Whats your thoughts on all of this?
Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!
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Whats your thoughts on all of this?
why did you remind me of all the reasons i sussed dad
rereading this and it bothers me so much that he was pointing out reasons to find tom scummy but twisted it as a reason to sr me
he disregarded everything i said. like at least i gave my explanation for why i didn't find tom scummy, but here he clearly sussed him? yet only pursued me??
also the tom/dad interaction was so awkward yikes
Well telling the whole thread ur rxning was a bad move now everyone knows ur gonna do it and probs not act the way they would have if u not said that.
@Ness: Personally I think it's a mix between people who were afraid of the bombing thing and people who voted Punchy anyways. Not just one of the two. During the Punchy situation I like both yours and Kayla's vibe in the uncertainty of the situation.
I think out of this situation I would like to look into Vanessa because of her initiating the 'slip' moment, intensity regarding it, and a general vibe I get about the authenticity of her smaller moments of uncertainty during the situation. And KermitTea quietly acting sacrificial in a way that doesn't demonstrate much stance making but caters to town's ideology in a way that can enable coasting through a day without providing much content to look into.
I get thrown into this group unfortunately, but tbh I am slightly more sus of people that voted Punchy rather than voting for themselves with that being said if only because I can see mafia being worried about Punchy being a bomb and not wanting to touch him throughout the game at night because of that, so a lynch is a convenient way of getting around that.
I think out of this situation I would like to look into Vanessa because of her initiating the 'slip' moment, intensity regarding it, and a general vibe I get about the authenticity of her smaller moments of uncertainty during the situation. And KermitTea quietly acting sacrificial in a way that doesn't demonstrate much stance making but caters to town's ideology in a way that can enable coasting through a day without providing much content to look into.
I get thrown into this group unfortunately, but tbh I am slightly more sus of people that voted Punchy rather than voting for themselves with that being said if only because I can see mafia being worried about Punchy being a bomb and not wanting to touch him throughout the game at night because of that, so a lynch is a convenient way of getting around that.
The thing is he isn't mafia. Therefore the entire defense/thought of "I was worried that if he was mafia he was going to kill us!" is completely negated now.
I'm not completely disregarding people who voted punchy and I never said that. I'm not planning on leaving this discussion here either, because I intend on doing things tomorrow to figure out who mafia is based on what has happened.
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lol nice saying exactly what I said was gonna happen
Personally my thought process here is that I don't think that any mafia would be so willing to hand themselves out to a lynch like that. Everyone was paranoid for a while about the lynch and that it would kill someone if they voted it; mafia obviously don't want that. I agree with you that there more than likely is a player on the punchy wagon that is scum, but more like they would be somewhere within the middle of the wagon.
I'm trying to take a detour from my tunnel on you don't trigger me to go back down that path pls. Hell yes I sussed you even more than him at that time because I had more content to draw conclusions on than Tom and I also aired that if you flipped red I'd see Tom as your partner because of that moment where you decided to not sus Tom over 'tone' but sus Oath over his. I called out the buddying attempt by Tom right then and there so I don't see how it's awkward but okay, werk.
Ya we know with certainty he isn't mafia NOW, due to him actually being lynched. Which is why I brought up the list who actually voted on him with such certainty. Mafia players obviously knew he was BS'ing making it easier for them to potentially lead / encourage a mislynch.
I was just curious why you decided to vote on yourself in the end ? What's wrong with that ?
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If you voted for yourself too, then you should know why we did as well.
amazonevan19
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aww that's super unfortunate to hear kammm...we're here for you fammm
haha see a funny! sorry...just trying to cheer you up... :,(
amazonevan19
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ik that wasn't addressed to me, but I'll just say that I only know it as a role from EM myself
should I just wrap up my GK ISO now guys? I've analyzed pages 3-6 of his posts, have 1-2 left, and my ISO has already taken up 11 pages on Word... :O
but what if it?s actually not a rxn ans what if this is a rxn to a rxn or if it?s not ooh mindblown
What in inceptination?!
amanda1983
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Yikes Kammm, I'm so sorry, that's a lot to be dealing with rn. Please take care of yourself first and foremost - you matter more than any game.
amazonevan19
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My Ghostkid ISO
Decided to do this because we?ve been assuming ghost is town the entire time based largely on noobery and his correct read on Tom. Also because after punchy flipped, he?s changed quite considerably. Let?s get a goin?
