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[oath2order]

@voltairenism Responding to your posts yesterday:

1. I'm willing to renew the terms and conditions of the alliance. How willing are you to murder bestie Dan or Jacob?
2. Tessa's ISO on Oath was something I didn't really read at all honestly. It was these two posts that erred me away from him (as silly as it may sound):


3. Re:Jacob- I get the impression that he's a sheep who has tried to maintain zero controversy throughout the game. Pretty much every time someone has been called out as suspicious, he swoops in with some neutral comment on it or says something obvious; his posts lack a creative element to it. I read that post you asked if he had any info to be gained, and I think it was just a bunch of generalities.

Like seriously, he has put forth suspicion on one person in this game, and that is myself. I don't count him saying that ribbit/Tessa need to be "under more scrutiny" because he has never elaborated on either of them. I get the impression that he has been intentionally making town reads regarding things that have either already been said, or are incredibly obvious, in an attempt to appear that he's contributing.

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@annika I'm very curious to know your thoughts on this since I think tonally your posts are town: do you actually townread Jacob? You have played with him before and know him best out of anyone. Has he done anything that makes you think he is town beyond him hard townreading yourself?

I don't recall Jacob commenting on you sussing me, now that I'm thinking of it.

 

[Jacob4]

@Jacob4 hey pal, if I vote you in as king, you kill me. Deal?

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@Arstotzkan Day 1 I was trying to make it seem as if I was just a vanilla townie to further bait Oath into killing me. Day 2 I had the realization that my role was (probably) uncounter claimable and that I could live to endgame as a basically full-proof town member. How wolfish you think that is is up to you.

Also @Damniel idk why you think there’s room for debate that I’m lying is beyond me if you use the most likely annd logical outcome here.

Jacob4’s post feels extra wolfish to me in light of his new post. A mafia PR checking Trent, what? Why even suggest that?

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My headcanon right now is that the team is some combination of Jacob/Geoni/Tessa or Jacob/Daniel/Ribbit. Mix and match Dan/Tessa for those.

Unless of course it’s Oath or Arstotzkan and I just can’t see it being either at this rate. There’s no team combo of them that makes sense.

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I mean realistically let’s think about this: if y’all *really* think I’m lying then let’s elect the most unknown slots and have them kill me. Kill two birds with one stone.

Or of course, listen to what I initially suggested, understand that I’m telling the truth, and make me king again.

@N e s s willing to take that offer lol. don't think your role claim is real so idc

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btw ness saying I've only had 1 person under scrutiny before is just a lie because I have suspected geoni

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I don't recall Jacob commenting on you sussing me, now that I'm thinking of it.

I did in my second to last post, I think it was either distancing between you two and you're both wolves [would explain why ness didnt kill you with king kill n2], or in the v!you world ness actually just wanted to push you because you'd be one of the easier slots to cast suspicion on and get away with it easily in that world

I'm leaning more towards the latter now because of what dan pointed out

 

[Damniel]

ribbit strikes me as the same, i feel like she's had a kinda... 'combative' tone towards a lot of people in the game already, especially towards people who i'd consider likely to be wolves, which I consider to be unaligned in context. #1,070 feels unaligned with geoni to me as does #1,077 irt volt (typically imo telling people what to do like that if from mafia tends to be >rand town for the other person).

annika again is person im most confident is town and would be most confident in giving the king to - the push on dan feels genuine even if I don't really agree with it and I think wolf!annika has a tough time replicating that type of prolonged suspicion, usually I feel like she'd have taken it back at some point by now regardless of dan's alignment. she feels like she's feigning this sorta 'unbothered' tone when actually it does feel like she wants to solve the game which I've only really seen from her as town (may have explained this read before already I can't remember lol). I get a decent amount of my reasoning here is meta and just me having knowledge of how she plays as both alignments so I don't expect people to 100% get it but I'll just say her town meta is intrinsically in line with how believable she is - do you guys think her posts are unbelievable here? cause i really dont

I’ve felt this way about Ribbit in that they feel like they’re working alone and not unafraid to confront anyone. they even crossed fires against me earlier even though I’ve been defending them for most of this game, which I don’t think a mafia would want to lose. I think the ender vote was a genuine effort to push that vote before Ness claimed

I really don’t understand your read on Annika. I can’t say anything on meta and how she would act as wolf, but she didn’t even really push me as you claim. When asked for her reasoning she only gave a general distrust and “bad vibes” explanation which doesn’t sound confident despite her previous post saying it was me

