Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[Ryumia]

What is happening here?! :0 Everything is getting chaotic all of a sudden.

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We were suppose to go with the tie vote for Town's security blanket...

 

[glow]

@ Punchy : if you're Town, why would you not address glow's post to correct a conclusion she reached that YOU state elsewhere cannot be accurate??

@ glow : given what Punchy said above in particular (in response to Evans's questions), what do think of Punchy and his claim now?

nani tf what the **** is the point of a bomb with a vest

 

[KermitTea]

Amazon can you unvote Punchy so I can vote him first? Or I can go last but I can’t guarantee being able to be online a the right time for that to happen unless enough votes are piled within the next hour

 

[Ryumia]

*I meant... ILoveYou's plan of self voting and the tie vote

 

[iLoveYou]

Amazon can you unvote Punchy so I can vote him first? Or I can go last but I can’t guarantee being able to be online a the right time for that to happen unless enough votes are piled within the next hour

Personally I want you to go first because you have Gigalabash's role and I found them suspicious since Day One.

 

[amazonevan19]

One person votes and it's "chaos" ...lol

I really don't believe Punchy and thus we shouldn't have any problem mass voting him now regardless of order.

Amazon can you unvote Punchy so I can vote him first? Or I can go last but I can’t guarantee being able to be online a the right time for that to happen unless enough votes are piled within the next hour

*sighs* fine whatever...

 

[KermitTea]

Personally I want you to go first because you have Gigalabash's role and I found them suspicious since Day One.

no offence but you can’t even get this straight I replaced mog and thats why you were harping on me 10mins into the game and now you think I replaced another person?

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10mins after I replaced into the game*

 

[iLoveYou]

no offence but you can’t even get this straight I replaced mog and thats why you were harping on me 10mins into the game and now you think I replaced another person?

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10mins after I replaced into the game*

Ooh that was my mistake then. I thought you replaced Gig.

 

[amazonevan19]

no offence but you can’t even get this straight I replaced mog and thats why you were harping on me 10mins into the game and now you think I replaced another person?

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10mins after I replaced into the game*

I was gonna say, Kermit didn't replace Giga...lmao

 

[iLoveYou]

I was gonna say, Kermit didn't replace Giga...lmao

My bad, too many replacements.

 

[Ryumia]

Is anyone going to bother to explain to me this chaotic mess? Like at all?

 

[cornimer]

iLoveYou ISO
*With Spoilers So I Don't Take Up The Whole Page*
I'm not even going to look at all her posts about the RQS system and wanting to lynch coasters. Basically, there are Too Many. When I was reading in obs, I thought she was trying to get out of scum hunting, and I mean if you look how many people responded to her arguments they did kind of derail the thread. But I don't know if, as mafia, she would make such bold and distracting statements.

Spoiler: First post not about RQS/lynching coasters

Wait why is Dolby "Town" for you yet GhostKid is "probably Town" ? To me that just looks like you're confirming Dolby right off the bat while the nub gets "probably Town". Let's not rule out Dokby that quickly. Just as you wouldn't anyone else.

Also Punchy is distracting. Why would you jump on a player like him and label him as "possible mafia". Although I am definitely not ruling him out. I just mean he seems too much like an easy target right now.

These were just the first questions that came to my mind from your post Trundle. The rest I can't comment on yet because I feel they haven't posted enough.

I like that she questioned Trundle, this shows the right frame of mind for finding scum. However make note of the punchy comment should he flip scum (which I'll be SHOCKED if he doesn't), seems like she was lowkey trying to get people away from him.

Spoiler: First mention of sus of Tom

That actually crossed my mind too about Tom. All he did so far was post a meme and help a nub player out. I can't even comment further than that on him because that is all he provided us with.

This was like, post #144 in he thread. That would be really early to start bussing a partner if they were mafia together, especially one with such valuable powers as Tom.

Spoiler: More on RQS

That's fine I completely understand that you guys prefer information over choosing a nuisance for Day One. I do see your point about not lynching the players that tend to stay alive towards the end but I hope you see my point too about how leaving them in the game promotes the ideal endgame scenario for mafia. Other than that Dad is right, I barely found time to try to get my own opinions out there because I was stuck on the defence for my views on wanting to lynch a player that would be the most likely to slide by until the end.