Rather nonchalant/jokey RQs, also betraying some lack of mafia knowledge with not knowing ?fearkill? though I wouldn?t expect any new person to really know that. As will nearly all rq answers there?s not much to find here, though as we?ll see in the next post, his distancing is interesting.
Normally this kind of stuff would make me townlock a noob since they?d probably keep quiet about this if they were scum, since they?d have the scumchat already and would probably be told to not say things like this. But the tired example of Bianca always has me wary. The distancing he exhibited in his RQs may play a role here ? perhaps I?m reading too much into this, but by purposing to say ?idk anyone here,? it makes scum!ghostkid?s job easier in distancing from EVERYONE rather than be put into a position of having to distance from any particular scumbuddy later on. I highly doubt he?s sophisticated enough to pull this off, or have this level of invested coaching this early on in the game though. The only confirmed scum we have, Tom, was obviously very detached from the game?but maybe that?s because he was in scumchat early on? Who knows, Tom was clearly out of it D2 when he died.
Easy to post these kinds of things if Bianca-ing, but could very well be genuine noobspeak
Ghostkid?s first actual read of the game is a?townread of punchy, and it?s actually rather perceptive for a noob. Given the circumstances of punchy being near universally townread at the start of the game, his devolving, universally being scumread, and being lynched and shown to be the worst PR ever, I find this tidbit from ghostkid interesting, but idk if it holds a ton of weight given the circumstances. Ghostkid did throw in that ?unless that?s his plan all along? which could have been a setup for further doubts of punchy, but again, don?t think Ghost could be that sophisticated that early on. If anything, his early posts show just the opposite
) and (b) he would probably be told to not do that in scumchat. The amount of coaching needed for ghostkid to say some of the things he?s said early on would be rather substantial, but for something like the above, I?m sure he?d be advised AGAINST it in scumchat.
He offers more reads, and this is perhaps the strongest towntell in Ghost?s favor. He strongly comes out against Tom as a scumlean, and this is why so many people have townread ghost for so long. He also was correct with punchy AND ness/toads all being town as well?is that due to scum!ghostkid knowing who?s who, or due to town!ghostkid just being a perceptive player? I?m leaning towards the latter at this moment just cuz I think it?s so improbable that scum!ghostkid would be told to out a scum as a scumlean so damn early. Scum!ghostkid could have also just gone off on his own and ignored scumchat?s advice, but occam?s razor says it?s less likely than ghostkid being town.
His response to ILY asking why he felt Tom was scum. Intriguingly vague and sounds like he has insider knowledge
ANOTHER FLIP FLOP. HIS LAST POST HE SAID ?LET?S NOT LOOK INTO FN? WTF. Again, makes NO sense to just leave a possible scumlean alone
Just finding a reason to be sus of FN I guess, not really AI
Not going to post his interaction with dad about his ASD and whatnot, not AI except it may be him trying to garner some sympathy, but tbh even typing that phrase made me feel slimy. >.< I think he was truly opening up and it?s not AI and I have been at this ISO too long trying to analyze everything GK is saying through a mafia lens lmao.
Dad did ask him about the reverse psychology statement, asking who GK was referring to. GK?s response:
When dolby asked who people would vote for rn. Just the three people he?s been talking about all game. Same old same old?
I don?t have to say much about this lmao. Aloofness again, buckles under pressure very quickly?sure he voted tom, but only after someone told him that SHEEPING was a BAD IDEA. GK ain?t some anti-Tom patron saint
Lol Rune is catching on, kind of
Bianca?ing cuz scummates would tell him this in the scumchat, or genuine question? Hard to say
This is a very reasonable and very townlike observation
HALF-ASSEDLY SUSSES TOM FOR INACTIVITY, DOESN?T SUS MOG??
EL STRANGEO especially given Karen?s recent weird behavior
?ok I?m ****ing tired of this ISO lmao. The only other things I?ll note from his pages 1-2 of posts is that:
- He seemed to suspect Ness over invisibility and Ness?s read on punchy, which is REALLY ODD considering Ness hadn?t said much unique on punchy
- He has interacted with Karen recently and prodded her for opinions
Oh and this kinda made me laugh when I read it
Conclusion: slight scumlean
Super conflicted on this. It?s difficult to say if Ghostkid?s self admitted sheeping is due to real scumminess or just noobish town behavior/honesty. A lot of what Ghostkid has said is very odd from a town perspective?like he knows things?but then he says stuff which nobody would say in the thread and would just ask scummates instead. After this ISO I am way less confident that we have the right read on Ghostkid. He could frankly be either alignment after this. Each individual post doesn?t look too bad, but put together, I think this ISO shows that Ghostkid, for all his seeming genuine posts/behavior, is acting rather oddly for a new town player, at least to me. He ever so often says or posts something that has slid under the radar for a while, to appear like he?s contributing, but is pretty vague and can definitely be taken to mean more than it says.
