Dolby if you think you're tired try reading this for hours and having a document that's already 7 pages long.
I probably should drop trying this google doc approach because yes half of it will continue to be stating the obvious and things people have already brought up, but half of said things I noticed before I reached a post of somebody else noticing it.
I kinda want to stick to it because I have already put so much work into it and it makes for very convenient referencing when it comes to alignments in particular but I will follow up my next copypaste dump with a post that collects my thoughts.
Dolby if you think you're tired try reading this for hours and having a document that's already 7 pages long.
I probably should drop trying this google doc approach because yes half of it will continue to be stating the obvious and things people have already brought up, but half of said things I noticed before I reached a post of somebody else noticing it.
I kinda want to stick to it because I have already put so much work into it and it makes for very convenient referencing when it comes to alignments in particular but I will follow up my next copypaste dump with a post that collects my thoughts.
-Adds katezilla and glow to people she thinks are flying under the radar and lol because I managed to completely forget about katezilla.
-Airs criticism on Antonio for having only posted little substance despite calling others out for activity
-Reads Evans first significant post as filler, although personally I find it more taking specific stances that have been aired and being the one to side with Ness in Ness vs Toads
-Notices what I do about Evan giving insight onto how FN played as scum in that he tries to fly under the radar and feels hesitant about a lynch on him because of that and I feel the same way along with other people bothering me a little more. FN is obvious bandwagon fodder at this point.
Dolby
-Susses Ness and townleans Toads based on their argument but with Ness, more on his posts about Punchy, which I agree felt kind of extra
-Says I am not drawing conclusions and is gonna look into my meta, and I guess I can?t blame him because I am trying something new with the google doc thing and a lot of it is me keeping track so I can compile stances and alignments in one single document so I don?t have to go to a bunch of different pages. If you actually read my post you?ll find it?s a mix of obvious observations and me reading into specific things players have said so w/e.
-Wants more from mog
-Echoes what I have observed and am observing with Ryumia
-Slightly scumreads Locket. If anything, what he is saying about her is just making me think about how her assertiveness here seems different from the last game I was in with her, which was RHOM.
-I think Dolby is quietly feeling the same way about punchy as I am feeling if I know Dolby
-My thoughts are changing on Trundle as well despite me having him in my earlier pool the more I consider alignments and also I think I am a bit harsh on the uneasiness with him knowing you more than a newb because both of you have been around for a long time
Ness
-Says for all he knows, FN could be softclaiming jester like he unhelpfully did in the past and with FN being a serious candidate right now, throwing something like that onto the table seems sloppy, because I think it is obvious that FN actually felt how he felt and wasn?t trying to come off as unhelpful to town with the goal of getting lynched
-No other posts since I last posted about him.
FireNinja
-A lot of defending and reacting to random things. In a specific post with a lot of one word replies. Worth breaking down if you feel the need to and I might later, but time. All I will say about it is that yes, it is kind of odd for me as well, but him being set up for being the lynch keeps me from scumleaning because all of this could be bad play as well as him not knowing Punchy all being blown out of proportion, and I think Evan might be right about him unless that bit of meta insight was actually a teammate protecting a teammate.
Tom
-Has posted nothing since I last made my list post.
Punchy
-Still waiting for the theory but whatever
-Goes into guesses as to why FN voted him like he did and this is the post that is making me scratch my head because something about it feels deliberate
-Finds mog sus in that she is blending in somehow but doesn?t further explain this
Toads
-I disagree about you admitting you were pushing for the sake of it changes the outcome because now the person you are trying to push will monitor themselves for reaction because the pushing is being used for reaction testing. And that need to clarify it, again, defends yourself more than helps town.
-Says Tom looks absolutely scummy now
-Small post to say he nullreads Dolby
-A lot o smaller posts lately that seem to be driving questions of people for more thought and I am not sure how to feel about that
-Doesnt see what Kayla is doing is mafia motivated
-Sees Punchy as OMGUSing and being subtle
Runeraider
Nothing since I last posted about him but I see him lurking so maybe more content will come from him soon.
Mogyay
-Expresses some healthy doubt on the emotion behind Ness and Toads argument
-Sees what Kayla is doing as potentially being used to pick on weaker players
-Defends Punchys playstyle change a little bit
Trundle
-It could have been a misread on my part but he did mention there were 5-6 mafia and he had red flags going up anywhere. I remain underwhelmed at what they actually were.
-Adds to the people painting Ness vs Toads as being town vs town.
-Says Punchys play here is different than in past games and that?s what he even pointed out about himself, and him doing that is what is in discussion anyways.
-Asks mog why she thinks Punchy is skilled enough to change playstyles even though there was self awareness about his playstyle by him bringing it up so uh...yes?
