Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[N e s s]

I'm still here but I've lost every ounce of motivation I had, I want to replace out but I don't want to screw Tina over with wasting a slot. I'm taking a long break from mafia after this game.

Catching up now.

 

[toadsworthy]

They were very minimal candidates jacob chill. Since you're here though, what are your thoughts? I'll do more work before actually voting

 

[Jacob]

Since you're here though, what are your thoughts?

Thoughts on what

 

[N e s s]

I actually kinda found Ness's post kinda weird because of his alternate attack and defense of Punchy over vastly differing and honestly contradicting points. Moreover, I am also concerned over how he dismisses Fireninja in the whole thing, devoting about a paragraph to saying he's null for voting somebody for no reason.

I said that FireNinja was null because it was similar to the crap he did in Mystic Messenger mafia where he softclaimed jester, he could have been doing the same thing for all I care. FireNinja did not post anything of substance other than "I'm gonna vote punchy", there was nothing to be said. Is that suspicious? Yes, but I felt no need to post anything because everything that could be said was already said by other people. I find him mildly suspicious at this point, but I see him more as some kind of weird 3rd party role. Be honest with yourself; what scum in their right mind would nonchalantly random vote the easiest picking in this game, and then continue to act incredibly aloof in his following posts? Mafia doesn't want to be noticed since they need to fake it until they make it, by randomly voting without ANY reason he is automatically putting himself on the chopping block. He is suspicious, but I don't see what he's doing as mafia.

Frankly, I am actually inclined to agree with Punchy and take Punchy's side on this. Fireninja voted him for no reason. He cited Punchy's vote once, but it was retracted in the same post. Punchy definetely has a right to sus FN over this, and I think that if I was in Punchy's position, I'd do the exact same thing

We were only 4 hours into the game, and Punchy said "pretty sure you're not town". Yeah, Punchy has every right to be suspicious, but don't you think it's a tiny bit better to at least give someone a chance before you drop that hammer?

Pretty much the opposite of what the previous point was. Of note is that Toads was intentionally aggrevating Punchy and even admitted to reaction testing him. I also feel that this was a normal reaction from Punchy

There is no intention of reading town/mafia in that part of the post, I was pointing out something that annoyed me.

I don't like this given the bolded portion.

You should get what I meant by that of all people in this game. Trying to explain that is like talking to a brick wall.

 

[glow]

fire doesn't seem like he cares enough to be mafia but maybe that's just me

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i still sr dad asf lol

 

[toadsworthy]

Thoughts on what

On this game of mafia we are currently playing.... who would you vote for, town reads anything

 

[Ghostkid]

I said that FireNinja was null because it was similar to the crap he did in Mystic Messenger mafia where he softclaimed jester, he could have been doing the same thing for all I care. FireNinja did not post anything of substance other than "I'm gonna vote punchy", there was nothing to be said. Is that suspicious? Yes, but I felt no need to post anything because everything that could be said was already said by other people. I find him mildly suspicious at this point, but I see him more as some kind of weird 3rd party role. Be honest with yourself; what scum in their right mind would nonchalantly random vote the easiest picking in this game, and then continue to act incredibly aloof in his following posts? Mafia doesn't want to be noticed since they need to fake it until they make it, by randomly voting without ANY reason he is automatically putting himself on the chopping block. He is suspicious, but I don't see what he's doing as mafia.

Do you think he could actually be a jester this time?

 

[N e s s]

Do you think he could actually be a jester this time?

I do consider it a possibility.

 

[Ghostkid]

I do consider it a possibility.

It fits your description all right.. third party...trying to put himself on the chopping block. I might reconsider him being mafia...but for now ill put him at a null/3rd party category.

 

[Jacob]

On this game of mafia we are currently playing.... who would you vote for, town reads anything

Oh lol I already did, my most recent thoughts were on the same post as my first one directed to you. Nothing really has changed beyond that. and earlier I've concluded GhostKid and FN are most likely town.

