for manipulation feels like something a paranoid town would say. I forgot to pit some of the other posts down but they gave me a vibe of inquisition and wanting to scrap with other players and in general had an agreeable kingmaker mindset.

Dan - The biggest thing I hope to see more from him is feeling less...robotic? Out of everyone here he shares towncore philosophy the most with me and the answers and posts he makes feel like the posts I would have made so he feels towny enough for now but I just disagree with the use of king to reaction test a player because that's so easy to hide in as reasoning for letting a potential partner getting away with murder. I need to read more.

Light townlean that's mostly based around tone and approach in regards to who to king and that king shouldn't kill:

Tom - Wants no kill. Okay. Don't agree but I liked that he took the more unique approach and it comes from an illogical (no offense) place based on meta that "veteran players who are out for blood immediately get yeeted day 1" he mentioned. I like people not posting overly rational especially day 1 as long as it's not the entire player list doing it if just for tone. Has a bit more inquisition than some others and it didn't come across as fake and that's generally a good sign.

Oath

Gun to head ultralight townlean based purely on their entry post:

Annika- Entered in post 150 to agree with consensus king kills being their preferred approach but admits to not knowing the setup well. Fairly null even with a gun to my own head but I appreciate people coming in with honesty about their experience and that they gave tonal reads on Tom and Tessa since tone is most of what you can initially go off.

Gun to head light wolfread based on only reading one of their posts:

Ribbot - Up to 160 just had one post about seeking a king who will kill for the sake of information. Yes, I share this stance, but don't like this by itself and lacking in inquiry or town/wolf hunting is never a good thing in my book even if they are new. I say this because it was a little earlier in these 160 posts.

Gun to head light wolflean based on being a bit fluffy and having blue blood on their hands:

Tessa - What I mentioned above in Ness' section in regards to Shiny handling and post 115 was kind of wolfy post in my eyes because I can't figure out what info she was hoping to gain from asking Shiny about the decoy post. Also post 144...why does chaos produce better info for you vs organized PoEing in your experience?

Null for now:

Gabby - One post saying hi basically. Hello!
Ender - Literally haven't seen any of their posts but it appears as if they replaced?
Jacob - hope to catch up on the context/explanation for the vote switch

This felt like a waste of time rather than just shutting up and reading but I want to see if anyone builds off of these reads of how people entered the game vs what they have done since and where they are now.

I am going to just speedread through the rest of the posts so I am contributing up to date and post a readslist for King to PoE from in the last few minutes. Don't @ me lol.

*insert pic of the stick figure smashing his face on the wall. You know the one*
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I think I forgot Volt but ran out of time. Null for now.
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Forgot to complete Oath section but to put it simply he was anti town death at least up to 160.
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don't get what you mean on oath irt that last comment?

also wdym context/explanation for my voteswitch? feels kinda accusatory, do you think it's wolfy then?

ftr the reason i switched is because people were finding it weird that i was on shiny cuz i didnt realise at the time they said they were gonna no kill, so I went (imo) with the next best person that was in contention who was tessa

ngl i feel like slightly better on geoni for the effort that went into this post, ness and arst reads in particular read as genuine thought to me particularly in terms of picking out individual posts and dissecting them, but shade on me for the voteswitch feels weird
 
Damniel said:
@tessa grace why do you choose Chris over the other picks you were considering
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oath had potential, i wanted more from ribbit (which i feel they have somewhat redeemed themselves today) and chris was the general consensus amongst everyone. im all about making this a group decision and i agreed on the reads on chris so yeah
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Geoni said:
Bad hero shots with weak reasoning or more importantly no prior evidence of that person having sus before is the kinda stuff you might see from mafia kings. Anyways goodnight.
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Let me restate that because I can't tell if I have good sentence clarity or not.