-Townreads Kamm but also calls her fillery
Ghostkid
-is trying
-Suspects Tom over his sheer inactivity
-How old are you btw? I'm only genuinely curious because of how you post, not trying to criticize you if you are indeed young, but it would tell me what I should expect.
Kamm
-Soft defense of Tom when Ghost susd him
-Had a bit of a conversation with Kayla that went nowhere more or less and it's an example of what Jacob said about Kayla's old strat conversation having a lot of filler potential
-Doesnt like FNs defenses and I don?t blame her.
Evan
-First post around 20some pages in promises a catchup
-Is concerned with FN keeping his vote and townreads Dolby and Kayla in his catchup. Easy and obvious positions to take.
-I keep thinking about the insight he provided regarding him knowing FN's last scumplay here.
Ryumia
-First significant activity is her giving some kindly worded disagreement to Kaylas strat and there is something about the niceness that bothers me
-215 is an odd post, specifically the last paragraph: is she defending having null reads or something here? As for the rest of that post, I think it is distracting to ponder Dolby and Kayla being a fabricated argument although it is fair to ponder whether or not Toads vs Ness is fabricated.
Jacob
-Never said you shouldn?t be looking for slips, I just said it is something characteristic of you as town, and I never clarified it as looking for townslips or looking for scumslips. More both.
-Says the inactive lynching argument is bringing about a lot of filler, and it is, particularly with people Kayla is back and forth with.
-Quotes a specific Kamm post as making him uneasy, and looking back at 196 to see if she disagreed with Kayla initially, and that post was actually about her defending agreeing with Kayla.
Gigalabesh
-Has not posted since I last posted a list
Heyden
-I agree with the criticism of Antonio if only because he seems to be a hypocrite for calling other people out for inactivity when he hasn?t provided anything significant to the game.
-Disagree with me being put in a category with Antonio and Tom because I have obviously put more work in but w/e
-If you actually think about kate?s post, btw, you will see why it?s a really weird thing to say because it?s one new player wondering if another relatively new player is using some sort of complicated reverse psychology in -trying- to act like bad mafia. But if this is the case then you?d think she would wonder if Punchy is a jester if she knows what a jester is.
Antonio
-Points out people who haven't posted yet even though he himself has contributed little to the game anyways, and that comes off as filler and hypocritical.
Glow
-First significant activity is her reading into the Ness vs Toads thing, and a lot of what she brings up, particularly the bit about Ness being emotional, is why I said I?d side with Toads if a gun was put to my head.
Panda
-Has not posted since my last post. I really hate her last post and it keeps her as sus for me tbh.
Dedenne
-Still not much content, or at least memorable content. I think her posts are just unmemorable which is why I should probably look back into her after I make a more reflective post.
-Potentially sliding by
Oath
-I hate that his first post in the game, after a good 200 something posts, is a one liner criticizing Punchy, and it makes it seem like he?s been around
-Agrees with Heyden that Toads being aggro is a towntell
Locket
-Yet another person who thinks Ness vs Toads is town vs town
-Similarly to Kamm dislikes FNs defenses
Katezilla
-thinks punchy is acting dumb to make people think he?s bad mafia? Uh...what? So she sees Punchy as using reverse psychology? This is a complex thought for somebody who has provided so few thoughts so far.
Note: Some things might be missing because I add a thought or two when I actually prepare the post in the reply and I need to add what I added in those replies to the doc so there might be some messy bits and pieces. Anyways here you go. My eyes are bleeding.
Kayla
-Presents the idea of lynching an inactive right off the bat and considers deadweight bad for town, has the old tbt mentality
-Argues with Dolby about this and sticks to her guns about it in that there?s also a chance deadweight can be mafia
-Lacking in scumhunting so far
-Also I like her criticism of Trundle feeling more sure about Dolby than he does at a newbie
3-20 addendum
-Adds katezilla and glow to people she thinks are flying under the radar and lol because I managed to completely forget about katezilla.
-Airs criticism on Antonio for having only posted little substance despite calling others out for activity
-Reads Evans first significant post as filler, although personally I find it more taking specific stances that have been aired and being the one to side with Ness in Ness vs Toads
-Notices what I do about Evan giving insight onto how FN played as scum in that he tries to fly under the radar and feels hesitant about a lynch on him because of that and I feel the same way along with other people bothering me a little more. FN is obvious bandwagon fodder at this point.
Dolby
-Says he?d fearkill me. (?...implying you actually fearkill)
-Newer tbt mentality, trying to explain to Kayla why we no longer do the inactive lynching or no lynching generally and she?s being stubborn about it but I agree with the read that mafia Kayla would quietly conform to the current accepted meta.
-He?s actually scumhunting, really the only person doing that.
-Despite scumhunting and having a lot of points I agree with I am still wary of him, he is saying all of the right things.