Unlike the poor chap from BoTW who kept saying ?I?m busy with such and so,? Ghostkid has actually produced some content ? but with very odd trappings. I would need to look into others to see possible teammates, but right off the bat I know glow is definitely very compatible, assuming she?s scum. Last comment: Thank you GK for liking my memes, even if you may be scum
Spent way too long on this lmao; this was 11 pages on Word, fml I?m sorry guys but this is what happens when you ISO someone in a game with 2500+ posts. I hope it helps ?\_(ツ)_/?
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quick reread, lol Karen would be an obvious second choice for a GK teammate
Glow/Ghost/Karen
ehhhhh maybe?? Karen and Glow are certainly compatible imo. Question is, are those two actually scum
Decided to do this because we?ve been assuming ghost is town the entire time based largely on noobery and his correct read on Tom. Also because after punchy flipped, he?s changed quite considerably. Let?s get a goin?
Rather nonchalant/jokey RQs, also betraying some lack of mafia knowledge with not knowing ?fearkill? though I wouldn?t expect any new person to really know that. As will nearly all rq answers there?s not much to find here, though as we?ll see in the next post, his distancing is interesting.
Normally this kind of stuff would make me townlock a noob since they?d probably keep quiet about this if they were scum, since they?d have the scumchat already and would probably be told to not say things like this. But the tired example of Bianca always has me wary. The distancing he exhibited in his RQs may play a role here ? perhaps I?m reading too much into this, but by purposing to say ?idk anyone here,? it makes scum!ghostkid?s job easier in distancing from EVERYONE rather than be put into a position of having to distance from any particular scumbuddy later on. I highly doubt he?s sophisticated enough to pull this off, or have this level of invested coaching this early on in the game though. The only confirmed scum we have, Tom, was obviously very detached from the game?but maybe that?s because he was in scumchat early on? Who knows, Tom was clearly out of it D2 when he died.
Easy to post these kinds of things if Bianca-ing, but could very well be genuine noobspeak
Ghostkid?s first actual read of the game is a?townread of punchy, and it?s actually rather perceptive for a noob. Given the circumstances of punchy being near universally townread at the start of the game, his devolving, universally being scumread, and being lynched and shown to be the worst PR ever, I find this tidbit from ghostkid interesting, but idk if it holds a ton of weight given the circumstances. Ghostkid did throw in that ?unless that?s his plan all along? which could have been a setup for further doubts of punchy, but again, don?t think Ghost could be that sophisticated that early on. If anything, his early posts show just the opposite
Noobery, or something more? Definitely a little bit of a scummy post here. ?I?ll just wait and see as I slither in the shadows and ponder?hmm?? A hallmark of ghost is that he often has posted about his activity and given excuses for his not being in the thread. Might as well address that here because quoting each ?I?m going to bed? type of post won?t be too useful. I personally feel those posts are a slight towntell for ghost, cuz (a) the last time we hyper sussed someone over posting like that, they were vanilla townie in BoTW (forget their name rn cuz they never came back
) and (b) he would probably be told to not do that in scumchat. The amount of coaching needed for ghostkid to say some of the things he?s said early on would be rather substantial, but for something like the above, I?m sure he?d be advised AGAINST it in scumchat.His response to ILY after ILY said ?yeah, I don?t have confidence in Ghostkid being a good town player for the endgame.? Dumbtelling? I feel ?endgame? is a rather self-explanatory word. Slight scumminess imo
Another interaction with ILY, who just dinged ghostkid for minimal activity. More alarm bells as this again emphasizes his very passive nature at this point. But this could also just be overwhelmed, noob town. Not super conclusive, but rn I?m definitely thinking ghostkid is not deserving of a universal townread IMO
Very interesting, did scumbuddies help him out? ILY asks how he learned about mafia games and this is his response?
