Are you Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Croconaw]

Are you pro-choice or pro-life, and why?

I am pro-choice because a woman should be able to do what she wants with her body. Abortion is a choice, in my opinion.

 

[LambdaDelta]

show me someone that's pro-life and not just pro-fetus **** everything else

 

[Loubelle]

I guess I would say I'm pro-choice because, like you said, a woman can do what she wants with her body. I think it's nice to have the option in case you're not ready or can't care for a child properly. With that being said, I don't think it should be used as a crutch to be irresponsible with sexual activities. I think if you are going to participate in such activities, you should be aware that pregnancies can happen and that it isn't really something to take lightly

 

[Vinathi]

Definitely pro-choice. An individual should have the freedom to choose what they want to do with their bodies, especially when it comes to babies. I go to a college in a rural area and it blows my mind how hardcore my coworkers can be about abortion. They're all saying stuff about wanting to get rid of the choice to abort. It's sickening, because what if a woman gets pregnant because the condom broke or something, and they can't afford to have the baby? Or birth control failed? Or sexually assaulted????

 

[Croconaw]

Definitely pro-choice. An individual should have the freedom to choose what they want to do with their bodies, especially when it comes to babies. I go to a college in a rural area and it blows my mind how hardcore my coworkers can be about abortion. They're all saying stuff about wanting to get rid of the choice to abort. It's sickening, because what if a woman gets pregnant because the condom broke or something, and they can't afford to have the baby? Or birth control failed? Or sexually assaulted????

I agree. It should definitely be a choice. Unfortunately, so many people are against abortion.

 

[visibleghost]

access to abortion and birth control is a human right, people have the right to decide what happens to their own body.

 

[mitfy]

pro choice. people w/ uteruses should have control of their own body and what they do to it.

 

[-Apples-]

Pro-life. Although I believe abortion should be legal everywhere in cases of rape and to save the mother's life, I believe states have the right to restrict abortions if it were for any other reason, more specifically if the mother is old enough, mature enough, financially capable, and in a healthy relationship.

- If I had to choose between outlawing abortions for some cases or legalizing them for all cases, I would outlaw them except for serious cases.
- But I'm more in favor of states having the right to regulate abortions than banning them everywhere. This is a state issue in my opinion.
- But my strongest issue when it comes to abortions is not on bans or legalizations. It's on coverage mandates. Basically speaking, I'm for the ban of taxpayer funds to abortions more than I am for banning abortions. And no, I don't support banning taxpayer-funded abortions or birth control coverage mandates to inhibit women's rights. It's because if you're not a healthcare professional or the one receiving an abortion, it's none of your business. That argument can be used to support legalizing abortions, but that also means they shouldn't be involved in any way. No government funds, nobody else's support, it's just between the doctor, the patient, and the insurance.

It is true that I support bans or regulations since I identify with pro-life, but if banning them is not an option, I could at least give people the right to not support it, even if the patient needs support.

 

[Ghost Soda]

pro-choice through and through. i'm not going to debate over this, so don't bother responding, but i will leave this here:

Fun fact: If my younger sister was in a car accident and desperately needed a blood transfusion to live, and I was the only person on Earth who could donate blood to save her, and even though donating blood is a relatively easy, safe, and quick procedure no one can force me to give blood. Yes, even to save the life of a fully grown person, it would be ILLEGAL to FORCE me to donate blood if I didn?t want to.

See, we have this concept called ?bodily autonomy.? It?s this?.cultural notion that a person?s control over their own body is above all important and must not be infringed upon.

Like, we can?t even take LIFE SAVING organs from CORPSES unless the person whose corpse it is gave consent before their death. Even corpses get bodily autonomy.

To tell people that they MUST sacrifice their bodily autonomy for 9 months against their will in an incredibly expensive, invasive, difficult process to save what YOU view as another human life (a debatable claim in the early stages of pregnancy when the VAST majority of abortions are performed) is desperately unethical. You can?t even ask people to sacrifice bodily autonomy to give up organs they aren?t using anymore after they have died.

You?re asking people who can become pregnant to accept less bodily autonomy than we grant to dead bodies.

 

[Fleshy]

Pro-choice, I used to be a lot stronger and more forward about being pro-choice, and although I'm still pro-choice, I'm a lot more on the fence now.

