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[Byngo]

is that all you needed to vote for Jacob? seems like a quick jump?
or do you have some other reasoning for voting him right now?

also why did Apple vote for Hayden? The last I saw he just said "because he is scummy"
however if he thinks he is scummy for the same reasons as Jacob then I'm not really convinced on him either

well if u'd look through my posts you'd see Jacob has been my top sus

and I'll be honest I'm throwing on a vote now because I'm going to bed and if majority is reached I'll be dead

 

[toadsworthy]

I really didn't think it was necessary for me to dig up even more posts to relate the examples I pointed out, I thought everyone in the game was capable enough to think of their own lynch candidate.
I said to find your own examples and apply it to a meta if you felt like it, I'm not making anybody do it and I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe me. I'm just justifying why I think Heyden is mafia because Ness asked for it.

And if you think that my thoughts on Heyden are wrong then go ahead and formulate your own reads on someone else, don't just vote me because you think one of us has to be mafia. That's extremely toxic, lazy, and scummy behavior.

I'm only getting a little frustrated because I spent a lot of time going back and forth between games to try and write up that analysis as neatly and easy to understand as possible, and I'm not really sure how that equates to scummy behavior.

OK, I understand you did a lot of work on that... I can clearly tell. I'm not discounting that, but you did that and ended up saying that Hayden is scum by looking at his meta because in a previous game when he was mafia he was serious from the start.

Scum Heyden is often serious, getting to the point about his reads and thoughts on a mafia game

you said for people to go look at his posts and decide where they fall based on your meta-analysis. So I did. and what I saw were the quotes that I quoted just a second ago. I saw him being not serious, which follows your meta-analysis as heyden being town, not scum.... so I just find it completely looney that you made a meta-analysis essentially saying

serious heyden = scum
casual heyden = town

ended by saying you think he is scum because of that, but didn't go back and look at his actual posts from this game to see he actually has a fair amount of joking posts

 

[Jacob]

OK, I understand you did a lot of work on that... I can clearly tell. I'm not discounting that, but you did that and ended up saying that Hayden is scum by looking at his meta because in a previous game when he was mafia he was serious from the start.


you said for people to go look at his posts and decide where they fall based on your meta-analysis. So I did. and what I saw were the quotes that I quoted just a second ago. I saw him being not serious, which follows your meta-analysis as heyden being town, not scum.... so I just find it completely looney that you made a meta-analysis essentially saying

serious heyden = scum
casual heyden = town

ended by saying you think he is scum because of that, but didn't go back and look at his actual posts from this game to see he actually has a fair amount of joking posts

Trust me, I went back and looked at them. Maybe I'm reading different posts or maybe I'm interpreting them different than you.
If you do not find Heyden scummy thats fine. I just want a reason for why you're voting me.

 

[toadsworthy]

Trust me, I went back and looked at them. Maybe I'm reading different posts or maybe I'm interpreting them different than you.
If you do not find Heyden scummy thats fine. I just want a reason for why you're voting me.

my reason for voting you is *first read my last post* I know you did though Jacob

I think your meta-analysis and reason for voting Hayden do not match up at all and is evidenced by the 5-6 joking posts I quoted from heyden like a page or so ago. So to me it just looks like an elaborate effort to sus Hayden since you both are in the spotlight, hoping people will just believe you... hence why you are backing it up right now by saying "don't just believe me, go read for yourself"... you just aren't adding up and it feels scummy as crap to me

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also I'm sorry Hayden/Heyden for constantly switching how I spell it.... I'm simultaneously, wrong, and spellchecked

 

[Jacob]

So to me it just looks like an elaborate effort to sus Hayden since you both are in the spotlight, hoping people will just believe you...

This just doesn't make sense to me because I have been saying Heyden was suspicious since Day 1, before I was in the spotlight

 

[Primarina]

I'm going to have to vote for Jacob based on the most recent posts, and also given the fact that I was already suspicious of him.

 

[Jacob]

It's easy playing sheep, isn't it

I'm done for tonight.