 

[toadsworthy]

You mentioned me, kammm and ILY. What about the others, update on punchy or ness?

 

[Kamzitty]

Saying we are going under the radar as your basis for a lynch candidate this early in the game is a heavy claim and I?m interested in seeing what other evidence you have. Dad?s reads? Those went under your radar? More accurately, you were preoccupied, and are just throwing out names of posts you didn't read.



This is one of the more interesting posts in the game currently in my opinion. Rather than bringing up a scummy candidate, Kammm suggested a priority type lynch like iLoveYou did, and argued for, like the majority of this day.
I tried looking back through Kammms posts, but I?m kind of lost because I skimmed most of the debate. Was Kammm one of the players who criticized ILY for her lynch thoughts? For the people who DID criticize ILY for them, what are your thoughts on Kammms suggestion of FN for being distracting rather than scummy?

I wasn't one of the people to criticize her lynch thoughts. I do think she had some good points, but overall I believe it's better to wait until later on in the game before lynching someone due to reasons other than coming off as scummy. Early on in the game there are too many people who fit the quota of ILY's lynching strategy, like being inactive or not contributing enough. Later on in the game, if no red flags arise, I think then would be a good time to consider inactives and people who seem to be laying low for lynch.
my response to toad's question wasn't all that serious..he didn't give me time to assess other players and really think of a good choice lol so I just said who came to mind first. We still have until tomorrow to decide who to lynch, so I don't really think FN is a good option unless he begins showing real scummy signs.

 

[iLoveYou]

I'm waiting till after school before officially make statements about people. I want to see what happens.

You keep promising posts but never deliver. Why wait to see what happens instead of trying to help us by providing your opinions ?
By doing this you're forcing everyone else to make a decision on who should be lynched while you get to come in at the end and vote.

 

[FireNinja1]

I'm really tired, nevertheless I did say earlier that I would talk about Ryu.

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I found out through Discord that thread was locked for sometime. Vanessa said that it was only locked for like maybe two hours. But... I'm glad the game is back on again.

I always thought that the entire purpose would be achieving the wincon of the role one has.

Like:

- Mafia's objective to rid of Town.
- Town's objective to rid of any role that threatens Town.
- With any third party... It just varies.

And things you mentioned were just simply mechanics that one could use to do so.

Would that game be Kingmaker? The one where Ness hosted. I remembered that Tom was a vigilante in that game.

I do understand your dilemma of not wanting players who do "nothing" getting to the end. But... Whether or not it would be considered so just seems subjective to me. The whole going after the inactives is one tactic to use I suppose, but I would rather not be heavily reliant on that in the game. I rather keep in mind of other things as well.

I think you should give it some time. It's not always easy to jump in when playing the game. Just basing this off from the experience I had while playing mafia. It's easy to feel out place when you aren't sure of what to do.

Most of my problems with this post is that it's utterly contentless. There's no attempt to advance an opinion anywhere, it's just responding to a few posts and not taking specific stances on any of them. (e.g. it's obvious that there are other tactics than chasing after inactives, but Ryu doesn't exactly say what we should do instead of chasing after inactives.)

Okay. That's good to hear at least. I'm still trying to get the hang of things at the moment.

Your idea isn't necessarily bad either. I mean... It's like you said. There could be a possibility that a mafia member could be hiding under the radar. So it is something to keep in mind, but not it's something I want to hold on too much.

Same problem as above. It's very obviously true that scum could fly under the radar, happens every game. The problem is that there isn't any advance as to who is necessarily flying under the radar and even if there was nobody, who would be most likely to try that. It's completely stripped of any actual stance-taking, just saying "well X and Y are, in general, possible scenarios", but then there's nothing between scenarios X and Y and this game. Even if this wasn't bad enough, the next two quotes prove this further.

Is FireNinja like the number one candidate to go after though?