I believe there should be more help for women who have frequent abortions, I don't believe in negative stigma or shaming women for having abortions, but I really don't think they should be normalised quite the way they are in society (or what I see of it at least), they are a costly and serious procedure which not only affects the woman having the abortion, but those around her. There needs to be more education about prevention and other options, as I think abortion should be a "last resort" emergency type thing, so to speak. There should be intervention with women who use abortion as plan B, and they should be educated about contraception instead.

I have also seen abortion used to manipulate Fathers and men in general. I know abortion is a woman's issue, but I find it a little biased to fail to acknowledge the fact that abortion is often taken advantage of and used as a manipulation tactic towards men. Of course it should be a woman's choice what she does with her body, but it is a little more complicated when that choice could have a beyond massive affect on someone else's life, for example; terminating a pregnancy, especially a late-term pregnancy, of which the child would have been provided for completely by the Father, just under the vise of not wanting the child, or "body autonomy". There's also the culturally-normalised idea of "keeping" a man by purposefully becoming pregnant, only to later terminate said pregnancy; abuse of not only the Father, but the health system also. Of course not everything is so black and white though.

tldr: I do not believe abortion should be de-legalised or criminalised, my main problems with abortion don't lie with the act of terminating a pregnancy, but with how society as a whole views and supports abortion. First and foremost, we need better Sex Ed.

show me someone that's pro-life and not just pro-fetus **** everything else

A lot of people. I'm not technically pro-life, but the part of my thoughts on the issue that lean more towards pro-life are focused around Economical issues, misuse of services, mental health (especially in vulnerable women and women suffering addiction), issues with sex education in school, and mainly, Paternal rights.

 

[Imbri]

As someone who has faced this decision, I can tell you that it isn't made lightly. And every situation is different, and those directly involved should be making the call.

I've reached an age where this is no longer a question for me, but it isn't just about access. Birth control and basic autonomy are tied to it, in the minds of many people, if not in the laws. The women coming after us should not have to fight the same battles.

 

[nintendofan85]

Pro-choice at this point. I changed my view a couple of years ago.

 

[suiriri]

Pro-choice all the way, mainly due to the bodily autonomy thing. But I think that the person thinking about it (and maybe the other person involved) should receive couseling, not to try to stop her, but because there probably are other options and it is a hard choice to make.

 

[Corrie]

Pro choice. Don't force someone to carry/keep a baby that they dont want.

 

[Romaki]

I'm against abortions, but I think no one has the right to take away someone else's choice.

 

[visibleghost]

Pro-life. Although I believe abortion should be legal everywhere in cases of rape and to save the mother's life, I believe states have the right to restrict abortions if it were for any other reason, more specifically if the mother is old enough, mature enough, financially capable, and in a healthy relationship.

- If I had to choose between outlawing abortions for some cases or legalizing them for all cases, I would outlaw them except for serious cases.
- But I'm more in favor of states having the right to regulate abortions than banning them everywhere. This is a state issue in my opinion.
- But my strongest issue when it comes to abortions is not on bans or legalizations. It's on coverage mandates. Basically speaking, I'm for the ban of taxpayer funds to abortions more than I am for banning abortions. And no, I don't support banning taxpayer-funded abortions or birth control coverage mandates to inhibit women's rights. It's because if you're not a healthcare professional or the one receiving an abortion, it's none of your business. That argument can be used to support legalizing abortions, but that also means they shouldn't be involved in any way. No government funds, nobody else's support, it's just between the doctor, the patient, and the insurance.

It is true that I support bans or regulations since I identify with pro-life, but if banning them is not an option, I could at least give people the right to not support it, even if the patient needs support.

so you want rich people to be able to get abortions but not poor people? why

edit: like i get it you don't like universal healthcare and we've been over that before and i guess that ties into this but making something as basic as control over what happens to your own body something that not everyone can afford is terrible, dangerous and only widens the gap between rich and poor people. i think it's more important that people get access to these basic things than it is that some annoying person doesn't get their poor feelings hurt because their taxes that already fund the actual military also fund The Baby Killing that is abortion.
edit2: like not to bring in anti military stuff here but i'm just saying that if you're against paying for other people's abortions because it's "murder" you should also have a problem with paying for actual murder, violence and war.