Ness claiming and ended up claiming hero is still a very anti town move. Hero is like the one role you don’t want to claim and the motivation for claiming feels more selfishly driven

I can see Tessa being maf. Her attitude towards town numbers and PRs always has a town of awkwardness. She also has never questioned the Ness claim

Oath has been even more quiet today but I still think the interaction with Ness who wanted to kill him is genuine. The offer to kill Ness to test the hero role is pretty bold and i don’t think a maf oath trying to coast would say something like that

I think volt is town and it would be really hard to convince me otherwise. It’s the only read I’m confident in

Geoni can be mafia by pure PoE but that reasoning itself is kinda lame. But I’ve already stated that the whole catching up behavior from EoD was super unproductive and he might do something similar to that today

I think Jacob’s recent post on him being dogpiled by everyone is not really accurate. I believe it’s just me volt and Ness who have open suspicions and Annika is your defense. But I think the recent reads and the hesitancy towards Ness’s claim is warranted and unique

Tbh for Arost I didn’t read her whole catching up post bc I wasn’t interested in reading walls. She hasn’t posted much today either so by PoE I think she can be maf too but by lesser extent to Geoni’s more egregious behavior. I think the pushback on Ness is understandable and a good thing to scrutinize

In regardless to the PoE of the 5 Tessa votes: I think the wolves are more likely to be in Annika and Ness. I just dont think it’s Ribbit and Jacob comes off at more town here. Annika I think is still in the shadows too much and Ness’s PR claim is a very anti town move the more that I think about it

For other potential maf Tessa, Geoni and Arost are in there. I think volt and oath are most likely town outside of that

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And I still think volt should be king

 

[annika]

@annika I'm very curious to know your thoughts on this since I think tonally your posts are town: do you actually townread Jacob? You have played with him before and know him best out of anyone. Has he done anything that makes you think he is town beyond him hard townreading yourself?

I know him, but like... I can't read him that well ^^;

he could be mafia here ig, I just lean town atm

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i dont feel anything particularly wolfy about geoni so far, it would be basically killing a player just out of paranoia. policy chops are not optimal anymore either

i mean... okay, but i lean town on both Jacob and Ribbit and I think they have more going for them than Geoni

like, Jacob and Ribbit probably have done wolfie things but I think it outweighs the mostly townie stuff- probably? Geoni just hasn't done anything, that's why he's not wolfie if he's a wolf

 

[Damniel]

Also if we believe at least one of the mafia is one of the more vocal people with a strong influence on the game, that points to Ness or Tessa. I don’t think all the wolves are silent players

 

[annika]

Are either of you down to campaign for king today? ik dan is (I think) so won't bother asking him, really I only feel comfortable with voting one of you 3 today

mmm
well I'm kinda confused why you'd want to vote me bc I expressed not liking Daniel, but...
sure...? I could kill Geoni I guess

 

[Jacob4]

wise words from damniel once again adding to my strategy for long term
and yes ty for pointing out that trent king= no

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ebwop lmao trent king= no info

srry mb i love chaos thats how i get my reads
also yes dmaniel i will be ur king pls i have the wheel and all

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fr though if i do become king can we pls discuss who we wanna take down i have a track record of reading people incredibly wrong

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also @oath2order why are you so afraid of the power bestowed upon you as king are you scared you'll mess up and be killed or what

bolded from the above 2 posts feel like pocketing dan in hindsight

reading through tessa iso a lot of her early posts just feel like mech talk which is easy for wolf to post about

ty i like this post

uhhh thats probably something you should read up on

i must say i am savoring this inactivity. i love a slow game and since im so busy rn it makes catching up easier


can you elaborate

idk why i would reply to their wolfreads lol, but i wouldn't say thats indicative that i'm town. mafia will intentionally ignore wolfreads to play it cool bc responding strongly to prove themselves is just giving an unnecessary reaction. often times strong reads as well are bait.

i would argue that a ness/kat pocket is occurring though, so your main idea is still valid. i dont know their meta or history playing together though so i wonder if that is part of it. otherwise its still pretty weird

watchout geoni wall post will occur and the entire course of the game will change lol

bolded feels wolfy. why would town want to encourage thread to be inactive and not solve, like even if you're busy it's just worse for everyone else and generates less alignment indicative content for town to work with