 

[Bowie]

Apple voted for Heyden because he knew I was on his back and if he didn't vote for the person all the other Townies were voting for he would be under everybody else's suspicion. Couldn't defend any of my points against him.

Headache is still here, so I'm off (again). Will be lurking, though.

 

[toadsworthy]

This just doesn't make sense to me because I have been saying Heyden was suspicious since Day 1, before I was in the spotlight

well regardless of that, your reasoning for it now makes absolutely no sense to me and contradicts itself, hence why I voted you

this disconnect were having right here, is exactly why in like my first post questioning your meta-anlaysis I straight up asked you to bring up Heyden's specific posts that support your claim that he is adhering to his meta of being scum by being serious... but you shrugged it off. So if you want to vote for Hayden based on his meta (like you already did) I would like to see these posts because I'm not convinced he is following scum meta and I can bring up (and I already have) 5 posts where he is joking following his town meta that you pointed out. So literally your argument for your vote on Hayden makes no sense to me based on what you have presented

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It's easy playing sheep, isn't it

I'm done for tonight.

You're acting like your meta-analysis based heyden vote is rock solid... but its not, I literally pointed it out already
I asked for you to elaborate because I didn't understand how you drew the conclusions you did, but instead you said "it wasn't necessary" WELL CLEARLY IT IS

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literally pointed out its flaws already* is what I meant to say

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I'm going to have to vote for Jacob based on the most recent posts, and also given the fact that I was already suspicious of him.

did you really read Jacob's meta-analysis? did you read my questioning of it? did you then go back and look at heyden's specific posts and make your own conclusion?

 

[Primarina]

did you really read Jacob's meta-analysis? did you read my questioning of it? did you then go back and look at heyden's specific posts and make your own conclusion?

Yes, but not every single word. Yes, I did. And I don't see the point of re-reading all of Heyden's posts as I remember his general tone so far, and I'm just more suspicious of Jacob because I think his giant wall of text is perhaps a strategy to get everyone's eyes to more or less glaze over and just agree with him, not unlike what you suggested.

 

[Nightmares]

Ok here is my META analysis on Heyden

This game: I am pinning my suspicion on him to fall under his scum play. I've played quite a few games with Heyden, and I like to think I'm able to catch the differences between his alignments.

At the time I am posting this, Heyden's activity is high; Third highest in the game. 49 posts made by day 2.

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Scum game: Overwatch Mafia

This is the game I will be taking examples of Heyden's scum behavior from.

In Overwatch mafia, his activity was high, 50 posts made by day 2, even after being replaced in.
- Upon initial viewing, Heyden's activity while playing as scum is generally higher, generating more posts and thus applying more thought and effort into shielding himself from looking like scum.

I filtered through all of Heyden's posts from this game and pulled out quotes that reflected my statement that as scum, Heyden puts a significantly more amount of useful, even though fake, content:

a.
*A respectable analysis of a lot of players, this was Heyden's first post after the RQS. This demonstrates how he jumps right into the seriousness of the game.


b.
* This is Heyden's very second post after the RQS. Still keeping his ideas on track, while loosening up his language and grammar. Probably trying to mask the formality to make it look like he isn't trying.


So right off the bat, it's not difficult to tell that as mafia, Heyden takes his games fairly seriously.
His next 7 or 8 posts all work the same, on the track of the thread, commenting on other people?s ideas.

c.

As demonstrated in this quote, scum Heyden likes to comment a lot on the number of mafia players in a game and subtly probe players into outting their roles or their strategies (As seen in the second and third lines), very similarly to the way he was outright asking players to claim earlier this game, which is also why I called him out for it. Instead of asking Endless who he bussed last night, he should've waited for endless to disclose that information, just like how a role claim should work.

Now don't get me wrong, a lot if not most mafia players have this same playing style as town, but upon further analysis on Heyden's town play, it's not hard to see why I think Heyden is scum in this game.

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Town Game: Miraculous Ladybug Cultists

This is the biggest most recent game Heyden has participated in as town. It was from a few months ago, but it's definitely worth taking a deep look into for play style.