 

[-Apples-]

so you want rich people to be able to get abortions but not poor people? why

I don't want to force taxpayers to pay for someone else's abortions. It's none of their business, so why get involved? Plus, what if it goes against their religious beliefs. Sure they can't use it to ban abortion anywhere, but they can use it to not pay for someone else's abortion. It's morally wrong.

 

[Midoriya]

There’s not a poll for this and I’m not really a political person, so I’m going to say both.


IMO, pro-choice should only be for cases where it was rape or involuntary, or there’s actually something wrong with the unborn baby and it would be better to abort. But if it’s two healthy, financially stable people, whether they are married or not, and they knew the risks going into it, then it should be pro-life.


^I feel like the only and best way this will ever be resolved is if it’s a compromise like that, and everything is done case by case depending on who the two people in question are.

 

[visibleghost]

I don't want to force taxpayers to pay for someone else's abortions. It's none of their business, so why get involved? Plus, what if it goes against their religious beliefs. Sure they can't use it to ban abortion anywhere, but they can use it to not pay for someone else's abortion. It's morally wrong.

oh i edited my earlier post a little before i saw you replied sry.

plenty of things taxes are used for are morally wrong but you don't really see pro lifers protesting actual wrongdoings and crimes against human rights funded by taxes. it's kind of hypocritical.

putting the lives of fetuses over the lives of (usually) women is extremely weird. the reasons people get an abortion aren't "lol this is fun, i love getting abortions!", most of the time people get abortions because they can't, won't or don't want to raise a child. stopping them from ending the pregnancy isn't going to magically make those problems disappear and it leads to more children being raised in bad conditions by parents unable or unwilling to care for them.

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There’s not a poll for this and I’m not really a political person, so I’m going to say both.


IMO, pro-choice should only be for cases where it was rape or involuntary, or there’s actually something wrong with the unborn baby and it would be better to abort. But if it’s two healthy, financially stable people, whether they are married or not, and they knew the risks going into it, then it should be pro-life.


^I feel like the only and best way this will ever be resolved is if it’s a compromise like that, and everything is done case by case depending on who the two people in question are.

something i find interesting about the "if it was rape" argument is how will you know if it was rape? could you just say "yo i was raped" and get an abortion or would you have to prove it in any way, like with evidence from court or hospital? because if you would just be able to say that you were raped that's a neat loophole for anyone who wants an abortion. but many victims of rape don't go to a hospital directly after it happens, and a terrifyingly high amount of rape cases never get solved and never lead to someone getting convicted, even if a rape happened. so how exactly would you want it to work?

 

[-Apples-]

oh i edited my earlier post a little before i saw you replied sry.

plenty of things taxes are used for are morally wrong but you don't really see pro lifers protesting actual wrongdoings and crimes against human rights funded by taxes. it's kind of hypocritical.

putting the lives of fetuses over the lives of (usually) women is extremely weird. the reasons people get an abortion aren't "lol this is fun, i love getting abortions!", most of the time people get abortions because they can't, won't or don't want to raise a child. stopping them from ending the pregnancy isn't going to magically make those problems disappear and it leads to more children being raised in bad conditions by parents unable or unwilling to care for them.

It actually offensive to insult the military like that. And it's off-topic since it's not related to abortions. Plus, if you care about the innocent killed by our soldiers, you should also care about the innocent killed by the evil forces our soldiers are targeting.

And those reasons you listed are the reasons why I'm against it. While I believe abortion is murder, some of these reasons may turn out to be murder out of laziness.

Reasons to have an abortion (and when I support it):
- Mother is going to die - Yes
- Baby cannot survive no matter what - Yes
- Incest/Inbred - Yes
- Rape - Yes
- Too young - Maybe
- Not mature enough - Maybe
- Too poor to have children - Maybe
- Having children can disrupt jobs - Maybe not
- Unstable relationship and don't want a pregnancy - Maybe not
- Mature enough, but don't want children at the time - No
- Don't want kids - No
- Didn't want a girl and wanted a boy instead and vice versa - Definitely no

It's not just about what reasons they should be legal for. Those are the reasons of when I will support it or not, like if I should pay for it even when I'm not a patient or insurer.