Oh... Okay then. Appreciate your feedback on that.

With the ideology of the RQS between Dolby and iLoveYou... I'm not sure of what to think of it if I had to be honest. Perhaps it was fabricated or something? It's something I kept in mind while the game was going, but not something I want to hold down so much. The same goes with the whole Ness and Toad's thing that happened too. Mafia is a game of manipulation after all. I think it's just better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

If others have problems with others taking neutral stances then those people are going to have to try harder to convinces other who do take them not to do so. I mean... Impressions and opinions are hard to change sometimes.

1. I don't know why you're asking who the top lynch candidate is and it really sounds like scum trying to get a feel of general consensus. This would be more understandable if you actually advanced an opinion regarding the game, but you haven't, so this looks really bad.
2. I also don't get why you're focusing on the RQS philosophy and the Ness spat. Both of those are incidents that basically aren't relevant to scumhunting.
3. This last sentence is troubling. It's not up to us to change your opinion, you need to put in the work to change your own mind and make your own decisions. If you find yourself truly and utterly neutral on a topic that's fine, but I don't believe that you actually take 2 neutral stances on 2 different issues and then have nothing else to say.

Mhm... I see. I'm assuming this has to do with FireNinja's vote on Punchy.

The above was his supposed reasoning on why they voted on Punchy for a lynch. Only thing I like about is that it seems like FireNinja isn't easily swayed by other people based on how they responded about their vote on Punchy. That's the only reason I would want to have them around is because of that.

It's a potential possibility is all I have to say.

I also don't know why you quote me and then say "FN isn't easily swayed" but then you backpedal a ton and go "that's the only reason" and "it's a potential possibility, that's all"--it feels artificial (especially since both of the forces pulling toward town and scum are objectively weak, and then also you just saying "that's the only reason" and "it's a potential possibility" confuses me especially because you don't express what specifically is holding you back)

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Also, I'm tired as heck, if there's something that sounds weird or just straight up doesn't make sense post it and I'll clarify in the morning.

As for conclusion, I would not be opposed to a Ryu lynch. This is the only person that I've run through the filter, which is why I'm hesitant to make a bolder claim at this time--if you want me to look at certain players let me know.

 

[Jacob]

You mentioned me, kammm and ILY. What about the others, update on punchy or ness?

No updates really, I don't think I've seen any tells from any of those players. Punchy is beginning to annoy me a little bit tho lol but its also kinda funny

my response to toad's question wasn't all that serious..he didn't give me time to assess other players and really think of a good choice lol so I just said who came to mind first. We still have until tomorrow to decide who to lynch, so I don't really think FN is a good option unless he begins showing real scummy signs.

Right, I'm more concerned about other people's opinions on what you said (Specifically the ILY criticizers) rather than what you actually said, so that's why I brought your post up

I feel like I'm repeating myself now so I'm gonna take a nap guy

 

[Ghostkid]

Im going to bed. I feel like im geting the hang of this game...maybe

 

[FireNinja1]

Honestly that's the most scummy thing anyone's done. Voting you.

Okay.

Fireninja what were you're most recent games? Carnival? People should really go read it

Trouble in Alola, I think.

FN's awaited response to accusations was honestly a let down and his so called "defenses" were half-a**ed. He brushed off all accusations by saying things like "this is false" or "not true" which don't seem like valid defenses imo. Does anybody else find this odd? I'm unsure if these are an indication of scum tho, because like I said earlier it seems to be WAY too obvious ;/

"All accusations"?

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Also, I'm off for the evening. Good night.

 

[Ghostkid]

Oh yeah im gonna leave the browser open so i can quickly check this in the morning...ok good night everyone.