To be fair, it looks like she was trying to drop the RQS discussion here, but other people kept bringing it up after.

Spoiler: more from the same post as above

So besides Tom not posting much, Trundle clearing people as Town too quickly without providing good reasons and too many players falling silent but still viewing the thread .. I wanted to bring this post up super quickly as well:
*post by Heyden*
This is just stating the obvious. I feel like you definitely should be joining us more in the conversations we have going on in this thread because this post is not enough. If anything it just looks like you've covered yourself with a blanket of pro-town advice in an attempt to blend in.

That actually goes for Jacob too. I don't know if you usually play like this so I'm taking a leap with this entire paragraph, but your posts just focused on the fact that Punchy shouldn't have advised me to read up on old threads. Do you have any thoughts on anything else besides that one little moment from Punchy ? So much more has happened besides that so I feel like you're sitting back a bit when you clearly have some constructive opinions, that you can add to the thread. I did like what you pointed out to Punchy by the way. I would have also mentioned Antonio but he already posted that he will be making a post so I'm looking forward to that, especially since so far his only thoughts were .. yet again .. on typical, easy, distraction Punchy.

Questioning quite a few players here, I like that.

Spoiler: About Fire Ninja

Something that is bothering me a lot about a potential lynching of FireNinja1 is that he seems to be making carefree moves ( voting Punchy right away and keeping it there while appearing to not give a **** ). Should he be mafia, wouldn't he have to worry about staying alive to represent KP ?

Early stance on Fire Ninja, noting because assuming he is town he could've been a really easy BW for scum on D1 but she isn't getting on it.

Ok a quick break from iLoveYou to pull up a Punchy quote I just found

tbh I'm fine with my lynch if it gets FN killed

May have been trying to say that if he gets lynched and flips town (lol) then we can go after fire ninja, but could he have been saying FN would die by keeping his lynch vote on him???

Ok back to our regular scheduled programming

Spoiler: First semblance of a reads post

Antonio

He has been constantly saying that he will be making posts and then not posting. I think he is relying on the thread exploding from replies for us to forget about him promising to make posts. To add to that, for some reason he chose to call out other players who haven't posted much / yet. The fact that he knew certain people were not active, means that he is keeping up with the thread in some way. So essentially him and Katezilla are keeping up with the thread but not posting quality posts to help us find mafia. I feel like it is a possibility that those two players are trying to hide amongst the sea of quiet players. I agree with Heyden that he would be an ideal lynch candidate. Does anyone know if Antonio has invisible mode on ?


Tom

He hasn't been posting much at all and amongst the few times he did, he only posted to agree with me. Looking back, I think he was using me as a "shield" in the sense that he stood behind my words without making a post on his own opinions. So essentially I think he found a way to try to blend into the crowd as Runeraider, and others, have mentioned. Even when people keep calling him out on it, he hasn't responded. I feel like he needs to be kept an eye on, especially with the way he votes & reason for voting.


Trundle

He is trying way too hard to get in Dolby's good graces. From "clearing" Dolby as definite Town early on ( compared to GhostKid ), to saying he's surprised he isn't getting Town read by him .. I just think that he is trying to "hide" and not have to deal with Dolby. Why would he do that ? Potentially because Dolby is actively scum hunting. The issue is that I haven't played with him in years so I can't read his play style as well as others. You guys seem to be leaning Town on him but I can't shake off the feeling that he's trying to "hide" under Dolby who everyone is getting Town leans on. I would not suggest him for a Day One lynch but I do suggest we keep an eye on him at best.


Katezilla

I've seen her come to read the thread and leave too many times. She's keeping up with the thread but not posting nearly as much. Like I said a few pages ago, I believe she may be taking advantage of there being quite a few silent players, to hide amongst them. Dad brings up a good point:
*quote from Dad*
Can anyone confirm if this is how Katezilla usually plays ?


On a side note, I'm curious to see if a player like Gagablush, will vote considering what little they did in this thread lols. If they vote, then I feel like something may be going on. It's obvious to me that Antonio and Katezilla will vote because they have been keeping up with the thread ( based on their posts ) but not posting nearly enough. So I'm curious to see who they will vote for and why. I'm leaning towards placing a vote on one of those two ( Antonio or Kate ) for now ( depending on their posts, if they do make any ).