If a king makes a shot on a person they have shown no suspicion towards prior to shooting them, it's not even classified as a hero shot. It's a 'what the heck' nonsense shot or (and more likely) mafia shooting outside of the PoE to get rid of someone they wanted gone for one reason or another (fear, obvtown that won't be shot, PR snipe, etc). Can we all agree on this I hope? And operate on that agreement? Give mafia no places to hide and it's an easier path to victory. Want to say this because I'm straight up just not going to be able to effectively be part of any core and PoE building for this phase. Going to bed for real for real now.

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yes actually i like this. my whole reason why group discussion is important
 
Trent the Paladin said:
Checking in during my break, just to say @Geoni better vote before they leave again otherwise they're wall posting for no reason

Also you know what vote for me, I want to kill Dan. I think that would actually be the most useful going into Day 3 given Dan's interacted with just about everyone
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how is that useful lol
if he flips mafia i guess yes but if hes town, in the case we vote for that reasoning instead for actual reads, his death means little to nothing
Damniel said:
the reason I said I didn't town read Trent anymore was because today he has done very little to push anyone or try to move the game in any sort of direction. He has this odd fixation on Chris's read that 1 of Ness, Trent and Me are mafia. Even though there were more people active start of day and that's so long ago. And despite his fixation of me or Ness being maf, he has done very little to explore that thought process for himself or others. He says he just has a general gut distrust in me, but has never pushed me further than that.




He also says he isn't active today because 3 slots are inactive (Geoni at the time, Tessa and arostotzkan), but (a) those two being inactive shouldn't stop him from engaging and reading the rest of the player base and (b) those two slots shouldn't have anything to do with solving Ness or me. I would think he would make more of an attempt to solidify his read on me, but it hasn't gone anywhere. I don't see a drive to solve people's alignments at all. He says there's nothing to go off on bc 3 people of 12 alive players are inactive which I think is weak
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Tessa has very little info for today but what I've been waiting for was the expiation on why she chose to kill Chris out of the other options she picked. I don't think anyone had asked her that at the time. I think she's town based on the EOD still.
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yeah i agree that trent hasnt done much. felling like my benefit of the doubt expired
also i guess i wont need to dissect tessa since shes here now yipee
 
Damniel said:
You limit your worlview to just one person. It’s okay to sus oath but to spend most of your energy on him narrows your scope.

What do you think about my Trent read and his recent post?
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1. I fail to see how that's a problem. Sure that's prideful of me, but it's not as if I'm not reading what others are saying. If I'm thinking something I'm gonna say it, not force anything.

2. I can see a world where Trent genuinely does see Oath as an easy target without it implicating him. The blame would probably reflect on myself and Ender if Oath flipped town.

3. I don't disagree that I get the sense he's trying to fit reads into evidence, rather than provide anything particularly unique in terms of his appearance in thread.

If Trent flipped mafia than Oath would be 75% cleared, but not so much the other way around.
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Maybe I'm making things about myself too much, but I think I'm the best choice for king and I want the general public to understand that. I'll scream it from a megaphone if I need to.
 
Jacob4 said:
yea i can kinda understand that from a perspective that isn't me/annika but I just can't see annika being wolf here based off some of her posts, some of her posts feel p unfakeable from her as wolf, idrc if we are called wolf buddies for it meh
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i guess this is probably thought by people anyway but i doubt ness / oath are wolf buddies? especially oath's reactions to ness don't feel theatre between the two

Like I said before oath's tone in recent is still kinda weird to me when they didnt really seem to care about dying at the start, might indicate that they were being performative at the start of the game, trying to seem more carefree than they actually are

if oath is wolf ness is def town i would say
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When I flip town what does that say for Ness
 
N e s s said:
I'm willing to let bygones be bygones Oathy. If you're town I'd like to pick your brain more about Trent.
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Let's kill him to see if his D1 strat/D2 quietness was a meme or hiding behind a meme.

I think if he flips wolf the "quiet mafia" theory is accurate
 
Ender's feelings toward Oath strike me as genuine. There's a spark of rage in Ender's posts that are trying to solve the slot, Trent doesn't have the same going for him.
 
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