-Has provided reasons to dislike both FireNinja and Punchy
-Points out a post of Ness as being townish because it is what he thought at the time, and I think just because somebody can read into the situation similarly doesnt mean you should write them off as town so I hope that isnt what is going on here
-Doesn?t like how Toads dug into Punchy and sees it as opportunistic and something scum Toads does
3-20 addendum
-Susses Ness and townleans Toads based on their argument but with Ness, more on his posts about Punchy, which I agree felt kind of extra
-Says I am not drawing conclusions and is gonna look into my meta, and I guess I can?t blame him because I am trying something new with the google doc thing and a lot of it is me keeping track so I can compile stances and alignments in one single document so I don?t have to go to a bunch of different pages. If you actually read my post you?ll find it?s a mix of obvious observations and me reading into specific things players have said so w/e.
-Wants more from mog
-Echoes what I have observed and am observing with Ryumia
-Slightly scumreads Locket. If anything, what he is saying about her is just making me think about how her assertiveness here seems different from the last game I was in with her, which was RHOM.
-I think Dolby is quietly feeling the same way about punchy as I am feeling if I know Dolby
-My thoughts are changing on Trundle as well despite me having him in my earlier pool the more I consider alignments and also I think I am a bit harsh on the uneasiness with him knowing you more than a newb because both of you have been around for a long time
Ness
Seemed to defend Punchy as him being stupid
-idk what the comment about how it was funny Tom said to lynch him when Punchy was saying it nonstop in discord, is he trying to imply a Tom and Punchy team through this?
-I know he was on mobile but Ness seems rushed to get some sort of content out there and I am used to seeing him unapologetically not posting until he?s able to irl outside of EoD, so this throws me off but it?s just a very soft sus
-Seems to also put the suggestion out there that FireNinja could be reaction testing
-The thing he found strange from Mog isn?t strange at all. Mog is just positing that one of these days someone is going to take advantage of the start of game jokevote on their friend as a means of reverse psychology
-Very mocking of Punchy in his first big post of game. Ness, you know two people can tunnel at the same time right? Toads is the pushier of the two so it makes sense for Punchy to respond to it as tunneling.
3-20
-Says for all he knows, FN could be softclaiming jester like he unhelpfully did in the past and with FN being a serious candidate right now, throwing something like that onto the table seems sloppy, because I think it is obvious that FN actually felt how he felt and wasn?t trying to come off as unhelpful to town with the goal of getting lynched
FireNinja
Voted for Punchy over one simple thing, and I don?t think he has played with Punchy before either. I feel like he would try and be more coasty as mafia though.
-also if you are going to answer RQS with a bunch of ?not saying? then just ignore the RQS
-He and Toads seemed to question Punchy on that thing about him saying his playstyle is going to be different out of nowhere, and I would have questioned similarly, but I?d keep it in mind going forward if Punchy flips one way or another.
3-20
-A lot of defending and reacting to random things
Tom
-Not taking the game too seriously yet, in short. Which is characteristic of him but still something that can be used to do some initial coasting until there?s fodder.
-Agrees with Kaylas thoughts what a nub
Punchy
Tbh the only thing I don?t like about him so far is him saying he is going to play a different playstyle this game even though nobody asked
-Also has a theory he doesn?t want to reveal
3-20
-Still waiting for the theory but whatever
-Goes into guesses as to why FN voted him like he did
-Finds mog sus in that she is blending in somehow but doesn?t further explain this
Toads
-Questioned punchy on the playstyle comment and reads it as jester and uses that read as a reason not to vote Punchy
-Defense from Dolby is interesting in that he reveals he is in part trying to see if he can break Punchy (very me thing to do tbh) but if he cared more about the interest of town than his own tail then he would just not reveal this
-I don?t think Punchy asking how he is trying to look town is desparate, that seems pushy
-It seems he is the one whose buttons were pushed the most, by Ness. Said he was trying to act like the mediator master in his argument back and forth with him
3-20 addendum
-I disagree about you admitting you were pushing for the sake of it changes the outcome because now the person you are trying to push will monitor themselves for reaction because the pushing is being used for reaction testing. And that need to clarify it, again, defends yourself more than helps town.