 

[Dolby]

Skimmed Notes: Just gonna say that if Kamm is scum that's gonna be REALLY revealing to who's town and even her mafia teammates. Also, I have more than a few team compositions as of right now that I want to look into. Anyway, it's ya boi, arogant *******, back at it again to try to pick the whole scum team D1

Now let's complete a preliminary list, I'm gonna call it the "where the **** list" of people who I expect to have posted more by now
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There's simply to many people who fit this bill. 2/3rds of the threads total activity has come from 6 people, and many need to step up their game. So instead, I'm going to go down the list of people in the game and try to make a comment on everything that they've said. I'm going to attempt to put everybody on one side of the aisle or the other

Still need post links Tina. I can't make them this game

Locket

The Ness v Toads thing that happened feels like Town v Town to me. Though, Ness breaking like that is pretty strange.

FN is pretty weird in his posts. He refuses to elaborate a lot. He doesn't have a lot of good contributions so far.

I'll add more later but I've had a long couple of days so I'm gonna rest a bit.

Thinks that Ness v Toads is town v town. I personally think that this is very possible, but really I want more elaboration
"FN is weird"-I'm going to keep this as a repository of who's said what on FN/Punchy. IF this turns out to be scum v town, people's opinions on this can be very useful to scumhunt in the future. Basically on Punchy's side here

Let's move on for now, but keep them both in mind.

I don't like the general vibe I'm getting from Locket's post. This seems like a easy post to try to gain towncred. Definetely to early to tell though, given how little has been said. However, Locket's comments really seem to be somewhat different for her in comparison to APM and Murder of whatever. I personally feel then that she was more focused on scumhunting

The rest of her posts are kinda useless tbh in terms of scumhunting. I do think I've found a possible tell which may become useful for my read on her later on in the day (not gonna state it yet), however, reading back into APM, she really didn't have this much filler. Her posts were more content and scumhunting related, and never urged anybody to drop anybody.

Slight SR

Punchy
I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going through all of this. Here's what I have to say on this
Punchy is almost certainly not teamed with Fireninja
Tbh, independent of my own thoughts on Fireninja at this point, I really feel that Punchy would attempt to lay low as scum. Last game and the game before clearly would have established in his mind that prominence was a danger (being lynched D2 after changing his playstyle to be more active).

Why do I get the feeling that Dolby might be trying to get on my good side?

Also don't think that he's advanced enough to say this about one of the guys defending him

Many people are probably going to disagree with this, but I have to TL Punchy

Trundle
Ok, gonna still hold the point against him that I think that he was trying to pocket me early game

It's also been less than an hour since the game started. It's possible that 1) he isn't listening 2) he hasn't read mafia chat and many other things. Not that I think he's mafia, but it's not smart to rule it out so fast.

Trundle/Ghost are not a team. Trundle does not go out of his way to dismiss a purported townslip from his teammate

Him clutching close to me honestly seems like a town move from him in retrospect. Back in Kingmaker he did, same in Aloha, while in SU2 (as scum) he intentionally set himself against me to make me appear as scum in the scum v town that he planned to have follow.

I assumed you were going to say that, but here is my "D1 first few hours" reads:

Tom - Mafia
toads - Posting seems weird but it always does and I got to observe his scum style quite closely in my game. I'm thinking town (even though his post ("*obligatory post about stupidly early read*") is the reason I mentioned the red flags.
Punchy - Possible mafia
Dolby - Town
Ghostkid - Probably town

I'm getting a town read from iLoveYou but I haven't played with her in literally years and she also tricked me super hardcore in my first mafia game ever, I wouldn't call anything too confident out on her so hopefully votes/actions can reveal something.

FireNinja is probably town, just being some kind of edgelord for the sake of it.

The whole "why u voting this why u voting that" is super off-topic and is already causing town to lose focus. If you're town and taking part in this conversation just drop it because it's derailing the little good conversation we have so far.