As for the post count in Miraculous Ladybug mafia, Heyden's activity was reasonably high, but he only made 51 posts by the end of Night 3. Before all else, this is a huge signifier that less effort was executed as town.


d.
*One of the very first posts made by Heyden in Day 0, a probing day for information.

Straight up lack of interest in the game from the very beginning. This is in huge contrast to what his first posts looked like in Overwatch mafia. Take it as you will.

From here on out, Heyden's posts as town are lackluster. Many veterans who I know who have played with Heyden know and describe him as a wild card, posting whatever comes to his mind even if it acts to confuse town purposely. And this style actually tends to work out, people have a hard time reading a play that doesn't reflect actual concrete thought processes. However this is not the play style Heyden is using in this current game.

Here are some quotes to back up what I am claiming:

e.

f.
* This was his reaction to Glow getting killed Night one, exactly like this game. As I mentioned before because they?re friends he takes it as a joke. There is nothing serious in his reaction to a mislynch and this just strengthens the idea that as town, Heyden just doesn?t care about screwing up or saying the wrong thing.

g.

h.

i.

j.
* This post is in retaliation to someone calling out Heyden for making a joke statement about being culted.

If you pull up any of the posts in this game currently, it's really difficult to find this many non-serious wild card quotes. I hardly found any emojis which is a pretty prominent part of Heyden's posts when he is comfortable! (Obviously not serious, yet something worth considering! The little things matter.)

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So now since I went through Heyden's contrasting play style, you should be able to pick out any post heyden made in this game and decide which category it falls under.

* Taking a quick look back on the post counts also:
49 posts in 3 cycles in current game
50 posts in 3 cycles in scum game
51 posts in 7 cycles in town game *

He is not playing as he usually does as town and I find it extremely unsettling. For this reason, I think Heyden is scum.


TL;DR: Scum Heyden is often serious, getting to the point about his reads and thoughts on a mafia game. Town Heyden is extremely loose and not serious or concerned about consequences.
In the current game, Heyden is matching his usual scum play.

In this current game, I feel like he's more Town from what you're saying?

 

[Heyden]

Also majority is 7 and we're still waiting on Mog/Luca/Uttmori to make any vote so they don't get modkilled so don't forget.

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Actually maybe can we get a replacement for Uttumori or something, 3 posts in 4+ days is just annoying

 

[ZetaFunction]

voting ##VOTE: No Lynch until i finish reading and catching up and making a conclusion

 

[N e s s]

I like how Nightmares just came in out of the blue and randomly voted for Jacob without much reasoning

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^sarcasm, btw. It's scummy.

 

[mogyay]

This is so iffy to me.. maybe i need to reread the thread again but I'm just not feeling this lynch on jacob at all. If we lose a town member and two of us die tomorrow night we have basically lost. I'm sure jacob looks sus (tbh he always looks a bit sus to me lol) but shouldn't we go with the more logical choice which is hayden? Also i refuse to believe glow was wrong about three people

 

[Nightmares]

I like how Nightmares just came in out of the blue and randomly voted for Jacob without much reasoning

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^sarcasm, btw. It's scummy.

I don't see why need to clarify that but
ok

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*why you need

 

[moonford]

Wowy a lot has happened in my absence.

Sorry for not being active.

I'll read over it now and I honestly still feel the most sus of Jacob, we'll see if that changes.

 

[Bowie]

I'm still convinced Nightmares and Apple are trying to blend in with everybody else, to be honest. Apple hasn't been able to say a word in retaliation and I get very suspicious vibes from Nightmares.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I'm still convinced Nightmares and Apple are trying to blend in with everybody else, to be honest. Apple hasn't been able to say a word in retaliation and I get very suspicious vibes from Nightmares.

What do you want me to say lol? Your entire suspicion on me is that you have a gut feeling. I'm also not mafia so that is that.

 

[Nightmares]

I'm still convinced Nightmares and Apple are trying to blend in with everybody else, to be honest. Apple hasn't been able to say a word in retaliation and I get very suspicious vibes from Nightmares.

I don't see how I'm "trying to blend in" tbqh, and I'm not really sure what you mean by that
I'm also not really sure why Apple is scum, and I'm not sure you've explained why you're sus enough