She's mainly going after inactives here. I mean she said from the beginning that this was basically her thing, but it lowkey comes off as going after easy targets.

Spoiler: Response to being criticized for wanting to lynch inactives

You're right I don't believe it. I would hardly say I'm coasting by. Literally within hours of the game I was forced into the spotlight and had to fight my way through, explaining why I wanted a lynch I suggested. Had I been guided I obviously wouldn't have been that dumb to gather that much attention onto myself immediately. Also, I was not aware and am still not fully aware of the way people play. You guys told me there are many more stronger players, so the typical lynching policy of 2014 no longer applies. Lynching players deemed to be useless was extremely common back then. On top of that, in all of my games I was a strong advocate for that. We were always left with useless sheep-like players at the end back then.

Here we go again though, someone bringjng up the whole "Kayla wants to lynch deadweights". Since you did, I need to bring this up:

I want to bring up two points that I think need to be reviewed:

-Inactives ( hear me out )
-Bandwagoners

Starting with my favourite topic: inactives.

At the beginning Dolby and I made such a big deal going back and forth on players who are useless at endgame / inactives. Literally everyone was screaming "omg we are not lynching inactives". So if we use a little reverse psychology .. wouldn't that give mafia a place to hide ? Players are literally saying what they won't do, at least for Day One lynch. Would that explain why people are being oddly quiet ? Help me out, people who know some of these players' play styles.

Now for bandwagoners .. there are moments in this game that stand out as moments where mafia members may have seen an opportunity to post at an attempt of hiding or blending in.

- People using fillers in their post against the way I wanted to lynch even though I had dropped it.

When I moved on from discussing the lynch and started calling people out, there was a mini wave of players who decided to rehash the arguments from the big debate. Specifically Dolby's statements. Now given that players had already mentioned that they were leaning Town for Dolby and that it appeared he was actively scum hunting. That could have been a way for them to sneak some Town credit through filler posts.


1. Several players bandwagoning against my lynching views

I truly believe certain players were filling up their posts with differently worded statements from the Dolby arguments. They were just repeating things to add content in my opinion. Considering he was openly discussed as leaning Town other players could definitely take the opportunity to mimic his behaviour / views in the thread to create seemingly pro-Town posts. Players that fall in this category for me are: mogyay, Ryumia and Toad a tiny bit. At the moment Toad is my least suspected.

This does not mean I am dropping the people I suspect from my previous post.

Basically, even after coming under fire, she's still sticking to her guns and not backing off to try to look less scummy. I like that.

Spoiler: More exchange with Dad

Also Kayla reread that. I'm not saying you're coasting, I'm saying it's Tom and Oath who are coasting, and as an older player you would be surprised to see how bad and inactive their playstyles have gotten is what I'm saying.

Anyways, I'm really tired. Need my hour to eat, unwind, and go to bed. Do me a favor and please let me not wake up to a messy af EoD.

I was actually going to bring up the fact that he fell inactive shortly after players screamed their plan for Day One lynch ( " omg weare not lynching insctives" ). I'm on a mobile cellphone so making my posts is taking me longer than usual.

Putting more sus on Oath and Tom whereas Dad is defending them. I don't really want to point fingers at Dad for this because I also defended Tom on the premise of "he's usually inactive", but I guess it's worth noting that it happened.

Eh I don't want to quote all her D1 voting posts but she voted for Gig which I think was pretty justified. Also I would not be surprised if Gigmanda is scum, in which case she would be already bussing two teammates (Tom and Gig) which seems like a stretch when she easily could've voted Antonio, Kate, or Locket, who were all also inactive. Of course this argument is moot is Gig is town in which case she was just picked between four inactive town members (assuming Antonio is also town which I think he is now.)

Spoiler: After the lynch

A mafia member would try not to post so they don't have to worry about slipping up. Also, in this game, many different players were saying they did not want to lynch inactives on Day One. That alone could have created a safety blanket for the mafia to hide under -> resulting in them not feeling the need to post since inactives would not be considered a target to most players. That being said I think you should consider keeping Tom higher on your suspicion list.