So Wikipedia and the history of the game. Ooookkkk well that doesn?t tell me much. Could it have been prompted by scummates? Hard to say
He offers more reads, and this is perhaps the strongest towntell in Ghost?s favor. He strongly comes out against Tom as a scumlean, and this is why so many people have townread ghost for so long. He also was correct with punchy AND ness/toads all being town as well?is that due to scum!ghostkid knowing who?s who, or due to town!ghostkid just being a perceptive player? I?m leaning towards the latter at this moment just cuz I think it?s so improbable that scum!ghostkid would be told to out a scum as a scumlean so damn early. Scum!ghostkid could have also just gone off on his own and ignored scumchat?s advice, but occam?s razor says it?s less likely than ghostkid being town.
His response to ILY asking why he felt Tom was scum. Intriguingly vague and sounds like he has insider knowledge
When Kammm pressured him on using gut instinct to make his read on Tom. Notice how Ghostkid immediately walks it back, kind of sort of. Wishy washy
He doesn?t say who, or why, just that he thinks some people are doing this. Again, perhaps he knows who and why?
His comment on fireninja. Again with the vagueness and lack of position
Uh yeah duh? Stating something for the sake of stating it?
Sheeping on Kamm again, when she said ?let?s move on from FN/punchy.? So what?s happened between FN being ?sketch? and ?eh, let?s just leave him alone?? shows he?s not putting much thought into his read
ANOTHER FLIP FLOP. HIS LAST POST HE SAID ?LET?S NOT LOOK INTO FN? WTF. Again, makes NO sense to just leave a possible scumlean alone
Just finding a reason to be sus of FN I guess, not really AI
Ok, these actually show him reconsidering his FN read and for a decent reason. Slight town pointage accrued.
Not going to post his interaction with dad about his ASD and whatnot, not AI except it may be him trying to garner some sympathy, but tbh even typing that phrase made me feel slimy. >.< I think he was truly opening up and it?s not AI and I have been at this ISO too long trying to analyze everything GK is saying through a mafia lens lmao.
Dad did ask him about the reverse psychology statement, asking who GK was referring to. GK?s response:
Shows aloofness, a disconnect from the thread, and idgaf about my reads?ay yi yi
Translation: ooh ooh look at me I said something good! I contributed!!!
?so when did we lionize ghostkid as some hero who helped lynch Tom? Here he?s VERY mealymouthed and says ?eh, he?s null, but idec if he dies?
He straight up admits sheeping and says ?I thought he was scum before, but now he might be TP?eh nvm he might be null.? ??? I mean, not many people just admit to sheeping like that, but again?could that be part of the plan? It?s worthy of note that GK is STILL only commenting on TWO PEOPLE in his ?reads? ? Tom and FN
When dolby asked who people would vote for rn. Just the three people he?s been talking about all game. Same old same old?
I don?t have to say much about this lmao. Aloofness again, buckles under pressure very quickly?sure he voted tom, but only after someone told him that SHEEPING was a BAD IDEA. GK ain?t some anti-Tom patron saint
I like pokeymanz, but this is irrelevant and useless and just contributes to noobishness, potential Bianca?ing
After toad said he?d vote for Jacob?two problems. (a) GK has been going with his gut all along (b) people told GK that what he was thinking might be wrong?so guess what he did? He changed his opinion with no real reason.
This was after Ness said he wanted to die. Not sure if this is serious or not, but I?m assuming it is. It?s an odd post and the first time GK mentions Ness. Oath did reply to it, poo-pooing it, but aside from that I don?t see any other interaction on this post
These are GK?s posts about tom before some other irrelevant fluff. Decent I guess, and he did get it right on tom, but at this point a lot of people are getting mad at Tom for not posting, and perhaps scum chat is in full fledged panic over Tom?s absence. Again, where did we all get this idea that GK is some massive anti Tom hero?
Decent question I suppose, could be fishing for a target to save Tom but I doubt that. Probably just trying to look helpful
Lol Rune is catching on, kind of
Defending Antonio?eh decent point, except we know Antonio had seen what a blue role is
Dad said:
This post from dad caught my eye, since he brought up GK?s ?bye I?m leaving posts? and related it to glow. Assuming glow is scum, GK is an extremely likely teammate based on this interaction, cuz glow instantly distanced herself from GK. If glow is town, though, I think the scum case is independently strong enough on GK. Also note the casualness with which GK says he dropped punchy from consideration and swapped in Antonio
When dad asked GK about dolby, glow, and yours truly. This post is honestly kind of town indicative since it?s a level of honesty you don?t usually see from a new scum. New scums are usually afraid to say anything that will make them look bad, and here GK just out and out says he?s not really handling the info bombs all that well. But note the wishiwashiness again, nulling three players all at once and offering no explanation as to why
Again, I can?t imagine scum GK saying this
Bianca?ing cuz scummates would tell him this in the scumchat, or genuine question? Hard to say
This is a very reasonable and very townlike observation
There?s the anti Tom lion!! Again, context is key here. Tom?s widely sussed at this point
Agrees with me that we?d be lynching tom over inactivity, not so much actual scumminess. That?s pretty key. It shows that GK doesn?t actually think Tom is scummy, but is feeling pressure (probs from town and maybe scumchat saying to bus)
Cuz of speculation that Tom might get MK?d. This isn?t ?saving? Tom per se. Idk if this is AI given the speculation at the time about MKing
After dolby asked GK to not unvote tom cuz that would put Dolby in the lead for votes. A very strange reaction if you ask me, but it does show GK is trying to think things through. Very small town points
After glow makes some comment that she thinks dad, dolby, and her are all town. Very odd comment?idk what GK was thinking or how that minor post from glow would confirm that?