-Says Tom looks absolutely scummy now
-Small post to say he nullreads Dolby
-A lot o smaller posts lately that seem to be driving questions of people for more thought and I am not sure how to feel about that
-Doesnt see what Kayla is doing is mafia motivated
-Sees Punchy as OMGUSing and being subtle
Rune
-Posts to say he may be inactive but promises some activity later
-Says not to vote punchy but doesn?t provide a reason as for why not or agree with a reason already presented
-Is wary of lynching Punchy because of how Toads has been acting, especially after he said right out in the thread that he was trying to push Punchy?s buttons and we just accepted that
Mogyay
-Not much content in what she has posted so far, just some generic RQS answers that don?t give us much
3-20 addendum
-Expresses some healthy doubt on the emotion behind Ness and Toads argument
-Sees what Kayla is doing as potentially being used to pick on weaker players
-Defends Punchys playstyle change a little bit
Trundle
-Explains his red flags as Tom and Punchy? I thought there were 5-6. >.>
-Sides with Toads reads against Punchy and townreads Toads because of how Toads played in his last game as mafia, and I would like for him to get into specifics here
3-20 addendum
-It could have been a misread on my part but he did mention there were 5-6 mafia and he had red flags going up anywhere. I remain underwhelmed at what they actually were.
-Adds to the people painting Ness vs Toads as being town vs town.
-Says Punchys play here is different than in past games and that?s what he even pointed out about himself, and him doing that is what is in discussion anyways.
-Asks mog why she thinks Punchy is skilled enough to change playstyles even though there was self awareness about his playstyle by him bringing it up so uh...yes?
-Townreads Kamm but also calls her fillery
Kamm and Ghostkid
Both completely new, and with Ghost in particular, would have to be dumbtelling if he said he didn?t know what a fearkill was as mafia
Ghostkid
-is trying
Kamm
-Post 196 is a lot of defense and explanation for such a small issue someone had with them
-Disagrees with Dolby about FN being a good option in that she thinks FNs actions are too forward for him to be doing as mafia
3-20
-Soft defense of Tom when Ghost susd him
-Doesnt like FNs defenses and I don?t blame her.
Evan
-First post around 20some pages in promises a catchup
-Is concerned with FN keeping his vote and townreads Dolby and Kayla in his catchup. Easy and obvious positions to take.
Ryumia
-First significant activity is her giving some kindly worded disagreement to Kaylas strat and there is something about the niceness that bothers me
-215 is an odd post, specifically the last paragraph: is she defending having null reads or something here? As for the rest of that post, I think it is distracting to ponder Dolby and Kayla being a fabricated argument although it is fair to ponder whether or not Toads vs Ness is fabricated.
Jacob
-Sees GhostKid as a townslip. Jacob is really fond of looking for slips as town.
-I agree that Kayla should play organically because telling her to do otherwise would muddy what is otherwise kind of a good townread for me, if anything me thinking about it makes me realize that unless the suggestion is fabricated, Kayla and Punchy are in the least not teamed
3-20
-Never said you shouldn?t be looking for slips, I just said it is something characteristic of you as town, and I never clarified it as looking for townslips or looking for scumslips. More both.
-Says the inactive lynching argument is bringing about a lot of filler, and it is, particularly with people Kayla is back and forth with.
-Quotes a specific Kamm post as making him uneasy, and looking back at 196 to see if she disagreed with Kayla initially, and that post was actually about her defending agreeing with Kayla.
Gigalabesh
NOAV SCUM
Completely new
Heyden
Tells town what to do and calls it housekeeping and that can come off as trying to come off as productive although I will give that there are a lot of completely new people in this game
-Sees FireNinja as being distracting
3-20
-I agree with the criticism of Antonio if only because he seems to be a hypocrite for calling other people out for inactivity when he hasn?t provided anything significant to the game.
-Disagree with me being put in a category with Antonio and Tom because I have obviously put more work in but w/e
-If you actually think about kate?s post, btw, you will see why it?s a really weird thing to say because it?s one new player wondering if another relatively new player is using some sort of complicated reverse psychology in -trying- to act like bad mafia. But if this is the case then you?d think she would wonder if Punchy is a jester if she knows what a jester is.
Antonio
-Nullreads Punchy but says he doesn?t think hes maf
-Not much else
3-20 addendum
Points out people who havent posted yet even though he himself has contributed little to the game anyways, and that comes off as filler and hypocritical.
Glow
-Waiting for the reads. That second pairing she gave, Dolby/Antonio, is vague af.
3-20 addendum
-First significant activity is her reading into the Ness vs Toads thing, and a lot of what she brings up, particularly the bit about Ness being emotional, is why I said I?d side with Toads if a gun was put to my head.
Panda
-I also dislike that she is pleading for Ness to stay in the game but I'm more concerned with some pretty simple issues making her head spin around. The discussion that Dolby and Kayla were involved in is not that difficult to understand and neither is the Punchy vs FireNinja conflict. Seems like a filler post to me.
Dedenne
-Need reads, not RQS answers.
And waiting on whoever else isn't here yet.