I would disagree. I feel like what might feel fabricated is really lack of posts, so I feel like this take is a little too soon. And also I think its really important to look at the responses to basic facts in context in which it makes sense.
I also really liked their most recent post although I havent looked through it all the way. Seems like a legit response

this is all i have to say about who i am when it comes to the questioning
1. my last game was a year ago in mu champs dont meta me im too much of a teenager to be consistent
2. i didn't ever have anything to say about my opinion of shiny's alignment. i think alot of us are mistaking that bold questioning as a push but i just ask strong questions d1. otherwise what would we be talking about rn lol

i guess what i'm getting at is that questioning and sharp remarks do so much more for reading off of the responses and reactions than an early mafia push. its just a little get to know you is all

bolded feels like generic tmi from a wolf, tmiing annika as v. feels like a very vague reason to townread her and feels like she is seeing it as more towny than it actually is because of burden of tmi

we dont care about their feelings we want to solve this game
fr though dont be afraid to put people in tough situations regardless of politeness and stuff. we gotta win

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im kind of scared of a dan king what if im being fooled

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actually him volt or ness are my best options

iirc someone pointed this out already but constant posts from tessa along similar lines as bolded such as 'we need to win' and 'we need to solve the game' come across as posturing and wanting to seem town, it seems not genuine to me

 

[Damniel]

Alright fine I’ll reveal part of my hand: I’m a power role. Sorry for whatever chaos this causes but yall just need to trust me on this I’m so serious.

Making me king would basically guarantee a cleared slot on Day 3, and potentially keep me alive until Day 4. If there’s any amount of overthinking on whether I’m lying, it might not work. But I’d functionally be immune enough to take town into the endgame. For the love of god, take into account what I’ve been saying the last few phases and apply it to my current situation.

No, I won’t take questions on what my action is, I’ll let mafia guess how dangerous I am.

despite the claim, claiming hero does nothing to clear the slot besides just claiming a PR. In fact, the hero role is the one role that doesn’t want to be king as the whole mechanic of it is to want to be targeted. Yet Ness has pushed for king every single day at the start. This is not hero behavior

 

[Jacob4]

mmm
well I'm kinda confused why you'd want to vote me bc I expressed not liking Daniel, but...
sure...? I could kill Geoni I guess

yea I wouldn't vote for you if you were gonna kill dan but I trust you'd listen to me and kill someone more in the PoE like Geoni rather than dan

geoni seems like a fine kill, they're in a lot of the more plausible wolf team worlds

 

[Damniel]

@Jacob4 can we align our chakras for a moment I believe we can find each other

 

[Jacob4]

Also if we believe at least one of the mafia is one of the more vocal people with a strong influence on the game, that points to Ness or Tessa. I don’t think all the wolves are silent players

yup exactly what im thinking rn, in fact I think it's probably both of them

tbh I'd probably more more inclined to go tessa or ness for the king kill tonight than someone like geoni because I think for towns to win we need to stop the wolves controlling it like, now

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@Jacob4 can we align our chakras for a moment I believe we can find each other

ngl I'm already thinking you're fairly likely town based on you seeming to have independent thought processes that don't really meld with most other players, especially my more plausible wolf worlds, so I don't really think you're someone 'moving in a pack' if that makes sense

what are your thoughts on me rn? would be interested to hear cuz usually im good at reading people based on their approach towards me

 

[Damniel]

what are your thoughts on me rn? would be interested to hear cuz usually im good at reading people based on their approach towards me

Im beginning to believe your town, but I need you to see me for me I am. Look deep inside

 

[annika]

lmao

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I should probably check what ender was saying bc I realized I was only really sponging him on Jacob and forgot about his other reads

 

[Jacob4]

Im beginning to believe your town, but I need you to see me for me I am. Look deep inside

lol wdym? Like you want me to analyse your posts further?

Gonna go through everyone’s isos later so will do when I get to that but I’m not home rn

Day ends in like 11 hours right?

 

[Damniel]

lol wdym? Like you want me to analyse your posts further?

Gonna go through everyone’s isos later so will do when I get to that but I’m not home rn

Day ends in like 11 hours right?

I think so unless trundle moved the end time with the late post

 

[ribbitribbon]

@ribbitribbon @annika

Are either of you down to campaign for king today? ik dan is (I think) so won't bother asking him, really I only feel comfortable with voting one of you 3 today

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i still would like to campaign, but i was under the impression we were kinging volt. i agree that annika is likely town, from my reread annika also would be fine with being king.