If Glow were mafia, then why would she target her own suspicions to reveal them as Town ? Wouldn't she then be exposing herself ? I'm sorry but Tom needs to get lynched. He conveniently came around yesterday to post and place a vote on himself. Now ALREADY he has stopped posting again. He dropped by the thread for the night post and now he's gone again.

Immediately goes back to promoting Tom sus. I mean one could argue that she should've just voted Tom D1 if she was this confident, but maybe she wanted to give him more of a chance as a lot of people did.

Spoiler: On Dad and Glow

I agree with you that Dolby getting on Glow's case is pretty "random" ( for lack of a better word ) and that I never fully understood why he sided with you over Glow. Wasn't he just on Locket's case ? I don't get the switch, or if he still thinks Locket is mafia or what ? I actually agree with you that if Glow flips Town, you will be a number one mafia suspect. So if Dolby is supporting you and she flips Town, you would get the heat in my opinion and not Dokby as much.

To me it's just pretty obvious that a mafia wouldn't kill their own suspicions to reveal them as Town. It brings heat onto them immediately. Should Glow end up being mafia, I think that's a pretty amazing risk she tried to do because she would be risking getting lynched right away ? I don't know.

Noting this because she expressed suspicion of Dolby here and could've used it as an opportunity to join the Dolby wagon and get the lynch off Tom, but she didn't. Also I like the point in defense of Glow. If Glow is mafia I could potentially see them as a team, but at the exact moment that I'm writing this I think Dad could possibly be mafia in the Great Dad and Glow War of 2k18 due to recent developments.

Spoiler: Random post

Antonio & N e s s while you're still here, who are you voting for ? Leaning towards anyone ?

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RuneReyedah you too.

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LYNCH TOM DAY TWO let's go fam please let's not let him live another day. We might not even have any more Vigilantes who can do the job for us.

Really going hard for Tom, also I've noticed she asks people for their thoughts (as seen with Antonio and Ness here) a lot throughout the game. This could be taken as two ways, 1. as leading town or 2. trying to appear helpful as mafia. I know when I was scum in RHOM I went out of my way to be the town leader at the end so people would town read me (and it worked for a long time.) But as of right now I think her leadership is genuine.

Spoiler: another quote about glow

Well one thing I am noticing more and more about Glow is that her posts are appearing way too "comfortable " like she has nothing to worry about in terms of her position in this game. I feel like her jokes & sarcasm are a reflection of that too. It's just hard to read for me personally.

In the event that she's on a team with glow I could see this as an attempt to cast just a bit of sus on her so that she doesn't look too buddy-buddy but like I said before, I'm not seeing that as the most likely possibility right now.

Next few posts are debating Tom's quietness with me, obviously she won the debate ultimately and I admit I was thinking a bit too hard of reasons to defend him. That is because at this time, I thought Kayla was scum being opportunistic by pushing on an inactive so hard, especially when I'd seen Tom be inactive before.

Spoiler: Tom vs Dolby wagons

Okay let's play assume .. If Dolby is such a blue sniper, then why would he target Kate ?

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How did she give blue vibes to be their Night One target ? Because obviously looking at her posts there is nothing there.

She honestly had so many opportunities to switch to the Dolby wagon but she never did, she always defended him. Obviously, bussing is a possibility that cannot be ruled out. She could've been going SO HARD just to look extra good when Tom flipped scum. But, given how early in the game she started sussing such a valuable mafia member as I pointed out earlier, this looks unlikely. At the time this was happening, I thought Dolby and Kayla might be a team, as a few others did I think, but clearly that's not the case.

After Tom flipped, she did a lot of analysis on Ryumia. I wasn't too big a fan of this because I think anyone who looks at Ryumia's kingmaker play would see that she's been very similar (although recently she's starting to do more analysis, good job Ryumia.) I think Ryumia's an easy mislynch from a mafia perspective (obviously should she ever flip mafia I'm going to look bad) But I mean, at least Kayla had a lot of points to back her case up.