Oath
-I hate that his first post in the game, after a good 200 something posts, is a one liner criticizing Punchy, and it makes it seem like he?s been around
-Agrees with Heyden that Toads being aggro is a towntell
Locket
-Yet another person who thinks Ness vs Toads is town vs town
-Similarly to Kamm dislikes FNs defenses
Katezilla
-thinks punchy is acting dumb to make people think he?s bad mafia? Uh...what?
hey all, im done all of my work and im back in action (pls dont hate me), gonna make some reads as a peace offering. itll be hard without the post links or we but ill survive
1. locket: not many posts to go on atm, tho shes been out of town. seems to be trying to take charge more, using more assertive language which is a definite shift in behaviour but not enough to set off any major alarm bells. null for now
2. punchy: i dont hate u dude, but like cmon. bring it back a bit. a lot of his posts have either been dumb call outs, especially when it came to when he randomly voted for fireninja??? but this is consistent with his previous behaviour, and im not here to judge the level of usefulness, so slight tl for now. im honestly kinda scared of scum punchy because hes so scummy as town i feel like id give him a free pass, but i guess well cross that road when we come to it
3. trundle: kinda hard for me to get a read on rn, a lot of his posts have been responding to things without much proactive posts or ideas, except for his very short and vague reads (granted it was very, very early so i dont blame him but it still needs to be mentioned) and call out of ryumia, which could just be scum coming on to bad town. plus he was kinda trying to get on dolbys good side with his strong tr of him, as well as that weird 'why doesnt dolby like me : (' thing
null for now but if i had to choose id say the lightest of scumreads, wanna see more tho
4. rune: just bad town tbh, not worth the lynch
5. kammmmmmm: says a lot, but doesnt really bring much to the table, probably because shes still trying to work out how to play. that weird post about lynching fireninja for being useless yet letting punchy, who even at that point had been more useless, raised a few flags but it mostly likely boils down to being an unexperienced player rather than scum trying to push a lynch. definitely dont agree with the people giving strong trs of her, but im gonna give her a slight tl for now.
6. tom: not really taking the game seriously yet, all of his posts have either been useless for 90 percent of the players or just memes, the only thing i could call something of substance was saying kayla was saying stuff he agreed with (at least i think thats what it means). could be scum trying to blend in but im not confident enough in that to scumlean him for it so null for now.
7. dolby: has been making enough contributions for me to like what hes been saying, except for a few weird things like that kinda half hearted push for a lynch on fireninja but then he tr him all along? idk but everything else is good so slight tr from me. probably the town leader at the moment which makes me scared if hes scum : /
8. ness: hard for me to tell rn, ik i shouldnt take it into consideration but the fact that he lost motivation and he was so hyped for being mafia makes me think hes town (im like 99 percent sure it isnt ate bc he posted smth like it in discord and i think that would count as out of thread communication) yes, the post he did with all of the questions could be a mafia trying to appear like theyre being useful, but im leaning more towards it being a way to get reads off of people not contributing than from trying to look useful. was acting a bit high and mighty in the discussion between him and toads, but so was he and thats not really allignment indicative. slight tr for now
9. ghostkid: antonio 2: electric boogaloo. most likely a bad town without much experience, posts like asking whether or not mafia has a chat really make him seem like new town. probably less than last game tho, since mafia may have seen last game and noted how strongly antonio got townread for things like that and are trying it out as a tactic. other than that, hes contributed like nothing at all but hes new so we. moderate tr
10. heyden: hasnt posted much but what he has been ok. the relatively strong trs on mog and trundle are strange to me, especially since neither of them have been super active as of yet. he gets points for pointing out kates weird post when noone else did tho. it looks like hes trying to get on the experienced players good sides through the 'i hate rqses' stchick, but its so minor im not sure about it. null for now, gonna wait for more stuff
11. evan: hasnt been very helpful yet, half of his posts are repeating what dolbys already said about not principle lynching inactives and the other half have been grilling punchy, smth that he said fireninja should rise above. not super confident but im leaning towards a slight sl for now unless he starts posting some concrete, original reads.