I actually really like his Toads read because it feels really genuine. Personally, I feel that his early confidence feels town-indicative (if he's maf, he's bussing half his team at this point probably, knowing him)

Notably sides with FN. I really like this. Trundle loves to bus, and I kinda don't think that Punchy is the scum between them if it is scum v town. As mafia, I feel that he would follow the path of least resistance and continue to go after FN because it is easily justified if they were town v town. In the town v scum, if Punchy is scum, this is very easily towncred for him, and also falls into his meta, but if one of them is scum, while I'm writing this, I don't believe it's Punchy.

Kammm is easily town in my eyes

I know that I've said that I like Trundle's early confidence. This I don't like though. Kammm's probably done more than all of the extremely new players, but really hasn't done anything to warrent a strong TR imo. And I've seen a lot of people pushing that idea.

Overall, I feel that I'm town reading Trundle

Runeraider
I really don't have anything for him, but where's the strong town Rune we saw last game? He hasn't really taken that I would call definitive, except for lowkey siding with Punchy. I don't really have a choice but to slot him in null

This is taking far to ****ing long

Kammm
For noobs, the tactic for reading them that I like most is to see which people they elevate in their reads.

I just went through his posts and he hasn't really posted anything substantial, and his punchy vote seems really random? FN seems v fishy but I also feel like that's too obvious as mafia, would he really vote somebody right away without explanation if he was trying to lay low?

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The whole "we aren't a team" was random to me as well, I don't see why FN would feel the need to say that as nobody had even considered the fact that they were a team. I agree with punchy, FN is either playing bad town or bad scum lol. Not quite sure who a jester is tho?

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

What triggered a "gut feeling" that Tom is mafia? I've seen a few other people say he's possible scum as well, but I think we need more posts from him before we can start saying he's sus.

Noting this for future reference

FN's awaited response to accusations was honestly a let down and his so called "defenses" were half-a**ed. He brushed off all accusations by saying things like "this is false" or "not true" which don't seem like valid defenses imo. Does anybody else find this odd? I'm unsure if these are an indication of scum tho, because like I said earlier it seems to be WAY too obvious ;/

This is kinda weird

Ok, I'm giving up on this. I'm to tired and this is taking to long

Townleans
Iloveyou
Trundle
Toads
Jacob

Lesser TLs
Punchy

I don't really have any confident scumreads. There's just to many inactives. Even people like Tom and Dad haven't done much, and really, there isn't anything that I'm confident in because of it

 

[Heyden]

I hate day 1 analysing bc there's barely anything to go off so I'm a bit unmotivated, but Antonio's sort of stuck out to me so far.

People who haven't posted:

1. oath2order
2. locket
3. amazonevan19
4. Dedenne2

whoop

Don't really like this post at all. It feels like he's attempting to look like he's participating in the game when in reality, it's just a diversion towards those 4 people, or just plain filler. I think Rune did something similar as scum in American Politics.

I'm waiting till after school before officially make statements about people. I want to see what happens.

2nd time he's postponed any form of opinion so far in the game. Looking at his first game, he was very actively involved in as town just asking random questions and saying whatever was on his mind. Right now he feels a bit restrictive of what he's saying, holding back from blurting out things at every moment which seemed apparent in his first game.

Today's lynch if I'm gonna be honest I don't really care who's lynched. Punchy/Ghost are most likely town and major distractions that'll be left to the end bc they'll 99% vote wrong which is worrying but not much can be done. I do feel there's scum between Kate and Antonio. As much as it seems like I'm picking on noobs, these people haven't been very helpful. I'd put Panda/Gigablesh in there too to be fair. Kammm's new too but she's playing rather well, and I townread her anyway.

On the topic of Kate;

Punchy is acting rly dumb but maybe hes doing that on purpose to make us think hes a bad mafia idk

'Punchy is acting dumb on purpose to make us think he's a bad mafia'. I've read this quote like 10 times and it's very awkwardly phrased to say the least, don't know what the heck she's saying. Looking at her other posts she hasn't really said much either, and is sort of going with the flow reminding me of my first game where I was scum as well.

Very messy post maybe bc I feel a bit detached from the game idk why