More dumbtelling? Again, why wouldn?t GK ask this in the scumchat
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After being asked who he?d vote for if Tom weren?t an option/getting MK?d. Generally a sheepy opinion
HMMMMMMMMMM
HALF-ASSEDLY SUSSES TOM FOR INACTIVITY, DOESN?T SUS MOG??
EL STRANGEO especially given Karen?s recent weird behavior
?ok I?m ****ing tired of this ISO lmao. The only other things I?ll note from his pages 1-2 of posts is that:
- He seemed to suspect Ness over invisibility and Ness?s read on punchy, which is REALLY ODD considering Ness hadn?t said much unique on punchy
- He has interacted with Karen recently and prodded her for opinions
Oh and this kinda made me laugh when I read it
Noob town or scum here, either way it?s lowkey adorable
Conclusion: slight scumlean
Super conflicted on this. It?s difficult to say if Ghostkid?s self admitted sheeping is due to real scumminess or just noobish town behavior/honesty. A lot of what Ghostkid has said is very odd from a town perspective?like he knows things?but then he says stuff which nobody would say in the thread and would just ask scummates instead. After this ISO I am way less confident that we have the right read on Ghostkid. He could frankly be either alignment after this. Each individual post doesn?t look too bad, but put together, I think this ISO shows that Ghostkid, for all his seeming genuine posts/behavior, is acting rather oddly for a new town player, at least to me. He ever so often says or posts something that has slid under the radar for a while, to appear like he?s contributing, but is pretty vague and can definitely be taken to mean more than it says.
Unlike the poor chap from BoTW who kept saying ?I?m busy with such and so,? Ghostkid has actually produced some content ? but with very odd trappings. I would need to look into others to see possible teammates, but right off the bat I know glow is definitely very compatible, assuming she?s scum. Last comment: Thank you GK for liking my memes, even if you may be scum
Spent way too long on this lmao; this was 11 pages on Word, fml I?m sorry guys but this is what happens when you ISO someone in a game with 2500+ posts. I hope it helps ?\_(ツ)_/?
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quick reread, lol Karen would be an obvious second choice for a GK teammate
Glow/Ghost/Karen
ehhhhh maybe?? Karen and Glow are certainly compatible imo. Question is, are those two actually scum
I see what ur putting down evan now its time for my awful excuse for a defense...its probs not gonna help me tho.
I actually did read the wiki after a few hours in the game mainly to get the hip haps of the game... Ill even give the artical link. Also yes i have been been saying when im getting off or when im going to bed because ive seen other players asking people like antonio where have they been so i do it to get you people off my back....then again no one has ever asked me where ive bern so i see peoples annoyance with it..
I actually did read the wiki after a few hours in the game mainly to get the hip haps of the game... Ill even give the artical link. Also yes i have been been saying when im getting off or when im going to bed because ive seen other players asking people like antonio where have they been so i do it to get you people off my back....then again no one has ever asked me where ive bern so i see peoples annoyance with it..
amazonevan19
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It's good that you tried to familiarize yourself with the game and its history
And while we do all have lives outside of mafia, it is seen as a bit odd to say "I'm here...I'm not" posts like you have. Just know I tried really hard in analyzing your posts and have maybe reached a conclusion you don't like, but I'm a bit conflicted as to your alignment. Hence slight scumlean. The slight scumlean is over far more than just wikipedia and schedule posts though...all along there's been some inconsistencies. I am probably going to put up a new reads list tomorrow morning my time, but rn I am done working on mafia lol
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ik my iso may be a bit overwhelming, so try to digest my points and respond to them more in depth if you can