12. dedenne: hasnt said much, her entire contribution has been saying that we shouldnt lynch punchy for being weird, smth i agree with but has been already said before. could be scum trying to fade into the background, especially with her joining in on questioning punchy, but i dont have enough concrete proof to say that so null for now
13. oath: not much to say tbh, all of his posts have been one liners without much content and its too early in the game to call him skating so null
14. kate: kinda surprised noone picked up on her except for heyden, all of her other posts have been general new town stuff, not contributing much, except for this:
this post seems uncharacteristically flip floppy in the same post, maybe she just doesnt have experience with it but if she is mafia this could be her trying to turn suspicion over to him, especially if she thinks that a lot of people are sussing him at that point in time. this post is enough for me to give her a slight sl for now
15. ryumia: i dont really want to say anything too definite until i have a full list of her posts in the post link, but ye a lot of her posts havent said much of anything. it could be her trying to look useful, or it could just be a new town. idk id still say null for now until i have a chance to properly analyse it
16. antonio: literally has not said anything of use at all yet, this is a level of inactivity which makes me think its a new mafia whos too scared to post, especially considering how much more he posted last game. slight to moderate sl for now
17. toad: still kinda iffy on him, the 'reaction test' he did on punchy which basically consisted of yelling at him then saying hes town, then basically the same thing with ness where he said that he was scummy for sure then called him town afterwards feels like hes trying to sus out a potential bw for mafia under the guise of a reaction test. gonna give him a null for now bc im stilling working out my feelings towards him bc hes very gung ho about it if he is maf, but my eyes def on him
18. kayla: im not sure if im entirely on board with dolbys tl on kayla for sticking to her guns, bc i think shes good enough to recognise an opportunity to get townread like this. its most likely not the case but straight up tring a person u have little experience with playing over something subjective like this rubs me the wrong way. also the whole thing with keeping track of inactives and then not putting me on the list after i posted like twice makes me feel weird too. still gonna give a slight tr for now but i feel like a team with either kayla/dolby or just a full scum team of active players is definitely possible, will give points for writing long posts on mobile how do u do it lol
19. mog: hasnt posted enough about things other than punchy yet, but shes said enough things ive agreed with to give her a slight tr, i want more tho
20. panda: inactive again, smh. posted actual thoughts tho so thats good i guess, null until she posts more (u can see ive lost my motivation to do this, an hr and a half in gaaaaaaaaaaaah)
21. giglabesh: has posted twice, once to say if they should answer the rqs and once to answer the rqs. nothing to say tbh, not even worth reading as null
22. jacob: hasnt posted too much substantial stuff yet, mostly been general thoughts on events. wanna see more from him, so null for now
23. dad: hasnt posted much except for the long reads posts, but i generally like them even if theyre a bit too much recapping. plus, him actually keeping a doc is a big plus for me, so slight tl
24. fireninja: i thought i had him pinned down as uninvested or bad town then he pulls that big post out. : / i thought he was bad town before and now i think hes just town who hasnt experienced punchy before so slight to moderate tl
25. glow: kinda weird for me tbh, the only thing ive really taken notice of is her suspicion of dad based off of his reads post, which i cant quite understand. null for now since thats all ive seen but id like some more clarification on this
god i hate myself i spent like 2 hrs doing this : ( ill probably update this when it becomes much easier to analyse ppl with the post links but these are my general thoughts for now
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just realised the italics are basically impossible to see amidst the sea of text, live and learn i guess
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just realised day ends in like 16 hrs or smth, we need to start thinking about lynch candidates. my strongest read is antonio but we gain like nothing out of it if its wrong so idk
@Dad, I lumped you in with Tom/Antonio bc just by skimming I didn't really like the posts you guys made so far so I forcibly lumped you into my scumleans, ofc that's changed a bit. Tom I'm null cos I haven't seen much, Antonio is a lynch candidate fmpov, you're probs null town for that post just then anyway.
@Rune, I wasn't piggybacking with the experienced players on saying 'I hate RQS's', I was just mentioning I don't like the specific RQS bc it keeps being reused and I don't really like the who can you read and who can read you question cos idk what to answer so I just made it up tbh.
-I also dislike that she is pleading for Ness to stay in the game but I'm more concerned with some pretty simple issues making her head spin around. The discussion that Dolby and Kayla were involved in is not that difficult to understand and neither is the Punchy vs FireNinja conflict. Seems like a filler post to me.
@Dad Whats wrong with me trying to comfort a friend, i wasn't PLEADING for him to stay in the game Ness and i have a lot of history in these games especially when it comes to getting into heated arguments, so i know how he is feeling about it and i dont want him to feel bad. also when i was saying that the back and forth between Dolby and ILoveYou (Kayla) was making my head spin i didn't literally mean that i was incapable of understanding what they were saying, but serious all their post doesn't seem like scum hunting to me just long winded post about how the game of mafia works, which is fine and dandy for the newer players to understand the game but its not getting us closer to finding scum. Finally i wasn't saying i couldn't comprehend the conflict between Fireninja and Punchy what i was saying is the way they are going about it is annoying to read through. it seems to me that Fireninja may be doing it on purpose for some reason.
Now im gonna try to catch up on the 15-20 pages i have missed while at work. and i am off tomorrow so i will be able to be here EoD thank god, cause I'm sure its gonna be our usual ***** show.
I wanted to wait for players like Tom, Antonio & Katezilla to post something before I made my post but we're running out of time.
Antonio
He has been constantly saying that he will be making posts and then not posting. I think he is relying on the thread exploding from replies for us to forget about him promising to make posts. To add to that, for some reason he chose to call out other players who haven't posted much / yet. The fact that he knew certain people were not active, means that he is keeping up with the thread in some way. So essentially him and Katezilla are keeping up with the thread but not posting quality posts to help us find mafia. I feel like it is a possibility that those two players are trying to hide amongst the sea of quiet players. I agree with Heyden that he would be an ideal lynch candidate. Does anyone know if Antonio has invisible mode on ?