Spoiler: Tiny quote

I miss Dolby and Jacob already. :{

Wasn't a fan of this when I saw it because it struck me as a scum attempt to look like town grieving the death of two good players, but ofc it could be genuine

Spoiler: Punchy Issue

You were hit ?? Mafia KP is still 3 ?? WTF

I feel like if he is willing to vote himself then he might be Town. Why would a mafia want to kill themselves ?

1) I'm getting Town vibes from you because you're being way too cooperative in your own death.

2) Yes I know people will tell me maybe he's surrendering because he knows he can't walk out of this one.

Is no ine else getting Town vibes from him ?

I also agree that Punchy is always going to be one of those flip/flop is he Town or Mafia player for the rest of this game. He is a distraction and I really am not happy about that. What if he is Town and just messed up badly ( although he specifically did guess those things .. ) ? What if he is Mafia trying to get himself out of a lynch ? He was very confident during the time the voting thread was closed. Will he go through with things once it is opened ? Is he trying to test his luck ? WHO KNOWS, AND I HATE IT. He could literally be the one to slide to the end and win it for his mafia team or make us lose a lynch if he is actually Town.

I think her recent posts about Punchy are the thing I dislike the least about her play. The first quote, where she immediately believes he was actually hit, honestly looks like it was some sort of scripted mafia plan to get people to believe he was hit. The rest of the posts, her going back and forth about whether he is town or mafia looks like a way to make herself look good regardless of what he flips. I did a similar thing when I was scum in RHOM with Trundle. When she defends him, it feels different from Rune hardcore defending him (Rune is still pretty much a townlock for me.)

However, her most recent posts are the argument with Dad, and I definitely side with her in that argument.

In conclusion, I think iLoveYou is a slight town lean for me. I don't think she should be townlocked or considered out of the running for scum by any means, but the only thing that is really concerning to me is her recent posts about the Punchy issue, for the reasons I just stated above. I think that her going against Tom is very unlikely to be a bus because of how early on it started. If she did that as mafia, she deserves to win. Also, if Dad is scum, she is almost certainly town because of their recent interactions and how he just randomly came in and through sus on her.

I just spent the entirety of my 2 hour class doing that. Nobody say I haven't posted original thoughts anymore please and thank you

 

[amazonevan19]

Is anyone going to bother to explain to me this chaotic mess? Like at all?

(1) it's not a chaotic mess stop overreacting
(2) I unvoted so Karen could vote first in the 0.69% chance punchy will kill the player who votes first, then revoted punchy

 

[Ryumia]

(1) it's not a chaotic mess stop overreacting
(2) I unvoted so Karen could vote first in the 0.69% chance punchy will kill the player who votes first, then revoted punchy

Why are the votes on Punchy happening right now? We were still figuring out Punchy's role in this game.

 

[amazonevan19]

Vanessa, you said the punchy reaction is what concerns you the least about ILY, don't you mean concerns the most?

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Why are the votes on Punchy happening right now? We were still figuring out Punchy's role in this game.

because punchy is going to die today no matter what, and if town doesn't vote him because of his stupid fake ass roleclaim then we deserve to lose over being so scared to do the obvious

 

[Ryumia]

because punchy is going to die today no matter what, and if town doesn't vote him because of his stupid fake ass roleclaim then we deserve to lose over being so scared to do the obvious

I think we need more info before putting the hammer on to Punchy.

Karen, when you read this can you please invite for Punchy.

 

[iLoveYou]

Well, what's making me flip-flop on Punchy is the fact that he is willing to vote for himself to die. lol ke I said, why would a mafia do that as a lynch candidate ? Unless he knows he can't win and is trying to throw us off ? That's what I keep going back & forth on.

 

[Ryumia]

Bleh... I meant Unvote Punchy. Ugh... Dumb autocorrect. :/

 

[cornimer]

Vanessa, you said the punchy reaction is what concerns you the least about ILY, don't you mean concerns the most?

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because punchy is going to die today no matter what, and if town doesn't vote him because of his stupid fake ass roleclaim then we deserve to lose over being so scared to do the obvious

Yes lol I meant concerns me the most

 

[amazonevan19]

I think we need more info before putting the hammer on to Punchy.

Karen, when you read this can you please invite for Punchy.

well I've seen all the info I need to see. I'm def keeping my vote on him.

Karen shouldn't unvote cuz she's the sacrifice in case something does go wrong