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despite the claim, claiming hero does nothing to clear the slot besides just claiming a PR. In fact, the hero role is the one role that doesn’t want to be king as the whole mechanic of it is to want to be targeted. Yet Ness has pushed for king every single day at the start. This is not hero behavior

i already mentioned it somewhere but i think jester ness makes a lot of sense actually:

if y’all *really* think I’m lying then let’s elect the most unknown slots and have them kill me. Kill two birds with one stone.

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why do you think there's nothing to lose by voting (I assume to mean "killing" in this context) geoni if they're town? or are you saying you'd vote them to be king? I'm confused

i’m saying that’s my strongest wolf read and worst case we have another day

 

[Damniel]

i still would like to campaign, but i was under the impression we were kinging volt. i agree that annika is likely town, from my reread annika also would be fine with being king.

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i already mentioned it somewhere but i think jester ness makes a lot of sense actually:

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i’m saying that’s my strongest wolf read and worst case we have another day

Speculating third party is always really difficult and risky so the jester theory is just in the back of my mind. But if he is jester I don’t mind killing him anyway since that at least meant town didn’t die and a pesky role is taken out. That or he can just be mafia. A hero wanting to be king every single day goes against the role and claiming PR at EoD skewed voting so we can’t analyze that so it’s an anti-town move. He claimed kinging him would “basically guarantee a cleared slot”, but that’s literally not possible as hero. I thought he was implying an investigative role that had caught a wolf, but no. He also kept saying D1 and D2 that he was scared he would probably be killed but a hero is not a role mafia would want to kill

 

[ribbitribbon]

Speculating third party is always really difficult and risky so the jester theory is just in the back of my mind. But if he is jester I don’t mind killing him anyway since that at least meant town didn’t die and a pesky role is taken out. That or he can just be mafia. A hero wanting to be king every single day goes against the role and claiming PR at EoD skewed voting so we can’t analyze that so it’s an anti-town move. He claimed kinging him would “basically guarantee a cleared slot”, but that’s literally not possible as hero. I thought he was implying an investigative role that had caught a wolf, but no. He also kept saying D1 and D2 that he was scared he would probably be killed but a hero is not a role mafia would want to kill

that’s why i said i was convinced he was cop padding for another report

when trent died i even thought trent was a mime or something

i would like ness’ reasoning on why hiding and baiting mafia king wasn’t a better strategy to keep esp if he fosed the king pool

 

[N e s s]

For Pete’s sake.

1. No, I’m not Jester. That is irrelevant.
2. This is just messed up.

despite the claim, claiming hero does nothing to clear the slot besides just claiming a PR. In fact, the hero role is the one role that doesn’t want to be king as the whole mechanic of it is to want to be targeted. Yet Ness has pushed for king every single day at the start. This is not hero behavior

So what, now that it’s convenient for you to do so, you’ve thrown away every possible thought that you had that I could be town. No amount of “Ness wouldn’t do that to Chris” or “Ness has fluid posts,” it’s because I’m the hero.

Awful gosh diddly dang convenient for you, isn’t it Dan? @Arstotzkan @voltairenism are you SEEING this?

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And I’m just saying, why would I not want to be kinged at all, when my role has a higher probability of just killing town. In what world do I stay alive to endgame, not claim my role, and then just kill the mafia. No, far more likely I just kill town and lose.

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Like I’m just flabbergasted at this point, Dan if you are town then I’m just done at this point. I say that with a 1000% conviction that I have no words.

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Speculating third party is always really difficult and risky so the jester theory is just in the back of my mind. But if he is jester I don’t mind killing him anyway since that at least meant town didn’t die and a pesky role is taken out. That or he can just be mafia. A hero wanting to be king every single day goes against the role and claiming PR at EoD skewed voting so we can’t analyze that so it’s an anti-town move. He claimed kinging him would “basically guarantee a cleared slot”, but that’s literally not possible as hero. I thought he was implying an investigative role that had caught a wolf, but no. He also kept saying D1 and D2 that he was scared he would probably be killed but a hero is not a role mafia would want to kill

1. No amount of myself explaining my plan would satiate you.

2. Did it occur that if I never claimed, I could have been killed due to being townread or that my insistence on king indicated PR?

 

[Damniel]

@oath2order do you have thoughts on who should be king? Or anything you want to share in general

Annika can be town but I’m not really sure. That’s probably the slot I have the hardest time reading the most. In my PoE Annika is lower though but I wouldn’t go for her first

I’m hoping arost and geoni come in today for some thoughts