Tom
He hasn't been posting much at all and amongst the few times he did, he only posted to agree with me. Looking back, I think he was using me as a "shield" in the sense that he stood behind my words without making a post on his own opinions. So essentially I think he found a way to try to blend into the crowd as Runeraider, and others, have mentioned. Even when people keep calling him out on it, he hasn't responded. I feel like he needs to be kept an eye on, especially with the way he votes & reason for voting.
Trundle
He is trying way too hard to get in Dolby's good graces. From "clearing" Dolby as definite Town early on ( compared to GhostKid ), to saying he's surprised he isn't getting Town read by him .. I just think that he is trying to "hide" and not have to deal with Dolby. Why would he do that ? Potentially because Dolby is actively scum hunting. The issue is that I haven't played with him in years so I can't read his play style as well as others. You guys seem to be leaning Town on him but I can't shake off the feeling that he's trying to "hide" under Dolby who everyone is getting Town leans on. I would not suggest him for a Day One lynch but I do suggest we keep an eye on him at best.
Katezilla
I've seen her come to read the thread and leave too many times. She's keeping up with the thread but not posting nearly as much. Like I said a few pages ago, I believe she may be taking advantage of there being quite a few silent players, to hide amongst them. Dad brings up a good point:
If you actually think about kate?s post, btw, you will see why it?s a really weird thing to say because it?s one new player wondering if another relatively new player is using some sort of complicated reverse psychology in -trying- to act like bad mafia. But if this is the case then you?d think she would wonder if Punchy is a jester if she knows what a jester is.
Can anyone confirm if this is how Katezilla usually plays ?
On a side note, I'm curious to see if a player like Gagablush, will vote considering what little they did in this thread lols. If they vote, then I feel like something may be going on. It's obvious to me that Antonio and Katezilla will vote because they have been keeping up with the thread ( based on their posts ) but not posting nearly enough. So I'm curious to see who they will vote for and why. I'm leaning towards placing a vote on one of those two ( Antonio or Kate ) for now ( depending on their posts, if they do make any ).
Let me get my suspect pool out and clarified. I will begin with Ness since he is the one I would like to vote for at the moment.
Ness
[*]I still don't like his quick thoughts he had when he was on mobile because they gave me the impression of him trying to get his thoughts out in the open to appear pro-town when in past games he has been unapologetic about that. I also feel like this specific quick thought was odd because it seemed to imply a connection between Tom and Punchy in that their using the same memetic joke was a teammate slip? He used the word funny here, not suspicious, but from what I can tell that is what he means.
just saying punchy is being dumb (I told you to stop, why can't you just respect that?), funny how tom said to lynch me when Punchy has been saying it nonstop like a sheep in discord, FireNinja is a bit hastty with the vote but not sure if he actually voted punchy because mobile, I'm away from a computer right now and pls don't be spamming dummies before I get home
[*]His stances on Punchy have been odd all game. First with that thing in the quote above, then the longer post that Dolby recently broke down, unlike Toads whose pushiness was for reaction, Ness' pushiness in that aforementioned post seemed to either try and paint Punchy as sus or keep attention on Punchy's behavior because he knows it is setting up a mislynch for somebody involved. And the source of the long argument with Toads was Toads wanting Ness to clarify what he was getting at in his reads of Punchy beyond showing the foolishness of his play.
I've never been a big fan of posting reads so early on day 1 because of how easily it is to change, there's not much to organize a case on. At most, I'm townleaning Dolby and iLoveYou I guess?
Not only is that not characteristic of Ness, but he seemed to be eager to get out some quick thoughts early on in the game and felt the need to mention he was on mobile which suggests he was conscious about anyone finding concern with his posts not being in-depth. Also, those townleans are obvious and easy to read into for the most part.
[*]Some smaller points: I don't like the emotion because that argument didn't seem to be the type of thing to break him if he were town because the only time I have seen him get emotional iirc was in BotW when he led a mislynch against Evan who had a power role, and that was a matter of guilt and being wrong, this is a matter of him being called out for clarification of intention. I also don't like how he went after Mog early in the day for worrying somebody will use the beginning of game jokevoting as a means for reverse psychology because that is a valid worry. Not only that, but if you want to suspect somebody over having left-field theories, don't ponder distracting thoughts like FireNinja doing what he was doing because he was reaction testing or more recently suggesting it is a jester gambit. That being said, the jester gambit is less left-field, but the timing was still bad since more people had expressed seeing FN as a potential lynch candidate.
The rest of the pool: katezilla, Ryumia, FireNinja, Evan (very much depending on what FN is), and Oath/Tom if only because people will give them a pass D1 for lackluster activity because it is what they are known for. Tablet is low af on power though and I already accidentally lost some of this stuff once.
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NOOOO THE BULLET POINTS WHY
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I disagree on Trundle at this point after some thinking, Kayla, but yeah I forgot about Antonio. I'd say he's dipping his toes in my scumpool over his hypocritical request for activity from certain players with wholly lackluster contributions to the game when he said it. Also I don't think katezilla has played here before, I am just going on the idea that she is a completely new player to mafia because of her RQS answer.
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I was gonna keep Panda in my scumpool but I like the mentality that comes through in her defense to what I said about her. That being said, you have defended yourself Panda, time for your reads.
Tom you are severely overdue for some semblance of a read.
This is going to sound judgemental because it is judgemental but you come off as much younger than that. Are you just not invested and that's why you don't reflect having read all of the game?
Also how do you know somebody is on invisible here Heyden? Tom is probably able to see that but I can't.
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I just misspelled judgmental twice when telling somebody they aren't acting their age. Wow me.
Well having ASD makes ot hard for me to grasp Social Cues of my peers. leaving me not being able to tell if people here are really acting suspicious or not. Also if you saw ive picked up using memes amd jokes ase a way to communicate with said peers leaving me to seem much younger than i actually am...it also explaims why im struggling to truly learn how to play this game.
This is going to sound judgemental because it is judgemental but you come off as much younger than that. Are you just not invested and that's why you don't reflect having read all of the game?
Also how do you know somebody is on invisible here Heyden? Tom is probably able to see that but I can't.
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I just misspelled judgmental twice when telling somebody they aren't acting their age. Wow me.
Go to their profile and if it says what time they were last online it means they're not on invisible, and if it doesn't say any time then that means they're on invisible.
Well having ASD makes ot hard for me to grasp Social Cues of my peers. leaving me not being able to tell if people here are really acting suspicious or not. Also if you saw ive picked up using memes amd jokes ase a way to communicate with said peers leaving me to seem much younger than i actually am...it also explaims why im struggling to truly learn how to play this game.
Yeah sorry I feel like a jerk and rightfully so. But I was more speaking on posts earlier in the game where you were very happy-go-lucky like a younger teen on the internet. I can't speak for being on the ASD but I know people who are and a lot of people who are on the spectrum may struggle with social perceptions but are stronger in different cognitive areas so I think you should just learn to approach it from whatever angle is comfortable for you. The game may be social first and foremost but it has definitive patterns and so do people's behaviors. Sorry if that sounds like I am talking down to you or something. Just want to make sure you don't take my comment as you not being capable of playing the game.
Go to their profile and if it says what time they were last online it means they're not on invisible, and if it doesn't say any time then that means they're on invisible.
Alright. That being said retracting a statement doesn't change the fact that you felt the need to say it one way or another.
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Someone back and forth with me while I run out of the remaining 6%.
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Since this one is pretty short and to the point I will get it out of the way.
katezilla
The reason I have her in my pool is because when you compare her to the other brand new players she seems off. She has only posted twice and her RQS answers were bare bones and the other post, as I have mentioned earlier, was about her wondering if what Punchy was doing was him trying to make us think he was bad town which would require him to be using reverse psychology but for what reason? Jester is literally the only reason I can think of but again this post also has an air of her trying to just get some thought out there with her ending it with idk:
I do feel a bit guilty for pushing Kate/Antonio bc regardless of whether they're town or not, noobs under pressure tend to mess up and say things that misinterpret, so that's why I'm sort of worried about pushing them because they're easy lynches.
Looking at Tom's posts I really do have this underlying feeling that he's scum but there really isn't much yet. Panda mentioned Tom said something similar as scum by not reading his PM and I do remember that game cos Tom got D1 lynched
(From Attack on Titan Mafia), don't know if it even merely links the fact he could be scum or it's just some line he likes to say every once in a while, but it's an interesting parallel. He said a lot of scummy things which eventually got him lynched so maybe he's trying to lay low to deflect attention off him bc he sort of slips up easily. All his posts so far have been filler/jokes, and somewhat paranoid. Paranoia is weird for Tom considering last game he didn't care to be lynched and REFUSED to claim as vigilante, putting town at a disadvantage. But yeah, paranoid Tom is something to definitely keep in mind.
I realise Tom hasn't been online in over 24 hours so I'm not 100% pinning him down for intentionally avoiding the thread yet, especially since my activity has taken a dip too, so.
I'm unwell again so don't expect 100 posts or whatever. I will posts reads in a bit and who i would like to lynch.
But also @Punchy, YOU LITERALLY HAVE STILL NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION!!! and yet your sussing someone for avoiding your questions. it doesn't quite add up
Who needs to open PMs? 
